No-thanks to your shitting on the US Marines

I agree.

Ronnie Fucking Raygun.

I'd like to propose at toast.....Good riddence.

#1 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2010-02-08 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks Carter was the most successful president ever!

#1 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2010-02-08 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks Carter was the most successful president ever!

#4 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2010-02-08 02:54 PM

Not quite. Try again thumper.

This was all I could find. Hot off the press...

BREAKING NEWS: Congressman John Murtha Dies At Age 77

Posted: 2:42 pm EST February 8, 2010
Updated: 2:48 pm EST February 8, 2010

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Rep. John P. Murtha died Monday at 1:18 p.m. at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, VA.

At his bedside was his family.

Murtha, 77, was Chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense.

The 19-term Democrat was the first Vietnam veteran to serve in Congress. He currently leads House Appropriations subcommittee on defense spending. Murtha has been a representative for Pennsylvania's 12th Congressional District since 1974.

A former Marine, he became the first Vietnam War combat Veteran elected to the U.S. Congress.

This past Saturday, Murtha became Pennsylvania's longest serving member of Congress.

Stay with WJACTV.com and WJAC-TV News for continuing coverage as details become available.

Apparently this news is true.

Our wallets are safer now that this asshole King of Pork is dead. He did enought damage already. I agree with Wisgod!

Hey that's awful. Yet another Dem retired. As the Catholics say, Dominoes an' Biscuits, or something.

Maybe the Doctors removed too much pork while trying to find his gall bladder....

I've read the first few posts above about the death earlier today of a prominent Democrat. Stay classy rightwingers. (Unbelievable)

Is there going to be a special election? I hope so. We wouldn't want the people of his district not to be represented for 11 months, that would be terrible.

"Now standing in the on-deck circle - Robert Byrd!"

No one cries.

My condolences to his family.

Didn't know the man personally, but I detested his attack on the marines and his positions on every issue I can recall...

Still, I am sure that someone loved him and are grieving.

May he rest in peace. God be with him and his family.

Stay classy rightwingers. (Unbelievable)

#10 | Posted by moder8

After the classy remarks from this guy regarding our Military? The only classy thing about this is the snifter of Brandy I'll be drinking tonight.

-Stay classy rightwingers. (Unbelievable)

More like typical.

But, it's OK to slander Vets if they are Dems.

It's in the Repuke Handbook, page 66.

Condolences to the family of a decorated war Vet and Congressman.

Cause of death is being reported as unknown, but doctors did notice several strange earmarks.

Murtha was the first Vietnam vet to serve in Congress and a 37-year Marine. His choice to speak out against the Iraq War in 2005 was a turning point in the conflict that forced a major reassessment of strategy and helped put the Democrats back in charge of the House and Senate. R.I.P.

He's dead Jim. There goes another Dem chair...

Thank you for your service, Mr. Murtha. May you rest in peace.

This doesn't look good for Rep. John Murtha: The Washington Post is reporting that a Pennsylvania defense research center regularly consulted with two "handlers" close to the Democratic congressman as it collected almost $250 million in federal funding through himand then channeled much of the money to companies that were among his campaign supporters.

In Congress since 1974. Since I was 7 years old.

For anyone who wonders why things just seem to stay the same.

He was also under near-constant ethics investigations. But mentioning that would make me a right-wing kook.

Good riddance, you lousy anti-American cocksucker. The country is better off without your bloated ass.

"complications from gallbladder surgery"

Seriously? Who the hell dies of that? Isn't that like dying from having your tonsil's out? Our healthcare system must be really.....

Oh, upon further reading the VA was involved. Say no more.

Just keeping it classy for ya moderate :)

In 1980, Murtha was one of several Congressmen ensnared in the Abscam scandal growing out of an FBI investigation into corruption in Congress.

And another seat opens ....

#23 | Posted by rightisright at 2010-02-08 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag

Spot on. Anyone, regardless of party, who has made a career out of politics cannot be trusted.

"There was no firefight. There was no I.E.D. that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."
May 20, 2006

"If I'm corrupt, it's because I take care of my district."
March 29, 2009

In 1980, Murtha was one of several Congressmen ensnared in the Abscam scandal growing out of an FBI investigation into corruption in Congress.

