Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Sunday, February 14, 2010

Politico: Former Vice President Cheney will appear on ABC's This Week on Sunday, and it's a safe bet what he will say: President Barack Obama projects weakness to terrorists and puts American lives at risk. It's the kind of brutal charge -- nuance-free and politically explosive -- that has become a Cheney specialty since he left office 13 months ago. "Cheney's unprecedentedly aggressive approach ... reflects his own knowledge that he has committed war crimes of a very grave sort," Andrew Sullivan said. "War crimes that at some point could lead to prosecution and will undoubtedly lead to historical infamy."

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Fuck Cheney, He is a sick old man that will probably croak during Obama's presidency anyways. Obama can go piss on his grave then.

DICK CHENEY IS A FUCKING WAR CRIMINAL, THE QUESTION SHOULD BE "WHY SHOULD WE CARE WHAT THIS FUCK HAS TO SAY"?????????

The only time I want to hear from this ASSHOLE WAR CRIMINAL IS AT HIS TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES!!!!!!

There were Americans who called Thomas Jefferson a criminal for sending the Marines halfway around the world

egg-xactly. Why doesn't Darth answer for his own actions first.

Why were Bush and Cheney afraid to testify separately under oath about 9/11?

not rocket science.

ASSHOLE WAR CRIMINAL IS AT HIS TRIAL FOR WAR CRIMES

Never going to happen, so why not help your mental health and start worrying about things you can control.

ANDYUHENET......My mental health is "WELL" thank you, unlike you fox-republicans!!!!! History will judge this PRICK, and do so harshly make no mistake in the next few years more an more will come out to damage this Fuck an the Bush Administration....HISTORY, little boy will be the ultimate judge!!!!

My mental health is "WELL"...

Congratulations on the excellent acting job, celery. You have us all convinced otherwise and are doing a great job keeping us deceived!

I dont want Fox News, not that it matters to anything, and if history will judge Dick Cheney, then you have nothing that warrants all caps to write about. It'll all be taken care of!

Life is good.

History will judge this PRICK, and do so harshly make no mistake in the next few years more an more will come out to damage this Fuck an the Bush Administration....HISTORY, little boy will be the ultimate judge!!!!

Yes history will judge this great man. America would have long ago been destroyed without him

Cheney's fighting the same fights against Obama he lost against the President he served under:

- Ending 'enhanced interrogations' - 2003
- Closing Gitmo - 2006 Bush decision
- Civilian trials for terrorists - Jose Padilla, Zacharias "20th hijacker" Moussai, Richard "Shoe Bomber" Reid

America would have long ago been destroyed without him.

Yep. With weapons of mass distraction.

America would have long ago been destroyed without him.

Yep. With weapons of mass distraction.

#11 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Deny it all you want but Cheney will someday have schools named after him

It's obvious that Chaney is heavily involved in Partisan finger pointing... Someone needs to grab him by the ears, stare him in the eye and tell him to knock it off....

I am no Democrat and I certainly am not a Republican but the political BS that Chaney is spewing is just Chicken Hawk BS...

Does it really matter that the Christmas Bomber was read his rights?

He talked anyway.... Really think about it.. How much could he have known anyway... The press makes it sound like this Idiot Kid has Bin Laden's home address in his head.

I doubt that the kid had much information of value. the people who trained him where I am sure pretty tight lipped with information in regard to operations. I doubt they told him about elaborate plans.... It is silly to think that they would told this kid anything of value while he was with Al-Qaeda.

Even Bin Laden has stated that the majority of the hijackers on 9/11 had no idea that it was a suicide mission.

This political back and forth is wasting time and is most annoying.

On the other hand.. The WH stating that the Christmas is singing like a bird and giving Actionable intelligence is most likely half BS too... Like I said, How much could this Idiot have been told.. Considering the lack of news in regard to terrorists being killed in Yemen, I would have to say that the kid didn't know much. Further proof that he didn't know shit.

I would feel much better if the pilot of the Christmas day plane had let the passengers throw the little shit out of the plane at 2000 feet prior to landing....

The WH seems committed to killing Al-Qaeda and taliban in Pakistan... i stated it yesterday and I'll say it again. With the pace of Obama's Bombing campaign in Pakistan, it is doubtful that Al-Qaeda is able to plan anything from Pakistan.... OBL is most likely more concerned with finding safety on a full time basis at this point.

This is why we see terror attacks being planed in Yemen... They have the breathing room to do so. Though not for long it would seem.

