Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, February 10, 2010

On Election Day 2008, the Obama for America campaign organization had an astonishing 13 million members, four million donors and $18 million in the bank. But after being sidelined by the White House for most of its first year, the renamed Organizing for America discovered that most of its 13 million supporters had tuned out. It wasn't until 10 days before the election, after OFA finally woke up to Martha Coakley's cratering poll numbers in Massachusetts, that the group sent out an urgent appeal to members, asking them to help turn out Massachusetts voters from phone banks across the country. Only 45,000 members responded.

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It was a passing fad. In other news, the number of people who admit to have bought Backstreet Boys albums has plunged in recent years.

It was a passing fad. -- #1 | Posted by rightisright

Oh c'mon. I thought points like this --

Obama promised to use technology to open up the halls of power and keep the American people involved... His activists wouldn't just be cheerleaders; they would be partners in delivering on his mandate, serving as the most fearsome whip Washington had ever seen. "At the end of the campaign, we entered into an implied contract with Obama," says Marta Evry, who served as a regional field organizer in California for the campaign. "He was going to fight for change, and we were going to fight with him."

...In what Sifry decries as a case of "criminal political negligence," Obama's grass-roots network effectively went dark for two months after Election Day, failing to engage activists eager for their new marching orders. "The movement moment," he says, "was lost."

-- and this --
Plouffe, in a truly bizarre call, decided to incorporate Obama for America as part of the Democratic National Committee. The move meant that the machinery of an insurgent candidate, one who had vowed to upend the Washington establishment, would now become part of that establishment, subject to the entrenched, partisan interests of the Democratic Party. It made about as much sense as moving Greenpeace into the headquarters of ExxonMobil.
-- were much more interesting.

Organizing for America: "We can't go after Democrats we're part of the DNC."
LOL!

Like the article says...

weak

flaccid

"Instead of channeling the energy of the base, they've been squashing it," says Markos Moulitsas, founder of the influential online forum Daily Kos. "When special interests are represented by people like Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson, you've got to go after those people. Instead, you had OFA railing against Republican obstructionists, when the Republicans were irrelevant to the debate."
Hey, that sounds like many of the liberal posters here. Also, weak and flaccid.

Those were *glass* roots, not grass roots. And they broke.

The Administration bathed them with in Roundup(R)

In case you guys missed it the election is over, you lost, their side won. They sorta have nothing to campaign for at the moment. I'm sure they will be involved in the campaign this time around, your side has been steady campaigning. How's all that working for you? Any new law suits filed that will get laughed out of court?

your side has been steady campaigning. How's all that working for you?

#7 | Posted by NoGov4Me at 2010-02-09 02:57 PM

LOL! How ironic!
The only true accomplishment from OFA's first year, they say, is the work it's done to build a national infrastructure for the president's 2012 re-election campaign.
Appears your side is, also, steadily campaigning.

They sorta have nothing to campaign for at the moment.
Posted by NoGov4Me

Somebody should let the President know.

#9 | Posted by wisgod at

No, I think he knows his address, he doesn't even need to write it on his hand. LOL

Question: What Happened to Obama's Grass-Roots Revolution?

Answer: www.lewiston.k12.id.us

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at

Now isn't that a nice little kick in the nuts. LOL

:>)

They realized that the grass was only greener on his side cause he was FULL OF SHIT

Question: What Happened to Obama's Grass-Roots Revolution?
Answer: www.lewiston.k12.id.us
#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-02-09 05:10 PM

Now isn't that a nice little kick in the nuts. LOL
#12 | Posted by NoGov4Me at 2010-02-09 05:19 PM

I can't imagine why you think a picture of the White House would be a kick in the nuts to all the volunteers (for Obama) disappointed that he kicked them to the curb in favor of old school politics. They were, after all, trying to get Obama elected.

I thought it was funny how the day before Brown's victory, my local paper ran a story on a 'grass roots' organization that was working out of Philly to support the dem canidate. It reeked of dirty money bankrolling 'grass roots' people who were not even from there.

www.philly.com

tea parties are igm=nored and/or chastised, but the press LOVES obama backers.