#27 | Posted by cookfish at 2010-02-08 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He was investigated in the 1980 Abscam scandal, but was eventually cleared of all wrongdoing. "

Honoring Murtha's service to our country both in the military and congress.

RIP

Truth of the matter is that Murtha was a great American and a great patriot. The rightwingers on this board who celebrate and spew bile now that he is dead are not worthy to even shine his shoes. RIP Congressman.

"If I'm corrupt, it's because I take care of my district."
March 29, 2009

#31 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-08 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess the word "IF" confuses you. How about pointing to a pork project that didn't create jobs for his district? How about some facts.

From Wiki:

Congressman John Murtha (D-PA) was one of the Congressmen videotaped in an encounter with undercover FBI operatives. Although never indicted or prosecuted, he was named an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the scandal.[citation needed] As such, he testified against Frank Thompson (D-NJ) and John Murphy (D-NY), the two Congressmen mentioned as participants in the deal at the same meeting. A short clip from the videotape shows Murtha stating "I'm not interested, I'm sorry. At this point..." in direct response to an offer of $50,000 in cash.

In November 1980, the Justice Department announced that Murtha would not face prosecution for his part in the scandal. The U.S. Attorney's Office reasoned that Murtha's intent was to obtain investment in his district. Full length viewing of the tape shows Murtha citing prospective investment opportunities that could return "500 or 1000" miners to work. In July 1981, the House Ethics Committee also chose not to file charges against Congressman Murtha, following a mostly party line vote. The resignation later that day of Republican E. Barrett Prettyman, Jr., the panel's special counsel, has been interpreted as an act of protest.

Yep, completely innocent I'm sure. He's as slimy as a snake in a blender.

In September 2006 the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) listed Murtha under Five Members to Watch in its Second Annual Most Corrupt Members of Congress Report. The report cited Murtha's steering of defense appropriations to clients of KSA Consulting, which employed his brother Robert, and the PMA Group, founded by Paul Magliocchetti, a former senior staffer on the Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Defense.[14]

"Our wallets are safer now that this asshole King of Pork is dead."

So now what about Sen. Shelby?

Hey Buffablow, go piss and moan to Wikipedia. I just cut and pasted. Nothing they said was incorect. Go cry to them about your "two countries" bullshit while you're at it. LOL.

In 2008, Esquire Magazine named him one of the 10 worst members of Congress because of his opposition to ethics reform and the $100 million a year he brings in earmarks to his district.[15] The Wall Street Journal has called him "one of Congress's most unapologetic earmarkers."[16] According to the Pennsylvania Report, Murtha is one of "Pennsylvania's most powerful congressman" and a "master of crossing the aisle and bringing pork into his district."[17]

His legacy continues...

How about pointing to a pork project that didn't create jobs for his district?

Is that the standard for measuring pork?

one at at a time fellas.

boob can only deflect so fast.

"Truth of the matter is that Murtha was a great American and a great patriot."

Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. You have yours, we have ours. Your truth is not necessarily the world's truth. Murtha was a fucknut of the highest order. We can thank him for what service he did for his country, but mostly he was nothing more than an egotistical bastard out only for himself. Accusing good Marines of murder, with no evidence, and then refusing to apologize when they were all found to be innocent. He may have once been a great American, but I only remember a fucktard jackass spewing left wing hate and bitterness, good for nothing but worm food. At last he has found his rightful place.

So now what about Sen. Shelby?

still alive as far as I know.

#30 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-08 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

The United States has killed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis in cold blood. That is the reality of the Iraq war. Murtha was against the war. If his path had been followed, those marines would never have been in Iraq in the first place. Facts are that soldiers in Iraq have murdered and raped, and been found guilty of said crimes. If Murtha had been in charge, they wouldn't have been anywhere near their victims.

at least he doesn't have to spend time in jail on his way to Hell

Murtha voted for the October 10, 2002 resolution[21] that authorized the use of force against Iraq.

LOL.

- but I only remember a fucktard jackass spewing right wing hate and bitterness, good for nothing but worm food.

Self-description often leads to a self-retorting post, eh?