So Do us all a favor DICK... If you have a better idea on how to kill terrorists, and protect America Bring it... Tell us the idea!!!

Pointing out the obvious spilled glass of milk on the floor is a waste of time. Either you grab the mop or you get the hell out of the way and shut the fuck up!

#12

Absolutely!

To be Renamed "Dick Cheney" State School

That assbag Cheney thinks that Big Brutha should be able to monitor our cell phone activity. What a shitbag. Oh wait. That would be Obama

typical libs.

#15 | Posted by bph320

Police - local police departments - want to track suspects locations with GPS technology. You're confusing the 'monitoring of actual conversations' without getting a FISA warrant as your heroes did.

Deny it all you want but Cheney will someday have schools named after him

School mascot / team name ideas?

Dick Cheney War Hawks? Dick Cheney No-Bid Contracts? Dick Cheney Pacemakers? (not to be confused with peacemakers from Kucinich High)

On a different note...

I am not sure if most of you here are aware of this.... But.... If you go on Youtibe.com and search for "taliban Mujahideen" and stuff like that you can see the Many Many Many videos posted there by actual Taliban Al-Qaeda Members and supporters....

You can leave comments to these people and they answer back... Which most of the time is great fun... Especially when one accuses any Taliban member of being Gay or a drug addict....

You can flame actual Taliban supporters and members there without someone like RCADE banning you from the site.

There are Many videos there shot by Taliban of them firing on American troops....

There are also Millions of Videos there shot and Posted by American troops showing the other side of the battle which can be very hairy at times.

However the American soldier videos show clearly that when the shit does hit the fan over there, The Taliban in 99.9 % of the cases are wiped from the face of the earth by our boys.

two things become perfectly clear when you watch the videos..

A) The Taliban doesn't stand a Snow Balls Chance in Hell. In fact, The Taliban isn't even on the snow balls chance in hell line.

B) Anyone in the world who doubts the superiority of our fighting men and women and wants to screw with America needs to watch these videos.. Because without a doubt, There is no finer fighting force in the world then these young American and British kids.

So log on to youtube and put in your two cents against the Taliban and tell the filthy terrorists where they can go.

(not to be confused with peacemakers from Kucinich High)

#17 | Posted by andyuhenet

Every high school football team wants to play against Kucinich High. Easy win.

Deny it all you want but Cheney will someday have schools named after him

#12 | Posted by Bigpun

Perhaps in Dubai, where Halliburton has been conveniently relocated.

THEMANISCOMING

Post pics of pig roasts and whiskey being drunk at those YouTube sites.

The black helicopters should pick up the bastard.

Deny it all you want but Cheney will someday have schools named after him

#12 | Posted by Bigpun

Perhaps in Dubai, where Halliburton has been conveniently relocated.

The is nothing wrong with Halliburton relocating to Dubai.

It is only a matter of time before the firsy school is named after Cheney.

Post pics of pig roasts and whiskey being drunk at those YouTube sites.

Dude... Half of the Taliban leadership are clearly Heroin and Opium addicts... They don't care about whiskey drinking. I worked on the streets of NYC for 20 years off and on. I know a stone Junkie when I see one. Even on a video.

Look at the current battle going on in Merjah Afghanistan... An Opium producing town run by the Taliban... It's all about the drug money in reality... Alah hasn't got a thing to do with it at this point... The leaders are getting rich off of drug money. The fighters are brainwashed lunatics.

Final Exams - Dick Cheney High

Dude... Half of the Taliban leadership are clearly Heroin and Opium addicts... They don't care about whiskey drinking. I worked on the streets of NYC for 20 years off and on. I know a stone Junkie when I see one. Even on a video.

What did you work for the Sanitation Department. I love how they follow the parades picking up horse shit

Yep, Sullivan's probably right. Cheney is really, really worried about prosecution and/or posterity, and that's what's making him rip people's arm off at the shoulder and beat them over the head with it.

That, or hemorrhoids the size of tangerines.

What did you work for the Sanitation Department

Yea kind of...

My last job in NYC was Managing the implementation of a Biometric Fingerprinting system for the NYPD.

It is used to fingerprint criminals in all 75 police precincts and has a search-able database.

It's Called a Livescan AFIS System.

Manufactured by a company named IDENTIX. Though I worked for the company that ran the job called SAGEM MORPHO SYSTEMS.

Crime was down 39% in NYC within two years of the implementation.

So yea we collect plenty of Garbage...

Are you seriously going to say crime was down because of IT.

Are you seriously going to say crime was down because of IT.

