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Thursday, February 11, 2010

Daily Mail: We have seen the Twin Towers collapse hundreds of times on TV. The steel and glass skyscrapers exploding like a bag of flour, the dust and smoke pluming out across Manhattan. But never like this, from above. Nine years after the defining moment of the 21st century, a stunning set of photographs taken by New York Police helicopters forces us to look afresh at a catastrophe we assumed we knew so well. You know but cannot see the 2,752 men, women and children who died at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. None is visible here.

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You want to say "breathtaking" when you look at these images, but that description somehow seems inappropriate when remembering the carnage and loss of life.

Yeah, CChris, "Breath-taking" is both apt and inappropriate all at once.

"Sobering" and "Horrific" spring to mind.

The Event happened on 9/11/2001 thus begging the question...

FTA: WHY ARE WE SEEING THEM NOW?

After 9/11 the U.S.'s National Institute of Standards and Technology collected images from amateur, professional and freelance photographers as part of its investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Centre. It completed its research in 2005. In the summer of last year, ABC saw that NIST was asking the photographers' permission to release the images and filed a request under the Freedom of Information Act to get access to them. The images seen here are ones taken by NYPD helicopters and come from the 2,779 pictures supplied on nine CDs to the news organisation.

FOI Act FTW.

Be Well.

Wow! Kinda makes my heart sink! I can not even imagine how awful that would have been.

8 plus years later and the pictures finally come out.

How about those videos around the Pentagon that were taken from citizens?

How about those videos around the Pentagon that were taken from citizens?

You have about as much chance of seeing them as you do of seeing the video of the underwear bomber getting on the plane in Amsterdam.

Whenver I look at 9/11 stuff it always gives me a creepy feeling like I'm watching a snuff film or something. I also won't support any product that has to do with 9/11 because I don't like the idea of anyone making money off it. Not saying that is the "normal" way to feel about it, but its my reaction.

Still chilling to see the actual collapse of the buildings.

I am so glad to see that they have finally begun construction.

"How about those videos around the Pentagon that were taken from citizens?"

You have about as much chance of seeing them as you do of seeing the video of the underwear bomber getting on the plane in Amsterdam.
#5 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2010-02-11 02:37 PM

Or the Gitmo torture tapes, or the SEC investigations that were moved into WTC prior to the attack, the stock exchange put options from that morning, or even the data on those Mossad terrorists equipment, etc.

The NIST 9/11 panel operates on behalf of Zionist interests and not one of those "scientists" has any problem with that.

We can't even get C-SPAN cameras in the Supreme Court.

We can't even get C-SPAN cameras in the Supreme Court.

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot

nor the Healthcare discussions

Ah..... Attention Conspiracy buffs and all 9/11 truthers....

It would appear that the last picture at the bottom of the page on the left side in the article shows an awful lot of stuff falling on the front side of the WTC 7 building.

It seems the front of the building was hit by a large amount of the upper floors of the north tower.... But most of you truthers wouldn't have noticed this because you don't even know where the hell 7 wtc was located...

It's the nice shiny brown building in the picture getting all that nasty gray concrete and steel dumped down it's south wall....

Shouldn't be too hard for you all to figure out that a portion of that huge pile of hell raining down in the photo must have hit the building...

But.... You die hards will deny it.

Just figured I would wast another five minutes of my life.

You can not talk to truthers. Any evidence contrary to their 'scholars' mentality, they ignore. Then they cast out their next silly 'theory' and act like they have been vindicated by their own refusal to answer direct evidence refuting their truther claims....

expect boOb to chime in soon!

You can not talk to truthers. Any evidence contrary to their 'scholars' mentality, they ignore. Then they cast out their next silly 'theory' and act like they have been vindicated by their own refusal to answer direct evidence refuting their truther claims....
expect boOb to chime in soon!
#11 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2010-02-11 05:02 PM

When have I ever denied fact? When I'm wrong I step the fuck up. Know that you are in fact a LIAR.