Is that the standard for measuring pork?

#41 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2010-02-08 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone has different standards---what's yours? I say if a Rep gets the government to put a project in their district that it was going to fund anyway--it is a good thing. Some call it pork. I say---define "pork". Can you do it? If so--do it and apply it to one of Murtha's projects.

Murtha was against the war.

Murtha voted for the October 10, 2002 resolution[21] that authorized the use of force against Iraq.

Maybe he was for it before he was against it.

Truth of the matter is that Murtha was a great American and a great patriot.

His military experience gives him that distinction...no question.

His congressional experience????? I have a hard time respecting someone who is a shining example of what is wrong with DC politics.

If Murtha had been in charge, they wouldn't have been anywhere near their victims.

#45 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

He wasn't, dummy.

Gee, somewhere a child died today who might have grown up to be a Dem.

Cockfisher must be ecstatic.

If Murtha had been in charge, they wouldn't have been anywhere near their victims.

in charge of what?

go fuck yourself and your "if" bullshit.

Murtha voted for the October 10, 2002 resolution[21] that authorized the use of force against Iraq.

LOL.

#47 | Posted by cookfish at 2010-02-08 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only because he believed the lies told to him by our President. Once he found out the truth, he was against any further war in Iraq.

I know you are too small a person to apologize for your bullshit attack. So does everyone else.

Poor Cork's losing it. LOL.

Murtha voted for the October 10, 2002 resolution[21] that authorized the use of force against Iraq.

Sorry, BoOb, that says it all. When you 'authorize' it, you own it. Not that you'd know anything about responsibility. LOL.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2010-02-08 04:03 PM | Reply

Depends on what your definition of "is" is...

. I say---define "pork". Can you do it?

Yes. If a Republican accepts money for meaningless projects, it is pork (as Alaska's bridge to nowhere that the lefties panned Palin for allowing). If a democrat does it, it is a "good thing" as you say, bOoB.

Hope this helps.

By BoOb logic, when you write a check to 'authorize' payment, you're not responsible for payment due to evil rightwing/coporate/military lies. LOL.

Nothing they said was incorect.(sic)

And nothing Murtha said about Haditha was incorrect, yet still you whine. Even after Wissy butchers the quote you got nothing.

Predictable

Pathetic

"Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell's 104-page report on Haditha is scathing in its criticism of the Marines' actions, from the enlisted men who were involved in the shootings on Nov. 19, 2005, to the two-star general who commanded the 2nd Marine Division in Iraq at the time. Bargewell's previously undisclosed report, obtained by The Washington Post, found that officers may have willfully ignored reports of the civilian deaths to protect themselves and their units from blame. He concluded that there also was no interest at any level in investigating allegations of a massacre.

Only a fool is offended by the truth.

Murtha...a True Patriot.

Commence the attacks you Classy righties!

oh...you already have.

Gee, somewhere a child died today who might have grown up to be a Dem.

Posted by Corky and Pro-Choice

FTFY.

in charge of what?

In charge of deciding whether or not to go to war in Iraq.

go fuck yourself and your "if" bullshit.

Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension. Your loss of temper shows your lack of reasoning skills. Words come hard for you don't they Eberly. Probably from poor parenting skills that didn't focus on education and reasoning. Your best response is "go fuck yourself". The retort of a loser. Facts are facts.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2010-02-08 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

In March 2009, the Washington Post reported that a Pennsylvania defense research center regularly consulted with two "handlers" close to Murtha while it received nearly $250 million in federal funding via Murtha's earmarks. The center then channeled a significant portion of the funding to companies that were among Murtha's campaign supporters.[20]

Is there a Hall of fame for guys like this and Cold Cash Jefferson?

That Corky comment is still creeping me out.....

I am glad that anti-american piece of shit is dead. My only regret is that God didn't pull off his limbs like he did to Max Clelnad.

I didnt agree with him on anything, but I'll miss that old curmudgeon.

My only regret is that God didn't pull off his limbs like he did to Max Clelnad.

"WAAAAAAH!"

woke

Thank you for your dedication to serving this country. Whether we agreed or not is moot; you gave your life to service.

