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Monday, February 08, 2010

The Obama administration is forming the Climate Service, a new government agency within the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that will study and report on the changing climate. The NOAA also will be launching a web site to share climatic data from the agency and other sources.

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I take pleasure in knowing that this will cause orgasmic screams of faux-outrage to rightwingers everywhere.

Moder-h8 must be a closet republican. He is always telling us what republicans think and what they are going to do.

Goatman: Haven't DR posters already pointed out you are an idiot enough times for one day? In fact, haven't you already acknowledged that fact? And yet you keep posting...

In fact, haven't you already acknowledged that fact? And yet you keep posting...

Many times. (would you could be as honest). If you show me in the blog rules that idiots can't post, I'll quit right along with you.

Keep on whinin'!

Sincere question: Goatman, if you are an idiot and you acknowledge that you are an idiot, and that pretty much everyone else considers you to be an idiot, why do you post? Just wondering.

...why do you post?

I like making lefties whine. And they almost always do -- right on cue. I guess it's kinda neat knowing I can pull their strings through cyberspace. Maybe it's a power thing, I'm not sure. But at any rate, it's fun, so I do it.

An acknowledged and self-aware idiot is far smarter than most of those in denial around here. Places him in the top 10.

I thought that's what NOAA and the National Weather Service already did. Maybe we could put an agency inside the Interior Department, that would be responsible for maintaining the national parks.

The private economy might be contracting at a record pace, but the pedal is to the metal when it comes to government growth.

must be a closet republican.

LOL

Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud...

Goatman: So do you consider it "whining" when a leftie (or anyone else) points out you are an idiot? Just wondering.
And is your life really that empty that you find it "kinda neat" to troll a bunch of strangers on the internet who you have never met and never will meet? Or do you genuinely find fulfillment in this activity?

I wonder what is going to happen when an AMERICAN organization comes back and says: "yep, it's an issue and we need to do something NOW!!". Oh wait, I know what will happen. Nothing, as always.

I do find it funny that the right wing goes on endlessly about how we are piling debt onto our children and their children but when it comes time to talk about doing ANYTHING positive for the world we will be leaving those same children all you hear is crickets and bitching about how its all a sham. So let me get this straight; it's ok if the world is a boiling hole creeping closer to not being able to support life, but hey, the USA deficit is doing fine so every things hunky dory...

I love the selective outrage. Silly me, I'd rather my children were broke but alive.

In other news, the president today announced that a new agency would be created to oversee a committee of agencies that have committees to study the effects of committees on agencies and the usage of centralized central repositories of metadata on repositories of metadata on repositories of data and the sources. This agency will be called the:

DEPARTMENT OF REDUNDANCY DEPARTMENT

Congressional oversight of the agency will be provided by corpse-man John Murtha's committee, and will be modeled closely after the structure and policies of East Anglia U.


I'm willing to bet that this office, unlike Bush's office on climate change, won't be staffed with Oil Co. shills.

Silly me, I'd rather my children were broke but alive.

#11 | Posted by boyracer_x

* * * *

Congratulations. That's just what will happen.

And is your life really that empty that you find it "kinda neat" to troll a bunch of strangers on the internet who you have never met and never will meet?

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-08 04:27 PM | Reply

Are you serious? You're th guy that whines non-stop about this place and it's posters. Is your life so empty that you have to come back day after day and bitch about the same exact shit over and over?

Hell, you even pointed this place out to your brother. Then you were dumb enough to share his opinion with us.

Your lack of self awareness is stunning.

Congratulations. That's just what will happen.

#14 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-02-08 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Says the Amazing Kreskin.....c'mon...give us some of your brilliant predictions regarding Bush's economy. Seems you were so sure that Bush was going to do wonders.....oooopsy.

Huh...so we are setting up an agency whos only purpose is to prove global warming exsits...(or manufacture enough data to make it seem that way)

Do any of you think that they will try to prove it wrong?(and put themselves out of business?)

Another brilliant use of tax payer dollars....

"Congratulations. That's just what will happen."

That is my hope, and lucky for me (and my children and yours too) on the global stage you folks that say "nay" are right in the middle of a minor minority.

The Messiah thinks he can just create new federal bureaucracies without a bill passed by Congress. Oh yeh Barry there are some climate scientists from East Anglia University who will be without jobs soon. You can hire them for your new fake government agency.

Goatman: So do you consider it "whining" when a leftie (or anyone else) points out you are an idiot?

???

Why would I think it whining when someone states the truth? Do you ever think about the questions you ask before you ask them?

Wow! The earths climate is changing? We had better form a agency inside a agency and invite other agencies to find out what the heck is going on. We also will need more funding for grants for research so they to can join the concern for the benefit all people of earth! If we do all we can, I'm sure we can keep us safe. Free to live our happy little lives. This most desperate time in the history of mankind must be resolved no matter the cost!

And is your life really that empty that you find it "kinda neat" to troll a bunch of strangers on the internet who you have never met and never will meet?

Out here on the rig, yes, my life is indeed that empty.

I wonder, can't you, being on land, find anything better to do? Obviously you can't. So imagine being on a 180' by 210' platform in the middle of the gulf of mexico. There's a lot less to do here than in Southern California, believe it or not.

The agency will be located at Zat's pool.

Actually "BOY" we are in the majority...the minority is the idiots that met in Denmark and gave Chavez a standing ovation - which tipped everyone off to the fact that all of this is just political - and a way to obtain money.

Posted by goatman at 2010-02-08 04:47 PM | Reply

How's the fishing ( er, trolling ) ?