Republicans protesters = Obstructionists

Dem protesters = Dissent which Obama called (dem only) "The highest form of patriotism"

Republican protesters = Budget Hypocrits and Liars

Dem protesters = Weak and flaccid after an exciting election, kicked to the curb for old school politics (i.e., more of the same)

#16 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2010-02-09 05:43 PM

FTFY

If I were them, I'd instead issue a statement saying that the GOP has concluded there is no good faith attempt on the behalf of the administration or the Democrats toward bi-partisanship in the summit citing their refusal to reset the debate and include the GOP from the beginning.

And seeing that you have always put down republicans, your insult matters little. BUT your description of the dems (of which you are one) is spot on, and people should notice!

Also funny how you can dismiss Obama's exact words!!!!

They were, after all, trying to get Obama elected.

#15 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at

They did a little more than try, kinda the point of posting the pict....

Nevermind. Just nevermind.

They were mostly made up of unlikely voters, they call them that for a reason.

Remember 30 million likely voters did not vote in 2008, I suspect they will be back in the 2010, and 2012, and they won't be voting for the Democrats.

They did a little more than try, kinda the point of posting the pict....

Nevermind. Just nevermind.

#21 | Posted by NoGov4Me at 2010-02-09 06:45 PM

My point, of course, was obvious (at least to your average reader). It's not republicans who are asking the questions in the article about where the grass-roots revolution went. It's liberals and former Obama volunteers, to whom answering the question with a pic of the white house would not feel like a blow in the nuts. Odd that I had to explain that to you.

I can't imagine why you think a picture of the White House would be a kick in the nuts to all the volunteers (for Obama) disappointed that he kicked them to the curb in favor of old school politics. -- #15 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Then you didn't read the article carefully. The whole point was that the 13-mil army expected to remain involved in the political process AFTER he was elected, and instead they were shut out:

"At the end of the campaign, we entered into an implied contract with Obama," says Marta Evry, who served as a regional field organizer in California for the campaign. "He was going to fight for change, and we were going to fight with him."

...In what Sifry decries as a case of "criminal political negligence," Obama's grass-roots network effectively went dark for two months after Election Day, failing to engage activists eager for their new marching orders. "The movement moment," he says, "was lost."

The whole point was that the 13-mil army expected to remain involved in the political process AFTER he was elected, and instead they were shut out:

#24 | Posted by Phoenix at 2010-02-09 10:33 PM

Yes, I know. Speaking of not reading things carefully, the part of my post you apparently missed, but quoted anyway...

to all the volunteers (for Obama) disappointed that he kicked them to the curb in favor of old school politics.

#25 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Sorry. Sleepy, and the sarcasm went right by me.

No prob, I know that feeling!

"Answer: www.lewiston.k12.id.us"
#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Nice picture by the way. One can imagine how independent "Lewiston Independent School District #1" really is.

Barak Hussein Obama
Mmm, mmm, mm

Grass roots? LOL.

Obama is a blatant sellout to anyone who gave his campaign alot of money - Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, unions, etc.

grass roots i like:

www.youtube.com

everything else i cast a suspicious eye upon.

sheep like to eat grass.

I KNOW
I KNOW
I KNOW

a lot are back to DRINKING PONG games and looking for pussy in college

a lot are back on the 'protest circuit'

a lot are NOW WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT

and a lot are independents who said...hey....whats this lever????? (Im joking)....

Oboner peed on the 'grass'....it died..!!!

Yeah, if only he could fly all those Germans over here to look good again... that's a lot of free beer and sausage though.

What happened???

Rahm Emanuel happened.

When a parabolic high of unreality is created, the fall to earth is astonishingly quick and devastating never again to be rekindled---there was a moment in time when a new example could have been set and it was lost in the oblivion of usual politics, interest groups, and backroom deals---another young and exuberant naive generation was brought back to reality and earth --Rahm and his buddies had the last laugh.

Hope and Change has gone the way of 8 track tapes, beta video players, electronic typewriters, pay phones and the list goes on....