Point by point:

1. You Swiftboaters, Birthers, Teabaggers and other meme-alikes shut down discourse and apparently have no interest in honest debate as also indicated through your contrary moronic absolutist claims above.
2. You have no presented any questions - indicating precisely the kind of debate you participate in - NONE.
3. You have repeatedly IGNORED years of questions and analysis - again, you lack intellectual honesty to be bothered with those pesky facts.
4. You have never questioned the events of 9/11 or the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan - 'nuff said.

When you have something to add that I find interesting I try and remain non-partisan. You have never given me that benefit.

Ah..... Attention Conspiracy buffs and all 9/11 truthers....
It would appear that the last picture at the bottom of the page on the left side in the article shows an awful lot of stuff falling on the front side of the WTC 7 building.
It seems the front of the building was hit by a large amount of the upper floors of the north tower.... But most of you truthers wouldn't have noticed this because you don't even know where the hell 7 wtc was located...
It's the nice shiny brown building in the picture getting all that nasty gray concrete and steel dumped down it's south wall....
Shouldn't be too hard for you all to figure out that a portion of that huge pile of hell raining down in the photo must have hit the building...
But.... You die hards will deny it.
Just figured I would wast another five minutes of my life.
#10 | Posted by themaniscoming at 2010-02-11 04:49 PM

Damned straight I will deny that's the entire story when you repeatedly ignore the rest of the facts.

I rely on testimony from the two survivors of building 7, the multiple witnesses who heard explosions and the magical prediction made by the BBC that it would "collapse" - again, into it's own footprint. Thermal satellite images show kelvin in excess of the materials combustible potential. A fuel was used that continued to cook the metals that continued for WEEKS after. Analysis readily concludes thermate would be an obvious agent, and massive amounts of sulfur have been found on the sites confirming it's presence. We even caught MOSSAD TERRORISTS RED HANDED AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME - they were inside of the building two weeks and then two days prior to 9/11 - CLEANING THE WINDOWS?! Also, some of the 19 alleged suicidal terrorists never died in those attacks because they weren't even IN THE UNITED STATES AT THE TIME. Do I need to cover Silverstein again and again?!

Doesn't any of that ring an alarm anyplace in that head of yours?

Also, it's quite likely that JFK was not killed by a magic bullet. Sorry, but Alan Specter was lying back then too.:[

Barry Jennings, New York City Housing Authority worker.

The BBC interviewed Dylan Avery, writer and director of the documentary "Loose Change," and during the interview the BBC disputed Avery's claim that there were dead bodies in the lobby of Building 7 as the result of an explosion prior to the collapse of either WTC buildings. In order to make his point, Dylan showed the BBC video footage of one Barry Jennings, the New York City Housing Authority worker who made the claim of dead bodies strewn in the rubble. The Jennings interview included here was to appear in Loose Change, but Mr. Jennings had reservations after receiving threatening phone calls. He was worried about losing his job and requested the interview not be included.

Jennings, and Mike Hess, New York's corporation counsel and a good buddy of then mayor Rudolph Giuliani, went to the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) on the 23rd floor of WTC 7, but when they arrived found the office evacuated, a situation at odds with the whitewash report. "After the South Tower was hit [at 9:03], OEM senior leadership decided to remain in its 'bunker' and continue conducting operations, even though all civilians had been evacuated from 7 WTC," the report states (Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, pp. 305). The whitewash commission's description runs counter to a report published in The London Independent on September 13, 2001, indicating that Jennings and Hess arrived at the OEM by the time the South Tower was hit, indicating the center was evacuated earlier than officially claimed.

It would appear that the last picture at the bottom of the page on the left side in the article shows an awful lot of stuff falling on the front side of the WTC 7 building.
It seems the front of the building was hit by a large amount of the upper floors of the north tower.... But most of you truthers wouldn't have noticed this because you don't even know where the hell 7 wtc was located...
It's the nice shiny brown building in the picture getting all that nasty gray concrete and steel dumped down it's south wall....
Shouldn't be too hard for you all to figure out that a portion of that huge pile of hell raining down in the photo must have hit the building...