He's as slimy as a snake in a blender.
#36 | POSTED BY SPOKANEJIM AT 2010-02-08 03:53 PM

#70 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-02-08 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Ooooh, how sweet.

I just can't get that stupid Queen song outta my head.

Sure, and if it was John McCain, it would be different. Do you lefties actually believe your own bullshit?

Sure, and if it was John McCain, it would be different.

I would post the same actually.

"Sure, and if it was John McCain, it would be different."

The left would not be posting the stuff the right is now about Murtha. Sorry but that dog just won't hunt.

Actually, very few liberals indeed post mean-spirited bile ridden posts when a rightwinger dies. Other than a couple of fringe posters, I can't think of any. In contrast to rightwingers who seem to spew bile en masse when a leftie dies.

Fine, Murtha was as slimy as Woke's pants every time he thinks about Sarah Palin. "[M]any Americans" can also agree that the world is flat and the moon landing never happened, but that doesn't change the facts of the story. Murtha was a corrupt piece of shit. I would have been happy seeing him get his ass handed to him come November, but death is an acceptable, if somewhat more permanent, alternative.

The left would not be posting the stuff the right is now about Murtha. Sorry but that dog just won't hunt.

#75 | Posted by danni

One word.....bullshit.

Sorry but that dog just won't hunt.

#75 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-08 04:27 PM | Reply

Unfortunately for you, the pages here are archived, or have you forgotten? There are examples of your ilk posting equally nasty comments on Republican "obits". So save your holier than though bullshit for some other occasion.

but I only remember a fucktard jackass spewing left wing hate and bitterness, good for nothing but worm food. At last he has found his rightful place.

And fucktard jackasses such as yourself spewing right wing hate?

Sure, and if it was John McCain, it would be different. Do you lefties actually believe your own bullshit?

The tables would be turned and you'd be a hypocrite. What's your point?

Hell Moder8, I guess Reagan is still alive, you idiot.

I see Murtha is being "slimed" by the right wing trolls here on DR for abscam- in which he was not charged, for speaking iraqnam and haditha-in which he spoke the truth, and for pork/earmarks-which every congressman participates in to some degree.

GOP=Politics over honor and service to country.

The tables would be turned and you'd be a hypocrite. What's your point?

#80 | Posted by jpw

I'd be a hypocrite? Try making some sense for a change.

""Sure, and if it was John McCain, it would be different."

The left would not be posting the stuff the right is now about Murtha. Sorry but that dog just won't hunt."

Perfectly true. McCain is a true hero, never involved in the number and extent of scandals and earmarks as was Murtha. The left would not be able to call him a sack of lying shit, a corrupt fucknut of the highest order, or a slimy piece of filth not fit for office. Murtha has earned the derision, McCain has not.

The left would not be posting the stuff the right is now about Murtha.

#75 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-08 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag: Missed the Rehnquist thread

Considering the amount of shit Dubya piled on McCain in 2000 and the deafening silence from the right about it, the whole "McCain is a hero" coming from the right doesn't float.

77

That would be YOUR pants sonny, not mine.

Sure, and if it was John McCain, it would be different. Do you lefties actually believe your own bullshit?

#73 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-08 04:25 PM

Uh, who could slime McCain more than lilaWol and his turd blossom did in SC in the 2000 primary??

Please, show us one comment from any lefty here on DR that claimed McCain was the "Manchurian Candidate" or that he "fathered a mixed child out of wedlock".

Oh yeah, I forgot, you are FOS.....eh?

And btw, thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting a person who lied about taking earmarks after taking one for a bridge to nowhere, while denigrating a rep who passed away for doing what every legislator and governor does.....look out for their own constituents.

Hypocrites much?

John Murtha, RIP

"Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell's 104-page report on Haditha is scathing in its criticism of the Marines' actions, from the enlisted men who were involved in the shootings on Nov. 19, 2005, to the two-star general who commanded the 2nd Marine Division in Iraq at the time. Bargewell's previously undisclosed report, obtained by The Washington Post, found that officers may have willfully ignored reports of the civilian deaths to protect themselves and their units from blame. He concluded that there also was no interest at any level in investigating allegations of a massacre."

This is what should be creeping Cockfisher out.... how easily duped he is.