He tried to be Bi-Partisan. That always pisses off the voting base. And it failed.

Now do it like a Republican: Hell with the rules, do whatever you want.

Most people who say they want bi-partisan really mean they want the other side to abandon all their beliefs and cave in. We have lost where "compromise" meant both sides give something up in the name of finding common ground.

Most people who say they want bi-partisan really mean they want the other side to abandon all their beliefs and cave in. We have lost where "compromise" meant both sides give something up in the name of finding common ground.

#38 | Posted by kanrei

I have more confidence now that we'll get a healthcare bill then before and it'll probably be a better one then the one that was borne out of backroom deals and the like---it'll also probably be budget responsible---we'll all have to start to give and that's fine with me.

Slowly but surely is the way to go with anything. Too much too fast leaves little time for reflection.

It was a brilliant campaign by the Dems, unfortunately for them they won and now everyone can see how badly they govern.

Linking Obama with grassroots anything is delusional....now, big unions and big corporations, that's another matter...

The problem is that today's average voter has the election process confused with American Idol. For a few weeks, people are very focused on "their" candidate, but after the win, only a diehard core fan base actually supports the winner. Some do garner more post-win support than others, but most don't get that much.

Right now, I'd say we've got President Taylor Hicks.

He got elected. They did the job they set out to do.

Mission Accomplished!

it died when he sold out to the corporations same as the other fuckers.

pigs at the trough.

"It was a brilliant campaign by the Dems, unfortunately for them they won and now everyone can see how badly they govern."

They haven't declared any new unnecessary wars or passed any more tax cuts for millionaires so they are still doing better than the Republicans.
We do see though that Republicans sure do know how to filibuster.

Yeah see, Repubes would like Obama a lot better if he would just follow Sarah!'s advice and GW's example and find a country to go to war with to assure his second term.

He could still do a Rovian August "product roll-out", eh?

As long as Obama has Danni and Corky he'll be fine. Come November,though, he may be pretty lonely in DC. But no matte what he fucks up, or how bad, he'll always have those two.

-But no matte(sic) what he fucks up,

Let's leave your parents out of this.

In case you guys missed it the election is over, you lost, their side won.

#7 | Posted by NoGov4Me

Damn, I thought there was one every 2 years. I didn't know the last one was the FINAL one.

"we do see though that Republicans sure do know how to filibuster." Danni

So why does that matter? Dems have not needed one of their votes to pass anything and they still can't pass anything. Oh wait, they named a few post offices.

find a country to go to war with to assure his second term.

#47 | Posted by Corky

He's got Iran waiting in the wings----don't count that possibility out.

Obama is finding that it is far easier to make promises that gets him votes than to buck Israel, Wall St and K street.

Can you say "Buyers Remorse?"

The people now realize that they elected an Empty Suit. Here's to 2012!

Buyer's remorse, for sure. A lot of people thought they were voting for a moderate. After getting elected, he moved way too far to the left.

corporate democrat = republican.

#55 = marketing cocksucker

Are you tired of the outrageous government spending yet? Obama is leading our country to financial ruin. Buyer's remorse, for sure.

By the way, how's that hope and change working for you?

Yeah see, Repubes would like Obama a lot better if he would just follow Sarah!'s advice and GW's example and find a country to go to war with to assure his second term.

he pushed a healthcare bill that was a republican's dream...full of pork and payoffs to big pharma and insurance companies....and he supported these financial insitution bailouts too.

He also ordered 30,000 troops to the ME.

sounds very republican to me.

and the "repubes" still don't like him you idiot.

Obama too far to the left? Are you for real with that?

He talks far left but what has he done that is not moderate to right, he is the same as George Bush, Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Ronnie. Some surface differences but ultimately they mean as much as his skin color does (for the racists in the crowd that means not much)

Obama's popularity is fading. You can only go so far with rhetoric before the electors start expecting results. And, the results of his policies haven't been good at all. The economy is still struggling, and our national debt is skyrocketing. Our nation's future is in trouble. We need to elect a conservative Congress in the midterms to stop Obama from completely destroying our country.