Weeeeeeeeeee

"A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies"

www.usa.gov

The new Department of Homeland Bullshit

"New Fed Agency Formed to Study Climate"
just an agency to help pad the global warming agenda

New Fed Agency Formed to Study Why Water Freezes

The [insert your favorite target name here] administration is forming the Solid Water Study Service, a new government agency within the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that will study and report on why water freezes. The NOAA also will be launching a web site to share this data from the agency and other sources. After all, somehow man has something to do with it, and we're going to get to the bottom of this because someone has to pay for it, says spokesman Al Gore. That's right. If it weren't for human activity on the planet, there would't be any ice! So we are going to tax you for making the temperature drop to the point where water freezes!

(Sorry, I just couldn't let something this silly go by... )

I thought that's what NOAA and the National Weather Service already did.

You thought whatever the talk show clowns tell you to think.

The agencies you mentioned will still do what they have always done. What the president wants to do is combine the weather and climate agencies into one. That way he can get some leadership in there that was not appointed by a moron like Bush who thinks qualifications are how well they play golf and how big their gun collection is.

Huh...so we are setting up an agency whos only purpose is to prove global warming exsits...(or manufacture enough data to make it seem that way)

Do any of you think that they will try to prove it wrong?(and put themselves out of business?)

Another brilliant use of tax payer dollars....

#17 | Posted by foshaffer

Actually, they won't be studying if Global Warming exists. Everyone already knows that it does except for a few conservatives who still think Moses ran with the dinosaurs.

It will study how climate change is occurring, what can be done to slow it, and how we can cope with it.

Actually "BOY" we are in the majority...the minority is the idiots that met in Denmark and gave Chavez a standing ovation - which tipped everyone off to the fact that all of this is just political - and a way to obtain money.

#24 | Posted by foshaffer

Which planet do you live on and is it nice there?

"what can be done to slow it"

Nothing.
Thanks to the morons, it's too late.

Climate Change Largely Irreversible For Next 1,000 Years
www.sciencedaily.com

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A

1800-1870
Level of carbon dioxide gas (CO2) in the atmosphere, as later measured in ancient ice, is about 290 ppm (parts per million).
Mean global temperature (1850-1870) is about 13.6C.

1896
Arrhenius publishes first calculation of global warming from human emissions of CO2.

1981
Election of Reagan brings backlash against environmental movement to power. Political conservatism is linked to skepticism about global warming.

2009
Many experts warn that global warming is arriving at a faster and more dangerous pace than anticipated just a few years earlier.
Level of CO2 in the atmosphere reaches 385 ppm.
Mean global temperature (five-year average) is 14.5C, the warmest in hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.
www.aip.org

they will be called the Gore-rillas.

Well we've already got the EPA, the NOAA, the Council on Environmental Quality, Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy, the National Weather Service, the National Oceanic Service, the US Arctic Research Commission, the Federal Geographic Data Committee, not to mention all the state, county, city and local environment or climate-related entities.

But hey, I'm guessing this "Climate Service" is filling a gap that those other agencies simply can't cover.

Let's hope that all the data is available and not cooked.....

But hey, I'm guessing this "Climate Service" is filling a gap that those other agencies simply can't cover.

Keep guessing joe. That's all you wingnuts do anymore. If you read the article instead of guessing you might actually be able to quit guessing. Problem is you would still draw your own predjudiced conclusion and of course you can't read all that well to begin with so you have to depend on 'highly educated' people like Limbaugh or Beck to do your thinking for you.

Posted by JOE at 2010-02-08 07:00 PM | Reply

You forgot the USFS and DOI, they have some weather tracking too.

Wonder if NASA is giving up their portion of the pot?

Cinnamon Ringmaster, I did read the article. While it says that some offices from the NOAA and NWS will be transferred to the new Climate Service, we can rest assured that this is a new agency which will receive federal funding year after year, and that the budgets of the NOAA and NWS will not be reduced accordingly. Anyone with a brain would realize this - but you're content to prattle on about Limbaugh and Beck. I don't pay attention to those morons, and perhaps you'd do well to do follow suit.

I'd rather my children were broke but alive.

#11 | Posted by boyracer_x at 2010-02-08 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boy's Motto: Aim Low! "Just think, kids! Someday you will get to eat cold beans in the dark! Then go to your dreary job sorting garbage at the recycling center!"

My children will be secure, with a good education, a global outlook and plenty of opportunity.

Why do we need this agency---I listen to my "climate change" expert every night and he/she is called a meteorologist---half the time they give me poor data just like the GW "experts"---tonight in Fla. another 39 degree night---doggone that GW.

"what can be done to slow it"

"Nothing...it's too late"

Well there you have it. Why should we waste any more effort on this subject at all?

The debate is over!

It's too late!

Next!

Wouldn't it be justice if only the deniers of GW had to suffer the consequences? Or conversely, if only believers in GW had to pay the costs of minimizing the impact, and therefore only they (and their offspring) enjoyed the benefits of avoiding the eventual environmental calamity. In a perfect world...

In a perfect world...

#44 | Posted by moder8

And wouldn't it be justice if gullable fools like you had to foot the bill for this horseshit? Oh, that's right. Your credit limit is much like the Countries....over extended.

#44 POSTED BY WISGOD: FLAG: Stupid Is As Stupid Does

>if only believers in GW had to pay the costs of minimizing the impact

You really are one of the simpler ones aren't you?

Newsflash: you and your cohort have no money.

Now start with that knowledge and tell us your brilliant solution again...

Ringmaster saw it on MSNBC, so it must be true.

Syco:

I live on this one with the rest of the population:

"When asked if they believe if global warming will pose a serious threat in their lifetime only 38 percent of Americans answered in the affirmative. Views vary widely by age, nearly half (47 percent) of Americans over 61 believe global warming is exaggerated, while 31 percent think it is exaggerated of those under thirty."

Looks like those with a little age and wisdom know better.

Joe, I assume your post #40 was directed to me. Like everything else you post you post you are wrong. I don't use the handle Cinnamon Ringmaster and I don't respond to dickheads with no brains with rational discussion. I only play head games with jokers like you because your such an easy target.

rightisright...I don't watch network TV. I got rid of the mind raper 10 years ago. I suggest you do the same before Fox News finishes off what's left of that decaying gray matter between your ears.

from the top...

