Do the Marines take dropouts?

If so, if kids dropout, they should automatically go into the service.

"Do the Marines take dropouts?"

Ask John Kerry. I think it was he who said that "if you don't get good grades, you'll wind up in Iraq."

"A pillar of Liberalism, the ideology of mediocrity, crumbles to the ground in Detroit. Students will be better off now."

Tell that to a small thirteen year old who has to contend with big 16 and 17 year old classmates.

Tell that to a small thirteen year old who has to contend with big 16 and 17 year old classmates.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-12 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your a one note tune dummi thats for sure. What about the 16 and 17 year olds who can't read because big brother said - thats ok, your black, you have been suppressed we are going to pass you because you "deserve" it. Yeah, that's worked REAL well in Detroit. Idiot.

Danni, a 13 y/o with 16 or 17 y/o classmates could also result from a kid with high IQ going to High School earlier than nomrla. Would you deny these talented people that opportunity? I am sure it's not easy because 3 years difference is a lot during the teen years, and yet, people do it. I am sure you see on TV geniuses who graduate from medical school at 18 or whatever.

#5

Eliminating social promotion goes hand in hand with eventally scrapping Affirmative Action.

Sorry folks, I'm a parent who raised kids who went through some tough schools. Quite simply you don't know what you are talking about. My son when he was 13 got beaten to a pulp by a bunch of kids just like I describe, don't even tell me you know it's better to keep older kids in with younger ones.
You are full of crap!
Once again the morons try to make it a liberal/conservative issue when it's really a common sense issue.
Consider, if a kid is 16 or 17 still in middle school....he isn't going to just start learning because you hold him/her back a year or two or three. More significant remedies are necessary but...OMG!!!!....that might cost money.

"Eliminating social promotion goes hand in hand with eventally scrapping Affirmative Action."

Riiight. Like no white children have been socially promoted, probably more than minority kids.

Posted by danni at 2010-02-12 02:30 PM | Reply

I'd say it's time for those punks to consider voc schools.

Do the Marines take dropouts?"

Ask John Kerry.
#3 | Posted by member2586 at 2010-02-12 01:29 PM

I am sure he served with more than one republicon in Vietnam.

1. To me it doesn't matter if the kids being socially promoted are white or minority as you put it. I also oppose the kind of affirmative action that says that if your rich daddy attended this school then you have a place regardless of your crappy SAT/ACT scores, grades, etc.

2. You aregue that there should be no social promotion or else older kids will beat up younger kids. Well, I am sure that problen can be solved by other means. Maybe there could be a special school for kids not sociall promoted and I would even allow them the opportunity to try to catch up to their grade level if they are willing to put in the work (including summer school). Also vouchers would help as parents would not be stuck in bad schools were their kids get beat up.

"Also vouchers would help as parents would not be stuck in bad schools were their kids get beat up."

The kids who's parents could afford to put enough money with the voucher to actually put their kids in private school maybe but vouchers just make the schools even worse for the kids left behind. Less resources, fewer decent students. I have been opposed to vouchers since I first heard them touted way back in the sixties when white southerners wanted them to help pay for putting their kids in private schools to escape integration.

#13
How many times are we going to have to say that before it sinks in?

Consider, if a kid is 16 or 17 still in middle school....he isn't going to just start learning because you hold him/her back a year or two or three. More significant remedies are necessary but...OMG!!!!....that might cost money.
#8 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-12 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are your feelings on alternative schools and/or trade schools? Since some kids simply don't do well in standard classrooms, I think they might help (and only help, mind you) the situation. It allows you to send those 16 and 17 year old middle schoolers to a place where they might learn some real life skills and get an education that will help them become gainfully employed rather than becoming a drop out at 21 and becoming a crack dealer.

Since no one else has, I'll raise the boogey man of teacher's unions. How much good could we accomplish by banning teacher's unions and making education competitive? I'd actually consider teaching if the unions were removed.

What are your feelings on alternative schools

They aren't the answer. 80% dropout rate here and is basically nothing more than taxpayer funded babysitting.

THe problem is the parents take no action to be involved in the childs school life. Many of them are single parent households that are too busy or to lazy to be effective.

How much good could we accomplish by banning teacher's unions and making education competitive?

Is that gonna magically make the students better and the parents invovled. No.

"What are your feelings on alternative schools and/or trade schools?"

I'll tell you what, I think the stigma on trade schools is crazy. You send a smart kid to learn a trade like being a plumber, and that kid will make well over six figures a year easy. If he's decent at running his own business he probably only has to deal with toilets for 7-8 years or so before he has other people working for him and barely goes out on calls himself.

I went to middle school with a 16 yr old girl in 7th grade. She used to smoke some serious bone.

