I don't get it.

Does this Mean Obama has "Made us Less Safe" ---- by continuing a Bush Policy?

Or does this Mean Obama has "Made us Less Safe" ---- by continuing a Bush Policy that you no longer like because it's now Obama's policy?

Please, tell us why you're enraged after 7 years of not being enraged?

Please, tell us why you're enraged after 7 years of not being enraged?

I'm enraged after 7 years of being enraged.

Stop deflecting. Your savior is doing very well with Bush's Third Term.

Hope and Change, Baby.

The only change is in the lefties who approve of Obama doing what they lambasted Bush for doing.

Oh, and before the exercise in semantics and distinction without a difference(s) begin --- let me just say I find this abhorrent just as I did when Bush did it (i.e. Principle)!

This is unacceptable to me

You and your kind on the other hand, gleefully attacked those who mentioned this with accusations of "Traitor" and "In bed with the Enemy" ------- and now only look stupid.

of course, you all being a members of the "party of Personal Responsibility" you will deny your initial acceptance and advocacy of this garbage is why its still viable!

It's only a matter of time!
I predict that you stupid fools will start whining about the Powers of the Unitary Executive ---- after enabling and advocating the power grab in the first place.
Hope and Change is right! Everyone who voted against Hope and Change is getting their wish.
Which begs the question -------- why the Fuck are you Whining about getting what you wanted (voted for)?

It's shit like this that may get the left to acknowledge that Obama is our newly elected President.

BTW, I have no Problem with President Stymie's decision to do this.

you know..I know that its not necessarily good for the country

but just look at shit coming from this administration

may raise taxes on middle class

recess appointments..something barry went beserk over when it was bush appointing bolton

and now this...

one just has to sit back and laugh.

conclusion

maybe they really ARE....all just the same shit just in a differnt bucket.

"Does this Mean Obama has "Made us Less Safe" ---- by continuing a Bush Policy?"
#1 | Posted by Redneckville

He has made us less safe even as he expands "Bush" policies. Will you complain and ask for his arrest and impeachment like you did when Bush did this?

I'm sure Russ Feingold will raise all sorts of hell over this.

I can't figure out why RedNeckVille is suddenly OK with warrantless phone tracking. It's all so mysterious.

recess appointments..something barry went beserk over when it was bush appointing bolton

Yep, who would have thought the Republicons would hold up 70 appointees as extortion for pork barrell spending?

Certainly not you.

Republicons

#12 | Posted by 726 at 2010-02-11 01:52 PM

Pretty soon the left might be demanding birth certificate information be released.

The only change is in the lefties who approve of Obama doing what they lambasted Bush for doing.

Where are these lefties?

They don't seem to be here...

BRING IT! Hope they have some good windtalkers on duty.

I can't figure out why RedNeckVille is suddenly OK with warrantless phone tracking. It's all so mysterious.

#11 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

He's under Barry's voodoo spell.

He's under Barry's voodoo spell.

More like under his doodoo spell seeing as to how far he has is nose up the Messiah's ass.

Yep, who would have thought the Republicons would hold up 70 appointees as extortion for pork barrell spending?

I'm no more surprised by it than I am about the democrats who were paid off to buy into the health care bill.

You remember those, don't you 726?

Goatman, WisGod,

How dare you suggest that RedNeckVille would give up his principles to defend Obama and warrentless phone tracking.

This is unacceptable to me

Live or Die and Goatman missed this post.

#4 of this thread.

Well ain't that a bitch.

lol.

regardless of you missing it, he didn't miss the opportunity to deflect. He really is a conservative because he never changes.

Is this another campaign statement with an expiration date?

There's a difference when you're on the sidelines sniping, playing to your audience. It's another matter when you really see what's up and are accountable for decisions.

Looking more like Cheney every day...

How does that make the DR left feel? Sure, you can deflect... but deep down you've got to be miffed at BHO. How long will you toe the line?

He's only fulfilling the mandate the people gave him.

Smooth Operator

Coast to coast
L.A. to Chicago...

I wonder if this pertains to wireless internet as well. Brilliant.