"Moder-h8 must be a closet republican. He is always telling us what republicans think and what they are going to do."

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-08 03:58 PM

Nah...he just realizes what most non-Republicans realize, and which Republicans can't see for the life of them...
how utterly simplistic and clockwork predictable the sheeplike
rantings of the Right are concerning Environmental Change Denial...

I know, I know, it snowed somewhere so that means that Al Gore was wrong...
and the earth is not still getting hotter overall...
(btw the earth is still flat, gravity's not real,
and the moon landing was a Hollywood hoax)...

(continues to watch as the finely dressed frogs continue to croak and riddip in their gradually warming pot,
all so very proud of how intelligent they are, and how nothing bad
could never happen to them)...

still waitin for Jaysus to save them...

Nah...he just realizes what most non-Republicans realize, and which Republicans can't see for the life of them...

Actually, it is what he (and it appears you as well) don't realize that make him look like such an idiot. Both parties are the same. They both answer to their corporate masters. They both are interested only in the money.

I pity the partisans who can't recognize this simple truism. The more I see of it, the less hope I have that this country will ever get fixed. People like moder-h8 who openly, yes, every proudly, claim that they despise another human for no other reason that what they do in the voting booth scare me. They and their irrational hatred will be the downfall of this country.

Don't pat yourself on the back foshaffer. Age does not necessarily mean wisdom when it comes to politics or science. Especially the latter. Most old farts went to school before dial phones, transistors and color TV's. The majority still think Ronald Reagan should be elevated to sainthood and a black man should ride in the back of the bus. Your comments rarely if ever reflect modern views or ageless wisdom. Stick to what you do best, counting your pennies and leave the science to recently educated scientists.

This sentence:

The majority still think Ronald Reagan should be elevated to sainthood and a black man should ride in the back of the bus.
Followed by this sentence:
Your comments rarely if ever reflect modern views or ageless wisdom.LOL It's untrue that you can't make this stuff up, but why do it when you have people like ringo posting here?

screwed up blockquotes:

This sentence:

The majority still think Ronald Reagan should be elevated to sainthood and a black man should ride in the back of the bus.
Followed by this sentence:
Your comments rarely if ever reflect modern views or ageless wisdom.
LOL It's untrue that you can't make this stuff up, but why do it when you have people like ringo posting here?

Wouldn't it be justice if only the deniers of GW had to suffer the consequences? Or conversely, if only believers in GW had to pay the costs of minimizing the impact, and therefore only they (and their offspring) enjoyed the benefits of avoiding the eventual environmental calamity. In a perfect world...

#44 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-08 08:24 PM

I mostly agree but would also throw in the self righteous climate alarmists who consume just as much if not a tiny shred less than your average denier. My guess is you'd be included.

Washington D.C., a city encamped with cold and snow.
People prisoners in their houses now alarming.
Hear another two foot of snow with cold now in tow.
Oh, they ask, where is that global warming?

Ringmaster, Zatoichi, Earthmuse all three.
Watching glacier and climategates unfold.
Wishing the rest of us did not see.
How ridiculous and moronic their predictions foretold.

A thousand years from now under many climate changes cover.
When all of planet earth is still bountiful.
Global Warming hoax over this earth will no longer hover.
DRers not able to laugh and smirk at the big 3 since all will be dust and not held accountable.

Obama administration is forming the Climate Service, a new government agency within the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
presuming the staffing be "new hires" (jobs created), kudos to the Bamster . . .

short-lived kudos, as they will be temporary jobs cut by Palin in 2012

Wouldn't it be justice if only the deniers of GW ... blah blah blah

#44 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-08 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag: NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE HOUSE BUILT ON SAND

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New errors in IPCC climate change report

By Richard Gray and Ben Leach
Published: 9:00PM GMT 06 Feb 2010

The United Nations panel on climate change is facing fresh criticism today as The Sunday Telegraph reveals new factual errors and poor sources of evidence in its influential report to government leaders.

I don't use the handle Cinnamon Ringmaster

And yet you answered when called upon. Cinnamon Ringmaster it is.

I don't use the handle Cinnamon Ringmaster

But you are the Cinnamon Ringmaster.

Ten silver saxes, a bass with a bow...

The lawyer relaxes, and waits between posts....

How about "Ringmaster Raspberries over Peaches Foster".

Global Warming: As the late Carl Sagan said; Extraordinary claims, extraordinary proof.

I can't wait! It will go on and on for years! This age is the one I want my children to see! FAIL!

Typical Obama reaction. When you don't like the results, spend some Federal Money to produce the results you want.

#44 POSTED BY WISGOD: FLAG: Stupid Is As Stupid Does

#46 | Posted by moder8

The problem is retard, I posted #45. You posted #44, waterhead. Comprehension, much like you is a bitch.

After they have proclaimed what was going to happen for 40 years, now they are finally going to study it...

Sounds about like evolution:
Let's invent a theory and then try and find something that looks like amissing link.

about right for elitist professors without common sense.

As usual the right wing nut cases have all got together to shout insults and call names. Just like good little tea baggers.

...and they wonder why their tea party is now the laughing stock of the nation.

No intelligent discussion here folk. Move along.

As usual the right wing nut cases have all got together to shout insults and call names. Just like good little tea baggers.

#68 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-02-09 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag: Oh, the irony

No intelligent discussion here folk. Move along.

You've certainly got that right.

Cinnamon Ringmaster, for someone who whines about a desire for "intelligent discussion," you certainly seem to point threads away from that direction. Your posts have a template: Quote a rightwinger, tell them they are just like all the other "wingnuts," and accuse them of listening to Rush Limbaugh or watching Fox News.