How about we all vote for some random people with no political experiance? What would happen to a congress with 1/3 of it's members being independant citizens rather than profesional partisans?

You may say I'm just a dreamer but I'm not the only one.

What Happened to Obama's Grass-Roots Revolution?

I think somebody smoked it. Don't look at me! I always eat Doritos's dipped in Twinkies.

Simple answer......real Americans tea bagged the marxist and thief. You know he has to be constipated with all of the left media's heads stuck up his ass. And chris matthews humping his leg to keep that love tingle going.

Tutamen Deus

What Happened to Obama's Grass-Roots Revolution?

It was a grass "revolution" alright...all that's left is a giant hangover and empty treasury.

Sometimes the grass grows up and finds out Churchill was right:

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

Probably a spurious Churchill "quote," although this one's real enough:

"Liberalism is not socialism, and never will be... Liberalism has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly"
Winston Churchill, 1908
www.winstonchurchill.org

good churchill quote. seriously.

there should be lines drawn between liberalism and socialism.

Bearing in mind that the quote is over a century old. I think Churchill's talking about classical liberalism (in fact, I can't imagine what else he would've been talking about back in Britain in 1908).

People realized he's in the pockets of corporate america, just as deep as the rest of the lying class.
In short, he is a frauds' fraud. Just another pos claiming to be in "public service", while in reality he's been sucking at the teat of the taxpayers since day one. His supporters keep claiming he chose public service over private, but, well, no he hasnt. He has already done more for the lying class, than he ever could have if employed directly by them. His pay-off will come to him the same as the rest.
A subversive, lying pos. The calling card of the lying class.

He got elected. They did the job they set out to do.

Mission Accomplished!

#44 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-02-10 03:56 PM | Flag: Didn't read the article; retarded

I think one thing that happened is the big issue, health care reform, isn't on the radar for young people.

Many young people are still covered by their parent's plans, or have some sort of coverage at their institutions of higher learning. In either case the costs are hidden from them, so they seldom see firsthand what the problem is. And they're too young to be in poor health, so the issue doesn't much resonate with them in the first place.

Someone should have explained it to them.

Because OFA failed to mobilize the American people to confront the insurance companies, it allowed industry-funded Republicans, like former House majority leader Dick Armey, to foment a revolt by the Tea Partiers, whose anger dominated the news.

WE are demoralized. But, not gone. And remember who WE are? The Middle Class. Who is under assault in this country right now? The Middle Class. WE might just be very busy trying to survive the worst economic disaster in history.

If Obama had kept the ball rolling on Health Care reform and had not caved in to the special interests then WE would still be fully engaged. All it requires is some leadership with the balls to take on the issues that matter to US.

What backfired, it turns out, was ceding populist outrage on health care to the far right. Because OFA failed to mobilize the American people to confront the insurance companies, it allowed industry-funded Republicans, like former House majority leader Dick Armey, to foment a revolt by the Tea Partiers, whose anger dominated the news. Stewart, the director of OFA, says the failure to anticipate last summer's town-hall ragefest was his.

Welcome to the Corporate States of America. Big bucks wins again.

We are still here though. And we are just waiting...

Damn, I thought there was one every 2 years. I didn't know the last one was the FINAL one.

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-02-10 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, it's every 4 years. It does say 'Obama' does it not? Last I knew, he was President.

#46 Danni> They haven't declared any new unnecessary wars or passed any more tax cuts for millionaires so they are still doing better than the Republicans.

Very kind of you to overlook spending gazillions of dollars and adding horrific amounts of debt that our offspring will have to pay at some point. You know, the stuff you complained about under GW's watch ... when the dollar amounts involved were much smaller.

The Grass roots dies because the president forgot to water the lawn.

And we are just waiting...

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-11 02:00 PM

Because Obama kicked you to the curb in favor of old school politics and back room deals. You know, the point of the article.