That the right feels the need to smear him, even after his death, shows how low they will go to place politics above our country.

defending him is a perfect example of "politics above our country".

you are a partisan shill of the worst degree Woke. no doubt about it.

Murtha, despite his military service, was an example of what is wrong in DC. ( and people's tolerance of the corruption)

This happens every time some political figure dies. One side claims the other is pathetic, blah, blah, blah, while the other takes pride in speaking ill-will of the dead, blah, blah, blah.

Same shit, and same hacks, just a different day.

Party on losers.

Sorry but that dog just won't hunt.

#75 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-08 04:27 PM | Reply

more "if" bullshit. you are guilty of the exact behavior you are pretending to denounce.

your faux outrage is noted....again.

#9 on this alphabetical list:

that dog just won't hunt.

Now I have Jerry Was a Race car Driver stuck in my head.

89

Oh, ok.

Show us ANY representative or governor who does not use or take earmarks (pork)

Preferably without the namecalling that kinda shows how poor your argument (denigrating a dead rep who does what all do) is.......though, considering your past interactions with me, I'm guessing that is impossible for you.

IMO, John Murtha is to be commended for his service to our nation. For that service, he deserves some addulations. However, in his later years he became the poster child for term limits. He was the epitimy of a politician that went to Washington with likely very good intentions. But over time was corrupted by the power and the money. The loss of any human life is sad. About the only good I can see coming out of his death is that maybe there will be a little new blood going into D.C. and a few less earmarks coming out.

I'd be a hypocrite? Try making some sense for a change.

So you'd talk as much shit about McCain as you are about Murtha?

You wouldn't whine about typical "lefty behavior" if someone was nasty about McCain's death?

Somehow I get the feeling your behavior would be the exact opposite of what it is here today.

#95 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2010-02-08 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clarity award!

Mr. Murtha,

When you see God please tell him "thank you" for that Saints Super Bowl win last night on behalf of all us Who Dats.

Much appreciated!

JPW, my point was.....nevermind. You're hats on too tight today.

Show us ANY representative or governor who does not use or take earmarks (pork)

a guy that makes the top 10 most corrupt list for years with scandals regarding pork, lobbyists, kickbacks and all you can do is deflect with "well, others do it too" is both hilarious and pathetic. (to borrow your term)

Again, Murtha was an perfect example of what is wrong in DC and to deflect or ignore that fact is proof of what a 100% partisan shill you are.

Maybe we should name an airport after him

you're=your.

The only people crying over this sick pud's death are limpwristed liberals and lobbyists.

Clarity award!

exactly.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-02-08 04:50 PM | Reply

You forgot pork fed contractors.

100

What? You cannot find any reps or govs who do not use or take earmarks for their constituents?

Yet, you feel fine denigrating Murtha on his day of death for doing the same every other rep does?

Why does this not suprise me?

I sometimes wonder if Murtha and Frank had a special relationship. They just look like a good pair...

When you see God please tell him "thank you" for that Saints Super Bowl win last night on behalf of all us Who Dats.

#98 | Posted by taxman at 2010-02-08 04:49 PM | Reply

Murtha won't be going to heaven. God smited that fucking cunt for being a blasphemer, a crook, and a traitor.
I hope Jesus himself was there to stomp Murtha's ass down to hades.
In all that is holy, amen.

Yet, you feel fine denigrating Murtha on his day of death for doing the same every other rep does?

doing what? make the top 10 list of most corrupt in congress.

Woke, can you count to 10? If you could then you would know that "every other rep can't possibly do that".

Like Bogey said....he was the poster child for why we need term limits.

#108 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-02-08 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well in that case, I hope Mr. Murtha has a jacket because hell has frozen over.

Who Dat!

hades

Isn't hades supposed to be purgatory? Kind of the half-way house between heaven and hell?

Who Dat!

#110 | Posted by taxman at 2010-02-08 04:55 PM | Reply

BTW congrats. What are you doing awake right now? You should be nursing the mother of all hangovers or just arriving back from a bender...

If the right was truly concerned about earmarks/pork, they would be upset at the new scotus ruling that allows corporations to own and operate our reps......