You could always respond to the argument in post#40 if you wanted an "intelligent discussion." But you're content to follow your template, likely because you are braindead. Suit yourself.

I'm willing to bet that this office, unlike Bush's office on climate change, won't be staffed with Oil Co. shills.

#13 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Did Bush have an office of climate change? little o's office will be loaded with greenies. Go figure.

little o's office will be loaded with greenies. Go figure.

Well that's a twist. Sniper actually got something right. That's what really bugs him. Obama will actually put people in charge that know something about the issues. How can he fault them if they are real men of science running the circus?

When are you phony conservatives going to realize you are not doing anyone any favors. Wasting resources is not a plan of action. Building more power plants is counter productive these days. You can't deny we are in the 21'st century any longer. It's 2010 already.

When are you libs going to realize some people have been cooking the books to make huge profits on global warming? Hardly a week goes buy that another GW scam is revealed.

You got lost temperature records, temperature probes next to heat sources, endangered polar bears that have increased their numbers by 5x in the last 30 years, glaciers that are melting that arn't, colder winters in the artic, the list goes on.

The cock sucker in chief creating new jobs

Your Stimulus dollars at work!!

In case you watched the President the other night and wonder
what window company it was that he was talking about.

It's interesting to see this country
going "green" and how new jobs are developed.

Unbelievable must see!!!


www.youtube.com

#73

Duh! You just now figured out how government works? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. How does it feel to get screwed for a change? I can't say the other window companies did ask for it. You have to ask yourself, "Who were they supporting when Bush was in office?" So far Bush was the king of crony capitalism, a throne no president could ever topple.

Zat...Please, PLEASE don't commit harakiri over all this. I know you've had a bad year or so but relax, wait it out. In a couple of years we may have another hot Summer and you can rejuvenate your global warming movement...or climate change...or whtever you and your little friends wanna call it. Just don't hurt yourself, OK? We would miss you here on the DR. You and Buffaloed_Boob are stalwarts for us here on the DR.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Actually, post #75 was meant for #74, but if the shoe fits you can both wear it.

did we get the ozone hole fixed and how did that get put on the back burner? we were all suppose to be dead by now.

It is obvious from the posts of the nay sayers and the party of NO! that you have no idea what NOAA and the National Weather Service do for you. NOAA is an agency that actually works and provides reall value for the taxpayer dollar. That would go against your belief that all government workers are lazy and produce no product of value.

It also seems to me that what really pisses you off is that if we are creating an entire agency to deal with Climate Change then you are going to have to admit Cimate Change is real or you are forced to denigrate the agency to save face.

Since you cannot face reality you deny it and try to ridicule those who are working to deal with it.

This!

From the testimony of Dr. Jane Lubchenco Testifying to Congress.

THE EARTH'S CLIMATE IS CHANGING
There is unequivocal evidence that the Earth is warming. This warming can be seen in increases in global-average surface air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, rising sea level, and changes in many other climate-related variables and impacts.1 Most of the observed increases in global temperatures since the mid-20th century are very likely due to human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases.

The prospects of such climate changes have profound implications for a global society, underscoring the need for scientific information to aid decision-makers in developing and evaluating options for mitigating future anthropogenic climate change as well as alternatives for adapting to a changing climate.

Within the United States, extensive climate-related changes have been documented over the last century. These include increases in continental-average temperatures, rising sea levels in many coastal locations, an increased frequency of extreme heavy rainfall events, lengthening of the growing season, earlier snowmelt, and altered river flow volumes. Water is an issue in every region, but the nature of the potential impact varies. Drought is a serious problem in many regions, especially in the West and Southeast; and floods and water quality problems are likely to be amplified by climate change in most regions.

For example, the amount of rain falling in the heaviest downpours has increased approximately 20 percent on average in the past century, and this trend is very likely to continue, with the largest increases in the wettest places. Many types of extreme weather events, such as heat waves and regional droughts, have become more frequent and intense during the past 40 to 50 years.

As a nation, our economic and social well-being is intricately tied to weather and climate; this relationship produces significant social and economic benefits and costs.

Some examples include:

Coral reefs world wide are among the ecosystems of highest risk of extreme degradation due to climate change. In 2002, Hawaii's coral reefs, when combining recreational, amenity, fishery, and biodiversity values, were estimated to have direct economic benefits of $360 million/year.2
Drought is estimated to result in average annual losses to all sectors of the economy of between $6-8 billion.3,4
Average annual damage from tornadoes, hurricanes, and floods is $11.4 billion, of which:

hurricanes average $5.1 billion and 20 deaths per year;

floods account for $5.2 billion, and average over 80 deaths per year, and

tornadoes cause $1.1 billion in damages.5
These examples of current weather and climate impacts are why the future effects of climate change matter.

Sorry if they used too many big words for you.

Maybe she shoulda just said, "Wake Up Retards!"

I hear that is how the rethugs like to be talked to.

Fucking marxists, pissing away money on worthless voodoo bullshit. So, in what way are these new clowns going to fuc....fudge the numbers to give the shithead and lying thief in the white house more mouthing points to fuck Americans out of the wealth that they WORKED for?
Is anyone keeping a tab for all these wealth redistribution schemes these fucking liars come up with? It's like I always say, marxists serve no purpose to society other than to bleed it dry, they keep trying to come up with ways to justify their worthless pathetic existence, PARASITES.
saul alinsky was a fucking mentally challenged braindead fuck.

Tutamen Deus

Donnerboy, you obviously didn't notice that not once during her speech did the fine Doctor show any proof that any of that was happening or that it was in any way connected to "global warming." More recent admissions by the GW advocates have shown that ice isn't melting as fast as they said, temperature data has been manipulated, droughts are not happening after all, and weather such as hurricanes are near historic lows. No doubt the good Doctor got much of her information from the IPCC report, which is daily coming under fire. She can't even point to anything being man caused. At the very least it's time to insist on true peer reviewed science and legitimate connections between man's activities and any supposed temperature rise. It's time for the Global Warming faithers to own up to the fact that without real science they don't have an argument.

