Ashes to Ashes Dust to Dust.
Like sands in the hourglass so these are the days of our lives

and you think I make this shit up...

can your airplane do this?

Category 2 hurricane Erin was traveling up the Eastern coastline and then magically pauses just offshore from New York City only hours before the terrorism becomes obvious to us all and the first tower explodes. Erin's Northerly movement entirely ceased, the cyclone sits and spins in the same place over the ocean for the entire duration of the attack. In fact Erin somehow gains power, magically developing into a category 3 hurricane the entire time while waiting for the final building collapse like some "disaster-off". It's great eye staring out in astonishment at the extremely selective places where individual buildings were falling neatly into their own footprints. I can only help but be reminded of how far less discriminate hurricane damage is, such as the swampy, otherworld contaminated mess that Katrina transformed places like New Orleans and Biloxi, or that hurricane Erin might imagine the nearby terrorist disaster to be artificial and sanitary, which in fact it was.

The relationship between 9/11, the Hutchison Effect, Field Effects and data regarding Hurricane and Weather Modification is introduced. No firm conclusions are drawn, data is merely presented to illustrate where highly significant common themes and patterns seem to be present. For example, a short comparison is drawn between some of the effects seen with the materials in collision (caused by the effects of Tornados and hurricanes) with the anomalous changes in materials seen with Hutchison Effect. Apparent levitation effects seen in some instances are also highlighted.

The development of "super cell" storms is examined and a comparison of their structure to that of a Tesla Coil (used to create high voltage electrical discharges) is considered. The possibility is suggested that the electrical properties of large storm systems may have some similarities to those of Tesla coils and that there is a possibility that technology exists to utilise or manipulate the energy in these storm systems for "secondary" purposes.

One of the most striking pieces of the data presented is that from a set of magnetometers monitored by the University of Alaska. Several instruments show significant deviations from "background" or "normal" readings as the events of 9/11 were unfolding. A further selection of this data is presented in relation to variations during the hurricane seasons of 2001, 2004 and 2005.

A later part of the study examines some of the data relating to patterns of earthquakes in 2008 and possibly associated unusual weather patterns, which may be related to secret or partially disclosed environmental modification technology (such as HAARP). However, the study does not establish any clear links between HAARP and the events in New York on 9/11.

Get With the Program (or else)!

Hey if Israel says 911 was insigated by the A-Rabs then thats the final "Authority" on it...especially for the US Govt!!!

"help me fucking understand how kerosene fuel pulverizes a building to dust. or is that an unfair question?"

Yes, actually it is a highly illogical question of the type conspiracy theorists love to throw out there in a dishonest attempt to make the truth sound more ludicrous than the delusions they choose to believe.

Nobody has ever claimed even one chunk of the WTC was pulverized by the fire. You are making that up.

See, there is something called gravity. Might want to Google it. Gravity was putting tremendous stresses on that building for the entire time it existed and the support structure of that building was keeping those forces from bringing it all down. When the fire weekened the building, gravity was able to take over and bring the building down, crush pieces of it to dust, etc.

BTW - The people you see falling out of the building in the WTC videos are not being propelled by fire. So don't ask how a kerosene fire makes people accelerate towards the ground at 9.8 m/s^2 . That was gravity too.

BUT BUILDING PULVERIZED TO DUST?!?!?!? help me fucking understand how kerosene fuel pulverizes a building to dust. or is that an unfair question?

It doesn't. I suppose you think gasoline makes some cars crumple up, too.

re: help me fucking understand how kerosene fuel pulverizes a building to dust. or is that an unfair question?

Posted by AuntieSocial at 03:22 PM

No, it's just a stupid question. For starters, how much drywall and acoustic ceiling tile do you suppose was in the WTC? What do you suppose happens to that when a multi-level building collapses under the force of gravity?

Gravity will not shear a steel colum off at a 45 degree angle. Gravity also will not keep a puddle of molten steel hot for a month. And kerosene (or jet fuel) will heat-weaken steel to the point of failure, if it's under load, but it will not melt it. Any explanations of how you end up with puddles of molten steel after the collapse? Didn't think so.