They are not tapping pones... Simply asking for the right to track locations. Do you have on-Star in your car? Logack? Do you use Easy Pass at toll booths? Then you shouldn't mind this.... Again, if your doing nothing wrong why would anyone even care...

They are not tracking us all. They couldn't keep track of all that. They want access to frigging records? who cares..

The only change is in the lefties who approve of Obama doing what they lambasted Bush for doing.
#3 | Posted by goatman

Hey, I'm right here. You know I'm still lurking, right?

can't figure out why RedNeckVille is suddenly OK with warrantless phone tracking. It's all so mysterious.

#11 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

As every day passes this guy gets more like Bush---it's like one bad bowel movement (and constipation) for RedNeckVile and his ilk---as he keeps making these abhorrent decisions the crap just keeps piling up and RNV etal. are straining to keep from letting loose the big stool but they just can't bring themselves to do it---it's like admitting your "baby" was cheating on you but it sure is fun for the rest of us seeing them rationalizing their support of this incompetent.

The only change is in the lefties who approve of Obama doing what they lambasted Bush for doing.

The info's probably gone to Internet Heaven by now, but it would surprise me not at all to discover that here on the DR those on the Right were much, much slower to start criticizing Bush than those on the Left have been to criticize Obama.

One of the truly weird aspects to some of the Right's complaints about Obama is that they appear to find him at fault for doing what they want done rather than what many on the Left would like to see done.

Rightist: I'm in favor of imprisonment at Gitmo.
Obama: I'm not closing Gitmo right away.
Rightist: See?! See?! I told you so!

As I say, truly weird.

Its not a wiretap - it is accessing a list of pin numbers.

"Surprise, surprise, surprise" --> Gomer Pyle.

This is the "Change" we were warning you about...no change, just more dollars.

inform on your neighbor, or we will do it for you.

As I say, truly weird.
#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

This is the "Change" we were warning you about...
#35 | Posted by daprof

Q.E.D.

One of the truly weird aspects to some of the Right's complaints about Obama is that they appear to find him at fault for doing what they want done rather than what many on the Left would like to see done.

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-02-12 08:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

The favorite criticism of the Left is hypocrisy.

Truth does not matter -- only inconsistency.

So, your own standards are being turned back to you: When Bush did this it was bad, but now that your Messiah does it, it is wonderful.

By your own standards you are a hypocrite

I'm in favor of Gitmo, I'm in favor of being able to track cell phones. It's nice to see that Obama is doing a couple of things right, and that--because of that--libbies have fallen in line like the good little sheep that they are.

So, your own standards are being turned back to you: When Bush did this it was bad, but now that your Messiah does it, it is wonderful.
By your own standards you are a hypocrite
#38 | Posted by vernon

Actually, by my standards when Bush did it, I disagreed bad; when Obama does it, I disagree. You're just being stupid and/or disingenuous. So what else is new?

So does this mean Obama is a facist too?

Bottom line folks, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on when it comes down to it they all want a police state to "keep us safe".

It is sad how many freedoms and rights we do not have here compared to elsewhere. It is coming down to what privileges will they allow us? If this was only in the case of suspected terrorists - period - I might be ok with it. But this will be a blanket. Nobody has any business tracking someone who does not want to be tracked without being able to establish a just cause.

"But this will be a blanket. Nobody has any business tracking someone who does not want to be tracked without being able to establish a just cause."

Sad that it doesn't go without saying.

"So does this mean Obama is a facist too?"

I'm trying to find a way to answer that question that won't jeopardize my user privileges.

I'm in favor of being able to track cell phones...libbies have fallen in line like the good little sheep that they are.

#39 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-02-12 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag: Irony escapes him

I've said from the beginning of the Democrat's effort to undermine the Bush administration at war, that you creepy, liberal, progressive idiots are lying sacks of partisan, muckraking offal who literally cannot understand that Broadcast electronic signals are *NOT* private!!!

Now, you lying sacks of offal are making yourselves into stupid examples of hypocrisy for defending something you just got through demeaning ...

Your dumbed down collective intelligence is about the level of cockroaches ... tu putas grandes ...

no huge criticism from the left here.

If you are paranoid about this just go into the manual of your phone and there can find out how to turn off the GPS. That way they will have to work harder by triangulation to figure where they are - thereby making them earn your tac dollars - lol.