Instead, they cherrypick their outrage toward dem reps only....(see nanc's link) and pretend their hero neocon/repug reps are squeaky clean.....(yeah, right), which simply makes them partisan hypocrites.

That they do so upon this man's death, shows the depth of that partisanship and a severe lack of taste and morality.

Isn't hades supposed to be purgatory? Kind of the half-way house between heaven and hell?

#111 | Posted by taxman at 2010-02-08 04:57 PM | Reply

I have no idea. I just say "god" "jesus" and some form of fake prayer laced with profanities and people think I'm religious.

BTW congrats. What are you doing awake right now? You should be nursing the mother of all hangovers or just arriving back from a bender...

Hair of the dog.

I just emailed the Mrs. I need to stop on the way home and pickup some bubbly so can moarn. Later all, and God Bless America.

As I said Eberly, you are a partisan hypocrite since you KNOW full well that ALL reps take and use pork, but choose to only attack the dems who do so.....as with nanc's list of 10 worst....all dems....Do you think that's a valid non partisan list? Is that why you keep referencing it?

When a repug dies, I don't spend my time denigrating them on a right wing blog.

What goes around comes around sonny.

When you die, perhaps you will also be treated likewise, eh?

You probably don't care, but maybe your family will.

Instead, they cherrypick their outrage toward dem reps only....

No, I am talking about the top 10 (hell...top 50).

Point to any name on the list and I will tell you they are also the poster child of why we need term limits.

Murtha is being discussed for obvious reasons dummy.

and pretend their hero neocon/repug reps are squeaky clean.....

nobody is doing that you lying hack.

which simply makes them partisan hypocrites.

bullshit. this thread only illustrates that YOU are the partisan hypocrite.

Do you think that's a valid non partisan list? Is that why you keep referencing it?

I never referenced Nanc's list directly. I googled it myself and Murtha's name popped up every time.

produce your own list of most corrupt that Murtha's name isn't on. be my guest.

otherwise STFU.

once again, you drag any meaningful argument about our political structure in DC down to your pathetic childish argument of....."denigrating a war veteran.........VOMIT!!"

you absolutely can't debate without doing that (along with assigning positions that don't exist).

pathetic POS

When you die, perhaps you will also be treated likewise, eh?

at least more than 3 people will show up at my funeral.

If he only had Obamacare he would still be alive. He would still be alive and waiting a few years for this procedure to be approved

-at least more than 3 people will show up at my funeral.

"Born June 17, 1932, John Patrick Murtha delivered newspapers and worked at a gas station before graduating from Ramsay High School in Mount Pleasant, Pa. He left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines, where he rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island, S.C., and later served in the 2nd Marine Division.

Murtha moved to Johnstown, the center of what would become his congressional district, and remained with the Marine Reserves until he volunteered for Vietnam. He served as an intelligence officer there from 1966 to 1967 and received a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts.

After his discharge, Murtha ran a small business in Johnstown. He went to the University of Pittsburgh on the GI Bill, graduating in 1962 with a degree in economics.

He served in the Pennsylvania House in Harrisburg from 1969 until he was elected to Congress in a special election in 1974. In 1990, he retired from the Marine Reserves as a colonel."

Yeah... show us your Purple Hearts, Beverley.

Yeah... show us your Purple Hearts, Beverley.

ranked right up there with Woke in the area of intelligence and deflection tactics Corky.

first of all, I was referring to Woke's funeral, not Murtha's, bozo.

second, you have to run to the "denigrate war veteran" crap to participate in this thread.

what else you got to prove you are nothing but a mirror image of woke.

and yes, that is a HUGE fucking insult.

I'd like to propose at toast.....Good riddence.
#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-08 02:51 PM

Another outspoken critic of good taste!

I'm just suggesting that you are wrong, that there will be many more people at his funeral than at that of a vapid leaping unknown like yourself, Bev.

I'm just suggesting that you are wrong,

no you aren't you dipshit. you weren't even referring to right funeral. don't backtrack.

LOL

Can't say as I miss him. Selfish, shameful hack that he was.