At the very least it's time to insist on true peer reviewed science and legitimate connections between man's activities and any supposed temperature rise. It's time for the Global Warming faithers to own up to the fact that without real science they don't have an argument.

Jim

She doesn't have to provide proof anything to you or Congress in the speech. Her data is online and can be checked by anyone and I am quite certain everything she said is supported by the evidence or she wouldn't say it.

Your "wedge strategy" has been debunked many times yet you insist on still trying to use it. Just because some data is inaccurate does not mean ALL the data is inaccurate. One missing link does not prove evolution is not happening. Just as one piece of inaccurate data does not mean Global Warming is not happening.

Is the Arctic ice cap shrinking or expanding?

Admit it. It is shrinking. Since 1979 it has shrunk about 20%. When they start to expand by 20% get back with me.

All of the data NOAA uses is peer reviewed. It is not a faith based but is based on actual evidence. Some of that evidence is not perfect. Weather is not a perfect science. Gathering temperatures over an extended period of time is not easy. But Global warming is a fact. It is happening.

Dispute any "fact" you want in her speech. I will bet there is nothing there to dispute. It is all based on scientifically reviewed data or she would not nor can she legally testify it to Congress otherwise. Maybe you can have her charged with contempt of Congress if you can point out where she is lying.

All I see here is a bunch of SarahSpeak.

#79 ...a classic example of a toilet mouth argument. Trust me on this, you'll never be asked to testify before congress.

#80...If you can't understand the evidence already presented by the biggest global science exchange in history, offering more will do dummies like you no good anyway. I suggest you quit complaining and start doing your own research. Nobody is going to care what you think anyway when the evidence itself is overwhelming. You know the old saying, lead, fall in line or shut the fuck up. Talking stupid will get you nothing but another tea party hangover.

#79 ...a classic example of a toilet mouth argument. Trust me on this, you'll never be asked to testify before congress

Are you talking to me?

I am a toilet mouth because I used the R (Retard) word?

And please... I hope I never have to testify before Congress!

#84 - I think Ringmaster got the post numbers wrong. You're post was obviously not toilet mouth, though the following post most certainly was. And Ring is always harping at me since I schooled him on "poisonous" CO2. While the Doctor has interesting points, they are little more than opinions, other than a few facts like the polar ice caps. But the reality is that the evidence toward GW is decreasing each day. Many on the left simply refuse to accept the incredible holes opening up, particularly in the IPCC report, where many, including NOAA, get their information. If the information is crap, the opinions based on those facts are crap. The biggest hole of all, though, is the fact that no one can explain how a trace gas, barely 0.038% of the atmosphere, can cause everything the GW nuts are blaming on it. (terrible grammar) You seem so much more grounded than many others, I'm really surprised you don't have much more of a suspicious nature toward the GW crowd.

Sorry donnerboy, I was talking about #80 by right nut and #81 by the infamous spokanejim.

It should have been obvious. Rightnut has this thing about using foul language to prove a point. It's caused by poor toilet training and bad political influence.

I got news for spokanejim, you couldn't school kindergarten. First you have to go to school and get a high school diploma. Then its six years to get your masters, even then you have to be able look beyond the right wing talk show hosts. The "liberal" teachers would laugh you out of the place.

"when the evidence itself is overwhelming"

That was in the 30's: wiki.nsdl.org

These idiots make the evidence for mass stupidity overwhelming: www.madisonpubliclibrary.org

It's time for the Global Warming faithers to own up to the fact that without real science they don't have an argument.

#81 | Posted by SpokaneJim

Yep, time for real science and a prospective study instead of hypothetics and junk science.

Yep, time for real science and a prospective study instead of hypothetics and junk science.

Talk is cheap here matsop. Let's see your real science.

It's time the deniers faced the real facts. They can all recite a half a dozen discrepancies in climate science, but not one definitive peer reviewed study to prop up their insistence of heresy. They put down intellectual types because they know they can never be one.

Einstein once said, "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."

I put a lot more faith in what Einstein said then anyone in violent opposition to these facts.

www.appinsys.com

"It's time the deniers faced the real facts. They can all recite a half a dozen discrepancies in climate science, but not one definitive peer reviewed study to prop up their insistence of heresy. They put down intellectual types because they know they can never be one" #90 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-02-09 11:53 PM

The arrogance of this statement speaks for itself. What bullshit. Talk about self deluded.

Not that you will understand above is the link to temperature trends from satellite data. It speaks for itself -especially the last statement at the bottom.

"According to the global data sets, the Earth has warmed about 0.3 0.4 degrees in the last 30 years. This is less than the measurement error of temperature recording devices."

LESS THAN THE MEASUREMENT ERROR OF THE RECORDING DEVICES.

By the way ...

www.geocraft.com

CO2 INCREASES LAGS temperature change by 800 years!

www.scotese.com

And we are in one of the coolest periods in geological history.

But none of this matters to you who 1) think you know more - but actually know less - than the rest of us 2) Like the idea of blaming America / Humans 3) Believe in the "evils" of capitalism and need to blame some catastrophy on it

Human caused global warming is bogus science that anyone that passed 8th grade science understands....how come you don't?


New Fed Agency Formed to Study Climate

Too freakin' ironic that the gubbermints been shut down due to a blizzard every since making the announcement...

...instead of hypothetics and junk science.

#88 | Posted by matsop

you mean like Intelligent Design and ghosts and angels, demonology and life after death and such?