What a lot of people don't realize is that these kinds of anti-privacy laws are damning evidence in a civil trial as well as for tracking criminals and terrorists (which BTW are the same thing just treated differently thanks to the Patriot Act). That fact makes it even more potentially damning because civil cases don't need 'proof beyond a reasonable doubt'.

What a lot of people also don't realize is that even if the law was changed regarding disclosure of the location of a call, it would only apply to use of such information in a criminal trial. The location of where a call has originated has always been admissible in any court trial, not just civil trials, so this is nothing new. To pin the opinion of the advocate judges on the Obama administration is a politically motivated charge at best. It is the sanctioned opinion of the Justice Department and has always been since wiretap laws were first written. Even if the ACLU (remember they are despised by all libertarians and right wing radicals) were to win the case it would have no bearing on the ability of the cops to obtain this information anyway, because cell phones do use public airways, but it would have an adverse affect on the public who is goaded into a false sense of security that their calls cannot be monitored, which is laughable.

So just remember kids. If you are committing a felony and need to use the phone, always remember to use your in-home land line.

What? most people no longer have an in-home land line?

Was this planned?

Were we suckered into this new brave world? Bought with shiny techno trinkets?

Gotta have that new iPhone, don't forget the tracking chip. It's all good clean fun. You will know where your friends are at any time.

Big Brother loves you and will watch over you. You need me for your protection, just ask any terrorists...

If there's no reasonable expectation of privacy, what about the laws which make it illegal for you and I to intercept other people's cell phone conversations?

While I voted for Obama, I give $$$ to EFF. I'm with EFF on this one.

"... the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts."

Sorry, Obama, I thought I had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Sorry, Obama, I thought I had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

You do. Just don't broadcast it to the whole world. Try homing pigeons.

"I thought I had a reasonable expectation of privacy."

It's a radio.
Get over it.
Mail a letter.

The info's probably gone to Internet Heaven by now, but it would surprise me not at all to discover that here on the DR those on the Right were much, much slower to start criticizing Bush than those on the Left have been to criticize Obama.

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-02-12 08:15 AM

I guess I'll stick with semaphore... but the homing pigeons sounds good, too. You could eat the messenger!

Police State, as memorialized in the Patriot Act.

Hey not a single comment on that nut job

VP who is now taking credit for winning the Iraq
War...

Wonder why? Everyone has forgotten General Betray Us
Ad in the Wall Street Journal?

Any O supporters out there going to defend this
crap?

my favorite cell phone was a Tracfone I bought at WalMart for $7.

It did everything I wanted from a phone: It sent and received text messages, and it made phone calls.

So, I'm good because I live simply.

And I'm evil because I shopped at WalMart instead of Target

Hmmm... "more open about invasion of privacy" counts as a "more open" administration?

They are not tapping pones... Simply asking for the right to track locations. Do you have on-Star in your car? Logack? Do you use Easy Pass at toll booths? Then you shouldn't mind this.... Again, if your doing nothing wrong why would anyone even care...

They are not tracking us all. They couldn't keep track of all that. They want access to frigging records? who cares..

#29 | Posted by themaniscoming

You are right the pones are OK. It's the phones they are tracking. Do you like radar cameras and stoplight cameras all over the US taking pictures of you wherever you go? BIG BROTHER is watching you. Ain't it great?

OK I'm a radar buff, having had radar detectors since the Fuzzbuster days.

In 2001ish time frame, my Escort radar detector started giving me a bunch of false warnings. Finally I called Cincinnati Microwave and they asked me..."do you have a Worldcom cell phone?"

The phone was triggering the false warnings.

So I started to investigate, and evidently cell phone signals are picked up by cell towers, and computer programs can track ALL users by trianglulating the signals. I read that computer programs could be used to snoop on all....in a passive method. Also the signals can be used to track ANY metal, so your car can be detected even if you do not have a cell phone. That was 10 years ago. The NSA and others have probably been doing this for years....Don't you think this is old news?

"Don't you think this is old news?"

Tracking any cell phone's location IF IT'S TURNED ON, yes.

The tracking any metal part is just bullshit.