I have been opposed to vouchers since I first heard them touted way back in the sixties when white southerners wanted them to help pay for putting their kids in private schools to escape integration.

Shit, vouchers are that old? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I reckon they just trot it out every decade and pretend it's a new, fresh idea. Sort of like all those Nixon guys in Bush's administration.

I went to middle school with a 16 yr old girl in 7th grade. She used to smoke some serious bone.

I doubt there was much "serious bone" to be smoked among her 12yo. male classmates...

"Many of them are single parent households that are too busy or to lazy to be effective."

Many are too hopeless. They don't believe they can make a difference so they don't even try. I know with my own I had to struggle against the same feelings but fortunately we never were quite so desperate and poor but it was sometimes still difficult, I can only try to imagine how difficult it must be for some of these folks who have no education themselves, never held a decent job, don't know what it is to have nice things and a decent environment. I'm not making excuses for them, only they can fix it but I somewhat understand why they are the way they are.

"I'll tell you what, I think the stigma on trade schools is crazy."

I agree but I don't think many of these kids will do any better there, many are so completely anti-social it would be difficult for anyone in authority to reach them.

RE: trade schools

Kill two birds with one stone, send kids not interested in college to learn a trade they might like and reduce illegal immigration as more Americans do the jobs they supposedly didn't want to do before.

If they REALLY end "social promotions" in Detroit public schools there will be only one more senior class graduation ceremony. Eventually they will only need one big fucking first grade classroom for those stupid MFers.

If a kid is recalcitrant and refuses to learn he should be killed. the world is filled with uneducated fools. if one refuses to take what is offered fuck them.

That would certainly be motivation to educate yourself.

I'm quite certain that there are some studies that indicate the chances of a child graduating high school if he or she is held back a grade are significantly lower compared to students who are not held back. So simply not passing them on to the next grade can't be the answer. That being said, I think there's far too little accountability on the part of students in many cases. I can't speak for an urban district, but in my district they are afforded endless opportunities to get things right, and many of them still can't meet measures for success. No matter how low the bar is, they find a way under it.

is there any reason to study and do homework if you know you will be passed anyway?

As a rule, negroes don't want to learn - they don't care about school. It can't be fixed.

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101- or Timbci-style troll or honest opinion? You be the judge.

This ol' boy in Deetroit should be applauded for his actions.
Time to get the yute of America on the right track, it will beat obamacation, obamacare, obmanation.

Tutamen Deus

There is no excuse for the disparity in education in this country. We have the bast and worst of it, and liberal political correctness contributes more to problems than conservative racism.

But those people who claim that we are going to educate ourselves out of the mess we're in are full of shit. Without a manufacturing base there is no need for employees of any kind, including engineers and scientists.

I am almost certain that if you honkies went to a school system that was created and ran by us brothers you would all fail.

It should be rather obvious how you'all failed us brothers by making us try and conform to your honkey ways.

throwing more money our way is funny too. You always think more money will solve the problem. Now it's even funnier that a black man is in the driver's seat throwing money like a white boy at every problem he sees. You'all trained him well.

Once you'all honkeys realize you stole this place from the native indians and imported us unwillingly to do labor for free then we can get somewhere. Until then fuck off and send us your fat in the butt wifes and pretty blonde daughters!

"Since no one else has, I'll raise the boogey man of teacher's unions. How much good could we accomplish by banning teacher's unions and making education competitive? I'd actually consider teaching if the unions were removed."

Oh, you would, would you? And why is that? You'd give up your lucrative job, eh? Do tell.

And what does competitive mean? Do you really think that education is part of the market? Why? How does that work?

Another trite anti-union comment? Seems so. Help me understand.

The kids who's parents could afford to put enough money with the voucher to actually put their kids in private school maybe but vouchers just make the schools even worse for the kids left behind. Less resources, fewer decent students. I have been opposed to vouchers since I first heard them touted way back in the sixties when white southerners wanted them to help pay for putting their kids in private schools to escape integration.

#13 | Posted by danni

God forbid that students who want to learn and have parents that care should actually be allowed to attend a school in an environment that encourages learning. It is amazing that white liberals have been running the school systems in inner cities for the last 30 years and minorities continue to vote for them. Let the kids that don't care and the gang bangers go to shit holes. It is better to save the kio want to be saved. It is better to save a few than let all of the students go down the drain

Not in Favor of vouchers myself. I think if you want your kid yo have a religious indoctrination you should pay for it yourself 100%.

Not in Favor of vouchers myself. I think if you want your kid yo have a religious indoctrination you should pay for it yourself 100%.