Gravity will also not make explosions go off just seconds before the bulding starts collapsing.

Only well placed thermite charges will do that.

"re: help me fucking understand how kerosene fuel pulverizes a building to dust. or is that an unfair question?
Posted by AuntieSocial at 03:22 PM"

No, it's just a stupid question. For starters, how much drywall and acoustic ceiling tile do you suppose was in the WTC? What do you suppose happens to that when a multi-level building collapses under the force of gravity?
#10 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-15 12:38 PM

Oh, so that massive wave of dust must be quite commonplace to building collapse.

Can you provide any images or footage of this pyroclastic flow from other collapsing buildings?

What about non-demolished buildings? Does it ever occur then?

And kerosene (or jet fuel) will heat-weaken steel to the point of failure, if it's under load, but it will not melt it....Only well placed thermite charges will do that.

Gosh. How did people in the way-back make steel swords AND time machines?

Oh, so that massive wave of dust must be quite commonplace to building collapse. Can you provide any images or footage of this pyroclastic flow from other collapsing buildings?

Actually, since you're the one suggesting that a massive wave of dust is not common when a building collapses, the onus would be on you to prove it. Nevertheless, there is plenty of evidence that building collapses result in dust clouds.

Only a dumbshit truther would think that a 110-story building full of drywall, paint and concrete could collapse and not produce a big dust cloud. You people are beyond stupid.

"Only a dumbshit truther would think that a 110-story building full of drywall, paint and concrete could collapse and not produce a big dust cloud. You people are beyond stupid."

Seriously. They also apparently believe that the WTC was a big building full of kerosene and nothing else was burning in there. Also steel is the only metal on the planet so any layman's description of seeing molten metal at the WTC site has to be a confirmed sighting of molten steel. Also, thermite doesn't burn out quickly but rather smolders for days after it is ignited.

Guys, look at the collection of retards that buy in to the 911 Conspiracy.

Liphemroidal? Fucking loser.
Redreder? Fucking flaming nutcase.
Antiesocial? Fucking retarded
AntiCaddy? Seriously, that fool makes Axe, Redneckville, and Skidmark come across as mildly retarded.

All they're missing is a Celisary, woke, and furryhole.

RobtheAhole was right. You fruitcakes are rebelling against daddy.

"All they're missing is a Celisary, woke, and furryhole"

Don't forget Ringmaster.

"Gravity will not shear a steel colum off at a 45 degree angle. Gravity also will not keep a puddle of molten steel hot for a month. And kerosene (or jet fuel) will heat-weaken steel to the point of failure, if it's under load, but it will not melt it. Any explanations of how you end up with puddles of molten steel after the collapse? Didn't think so."

I was answering the question about pulverized concrete when I brought up gravity. Why are "Truthers" always so intellectually dishonest? There was all different metal at the WTC site and the pools of molten metal described by witnesses is believed to be aluminum.

Thermite does burns out quickly, it wouldn't burn at high temps (or any temp) for a month by the way.

"Gravity will also not make explosions go off just seconds before the bulding starts collapsing.

Only well placed thermite charges will do that."

The only evidence of explosions on 9/11 comes from eyewitnesses who were terrified and trying to explain stuff that had never experienced before. So they said they heard "explosions". Any large heavy object crashing to the ground sounds like an explosion.

Guys, look at the collection of retards that buy in to the 911 Conspiracy.
Liphemroidal? Fucking loser.
Redreder? Fucking flaming nutcase.
Antiesocial? Fucking retarded
AntiCaddy? Seriously, that fool makes Axe, Redneckville, and Skidmark come across as mildly retarded.
All they're missing is a Celisary, woke, and furryhole.
RobtheAhole was right. You fruitcakes are rebelling against daddy.
#17 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-02-15 01:50 PM

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I'm sorry, I meant for that sign to be hung around any available slough of skin that you posses, not assuming you have even one nut, let alone a pair! Your giant parasite-laden bulbs should work, so long as your sign is not made from a heavy wood or metal thus releasing your progeny and into the orifice of unsuspecting "customers". Sorry for the confusion.:]

"Oh, so that massive wave of dust must be quite commonplace to building collapse. Can you provide any images or footage of this pyroclastic flow from other collapsing buildings?"

