Put down the bong and step away from the keyboard.

Mescaline, that's my guess.

I likes it!

...universes based on logic completely different from ours and not based on space and time).

Hmmmm sounds a lot like BushWorld to me!

We are still trying to return America to the proper space time continuum after Bushco somehow steered the entire Earth into an alternate and weird nonsensical universe.

mmmmm...peyote...mmmmmm!

...universes based on logic completely different from ours and not based on space and time).

Hmmmm sounds a lot like BushWorld to me!

Based on logic.

As far away from Bushworld as you can get.

The difference between the reality of a world 10 trillion light years away from ours is nada.
They look out into space and face the same complex issues our scientists here face.
Everything in space unaffected by gravity follows a straight line.
Time is one dimensional.In our reality,time always goes foward never going back or stopping.
Without our conscience to evaluate our surroundings time will just be motion.

rwd

It's not that we can't remember the future;
it's that we don't recognize it.

In our reality,time always goes foward never going back or stopping.

The arrow of time is a strange thing. We perceive time to "move" like a river, smoothly and in one direction. Is that accurate?

If you set t=0 at the big bang, as the value of t increases a few things are certain. The entropy of the universe increases, and the universe gets a little bigger. Why we perceive time to "flow" and have this strict sense of causality... that is quite a mystery.

But as far as there being anything "beyond the universe"... you've heard of cosmic inflation and the multiverse, right?

What is time but merely something Earthlings measure based on the Earth's own rotation on it's axis at 1000 MPH. But we're also going around the sun at 67,000 MPH and through the Universe at 827,700 MPH - all while it seems we're standing still.

One of my favorite posters is an astronomical chart of the Milky Way galaxy with an arrow that points at an infinitesimal speck: Earth. Caption: "You Are Here". Our knowledge and very existence are infinitesimal in the big scheme of things.

"Our knowledge and very existence are infinitesimal in the big scheme of things."

Bullshit!! All we need to know is in the Bible. Except for a lot of the New Testament. That Jesus feller was a troublemaker. Yeah, except for that shit about Jesus, the Bible tells us everything we need to know.

That and Fox News.

The 'Christian' Right

"And therein lies the great expanse of our oversight, that until now, science hasn't confronted the one thing that's at once most familiar and most mysterious − consciousness."

Time to re-legalize LSD.

"that is quite a mystery"

Only to the dismally ignorant.

The difference between the reality of a world 10 trillion light years away from ours is nada.
They look out into space and face the same complex issues our scientists here face.
Everything in space unaffected by gravity follows a straight line.
Time is one dimensional.In our reality,time always goes foward never going back or stopping.
Without our conscience to evaluate our surroundings time will just be motion.

Really? How do you know? How can you be sure?

All kidding aside, thanks for posting the article, Corky.

Interesting story, and I do not believe that time is uni-directional, but on a more general basis, censtrist theories have always been proven wrong and even a bit egotistical. Geocentrist, anthropocentrist, etc. theories never pan out. That makes me skeptical of biocentrism. It is just something else we make up to say, "If not for us, it wouldn't exist", or "if a tree falls in the forest . . . ."

#3 -- frank2.5 gonna be pissed that donnyboy beat him to turning a completely non-political thread into a bush bash.

...and through the Universe at 827,700 MPH

Relative to what?

"Life will evolve into three dimensions..."

All except catfish. Catfish will elect to stay in two. That's all the dimesions required to enjoy shit.

"(A mystery) Only to the dismally ignorant...."

But the fatally unpleasant comprehend it immediately.

Put down the bong and step away from the keyboard.

#1 | Posted by axe at 2010-02-09 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think it's more a case of the final season of Lost permeating the conciousness.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2010-02-10 08:10 AM | Reply

Hey Zed, Jesus still hasn't shown up to suck my ass. It's been weeks. Looks like pointing out you have the IQ of lint was an insult to lint everywhere. If you'd followed the link and had the faintest fucking clue you'd see that Cronin and Fitch answered that pesky time question decades ago.

idiot

-All kidding aside, thanks for posting the article, Corky.

You are velcome.

Here's a good non-technical review of quantum entanglements.

The Nobel Prize in Physics 1980 "for the discovery of violations of fundamental symmetry principles in the decay of neutral K-mesons"

Provided CPT symmetry is not violated, observations of CP violation imply that time reversal symmetry can also be violated... but what does that have to do with our perception of moving at a more or less constant rate in one direction through time? What makes the dimension of time... well... time-like?

If you set t=0 at the big bang,

#7 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-02-09 11:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are assuming that there was a big bang. Still a theory unable to be proven. It is the scientific communities "faith" that some blob of matter just exploded and here we are billions of years later!

Our knowledge and very existence are infinitesimal in the big scheme of things.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-02-10 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Except for ZAT - he knows it all - and can provide a link to it!

#23 Elcid
To build on your point, ironically enough, how foolish for the atheist to use the term entropy - - perhaps an assumption that nobody in the creationist world would catch this glaring problem. Ah, but at least two have caught it.

if there is a definite design and order in the universe, the law holds that, in the course of time, this situation will be undone by the universe itself. There are two conclusions to be reached from this observation:

1) Left to itself, the universe cannot exist for eternity. The second law says that without external intervention of some sort, entropy will eventually be maximized throughout the universe causing it to assume a completely homogenous state.

2) The claim that the order we observe is not the result of external intervention is also invalid. Hypothetically, immediately after the Big Bang, the universe was in precisely such a completely disorganized state as would exist if entropy had been maximized. But that has changed as we can plainly see by looking around. That change took place in violation of one of nature's fundamental lawsthe Law of Entropy.