#37 | Posted by jackass

Being required to take a class on religion is hardly indoctrination. Jews realize this ans it is quite common to see Jewish kids at good Catholic schools

When school vouchers are used for U.S. Islamic schools it'll be an entirely different story, of course.

How many kids from the inner city are going to want to go to Islamic schools

An executive order ending "social promotion" in Detroit?

Good.

It were a St00pid farking idear in the first place.

Spud's main objection to Vouchers is that America is already an overly-religious religious country that doesn't need any help in that regard.

How many kids from the inner city are going to want to go to Islamic schools.

Islam is the second biggest religious group in the world after Christianity.

It's also growing faster than any other major religion.

Be careful wot you wish fer.

You just might get it.

The Law of Unintended Consequences can really be a biatch.

Be Well.

"How many kids from the inner city are going to want to go to Islamic schools"

You're kidding, right? You do know about the of Islam (well, a variation of it) in African American history, no?

People incorrectly view vouchers as a religious thing. I send two kids to private school and one to public. Kids are individuals that excel differently and no one school can be the right solution for all.

FYI for all the illiterati: the private school offers one religious class per semester and believe me it is all fluff. I don't send them there for religious purposes - I send them there for the discipline.

As for middle child in public school - it was his choice. Fortunately Minnesota has tops ranks in public education and we're in that district (90+ % grad rate). But 3 miles away is Columbia Heights where the rate drops into the 50s.

How do we get that disparity within a 3 mile radius, within the same public school system?

Danni #4,
Bravo. I see that those critical-thinking skills of yours are as sharp as ever.

Why should hard work, study, and you know... actual achievement -- be the deciding factor in advancement?

JM

Wow, I never quite expected a moment like this on the DR...

I actually attended Columbia Heights schools in the late 80s and early 90s (K-7 for me). My older brother and sister both graduated from that system. Of course we moved out of MN when I was 13, so this opinion might be skewed by lack of perspective, but I thought that Heights wasn't such a bad educational system. The students at the top of my sister's graduating class seemed like geniuses then and still do in retrospect. Of course, when I visit the area nowadays, it's completely different. The area appears much more urban that I remember growing up. Maybe it's a good thing we moved when we did.

It's amazing how much of a difference a couple decades can make.

Do the Marines take dropouts?

#1 | Posted by Ron_Karate

NO but acorn does.

Once you realize the Teachers Unions are there to help the Teachers, not the Students, you will begin to understand the root of the problem.

The bloated, tax dollar sucking, lib bueacracies throughout industry and the government on all levels have made this once great nation of ours uncompetitive in the world economy.

Since it is unlikely that anything can be done in the near term to counter the influence of the NEA or the concept of tenure that protects bad teachers, vouchers are an excellent way of allowing some kids to escape from bad schools.

I would prefer to save some even if I couldn't save them all. It's as though you are in a row boat with kids drowing all around you. Wouldn't you try to get as many into the boat as possible or would you take the position that since you can't save them all you won't save any?

Where did religeon come into this debate?

"Once you realize the Teachers Unions are there to help the Teachers, not the Students, you will begin to understand the root of the problem."

I don't know what Union your talking about. My wife's Union is pretty open about thier agenda. No accountability = more money, power and control for the Union. Oppose the union and you will be dealt with.

Please show me a document or a statement wherein the NEA or AFT asserts, even by implication, that there should be no accountability.

I predict the echoing sound of crickets following that request.

>Where did religeon come into this debate?

#41 - she just can't let it go.

#52--I know, Dyl. The public-ed/teacher critics just can't let go of their canard, and can't accept that the "commie-socialist" teachers might want good for the children. Shocking, right?

>I actually attended Columbia Heights schools in the late 80s and early 90s

Yes, small world. In the 80s and 90s it was a different city than it is now. But it has fallen no where near the levels like a Brooklyn Center or Brooklyn Park -- those areas are completely beaten up now. CH is just the victim of a first ring suburb bordering North Mpls on the South and just across the river from Murderapolis.

Still, where else but CH can you find a city within a city?

I guess that means there will be 27 yr old 10 graders in Detroit now.

"Still, where else but CH can you find a city within a city?"

Very true! I remember hearing once that Hilltop had the highest crime rate in the state. Did you ever hear anything like that? I think it had something to do with the fact that every petty disagreement was counted as a crime or something like that...

"How many kids from the inner city are going to want to go to Islamic schools"

You're kidding, right? You do know about the of Islam (well, a variation of it) in African American history, no?

#42 | Posted by pragmatist

Not many black kids were very interested in going to the lunatic fringe Arab school in NYC. Only Arab aspiring terrorists went there

Oh, you meant _lunatic fringe Arab schools_, in which case I agree with you.

In China high school begins in 10th grade. You don't get to go unless you pass a difficult exam.