Obama was elected because he was black enough (actually more Arab), and had no negro dialect unless he wanted one. For an hour Chris Matthews even thought he wasn't black (he said with a giggle and a twinkle in his eye). He turned out to be a Chicago huslta' who had his pedigree handed to him because of his ethnicity. At least W's silver spoon was transparent.

So he didn't earn his pedigree by being intelligent and a hardworker? By your explanation all minorities should be doing well.

They all turned 21 and discovered beer. Next they will learn about taxes. Most will be gone forever after that.

So, I guess it's time for the Dems to start brainwashing the the next crop of useful idiots.

Chris Matthews even thought he wasn't black (he said with a giggle and a twinkle in his eye)

Apparently one scotch away from shitting himself....

"Liberalism is not socialism, and never will be... Liberalism has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly"
Winston Churchill, 1908

----------

there are no real liberals in power nor corporate media.

NOT ONE.

"What Happened to Obama's Grass-Roots Revolution?"

It died the day he won the primary. Everyone knows this.

They haven't declared any new unnecessary wars or passed any more tax cuts for millionaires so they are still doing better than the Republicans.

Which Bush wars were unnecessary at the time they were declared? Seems based on the senate vote on authorization for the use of force that a democrat president would have declared war in Iraq too.

Actually I retract the second part of that post. For some reason I thought the vote on the Iraq resolution had more dems in favor than it actually did. 42% of democrat senators voted against it.

So he didn't earn his pedigree by being intelligent and a hardworker? By your explanation all minorities should be doing well.

#78 | Posted by jackass

Well, his grades were sealed so one has to assume. Most of his classmates don't know anything about him either. Just because someone can speak doesn't mean they're intelligent. Look at Olbermann; bye bye retard...

"With his ratings in free-fall, and his hateful histrionics reaching new highs, even Olbermann's former supporters on the left are tuning out."

www.nypost.com

And we are just waiting...

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-11 02:00 PM

Because Obama kicked you to the curb in favor of old school politics and back room deals. You know, the point of the article.

#76 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

The article has a point so do I.

And my point is WE are not gone. WE are right here waiting to see what Obama does now. You guys act like Health Care is dead and Obama is on the ropes and his Presidency is over. The guy is a political genius and he already kicked your asses once. Yes, we are demoralized by the reality of what has happened. He underestimated the REthugs on Health Care. But, I think most of us believe he really can do it (again).

WE expended a lot of energy and capital to get him to where he is and now WE are just waiting to see if we backed the right horse or WE just got fooled again.

It is his move. So far he seems to be moving in the right direction. Only time will tell. But, it ain't over until it's over LoD. The fat hasn't sung yet and he has 3 more years and probably 7 more years to get er done.

Go ahead and dismiss him as a lame duck and pretend he is down for the count.

You already made THAT mistake once.

fat LADY hasn't sung yet...sheese

When Obama was campaigning, he said "no one making under 250K would have a cent of their taxes raised". Now, however, he is "agnostic" as to whether taxes should be raised on said people, which means those fools need to grab their wallets which are about to be emptied by this demagogue.

So many tried to warn those caught up in the myth, and were dismissed as bigots, racists, stupid.

But now so many see that Obama is just another in a long line of so-called wannabe political saviors who will sell anyone out for his own power and political survival.

The guy is a political genius and he already kicked your asses once. Yes, we are demoralized by the reality of what has happened. He underestimated the REthugs on Health Care. But, I think most of us believe he really can do it (again).

The Republicans didn't defeat healthcare. The Democrats did. Obama has proven to be a lousy legislature. Thats what you get for electing a guy with a couple years experience in the Senate.

Yea he is a political genius. He showed it in Virginia, NJ, and Mass.

Rahm is stashing the cash and Barrack is waffling.

Rahm is stashing the cash and Barrack is waffling.

The article has a point so do I.
#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-11 08:27 PM
Sure you do.
And my point is WE are not gone. WE are right here waiting to see what Obama does now. You guys act like Health Care is dead and Obama is on the ropes and his Presidency is over. The guy is a political genius and he already kicked your asses once. Yes, we are demoralized by the reality of what has happened. He underestimated the REthugs on Health Care. But, I think most of us believe he really can do it (again).
#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-11 08:27 PM
God damn you're a fucking retard.