Who cares? NIST says falling debris had nothing to do with the collapse of WTC7.

No redlight, you jump immediately to the contrary position no matter how far fetched or moronic it may be.

Redlight you are so far off the deep end I don't even know where to start. Why don't YOU tell us why all those engineers on the 911 commission could be so wrong. And your "eyewitnesses" are so correct.

Yup.... redlightrobot is a truther....

Hey there Mister red light... I hate to disturb your rant.... I have a couple of question for you.....

If all this PROOF exists that 9/11 was an inside job, Where is it?

Is every person in the united states government involved....

Because with all this PROOF laying around, Why would Obama let it slide? Am I to believe that Obama is in on it too? Why wouldn't he go after the people who really did it? He seems to be wasting his time bombing Pakistan for nothing then... Should he be sending the drones over Texas?

With all this PROOF that 9/11 was a "False Flag" operation, How come nobody ever calls the cops with the proof in hand?

Is everyone at the NYPD involved? How about all the Firemen.. Them Too? Guliani too? The NYC DA? The FBI, The CIA, The DOD, The NSA, The NSC, Every General in the Pentagon? All of the Firemen in Washington DC? All the Cops in DC Too? All the state troopers in PA? All the firemen there too? The entire Press core must also be involved.... Lets not forget the airlines involved who confirmed that parts recovered at all three crash sites belonged to their airplanes...

What should we do now... It's almost as though more people are involved in 9/11 than could possibly keep it quiet. Somebody has to crack... Who would you go after first.... Maybe we can start an email campaign and get them to crack..... You could blow this entire thing wide open for us...

It is no suprise redlight is a 9/11 loon. I love how he blames it on the jews. I always thought it was Christine Quinn who planned 9/11. She was made at her former lover and trying to get revenge

9/11 truther, birther, GW denier, Holocaust denier, teabagger.... the hit parade just keeps on keeping on.....

The loons have SO much in common.

I heard that no one actually died on 9/11. They were paid off and sent overseas. They are paid out of an account in the Cayman Islands and if they ever reveal their identity their families will be killed. It was all planned because the Israelis needed to steal the gold to finance their war against Iran.

Truthers like citing fire fighter comments about the building about to collapse and the BBC reporter erroneously reporting that 7 had come down before it actually did. Is it your belief that a massive criminal conspiracy was hatched and the conspirators actually gave reporters and fire fighters (many of whom died on 9/11) a heads up about it? How does that make any sense?

The greatest buildings in our nation's history, interesting birds-eye view. It sucks that there has been little construction at Ground Zero -- on the other hand, Las Vegas (before the Great Recession) had new resorts going up left and right.

Phys. People who worked in those towers hated them. They used to sway all over the place when it was windy. It took forever to get downstairs if you were on the top floors, especially at quitting time.

I walk by ground zero everyday. They has been a lot of construction in the last six months. I am not familar with the Great Recession. Personally the recession in the early 90's affected me more than this one does

The pic in the story showed little improvement, but I was stoked to see new construction nonetheless.

Being an ex-New Yorker from Long Island, IMO the buildings made the skyline.

My point in the Vegas reference in #22 was that ( during this economic boom in the last decade) more money went into building gambling resorts than into rebuilding THE location where our global economic hub once stood.

And to this day, I believe 9/11 royally f+cked our economy.

There was plenty of money to start building WTC. It was the Port Authority and politicians arguing and bowing to special interests that delayed it.

The WTC was never the global economic hub. All the commodity exchanges were long ago moved out of the WTC. The only large financial institution that had its main offices in the WTC was Cantor and they survived although they lost most of their staff. Morgan stanley had other offices in NYC.

Morgan stanley had other offices in NYC.