1. Show us ANY representative or governor who does not use or take earmarks (pork)

2. Preferably without the namecalling ......though, ..........I'm guessing that is impossible for you.
#94 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2010-02-08 04:43 PM

Let's see you couldn't do #1.......and you had to revert to #2....

>>>
100% partisan shill you are.
#100 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-08 04:49 PM

.....lying hack
.....partisan hypocrite.
#118 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-08 05:04 PM pathetic POS

pathetic POS
#119 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-08 05:08 PM

at least more than 3 people will show up at my funeral.

#120 | Posted by eberly at 2010-02-08 05:09 PM |

Funeral home employees don't count.

you deserve every word Woke.

And everybody here knows it.

keep crying and victimizing Murtha. I have made my point over and over and you have deflected, ignored and now you are crying like a bitch making your list. another pathetic tactic.

rip Mr. Murtha
thank you for standing a post
may God bless you and your family

(meekly withholding ABSCAM commentary...oops!)

I have no idea. I just say "god" "jesus" and some form of fake prayer laced with profanities and people think I'm religious.

#114 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-02-08 04:59 PM

jesus fucking christ.

Gosh, considering this dubious notation in wikipedia, what else but denigration by the DR righties could be expected for Murtha, eh?
(see second para)
>>>>
In a June 24, 2006, speech at Florida International University,[41] Murtha said that the military presence in Iraq was hurting U.S. credibility, citing a poll by the Pew Research Center indicating that people in several countries consider the U.S. in Iraq to be a greater threat to world peace than either Iran or North Korea.[42] When the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported the speech on June 25, it asserted without further evidence that it was Murtha's own view that the U.S. was a greater threat to world peace: "American presence in Iraq is more dangerous to world peace than nuclear threats from North Korea or Iran, U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said to a crowd of more than 200 in North Miami Saturday afternoon."[43]

The Sun-Sentinel story was picked up by the wire services and the Drudge Report website,[44] leading several conservative pundits, including Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson, and Newt Gingrich to comment.[45] After the Sun-Sentinel issued a correction, O'Reilly publicly apologized.[46]

Gosh, considering this dubious notation in wikipedia, what else but denigration by the DR righties could be expected for Murtha, eh?

Murtha has gotten more attention because of his Iraq stance at the time and the way he communicated his position. It has made his corruption status a bigger issue than it would have been otherwise.

He opposed senseless death in Iraq and now The Culture of Life (TM) is cheering because he died.

Posted by NoGov4Me at 2010-02-08 05:38 PM | Reply

He was for Iraq before he was against it.

Can I be excused from the "Culture of Life"? I'm highly misanthropic.

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You have made your point over and over. That Murtha has been involved in pork (earmarks) and that he has done so a lot. Ever notice where his money went? (military/pentagon) Ever notice how many repugs have done similarly?

And I made my points too, which you continue to ignore.

1. All reps are involved in pork.
(which makes your denigration of him for that stated hypocritical and mere partisan politics)

2. Denigrating the man on his day of death is partisan politics and bad form.

3. Saying Murtha is being denigrated for pork because he spoke out against iraqnam is also partisan politics.
(mama and daddy should have taught you better imo)

Wanna argue against any of those points?

Or do you just want to continue to denigrate the man and namecall and insult me?

#136 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at

He was for it when he was being fed a line of shit about mushroom clouds. Most of them were, it's his fault he was lied to?

That's it, it's all so clear now. What an idiot for believing the bullshit lies the republicans fed to him. They knew they were lies, he's such a flip/ flopper/ stab marines in the back/ traitor guy for not wanting the country to be hit with a nuke that the boy king knew never existed. I'm glad he's dead too, let's go piss on his grave....

///end you're a dumb fuck font ///

1. All reps are involved in pork.
(which makes your denigration of him for that stated hypocritical and mere partisan politics)

I didn't jump on this because I agree. you always assume I am ignoring it. Rule of thumb for you dumbass, if I ignore something it is because I agree, not disagree.

2. Denigrating the man on his day of death is partisan politics and bad form.

cry us a river...this is a political blog. I'm pissing on his grave...just pointing out the reality of career politicans.