Hey, ZAT, quick! Please, Zat...please consult your scientific, peer-reviewed pool and see if this is what we can expect for the next century or so. The weather here in East Tennessee was supposed to be "flurries" today. It's four degrees, snowing like hell and windy. Coldest I've seen since I've lived here. Just can't rely on these bureaucrat "scientists" to get it right. We can only rely on your pool for accurate, unaltered data and predictions. OwlGore better keep his ass in Copenhagen or somewhere because the "home boy" might be lynched if he comes back here. He should probably avoid D.C. too.

"Bryan Jackson of the National Weather Service said as of 7 a.m. Wednesday, 5.2 inches of snow had fallen since Tuesday at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport. That brings the total snowfall since December to 65.6 inches and is the most since record-keeping began in Baltimore in 1893. The previous record, from 1995-96, was 62.5 inches."

www.usatoday.com

www.usatoday.com

Many on the left simply refuse to accept the incredible holes opening up, particularly in the IPCC report, where many, including NOAA, get their information.

I am sorry you are bassackwards in your understanding of how the IPCC and NOAA works.

NOAA (and the National Weather Serivice) monitors the climate and creates its own data. That data is shared freely with everyone. Everyone (including you) has an opportunity to examine that data and use it for whatever purposes they desire. That data is also used by the IPCC (and practically everyone). Not the other way around.

You are probably one of the Rethugs who thinks, "Why do we need a Weather Service, after all, we have the Weather Channel!

Ask the Weather Channel (or the IPCC) how many Doppler Radars, Satellites and NOAA Weather Radios they own and manage. Not to mention the millions of weather sensors and buoys deployed all over the world.

And, of course, we at least should mention the Fleet of NOAA ships that explore our vast oceans and continually improve our knowledge and abilities to maintain those natural resources for future generations.

The IPCC does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change, its observed and projected impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.

www.nws.noaa.gov

"I got news for spokanejim, you couldn't school kindergarten. First you have to go to school and get a high school diploma. Then its six years to get your masters, even then you have to be able look beyond the right wing talk show hosts. The "liberal" teachers would laugh you out of the place."

You're almost funny, Ringnut. Just a Masters, uh? No wonder you're still stumbling around in the dark. Tell us again how poisonous CO2 is, we could all use a laugh this morning.

" Tell us again how poisonous CO2 is "

Why don't you breathe a 5% concentration and find out.

"Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis...

Seeing as how they've been assessing on data that has been subjective (and altered) and NOT open or transparent, and certainly NOT comprehensive because they have ignored the data from Zat's pool:

"....the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change, its observed and projected impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation."

Scientific? The Himalayan glacier literature was scientific? Technical? Maybe now they can predict how much colder it's gonna get if we decrease CO2 emissions and wreck the economy some more. The whole thing is one huge scam and we are idiots to even CONSIDER a stupid plan like Cap and Trade when it's obvious that SOMEONE has an agenda here.
"Human-induced" climate change...my ass

"Why don't you breathe a 5% concentration and find out."

Guess what, numbnuts, what you breath out IS 5% CO2.

#99 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2010-02-10 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag: not real bright

3.97 % is what you exhaled.
wiki.answers.com

"Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: According to occupational exposure and controlled atmosphere research into CO2 toxicology, CO2 is hazardous via direct toxicity at levels above 5%, concentrations not encountered in nature [except perhaps at or near an active volcano or at water-logged soils]. At these high levels there is risk of death from carbon dioxide poisoning. "

www.doomedglobe.com

Happy asphyxiation 'numbnuts'.

Basic Information about Concentrations of CO2 in Air
-1,000,000 ppm of a gas = 100 % concentration of the gas. Therefore, 10,000 ppm of a gas in air is a 1% concentration.
-At 1% concentration of carbon dioxide CO2 (10,000 ppm) and under continuous exposure at that level, such as in an auditorium filled with occupants and poor fresh air ventilation, some occupants are likely to feel drowsy.
-The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2% (20,000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for instance) is present at lower concentrations.
-Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
bullet If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal "acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more frequently is absent.
-Breathing rate doubles at 3% (30,000 ppm)CO2 and is four times the normal rate at 5% (50,000 ppm)CO2.
-Toxic levels of carbon dioxide: at levels above 5%, concentration CO2 is directly toxic. [At lower levels we may be seeing effects of a reduction in the relative amount of oxygen rather than direct toxicity of CO2.]

www.doomedglobe.com

Everything Is in Place in Vancouver, Except Snow
www.nytimes.com

"The Olympic plans at Cypress were undercut by the warmest January on record, which kept snowmaking to a minimum. According to Environment Canada, the average temperature this year was 7.2 degrees Celsius (45 Fahrenheit), when it normally is 3.3 C (38). From Dec. 1 to Jan. 31, the area received 79 percent of its usual precipitation, but most of it was rain."
www.nytimes.com

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Looks like peak Arctic ice may be the lowest ever recorded this year; Until next year.

nsidc.org

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And it's too late to stop it, thanks to a world of pathetically stupid morons.

"Studies that examine the effects of atmospheric greenhouse gases often focus on the possible dangers of climate change in the 21st century. However, a new study published on February 10, 2009 by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences indicates that climate change resulting from carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations is mostly irreversible for at least 1000 years after emissions stop."

Read more at Suite101: Climate Change Irreversible for 1000 Years: Effects of Carbon Dioxide Felt Long After Emissions Stop climate-change.suite101.com

"Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago"
newsroom.ucla.edu

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The future will not be kind to idiots.

www.madisonpubliclibrary.org

"Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago"

Dinosaur farts? Atlantis residents driving SUV's? Buffaloed_Boobs factories before he moved them to the moon? Are you SURE about man-made CO2 emissions?

"Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago"

#103 | Posted by Zatoichi

Them damn SUVs. They have been around a long time. I wonder who drove them back then?

Dinosaur farts? Atlantis residents driving SUV's? Buffaloed_Boobs factories before he moved them to the moon?

You make statements like that and wonder why we seem so condescending sometimes.