Actually, since you're the one suggesting that a massive wave of dust is not common when a building collapses, the onus would be on you to prove it. Nevertheless, there is plenty of evidence that building collapses result in dust clouds.
A building on Reade Street between Church and Broadway streets collapsed this morning, ripping almost clear apart from the building next door. Following the collapse, the street and sidewalks, as well as all vehicles parked nearby, were covered in dust.
www.maacenter.org

There is no cause listed as of yet. Nobody knows what caused this because there was no evidence to conclude that it WAS NOT A DEMOLITION. Plus, it's such a small footprint - and that fine dust covers everything. If a molecular de-cohesion weapon were being used this might account for such fine particulates. Explosives qualify. I wonder what other similarities to 911 this particular collapse has to thermal imaging and HAARP activity days prior?

It appears to be a crapped-out old building, which doesn't surprise me that it could collapse, but I leave open the idea that it was deliberately demolished, particularly as there is no data to confirm or deny this instance.

A portion of Kenny's Tile building collapsed and injured three workers. The collapse dispersed thick dust and debris into the air.
www.justicenewsflash.com

Again, no conclusions since the forensics hasn't even been completed. Plus, this one has no images for comparison. "The collapse dispersed thick dust and debris into the air" tells us nothing about the actual area of effect. Sloppy, but I'll include this instance for comparison - there are a number of 2009 building collapses that never make the national news.. Interesting.

Witnesses said moments before a four-story Clinton Hill building collapsed in late June, the structure began to shake ominously, shedding bricks and sending up a plume of dust.
knowledgebase.findlaw.com
#14 | Posted by JOE at 2010-02-15 01:29 PM

Witnesses said moments before a four-story Clinton Hill building collapsed in late June, the structure began to shake ominously, shedding bricks and sending up a plume of dust.

One witness said the Myrtle Avenue building "just folded" moments after occupants fled onto the street. Four people were treated for minor injuries in the collapse that left more than a dozen people homeless.

The building next door sustained serious damage. A city councilmember at the scene told reporters that she expected the adjoining building would be condemned as a result of the damage to it.

Otherwise, none of these really have the video to compare - so you need to try again. Look for existing building disasters and show me ANY evidence of flow from anything other than demolition. You won't find it, because this particular particle wave is initiated with explosives which pulverize key structural components. Squibs always show dust spitting through windows at high speed. Dust that was cement a moment prior. So find any evidence that indicates squibs are not required for pyroclastic flow, then we can compare them further.

no evidence to conclude that it WAS NOT A DEMOLITION

There is no evidence to prove it was not an alien disintegration ray, either.

Or a rampaging herd of flying pigs.

"no evidence to conclude that it WAS NOT A DEMOLITION"

Except all the evidence that points to a terror attack using airplanes, of which there is quite a bit. Other than that..... well you're still a fool.

Except all the evidence that points to a terror attack using airplanes, of which there is quite a bit. Other than that..... well you're still a fool.

#24 | Posted by Sully at 2010-02-15 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag

That airplanes hit is obvious, and given. What other evidence do you claim? Osamas confession years later? The 911 commission report that even they claim is mostly bullshit?

How about the evidence you simply ignore. Like the fact that there were explosions in the basement before the first plane hit? Like the fact that there were multiple explosions heard after the planes hit? Like you can see explosions traveling up the sides of WTC 7 just before it fell? Like the molten steel seen weeks after the event? And more--lots more. But let's hear your evidence.

"no evidence to conclude that it WAS NOT A DEMOLITION"

Except all the evidence that points to a terror attack using airplanes, of which there is quite a bit. Other than that..... well you're still a fool.
#24 | Posted by Sully at 2010-02-15 06:51 PM

Oh, each of those was relating to three different building collapse, not to 911.

Just so you know.