Imagine the universe to be a huge cave full of a jumble of water, rocks, and dirt. We leave the cave alone for several billion years and then come back and take a look at it. Upon our return we notice that some of the rocks have gotten smaller, some have disappeared, the level of dirt is higher, there's more mud, and so on. Things are more disordered, which is normaljust as we might expect. If, billions of years later, you find rocks delicately carved into statues, you would definitely decide that this order cannot be explained away by laws of nature. The only rational explanation is that "a conscious mind" caused these things to be.

NOBEL PRIZE WINNER PHYSICIST MAX PLANCK:
"A certain order prevails in our universe. This order can be formulated in terms of purposeful activity"
So the order of this universe is the most overwhelming proof of the existence of a superior Being of some sort."

Everywhere we look in the Universe, from the far flung galaxies to the deepest recesses of the atom, we encounter order... Central to the idea of a very special, orderly Universe is the concept of information. A highly structured system, displaying a great deal of organised activity, needs a lot of information to describe it. Alternatively, we may say that it contains much information.

We are therefore presented with a curious question. If information and order always has a natural tendency to disappear, where did all the information that makes the world such a special place come from originally? The Universe is like a clock slowly running down. How did it get wound up in the first place?

"Hey, ZED---Jesus still hasn't shown up to suck my ass...."

I can only imagine the number of persons who haven't shown up to suck your ass run into the billions.

"Cronin and Fitch answered that pesky time question ages ago...."

Sure. But you haven't. And I've accepted you won't. Much to scary away from the sandbox.

You are assuming that there was a big bang. Still a theory unable to be proven.

The universe is expanding... so look back in time and after a finite period its size would go to zero and its temperature and density would go infinite. No faith required. Just a bit of common fucking sense.

Left to itself, the universe cannot exist for eternity. The second law says that without external intervention of some sort, entropy will eventually be maximized throughout the universe causing it to assume a completely homogenous state.

Yes, that would be te "heat death of the universe". You're going to have to wait something like 10^100 years before that happens, though. Don't beat yourself up, LR. You're only off by a factor of 10^90.

the universe was in precisely such a completely disorganized state as would exist if entropy had been maximized

Entropy, first, is a far bigger concept than just "disorder". Second, the statement about the universe being in a state of maximum "disorder" at the big bang is blatantly false. The universe actually began in an extremely ordered state. The striking uniformity of the cosmic microwave background shows that the any inhomogeneities were tiny. Oh well... it's not as if ignorance would deter LR from trying to pull something out of his ass.

God isn't a necessary part of anything in physics. It's just the icing that some people elect to stick on the cake. It's grimly humorous to watch people with a third-grader's understanding of the subject matter misconstrue thermodynamics as a validation for superstition.

It'll be interesting to see how the field of Noetic Science develops.

All this talk about entropy and the end of the universe puts Spud in mind of an old Isaac Asimov story.

#28 z
The universe actually began in an extremely ordered state

Speaking of ignorance, how exactly did this happen?
Nice try though in sounding real "scientific".

"No faith required...."

LOL. Except accepting and or understanding the concepts of "zero" and "infinite". Unintentional comedy is the best.

Time is what keeps everything from happening at once. Space is what prevents everything from happening to me.

-John Wheeler

#5 RightWingDon> In our reality,time always goes foward never going back or stopping.

But according to Einstein, individuals in a space ship that achieves near light speeds would experience a significant slowing down of time.

Who knows what discoveries will be made in the next hundred years or so that significantly alters our understanding of time. Maybe those 'Back To The Future' movies will come true. I still want my own Mr. Fusion. ;^)

#8 ZombieHunter> you've heard of cosmic inflation and the multiverse, right?

I think Michael Crichton used the idea of multiverses in his book on time travel, "Timeline". I read the book when it first came out but never saw the movie. A multiverse is a very odd concept.

"Timeline"

The book was good. The movie sucked

Posted by Corky at 05:05 PM | 35 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry

new theory changes our destiny

Reminds me of Daddy McFly reading from handwritten notes to ask his future wife to the high school dance, "You're my density, I mean my destiny..."

Except accepting and or understanding the concepts of "zero" and "infinite".

You seriously think it takes faith to understand the concept of zero or infinity? You're nuttier than a Payday.

"However, according to Biocentrism, replicating human intelligence or consciousness will require the same kind of algorithms for employing time and space that we enjoy."

I grok, man. Live long and prosper.

A multiverse is a very odd concept.

That is not what you said in the other section of the multiverse.

Anyway, the article is interesting. Thanks for posting it Corky. I like the reference to the moth in the tent.

Consider this. Every animal that we look at we understand that their limited senses and mental ability makes them forever incapable of either perceiving so many aspects of reality and understanding the deep truths about it. Moreover, they are completely unaware of their limited abilities.

So should we conclude that human beings of this entire biosphere are the only animal capable of fully sensing and mentally grasping reality? Or should we conclude that like all animals, we have limited senses and intelligence and thus will never be able to fully perceive and comprehend reality--that much of it will forever remain hidden from us due to these limitations?

And, do we appear as moths to God.... forever flitting to and fro, flailing towards the light.

"You seriously think it takes faith to understand the concepts of zero and infinity....?"

I think only prepubescent jackasses make pretences to understanding such things in any real sense. If you find a sense of ownership here, so be it.

And, do we appear as moths to God.... forever flitting to and fro, flailing towards the light.

Probably.

He is probably thinking WTF did I do here.

Infallible indeed.