The system we put in contains a database of every set of fingerprints the NYPD had on hand going back to 1970.

This included fingerprints collected at crime scenes called Latent Prints.

For years, many crimes were never solved. In a case where you have latent prints you had to depend on humans to search through thousands and thousands of fingerprint cards on file to attempt to find a match and catch the perpetrator of the crime.

Once we scanned all the NYPD prints into the system and then All latent fingerprints collected at unsolved crimes through the years, Thousands of previously Unsolved crimes were solved in the first few months because the computer matched latent prints to prints on file.

Cops were waking career criminals up at two in the morning and taking them in for robbing a bank in 1975 and stuff like that. Many of them didn't even remember the crimes. Hundreds of murders were solved in a week from prints taken from hand guns...

So Yes... Crime dropped 39% because career criminals went to jail. The average gang member in NYC became terrified of the new system the cops had. If you had ever been arrested and they caught you again they knew who you were in 20 minutes.

So... If you had warrants out on you and got arrested and tried to give the cops a fake name you were busted. it was no longer possible to get away with that type of stuff...

The Murder rate in the 75 Precinct which is BedSty. dropped off to almost nothing. That was a neighborhood that had seen over 100 murders a year previously.


#15 | Posted by bph320
Police - local police departments - want to track suspects locations with GPS technology. You're confusing the 'monitoring of actual conversations' without getting a FISA warrant as your heroes did.

#16 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2010-02-14 04:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Well I guess wiretapping without a warrant and probable cause is bad and shouldn't be done but in your mind making everyone's cellphones a position monitorig device is ok in your mind. We put those ankle gps devices on criminals on parole and you are hunky dorry with making everyone with a cell phone Just because Bruce Wayne did it in the Dark Knight doesn't make I right. I had to throw that in. At least I totally understand your position now.

If Bush wiretaps without a warrant it's bad. If Barry wants to go 10 times that far it is ok. If Bush runs up National Debt it is bad. And I agree. When Barry wants to times 10 it's ok.

BPH

What I said was you were confused about what the cell phone court case was about.

The Cell phone companies have known your whereabouts for years...

Why would you even care if you are a law biding citizen.

The Police only want to see the records already on hand to track wise guys...

If your not a wise guy they won't be looking into your whereabouts and locations anyway.

The Murder rate in the 75 Precinct which is BedSty. dropped off to almost nothing. That was a neighborhood that had seen over 100 murders a year previously.

#30 | Posted by themaniscoming

C'mon everyone knows that parts of Bedsty have been gentrified. That is the reason crime in Bedsty is down.Williamsberg at one time had high crime rates. It was gentrified and now is the hot place to live in Bk. Furthermore, crime started dropping because Guiliani had cops perform random searches and other tactics that the ACLU hated. It continued to drop under Bloomberg. Crime was very high when Dinkins was mayor.

The gangs in NY are NOT afraid of the NYPD. They run the housing projects. As far as some software program solving thousand's of cold cases I find hard to believe. I am sure it helped.Maybe you should sue the NYPD for the credit because they don't credit the drop in crime to an IT consultant.

If I have to sit next to some asshole in a public place and listen to his stupid conversation then he is not having a private converation in my eyes. It is not protected in my opinion.

TMIC,

Re: #30....Congrats. Great work. Keep it up.

Monitoring you position anytime for no reason is b s

"On the other hand.. The WH stating that the Christmas is singing like a bird and giving Actionable intelligence is most likely half BS too"

You're probably right. It's called disinformation, and is designed to force his collaborators to scramble to cover their tracks, which exposes them even more.

BPH
What I said was you were confused about what the cell phone court case was about.

#32 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2010-02-14 05:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I believe you are confused. I am aware of what the Bush Admin was doing with wiretapping and warrants to do so. I am just commenting on that some of the Left think it is ok to turn all of our cell phones into GPS ankle monitors while crying foul at the Bush Adminisrations activities.

As far as some software program solving thousand's of cold cases I find hard to believe.

yea I guess everyone knows you would know best...

This court case is all about police tracking criminal suspects.
If you aren't a criminal committing crimes you have nothing to worry about. They could care less where you are.

More info: news.cnet.com

As far as some software program solving thousand's of cold cases I find hard to believe.

yea I guess everyone knows you would know best...

#40 | Posted by themaniscoming

Please give me a link to Newsday, NY Post, Daily News about the thousand's of cases that were solved overnight thanks to you. Bloomberg might give you a medal

BPH

There was an outcry in London when they began installing video cams on street corners. After the crime rate dropped precipitously the only ones still complaining were criminals.

parts of Bedsty have been gentrified...