You think maybe there was a natural cause like an super volcanoe or other mass extinction type event and maybe that released some of the enormous amounts of CO2 that are trapped in the Earth's upper mantle and Oceans...think maybe a Massive disruption of the Oceans or Mantle could have caused it? Maybe it was a huge global forest fire? Think maybe?

A better question is what event is causing the massive increase in CO2 today!?

Interesting that for the last 800,000 years CO2 levels were relatively stable...then with no major Earth changing events until Man came along and starting pumping CO2 out in mass quantities. Yes, the evidence is clear. We humans are increasing the level of CO2 in our atmosphere. Yes we can effect the climate of the earth now.

And seriously If it is not Mankind that is increasing CO2 levels (who has a huge carbon footprint) then who IS doing it? The Greys?

No wonder Zat and Ring are so confused, they get their scientific information from Wiki. Great peer review there.

www.anesthesia-analgesia.org
www.faqs.org

Zat and Ring claim that because at some level CO2 becomes "toxic," it's a poison and therefore should be regulated by the EPA. But by that standard pretty much everything is a poison and should be regulated by the EPA, including water and oxygen. Is this an appropriate standard? Excess water in the body causes dilution of electrolytes leading to a variety of metabolic disorders and organ failure. Oxygen in excess of 90% is toxic to new borns, and oxygen in excess even of 21% can be toxic to those suffering from COPD. By the ZatRing standard, since these levels can become toxic, this gas must be regulated. Doesn't matter that the amounts do not normally occur in nature, merely that at some level something may become toxic. Stupid standard from stupid people.

"Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago"

#103 | Posted by Zatoichi

Thank you for admitting that the current level of CO2 is naturally occurring. Perhaps we can now move on to more important topics.

...instead of hypothetics and junk science.

#88 | Posted by matsop

you mean like Intelligent Design and ghosts and angels, demonology and life after death and such?

#93 | Posted by donnerboy

Bingo, dinnerboy, you win the prize---GWers believe in a religion----it takes faith not science to believe and once that's admitted, they'll be a respected group on the DR.

Well, they should be getting a good look at Global Warming as they sit, snowed out of their brand-new offices!

All I really want to know is who the fuck moved the snow from Vancouver to Washington DC. Really bad timing. There ought to be a Congressional investigation. The least they can do is borrow some of the aircraft from the Haiti thing to help cart some snow to the Olympics. This is an international emergency. There are probably a few Haitians that could help, perhaps even stay in Canada to help.

www.appinsys.com

Donnor and Matsop,

Not that you will understand above is the link to temperature trends from satellite data. It speaks for itself -especially the last statement at the bottom.

"According to the global data sets, the Earth has warmed about 0.3 0.4 degrees in the last 30 years. This is less than the measurement error of temperature recording devices."

LESS THAN THE MEASUREMENT ERROR OF THE RECORDING DEVICES.

By the way ...

www.geocraft.com

CO2 INCREASES LAGS temperature change by 800 years!

www.scotese.com

And we are in one of the coolest periods in geological history.

But none of this matters to you who 1) think you know more - but actually know less - than the rest of us 2) Like the idea of blaming America / Humans 3) Believe in the "evils" of capitalism and need to blame some catastrophy on it

Human caused global warming is bogus science that anyone that passed 8th grade science understands....how come you don't?

www.appinsys.com

Donnor and Matsop,

Not that you will understand above is the link to temperature trends from satellite data. It speaks for itself -especially the last statement at the bottom.

"According to the global data sets, the Earth has warmed about 0.3 0.4 degrees in the last 30 years. This is less than the measurement error of temperature recording devices."

LESS THAN THE MEASUREMENT ERROR OF THE RECORDING DEVICES.

By the way ...

www.geocraft.com

CO2 INCREASES LAGS temperature change by 800 years!

www.scotese.com

And we are in one of the coolest periods in geological history.

But none of this matters to you who 1) think you know more - but actually know less - than the rest of us 2) Like the idea of blaming America / Humans 3) Believe in the "evils" of capitalism and need to blame some catastrophy on it

Human caused global warming is bogus science that anyone that passed 8th grade science understands....how come you don't?

#112 | Posted by foshaffer

Foshaffer, I'm with you, man, I'm with you---read my posts.

And we are in one of the coolest periods in geological history.

I guess you never heard of an ice age. The warmer periods you read about happened many millions of years ago. The current climate changes are happening a thousand times faster and the rise in CO2 is not following any warm period that happened 800 years ago. Why do you think real scientists suspect man made cause and affect? Scientist have long predicted that if the tundra melts it will result in a runaway increase in CO2 and methane. That's definitely an increase follow the warming trend. It's all part of the science. I always did say republicans can't do the math. I'll have to add they can't understand cause and affect.

I guess you never heard of peer reviewed either. Do you and matsop go to the same high school? Both those sites are high school required reading written by some earth sciences teacher. They are hardly the work of real climatologists. At least you are trying, foshaffer. Matsop has only RW talk radio rhetoric in his defense.

Assmaster running his mouth again?
Boy, will you never learn? Every time this subject comes up, I slap you around for a while with some facts & suddenly you go away for a while =, but you always come back for more.
You are a glutten for it.
One state has some sence, hopefully it will spread.

www.deseretnews.com

The current climate changes are happening a thousand times faster

???

More than ~450,000 years ago the data on the rate of global temperature change is unreliable and becomes more so the further back you go.

I always did say republicans can't do the math

You say stupid things like this and you expect people to take you seriously? LOL Think again, ringo

Ring - 1)"The current climate changes are happening a thousand times faster" Did you read any of the web sites I posted...THAT is not happening...at all...in fact the last several years we have seen a decline. 2)As to Peer Review ..did you not read the Emails where the guys in charge of the publications were blocking the submissions for review, 3) The ones that were "Peer reviewed' contained items such as the melting glaciers of the Himalayas - which was bogus as was the "Ring" studies - that was all of 3 trees in one area of the planet.