As for the 757 theory - show me the parts at the Pentagon. Show me something other than one fucking wheel and some thin aluminum that doesn't even fit the paint job. Prove to me Shanksville also had a commercial jet impact. There is none. Cadaver dogs do not lie.

If a molecular de-cohesion weapon were being used this might account for such fine particulates.

Yeah, I'm sure someone was using a "molecular de-cohesion weapon" on an abandoned 1890s building in Tribeca. Either way, you've changed the goalposts. You asked whether other building collapses produce dust clouds, and after I produce examples of that, you're predictably unsatisfied.

I showed you dust, and you don't like my dust. Now it's your turn: Since you're the one suggesting that building collapses should not produce dust, produce an example of a building collapsing without producing dust.

I have to repeat this because it is so laughably true - there is no group of people out there so pathetically delusional as the truthers, who would even consider arguing that the collapse of a 110-story building full of drywall, paint and concrete should not have produced a big dust cloud.

"If a molecular de-cohesion weapon were being used this might account for such fine particulates."

Yeah, I'm sure someone was using a "molecular de-cohesion weapon" on an abandoned 1890s building in Tribeca. Either way, you've changed the goalposts. You asked whether other building collapses produce dust clouds, and after I produce examples of that, you're predictably unsatisfied.
I showed you dust, and you don't like my dust. Now it's your turn: Since you're the one suggesting that building collapses should not produce dust, produce an example of a building collapsing without producing dust.
#27 | Posted by JOE at 2010-02-16 12:19 AM

Then tell me what the official report states caused the collapse? The article does not indicate this data exists. You can't ignore that it's possibly a demolition. Other than the WTC's we don't have video of the any of your examples "clouds".

I have to repeat this because it is so laughably true - there is no group of people out there so pathetically delusional as the truthers, who would even consider arguing that the collapse of a 110-story building full of drywall, paint and concrete should not have produced a big dust cloud.
#28 | Posted by JOE at 2010-02-16 12:20 AM

There are lots of witnesses who claim explosions and squibs were firing from within the WTC's. This follows the videos which appear to also show squibs being fired and puffs of pulverized cement indicate they are being fired a few levels below the collapse. Also, the collapse itself is pretty consistent with free-fall = highly unlikely without something pulverizing the material inside.

There are lots of witnesses who claim explosions and squibs were firing from within the WTC's. This follows the videos which appear to also show squibs being fired and puffs of pulverized cement indicate they are being fired a few levels below the collapse. Also, the collapse itself is pretty consistent with free-fall = highly unlikely without something pulverizing the material inside.

#29 | Posted by redlightrobot

What union members from the Teamsters were part of this massive 9/11 conspiracy. There is no way you could have unloaded trucks at the WTC without Teamster involvement. Please tell me about the security guards making $15 an hour that were involved. Those people were everywhere in those buildings. They were rather annoying

"That airplanes hit is obvious, and given. What other evidence do you claim?"

The plane hit. There was a fire. The building fell down. We all saw this. I saw it happen live. I know people who were in those buildings. There is no evidence of any other type of attack that day. Just how obtuse are you willing to portray yourself as being?

"There are lots of witnesses who claim explosions and squibs were firing from within the WTC's. This follows the videos which appear to also show squibs being fired and puffs of pulverized cement indicate they are being fired a few levels below the collapse. Also, the collapse itself is pretty consistent with free-fall = highly unlikely without something pulverizing the material inside."

I've seen the "squib" videos. It is just the building buckling and coming apart.

Do you really think that people showed up for work that morning and didn't notice the building had been prepared for demolition? These imaginary squibs you are talking about would be in parts of the building where thousands of people would have had to have seen them. Nobody noticed miles of wire running through their offices? None of this shit was recovered in the rubble (or are thousands of volunteer clean up workers in on it too, LOL)?

Its alot easier to believe a building fell straight down than to believe the crap you are peddling.

ody noticed miles of wire running through their offices?