The gangs in NY are NOT afraid of the NYPD. They run the housing projects

credit because they don't credit the drop in crime to an IT consultant.

First I never said I lowered the crime rate in NYC... The Crime rate in NYC was lowered by locking up Career and Recitatives Criminals. The AFIS system is not a piece of software.. It is a city wide identification system comprising both hardware and software.

Second There is currently no part of the 75 precinct that has been Gentrified. Been down Sutter Avenue lately? How about Sutfin Blvd? It's nice that you can google and Wik...

Third... The TV shows Depicting gangs Running the Projects as you say are TV shows.... Sedywick houses, in Bronx is a bad place to be on any day. But the Gangs no longer run shit... The cops run things... Proof of this can be observed on any given day... The cops drive up the gangs are nowhere to be seen. Crack use is way way down... Though heroin is the new Epidemic, It is now half as bad as the Gang run Crack epidemic.

Here is a link though the project actually topped out at 11 million for everything.

www.highbeam.com

Another link

www.allbusiness.com

here is an article from 1987 New York Times

www.nytimes.com

Your never going to believe this but I managed a second project for the department of Social Services in New York. Their AFIS system saved the tax payers 900 Million over three years in welfare froad..

So you can deny all you like... Frankly I couldn't care less what you think.

here is an article from 1987 New York Times.

1987 ??????

Shit man I was in high school
That was so long ago. Hell was Yo MTV raps even on yet

Third... The TV shows Depicting gangs Running the Projects as you say are TV shows.... Sedywick houses, in Bronx is a bad place to be on any day. But the Gangs no longer run shit... The cops run things... Proof of this can be observed on any given day... The cops drive up the gangs are nowhere to be seen. Crack use is way way down... Though heroin is the new Epidemic, It is now half as bad as the Gang run Crack epidemic.

I don't know anything about TV shows but I do know that gangs run the projects. Sure the gangs may run if they see a police car on the streets but no cop wants to be in a dark starwell of a project in Queens.

Second There is currently no part of the 75 precinct that has been Gentrified.

There are lots of Jews and Italians in Bedsty now but be careful of scuffing some black guys shoes when you are walking down the street.

Why would I need a medal? I was a frigging project manager... It wasn't my idea... I ran a project... big fing deal. You seem to be one of those posters who just like to argue...

I wouldn't have even said anything but you made the smart ass comment about the sanitation department..

Immature at best.... Usually a total waste of time dealing with people like that.

There are lots of Jews and Italians in Bedsty now but be careful of scuffing some black guys shoes when you are walking down the street.

Okay I see now... You don't know shit from shinola about Bed Sty... Scuff a black Guys shoes....

Indeed....

1987 ??????

No the system was installed in 1996 I did the New York State DSS system first. In 1995.

Why would I need a medal? I was a frigging project manager... It wasn't my idea... I ran a project... big fing deal. You seem to be one of those posters who just like to argue...

I wouldn't have even said anything but you made the smart ass comment about the sanitation department..

Immature at best.... Usually a total waste of time dealing with people like that.

#46 | Posted by themaniscoming

A Project manager is running the construction at the WTC site. He didn't design the buildings yet it is a big deal. He should get a medal too when it is complete.

There are lots of Jews and Italians in Bedsty now but be careful of scuffing some black guys shoes when you are walking down the street.

Okay I see now... You don't know shit from shinola about Bed Sty... Scuff a black Guys shoes....

Indeed....

#47 | Posted by themaniscoming

Actually I do. I lived in Brooklyn for several years

Why would anyone listen to the opinion of a guy
who is a Mason, and wouldn't put on a uniform when his country called him...he asked for five deferments from military service during the Vietnam
War....

Old Dick really likes killing Mesopotamians, but he didn't care much for Gooks, or Red Chinese, or Russian Communists, but he sure killed alot of
Mesopotamians who had every right to reclaim Kuwait...aferall it was part of Mesopotamia for thousands of years...and what the Heck...?? What
was so great about the House of Kuwait dictatorship
anyway...I guess Old Dick just likes killing Mesopotamians so much he couldn't miss the chance...
to Kill them in two wars...

And why does Old Dick like to kill so much for both
Bush I & II, that is Mesopotamians, not the House of Saud, as they have some kind of love for one another...Never mind that all the Bushies and cronies are Masons, and like all the perks and powers of the WH...