But the WTC was their headquarters. Hell, they still have a branch in a building were I once worked (Southern Cali). I'll never forget the somber looks of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter guys on that dark day.

Also, the Twin Towers signified commerce on a global scale which surpassed any edifice in the city.

For one thing, from my "experimental chemistry" days back in the 70's, thermite is composed of iron oxide (rust) and powdered aluminum. No sulfur involved.

The helicopter pilots were part of the demolition crew. How else could they get such good photos??

--BB

Btw - Besides Iraq, what exactly is our revenge for this brutal attack?...:)

Morgan stanley had other offices in NYC.

But the WTC was their headquarters. Hell, they still have a branch in a building were I once worked (Southern Cali). I'll never forget the somber looks of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter guys on that dark day.

Also, the Twin Towers signified commerce on a global scale which surpassed any edifice in the city.

#26 | Posted by phys_ill

It is irrelevant what it signified. The fact is that if they took out the WFC, it had ML and LB in that building. As for MS, their offices were on the lower floors and their employees were never in danger.

Irrelevant to who? To AQ? WTC was a target since '93. It's destruction was a symbol for jihad. Jihad doesn't bode well with global commerce. There were many international business men/women who died in the surrounding area - more than 90 countries lost citizens.

People who worked in those towers hated them. -- #23 | Posted by Bigpun

I navigated by them -- the WTC and the Empire State Building marked south and north.

The lower levels of the trade buildings and adjacent outdoor spaces were also important to the people who lived in the area. Little else was open after 5pm.

Whenver I look at 9/11 stuff it always gives me a creepy feeling like I'm watching a snuff film or something. -- #6 | Posted by Sully

I'm with you on that one.

Interesting, though, that we watch similar film of other countries' catastrophes all the time.

#17 | Posted by themaniscoming

Redlight is absolutely correct in everything he is presenting to you as fact. 911 was in inside job.

If you want to know WHY 911 occurred just read this.

worldreports.org

This has nothing to do about terrorism and everything to do with Consolidated Debt Obligations, Sovereign Hedge Funds and worthless Wall Street Paper (The US got caught running a "Never Pay" Ponzi Scheme and the world now wants their money, with interest).

If you follow the money you will uncover the crime...

"Liberty is for those patriots who are unafraid of the truth."

For one thing, from my "experimental chemistry" days back in the 70's, thermite is composed of iron oxide (rust) and powdered aluminum. No sulfur involved.
#27 | Posted by Rincewind at 2010-02-12 12:55 AM

I wrote thermate which cuts through steel as quickly as a hot knife melting butter. Once begun it's immediate and continues interacting for long afterward, thus the unprecedented weeks of molten metals.

9/11 - 2/1/2006 BYU Professor Steven E Jones WTC Lecture UVSC
2:13:40 - 4 years ago
BYU Physics professor and founder of SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH Steven E Jones presents his presentation on the collapse of WTC Buildings 1,2, and 7 on 9/11. A very informative and scientific presentation that raises serious questions about the official account of the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7.

BYU Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples, Building Collapses an Inside Job
Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue.

wtc steel with diagonal cut, thermate residue
Prof. Steven Jones, who conducted his PhD research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility, has analyised materials from WTC and has detected the existence of thermate, used for "cutting" the steel support columns, as evident in the photo below.

Dr. Jones is a co-founder of Scholars for 911 Truth.

Dr. Jones in earlier work pointed to thermate as the likely explosive that brought down the WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 skyscrapers. But only recently was physical material analysed in the lab and the presense of thermate announced. The samples were provided Dr. Jones team from redundant sourses.

Both BYU and Prof. Jones have been offered additional grants if he would "change the direction" of his research. In addition, there have been threats made by an individual who "is taking action" to stop Steven Jones' research, specifically his experiment with thermites (aluminothermics), on the grounds his work may be helpful to "terrorists". Jones notes that much more detailed information on both thermite and thermate is readily available on the internet.

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