A) I haven't said healthcare is dead, you stupid fucking idiot. In fact, on this thread: www.drudge.com I can be seen discussing how it might pass with a public option.

B) Have I ever said his presidency was over? Or is that just another stupid fucking invention of yours?

C) You say he's a political genius, right before saying he underestimated Republicans. What a stupid fucking conflict you have there. Also, Paul Krugman (one of the shit stains you liberal fucks worship) thinks Obama is a clueless fucking dipshit, hardly a "genius." krugman.blogs.nytimes.com Really, I hope you enjoy the story of Obama touting his corporate influence.

You're a dumb shit who didn't read article, or didn't comprehend it. One or the other. The article isn't about right wingers bashing Obama, it's about hopeful little shit stains sad that he kicked them to the curb for old school politics (something he was supposed to change, remember?) This is from the author of "The Machinery of Hope." Your whole rant was pointless, and retarded.

The fat hasn't sung yet
#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-11 08:27 PM
Fuck, you're one stupid cunt.

BTW, nothing personal Donnerboy, you clueless shit stain, I'm just drunk and posting. Bad combo, imo.

Which Bush wars were unnecessary at the time they were declared?

If you can't figure that out you best see a doctor about the little memory problem Joe Blow from Calaho, Idaho.

I love it the way barely a year into Obama's first term the pubbies have already declared him and his ambitions a dismal failure.

One thing is for certain, this country is screwed if we can't at least get behind the leaders we elected by majority rule. They can't even call this a stolen election the majority was so over the top.

Now what we have is a minority party of cry babies all wetting their training pants because the country hasn't rebounded from some of the poorest decision making in the history of the United States, in a short 13 months. You sniveling snots get more pathetic every day.

I love it the way barely a year into Obama's first term the pubbies have already declared him and his ambitions a dismal failure

How is your mail order bride doing?

fat LADY hasn't sung yet...sheese

#87 | Posted by donnerboy

She sure has lost a lot of weight though.

...the [Churchill] quote is over a century old. I think Churchill's talking about classical liberalism (in fact, I can't imagine what else he would've been talking about back in Britain in 1908). -- #68 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

And who knows what he meant by "socialism"? 1908 pre-dates Lenin's work by a few years, and pre-dates democratic socialism in Europe by a lot.

Turns out it was astroturf(tm):

Looks good, but is really artificial and causes injuries to many...

#98 | Posted by Phoenix

Absolutely agree with you, Phoenix. I mean, when Churchill's talking about "Libralism" in 1908 he's probably thinking along lines influenced by John Stuart Mill. And the whole "Socialism" thing, very complex. Which, of course, is why listing quotes from the distant past is so often an all but meaningless exercise, e.g., much of the stuff recycled from the "Founding Fathers." (It's difficult enough knowing what presentday folk are talking about!)

God damn you're a fucking retard.

I haven't said healthcare is dead, you stupid fucking idiot.

Or is that just another stupid fucking invention of yours?

You say he's a political genius, right before saying he underestimated Republicans. What a stupid fucking conflict you have there.

You're a dumb shit who didn't read article, or didn't comprehend it.

BTW, nothing personal Donnerboy, you clueless shit stain, I'm just drunk and posting.

Well it is going to be hard to address such a well thought out posting. I try and will put as much thought into my reply that you did.

Here goes.

Dick.

Dick.

#101 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-12 11:54 AM

Says the dumb shit who assigns positions and deflects from the article.

Says the dumb shit who assigns positions and deflects from the article.

#102 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

ooo did you sober up? we done with our tribal formalities? Care to discuss the ACTUAL topic now?

kewl!

better hurry it's friday nite and you won't be sober much longer!

Care to discuss the ACTUAL topic now?

#103 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-02-12 08:03 PM

That would be difficult, since you are apparently incapable of staying on topic and of not assigning positions.

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