But they sure liked old Dick to kill for them,
even though he himself...never once went to combat,
except when he blew his own friend's head off in a hunting "Accident"...probably Old Dick just didn't have the safety on...you know...he was never trained in warfare...

I guess maybe Old Dick just can't get enough target
practice in, and the Bushies are too high brow for that kinda thing...

And Old Saddam was so "evil" it took to Bushies to kill him off...even though he was our friend and Ally against Iran for 10 years...and so was Mr. Bin Laden....

Funny he was from the House of Saud, like all the other 19 or 20 hijackers...but we didn't bomb diddle
out of the House of Saud...I guess they just aren't
so bad as the Mesopotamians next door...

Just random thoughts,
Ciao All

I am still perplexed why they are no front page headlines about this system soling thousands of crimes overnight. You would think it would get frontpage news in the city

My plumber who fixed my boiler last week was a mason. He was a Chinaman who spoke Spanish. I got his name from my Puerto Rican contractor who renovated my kitchen. He is a mason too. I wonder if they know Cheney

Who knows...maybe the Chinaman and the Puetro Rican
are into you know Human Sacrifices on Masonic Temple
Altars...of Greed...

Ya just never know...as a New Yorker friend of mine
once said...

Hey maybe if you trace your ancestry far back enough
IT probably had Masons in your famliy tree.

I know my Old Man's Father was a mason, and he was one hell of a mean SOB, and REpublican too...kinda strange...don't know why so many REpussies are Masons...kinda gives me the Fing Creeps!

But I bet if you trace your ancestry far back enough
their will be a Mason there...especially if your a REpussy...

Lot of those Mfkers out there...usually their Atheists too, and just make a show of good old
White-Man Protestant Religion...like the Bushies,
and Cheneys of the world..just love those Photo Ops
that show them coming out of the church with a Bible.

REally strange group those Masons...they like those old Eygptian Mystery Religions, and rituals that include blood sacrifices like old Jewish rites and such...

Who knows maybe they kill chickens on their sacred Altars cause they like goood old country fried chicken livers...

But hey check your family tree betcha there is a few Masons hanging out...

Ciao

Cheney belongs in prison with Blankfein and a thousand other crooked billionaires. What he did for Enron in India alone warranted indictment, then there's Iraq. But he doesn't want to do that so he uses his position of power to blather on and many idiots take what he says seriously. Some of these idiots actually work at the Supreme Court of the United States. How sick is that?

"My plumber who fixed my boiler last week was a mason. He was a Chinaman who spoke Spanish. I got his name from my Puerto Rican contractor who renovated my kitchen. He is a mason too. I wonder if they know Cheney"

#53 | Posted by Bigpun

Hi TIMBICI, you loser. Nice handle.

You should drop your facination with Canadian strippers if you want to hide.

Fraud.

Cheney doesn't attack. Has anyone listened to his measured reasoning? He provides his measured opinion because he believes he is right (correct) on the issues.

So who said he can't have an opinion that is obviously so very important to him, like the security of every person living in the U.S.

History will tell the full story. Biden has been wrong on virtually every major foreign policy decision for the last two to three decades. The man has done absolutely NOTHING other than run for office and live off the public tit. He is a dunder head, who reveals himself whenever he opens his mouth; now and then he attempts to sound like a statesman, but he is no statesman.

Cheney is a statesman like Churchill was a statesman. History exonerated Churchill and it will exonerate Cheney.

"Cheney is a statesman"

Good God, get out the waders....

"My plumber who fixed my boiler last week was a mason. He was a Chinaman who spoke Spanish. I got his name from my Puerto Rican contractor who renovated my kitchen. He is a mason too. I wonder if they know Cheney"

#53 | Posted by Bigpun

Hi TIMBICI, you loser. Nice handle.

You should drop your facination with Canadian strippers if you want to hide.

Fraud.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL

My name is not Tim.
I don't get the rudeness chief.
Was your mother mean to you or something?

I don't have a fascination with Canadian strippers? I would like to see the statistics as to how many Canadian women emmigrated to America to work as a stripper. They tend to be blonde and have large boobs

"My name is not Tim."

I never said it was. I called you TIMBICI. Oddly enough, TIMICI made the same comment when someone called him Tim.

"I don't get the rudeness chief."

"Chief"? What happened to "son"?

"I don't have a fascination with Canadian strippers?" Really? It's odd that both you and TIMICI have made references to big boobed blonde Canadian strippers and both spelled blonde wrong.

Fraud.