Or nobody noticed people running around the building putting wires up? I have run a lot of telephone wire in buildings and still run cable on the rig. It is very disruptive. You have to remov ceiling tiles to access the plenum, removed wall covers, usually move people's desks/furniture/cubicles. Running wire, especially miles of it that would be needed for a controlled demoltion would be noticed ( and cursed by!) hundreds -- probably thousands -- of people.

Oooh - the big bad troll is being mean!!! Naaahahah!! I'm running around in terrified circles, perhaps I'll pass out from laughter/vomit or the hypnotic "fucking flaming nutcase" mantra that I want to print pajamas with. You've got a real pretty projectile pucker.. Just hang an "kissing booth" sign around your nuts and you'd be just as capable as the other amputee whores you compete with. Think "I am handy-capable"!

#20 | Posted by redlightrobot

Jesus tap dancing Christ. Take your fucking medication.

There's always a simple explanation for this.

It was Bush's fault!

"That airplanes hit is obvious, and given. What other evidence do you claim?"

The plane hit. There was a fire. The building fell down. We all saw this. I saw it happen live. I know people who were in those buildings. There is no evidence of any other type of attack that day. Just how obtuse are you willing to portray yourself as being?

"There are lots of witnesses who claim explosions and squibs were firing from within the WTC's. This follows the videos which appear to also show squibs being fired and puffs of pulverized cement indicate they are being fired a few levels below the collapse. Also, the collapse itself is pretty consistent with free-fall = highly unlikely without something pulverizing the material inside."

I've seen the "squib" videos. It is just the building buckling and coming apart.
Do you really think that people showed up for work that morning and didn't notice the building had been prepared for demolition? These imaginary squibs you are talking about would be in parts of the building where thousands of people would have had to have seen them. Nobody noticed miles of wire running through their offices? None of this shit was recovered in the rubble (or are thousands of volunteer clean up workers in on it too, LOL)?
Its alot easier to believe a building fell straight down than to believe the crap you are peddling.
#31 | Posted by Sully at 2010-02-16 01:30 PM

I peddle nothing and never will.

As for the squibs - they are there on video, exactly like other video of demolition. Precisely the same effect as demolition. End result - demolition.

From what I understand the supporting columns would have been "rigged" with explosive at key locations. If this process is now activated wirelessly that might easily explain the lack thereof.

Remember, Rabbi Dov Zakheim's personal, "legally-pedaled" business is installing remote controls on 757's, but he also acts as Rumsfelds #2 at the Pentagon at the time of the attack and through whom, it is alleged, vast sums of money are filtered into Israel. Rumsfeld did state on 9/10 there would be "consequences" from that 2.3 trillion investigation.
The next day is 9/11.
The total theft at the time was closer to 6 trillion.
Third-party investigations have been ignored.
BushCo performed their own "investigation".
Nothing has been recovered.
"Domino" result - invasion of Middle East and oil takeover.

Just to clarify who this character Zakheim is all about: System Planning Corporation designs, manufactures and distributes highly sophisticated technology that enables an operator to fly by remote control as many as eight different airborne vehicles at the same time from one position either on the ground or airborne. For those looking for an extraordinarily interesting hobby, please see photos and specs of this hardware (about the size of a small refrigerator)at www.sysplan.com/Radar/CTS Just be sure your mom doesn't catch you causing havoc with the airlines.

Also, System Planning Corporation markets the technology to take over the controls of an airborne vehicle already in flight. For example, the Flight Termination System technology could hijack hijackers and bring the plane down safely. The Flight Termination System can be used in conjunction with the CTS technology that can control up to 8 airborne vehicles simultaneously. see www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS Unfortunately, these systems as of yet are not able to prevent lyrics such as "When you get caught between the moon and New York City"!

The possibility of nefarious use of these brilliant technologies developed and deployed by Systems Planning Corporation certainly deserves careful consideration in any full and impartial investigation of what actually took place on 9/11.

In the context of 9/11 it also needs to be pointed out that Rabbi Dov Zakheim was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President George W. Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon. Not long before Rabbi Zakheim rose to power over the Pentagon's labyrinthine, bottomless accounts, he co-authored an article entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"!