By the way - I have certification to teach high school Physics, chemistry, Biology, Social Studies - along with an MBA and 4 US patents in telecomunications. So neither science or math are beyond me.

I should have included Ringmasterbater in my list of condescending liberals.

"So neither science or math are beyond me."

[citation needed]

Of course you just explained why public education is a pitiful joke.

-------------------

A shadowy scientific elite codenamed Jason warned the US about global warming 30 years ago but was sidelined for political convenience
www.timesonline.co.uk

The earth has been around for MILLIONS of years & these GW alarmists are basing their science on 100 or so years of records, that's less than .00003% of possible information.

#116 | Posted by goatman
#117 | Posted by foshaffer

Sorry guys, you are wasting your breath on Assmaster, he runs from facts & has nothing to back his claims. He & I have had it out several times & he always runs when the facts come out.

Here's a few more.

www.dnaindia.com

www.dailymail.co.uk

deltafarmpress.com

Matsop has only RW talk radio rhetoric in his defense.

#114 | Posted by RingMaster

Sorry to destroy your credibility (?) Ringmaster, but I don't listen to talk radio---also, why should I post the same old anti-GW rhetoric that your tired rhetoric then responds to---know all the arguments on both sides and don't want to regurgitate the stuff---against the GW religion since the original models were poorly designed based on retropective information (that we find out now was manipulated and not science at all). Also, it is well agreed that the variabilities affecting temps are huge as are potential assumptions and we are in the infancy period of constructing global warming models----therefore, based on the forementioned I don't get my pants in a knot over a theory or religion where the underlying models in themselves are poorly constructed and validated (and not prospective) as any reputable scientist would agree. You're on the losing side, Ringmaster, as more data emerges and your pride is getting in the way of admitting it.

#119 | Posted by Zatoichi

30 yrs ago, it was global COOLING that was the issue.

www.time.com

www.denisdutton.com

Ringmaster, The Forrest Gump of Meteorology.

I guess you never heard of peer reviewed either. Do you and matsop go to the same high school? Both those sites are high school required reading written by some earth sciences teacher. They are hardly the work of real climatologists. At least you are trying, foshaffer. Matsop has only RW talk radio rhetoric in his defense.

#114 | Posted by RingMaster

Since Foshaffer gave his educational resume, I'll finally give you mine---4 years undergrad with science majors; 4 years grad in the sciences; then 5 years of postgrad studies in the sciences. You don't have to give me your educational background, Ringmaster since I've not been disparaging of what it may have been.

A shadowy scientific elite codenamed Jason warned the US about global warming 30 years ago but was sidelined for political convenience
www.timesonline.co.uk

#119 | Posted by Zatoichi

Was he the guy they found out later was a paranoid schizophrenic?

I think they should take a taxpayer funded trip to DC to see the climate first hand. No coats allowed of course.

Well now that we have heard of all the "qualifications" of these two nay sayers on the anonymous internet I guess that settles it once and for all. Learn to do the math with you phony diplomas and I'll be impressed. You get put into the same class as fwthom, seedee, goatman and 101chairborne. All suspect loony tunes. In other words a bunch of know-it-all fools who actually think they slap me around for a while with some facts as the assbiter seedy actually believes.

You make me laugh. It's been fun though and I always look forward to the next climate discussion. It always turns into a bitchin' match by the same old fools.

yea, ringo, dazzle up with your "facts". LOL

I think you are full of shit. Provide some links to your statements and prove me wrong.

The current climate changes are happening a thousand times faster

I always did say republicans can't do the math.

It's so funny watching you step on your dick ringo.

Ringnut at it again. Disparages another poster's credentials, but when given the credentials immediately calls them fake. Is this having your cake and eating it too? You don't have any education, and if you do it's all fake, and if it's not fake it's not enough, and if it's enough then it's the wrong kind, and if.... We should start calling you RingaroundtheRosie. Sucking up too much CO2 again. There are refutations daily about your blessed global warming, yet you refuse to even acknowledge any of it. After all, "real scientists suspect man made cause and affect." But you also refuse to acknowledge that other "real" scientists think your scientists are a bunch of do-good fools with GW agenda, providing faulty opinions using faulty data, or flat making data up in order to meet their preconceived desires. But keep it coming, RingaroundtheRosie, we all love to ridicule you on each thread.

"I think they should take a taxpayer funded trip to DC to see the climate first hand. No coats allowed of course."

Hey, Einstein...raise the Earth's average temperature 3 degrees, and it's still going to snow.

But the snow will be warmer.

I wonder what the Earth's temperature was during the last Ice Age? I wonder why the last Ice Age ever even ended? SOMETHING had to have raised the Earth's temperature then, and it sure as hell wasn't mankind.

NOAA and the UN Climate Experts will merge. Then the UN and World Governments will impose a world wide VAT (tax) on all products that utilized energy in their manufacture. After that you will hear a huge wallet sucking vacuum truck (electric powered of course, made in China) running up and down subdivisions that are operated by the SEIU. Daily as you go to and from work (those of you that do work) before going to you car you will be required to open your wallet for the vacuum truck (SEIU members do accept tips). There will be a 10% surcharge to those that use credit cards. The money will be used for World Politicians to go on junkets and parties throughout the world (and bring their families) to discuss and make decisions on Global Warming (increase the VAT). Plus support Al Gore's home electric bill and pay for suspect NOAA and UN Climate Global Warming data.

After about 30 years of this the idiot public will come to understand that the decisions made by the Renouned Intellectual Scientists we have for Politicians did nothing to change the climate but did increase the graft and power of the various World Governments.

Vacationing in Florida---should of stayed home in the north---going to hit 29 degrees again tonight. Unbelievably cold weather.

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