Oops... I left out the "B" in FRAUD a few times...

My name is not Tim."

I never said it was. I called you TIMBICI. Oddly enough, TIMICI made the same comment when someone called him Tim.

"I don't get the rudeness chief."

"Chief"? What happened to "son"?

"I don't have a fascination with Canadian strippers?" Really? It's odd that both you and TIMICI have made references to big boobed blonde Canadian strippers and both spelled blonde wrong.

Fraud.

#60 | Posted by REDIAL

What else would my response be. My name is not Tim.
I am part indian. I call people I don't respect Chief.

As far as Canadian strippers go one of my tennants in Long Branch is a Canadian stripper.

Answer me a question; Was OJ guilty or innocent?

Answer me a question; Was OJ guilty or innocent?

#62 | Posted by Bigpun

GOATMAN? TOSSER? SPUD? Anyone?!

I have TIMBICI stuck to my boot and can't get it off!!!

Answer me a question; Was OJ guilty or innocent?

#62 | Posted by Bigpun

GOATMAN? TOSSER? SPUD? Anyone?!

I have TIMBICI stuck to my boot and can't get it off!!!

Redial watch it. I would take your boo, turn it sideways and shove it right up you ass BUT I have a feeling you would enjoy it too much.

"Redial watch it."

Hee hee. Go to bed... school in the morning...

Fraud.

From Politico's "W.H. Happy To Face Off With Dick Cheney" (www.politico.com) by James Hohmann:

Any day spent talking terrorism isn't automatically a good one for the Obama administration, given the Republicans' traditional edge on the issue among voters.

But debating Dick Cheney on terrorism? The Obama White House says it's happy to do that anytime.... [perhaps because of]
what is a clear administration strategy to play up its newly aggressive approach in Afghanistan, show a White House determined to project a posture of strength on national security and trying to gain the upper hand with Republicans who wish to portray Obama as weak....

And there is some evidence to suggest the strategy is working for Obama. A Washington Post poll released last week found that 56 percent approve of the way the president handles the threat of terrorism, making it Obama's strongest core issue.

[T]o the White House, Cheney provides a particularly appealing foil. Administration allies see few drawbacks to vigorously rebutting him. Responding elevates the profile of one of Obama's strongest critics, but so doing allows the administration to compare its policies against the most unpopular member of the Bush team.

"He is a polarizing figure, and I think the president looks pretty measured and strong and reasonable when stacked up to Cheney," said Democratic pollster Jeremy Rosner.


Steve Brenen at Washington Monthly may have hit on something in "BUSH/CHENEY TOO LIBERAL FOR CHENEY" (www.washingtonmonthly.com).

I'm reluctant to make too much of Dick Cheney's latest musings -- the failed former vice president gets too much attention already -- but given the larger debate about national security and counter-terrorism policies, this seems like a relatively important development.

* Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he disagreed with the Bush administration's release of prisoners from the Guantanamo Bay detention center and with the decision to subject terrorists to criminal courts.

* Cheney says he opposed the Bush administration decision to charge shoe bomber Richard Reid in criminal court rather than declare him an enemy combatant and hold him in military custody.

* Obama administration officials have responded to Republican-led criticism of their handling of terrorism suspects in part by pointing to similar actions by the administration of Republican President George W. Bush.

And it's a fairly compelling response. For every far-right Republican that tells the Obama administration, "I can't believe you're Mirandizing terrorist suspects, trying them in federal courts, imprisoning them on American soil, and closing Gitmo," the administration responds, "Bush/Cheney Mirandized terrorist suspects, tried them in federal courts, imprisoned them on American soil, and supported closing Gitmo ... and you never said a word."

So, today, Cheney said the only rational thing someone who wants to trash President Obama can say: he disagreed with his own administration.

(Continued...)

Benen (not Brenen, sorry), explains:

Indeed, Cheney even acknowledged that his administration could have tried Richard Reid in a military court, but chose to go the civilian route.

That's not all. When confronted with a Bush-era Justice Department document praising civilian courts as an effective weapon against terror, Cheney acknowledged that some in the administration saw things this way. "We didn't all agree with that," Cheney said, acknowledging that there was a "major shootout" inside the administration over the merits of civilian trials.

This, again, is a clear acknowledgment that many Bushies endorsed the current Obama approach.

What an odd dynamic. The debate pits two groups -- one is led by President Obama, whose judgment has been endorsed by the military establishment, the intelligence establishment, policy experts, and is in keeping with the practices of all modern presidential administrations. The other group is led by Dick Cheney, neocons, congressional Republicans, Joe Lieberman, and a little too much of the media establishment.

But the bottom line remains the same: as far as Cheney is concerned, Bush and his team were too liberal when it came to national security. That's seems crazy, but that's his argument and he's sticking to it.

I am still perplexed why they are no front page headlines about this system soling thousands of crimes overnight. You would think it would get frontpage news in the city

#52 | Posted by Bigpun at 2010-02-14 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Here is what a simple google search produced...

The guy is legit.

If you need help with the simple chart, give a shout and we'll explain it.

"as far as Cheney is concerned, Bush and his team were too liberal when it came to national security"

#68 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-02-15 07:04 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Damn Doc! Cheney says they were too soft on terrorists?!

What else could a civilized 21 century country possibly do? maybe some extreme methods of torture?

I just dont know anymore, these fuckers have me shaking myhead.

I am still perplexed why they are no front page headlines about this system soling thousands of crimes overnight. You would think it would get frontpage news in the city

#52 | Posted by Bigpun at 2010-02-14 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Here is what a simple google search produced...

The guy is legit.

If you need help with the simple chart, give a shout and we'll explain it.

#69 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2010-02-15 07:06 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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www.disastercenter.com

It's as if they've developed an appetite for eating their own tails.

Yes history will judge this great man. America would have long ago been destroyed without him

#9 | Posted by Bigpun at 2010-02-14 03:39 PM |

Amusing statement until you realize that one in every ten people you meet today agree with him.

Then it's just scary.

Why doesn't a reporter have the balls to question Cheney about the 9/11 timeline? Get him on one of the cable news channels.

Reporter: Dick, I know this may be hard, but the American people and the world want to know- when did you arrive at the Pentagon on 9/11?

When would you say you very first started taking control of the situation? what time was it? What did you do first? Who were you talking to?

Did you and Georgie talk about My Pet Goat while planes were being hi-jacked? that is a great book, isn't it?

Why did you and Georgie wait 411 days to order an investigation into 9/11? Specifically.

Why did you and Georgie fail to testify under oath about 9/11? You didn't think this would be of historic importance to do so?

and you want to give Obama shit? Help me understand brother Dick. I don't understand why you can answer tough questions but you have the balls to say Obama is soft? Do you want to elaborate? I promise not to interrupt?

Weapons of Mass Distraction Dick? Intelligence Undeniable? Did you purposely throw Colin Powell under the bus or was it just and aw shucks lets start an unjustified war at the cost of crashing the American economy and unnecessarily sending Americ an men and women to die kind of moment? Care to elaborate?

And you want Obama to do what?

FAIR AND BALANCED MOTHERFUCKER.

Get Bill O'Reilly to ask these questions.

One of the few TRUE CRITICAL MOMENTS that got through...

www.youtube.com

If Cheney is so certain he's right and Obama is
wrong, he should declare his candidacy for the
Presidency and take him head on. If not, he should
shut up and go home. Dick, show some of the class
your former has displayed and go away quietly.

Its hard to believe this man at one time worked for
Gerald Ford. Ford was a true class act. Apparently,
none of this left an impression on Mr. Cheney.

Chaney's comments are not meant for all of you on the far left (as he would consider you a lost cause), His public comments are more aimed to those more in the middle (wavering obama supporters) and I believe quite a few are listening.

Outside of the Fox News/Limbaugh crowd,
who's listening to Dick Cheney?

"Outside of the Fox News/Limbaugh crowd,
who's listening to Dick Cheney?"

Many not on the hard left.

Cheney's record of success speaks for itself.

Cheney's record of success speaks for itself.

#80 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-02-15 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

For example...

...damn. Help me out here, MSGT.

"it's a safe bet what he will say: President Barack Obama projects weakness to terrorists and puts American lives at risk"

When Dick burrowed underground on 9/11 and wouldn't come out for days, did that portray strength to our enemies?

When he marginalized anyone who wanted to plan for post-Saddam Iraq, rather than buy into his "flowers and chocolates" delusion, did he put American lives at risk? (actually in this case, I'd move past putting people at risk into saying he is directly responsible for hundreds of unnecessary casualties on our side)

This guy is such a sack of shit it is amazing. Back when this country was great, he would have been tarred and feathered if not hung for treason.

"Cheney's record of success" --- Shot a lawyer.

"Soft on terrorism" in the early 21st century smells like "soft on communism" in the mid 20th century.

Smells like bullshit.

Zatoich-
Okay, I'll give him that. Not only did Cheney shoot a lawyer, the lawyer then apologized for being shot by Cheney! Truly masterful.

"Not only did Cheney shoot a lawyer, the lawyer then apologized for being shot by Cheney! Truly masterful."

Sersiously, how much of an asshole do you have to be to shoot your friend in the face and then make him apologize? And how much of a pussy was that lawyer for going through with it?

"I'd like to apologize to Dick Cheney for first of all having a face and more specifically for having a face that looks so much like a quail in flight...."

Then again, even being on one of those canned hunts in the first place pretty much solidifies your status as a major handjob even if you don't shoot your buddy in the face....

I am still perplexed why they are no front page headlines about this system soling thousands of crimes overnight. You would think it would get frontpage news in the city

#52 | Posted by Bigpun at 2010-02-14 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Here is what a simple google search produced...

The guy is legit.

Thanks lfthnd....

I was tired of explaining it to him... He seems to like to doubt... Doubters never win in the end because they have no solid moral ground to stand on...

Keep talking Cheney. I just love watchin' the libs lose it when you do!

Joe Biden's motorcade has injured more people than Cheney's shotgun!

...but you won't see any investigations on the above.

.

It's laughable that Cheney thinks he has any relevance.

What an ego!

Cheney has relevance as long as his comments get in the newspapers and people read it

"Keep talking Cheney. I just love watchin' the libs lose it when you do!

Joe Biden's motorcade has injured more people than Cheney's shotgun!"

Cheney also killed several hundred US GIs by insisting that we not have any plans for the occupation of Iraq other than to expect Iraqis to love their invaders unconditionally.

Biden could updgrade his entire motorcade to monster trucks and still never catch Cheney.

Thanks lfthnd....

I was tired of explaining it to him... He seems to like to doubt... Doubters never win in the end because they have no solid moral ground to stand on...

#87 | Posted by themaniscoming at 2010-02-15 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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No problem TMIC. Looks like you were part of some good work.

Keep it up.

It also looks like you bring some good dialogue to this blog. Good to see you around.

Ah Mr. Cheney, the King Kong of Neo-Cons.

This guy, who has had no qualms about sending young men into harms way to the Middle-East, would not have been caught dead with a rifle in his hands over in Vietnam back in the 60's.

He represents the total embodiment and personification of everything that has gone wrong with the GOP.

any Cheney thread hi jacked by big boobed Canadian Strippers cannot be all bad...

The name says it all-DICK.

Nobody gives a RATS ASS about him.

Former Vice-President Dick Cheney is tap-dancing for his freedom. If he ever stops, he will be in the dock at The Hague as a war criminal so fast, it will seem like he teleported!

Words are cheap, as anyone posting here at DR surely know. To watch hallichainy rail on Obama is pretty damning for him......because hallichainy did not protect the USA during his time in office. In fact, he's never protected anyone but himself....including changing the pentagon rules to allow privatization of the military when DOD, then becoming the ceo of one of the largest war profiteering corps, then creating an unnecessary invasion/occupation out of whole cloth and when his lies were pointed out, outing an entire cia program by naming one of it's agents who was married to the man who outed those lies.
Not to mention allowing the 911 attacks on his watch as veep by focusing on an antiquated pnac agenda of invading/occupying iraqnam written a decade before, he has no credibility now whatsoever. And then, invading/occupying a country that was not part of the attack, surely shows how pathetic he truly was as a leader.

He should be tried as a war criminal sooner than later for the sake of all of the US troops (and civilians) who've been kia and/or wia in iraqnam since 2003.

Prognosis: Dick is drowning in a constant fairytale fantasy pool of confusion induced by a toxic brew of ingesting way too much "Rush", countless dangerous hours of totally unfair and unbalanced Faux News and TV show "24", being surrounded by too-agreeable self and govt paid "yes men", and some type of pain and reality killing addiction to himself...

Feb 18, 2010
'Run, Cheney, Run' chants at conservative gathering

content.usatoday.com

Did this no class-clown, who had a revolving door between being APPOINTED DOD, appointed CEO of halliburton, then APPOINTED VEEP, ever have more than an 18% approval rating as veep??--other than right after he allowed the USA to be attacked on 911 by focusing on an antiquated (and since failed) PNAC plan to invade/occupy iraqnam for profit?

Oh, yeah, here's his votes during his time as a rep for wyoming

Against>Dept of Education
Against>Sanctions against South Africa for APARTHEID
(Then voted to override reagan's veto)
Against>Nelson Mandela's release

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