3. Saying Murtha is being denigrated for pork because he spoke out against iraqnam is also partisan politics.

he is being denigrated for pork because he was pork filled corrupt. the Irag thing just made him more vulnerable. That was his problem. He wanted to sling shit....some it got on him. he didn't need pussies like you to help him. He was a big boy.

Or do you just want to continue to denigrate the man and namecall and insult me?

page one from your playbook (which happens to be a single sheet of paper)

This thread is a perfect illustration of the need for two countries. I have yet to see anyone who disagrees with the concept come up with a good reason for remaining as one country. This isn't simple disagreement, this is hatred for fellow Americans---pure hatred as can be seen in many of the posts. There can be no reconciliation--no compromise--no discussion. This is two countries, let's make the split peacefully before we start killing each other again.

This thread is a perfect illustration of the need for two countries.

always resorts to this when getting ass kicked.

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If you acknowledge that all reps use/take pork, then acknowledge that denigrating Murtha is hypocritical partisan politics on your part.

As I said, maybe your daddy and mommy didn't teach you not to speak ill of the dead, especially on the day they die?

And again, if you are denigrating Murtha for changing his stance on iraqnam after learning he was DUPED by aWol/hallichainy etc.... then again, it is just partisan politics on your part.

Oh, okay.

This thread is a perfect illustration of the need for two countries.

always resorts to this when getting ass kicked.

#142 | Posted by eberly at 2010-02-08 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The closest you ever came to kicking my ass is giving it a good licking. You never make a point. Try it sometime---like---make a point as to why liberals are good for America that doesn't reveal your stupidity.

Waiting on you.

;-)

the Irag thing just made him more vulnerable. That was his problem.
#139 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-08 05:51 PM |

That's right sonny, before he changed positions on iraqnam, his pentagon/military pork was ALL GOOD for repugs like yourself, eh?

The repug hypocrisy is evident to everyone but themselves apparently.

Murtha was the first Vietnam vet to serve in Congress and a 37-year Marine. His choice to speak out against the Iraq War in 2005 was a turning point in the conflict that forced a major reassessment of strategy and helped put the Democrats back in charge of the House and Senate. R.I.P.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2010-02-08 03:32 PM

Why was he being operated on at the VA? Is the Arlington VA better than most others? I'm pretty sure this guy was covered to go to a better hospital... Wonder if he was trying to score political points and it bit him on the ass.

This thread is a perfect illustration of the need for two countries.
Posted by Buffalo_Bob
Considering that 74% of Americans disapprove of Congress, who's stopping you? Pack a bag or STFU.

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Hmm, so you don't believe a member of our congress should oversee our military or comment on incidents unbecoming to our country and the beloved corps, like abu gharib and haditha massacre?

"The Constitution's drafters understood the immense national sacrifice that war entails. Moreover, they understood that, during times of war, presidential power tends to expand. For these reasons, the Constitution assigns Congress the power to initiate war and to fund and define the parameters of military operations."

The can have either California or New York. Good fucking riddance. Take the body of that bag of shit Murtha with you.

All I can say is good damn riddance. He was a disgrace to America and just a no good piece of shit.

Considering that 74% of Americans disapprove of Congress, who's stopping you? Pack a bag or STFU.

#148 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-02-08 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

No need for either of us to move. I guess you must love liberals, but are just too dim to say why. My suggestion is for us both to have leadership we can respect. You seem to be fighting to keep liberals in your life and making decisions for your family's future, yet are unable to articulate the reasons for your support other than sheer stupidity.

Why was he being operated on at the VA? Is the Arlington VA better than most others? I'm pretty sure this guy was covered to go to a better hospital... Wonder if he was trying to score political points and it bit him on the ass.

#147 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE AT 2010-02-08 06:20 PM

When fully funded by congress, the VA does an admirable job with the exception of those functions that have been PRIVATIZED, such as the wing of Walter Reed hospital that resulted in scandalous treatment of our vets. (profit over people)

btw, maybe it's YOU who is trying to score political points and it bit YOU on the ass, eh?

The can have either California or New York. Good fucking riddance. Take the body of that bag of shit Murtha with you.

#150 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2010-02-08 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

We'll take the blue states and you can have the red. We'll take Murtha and Obama with us, and you can have McCain and Palin---why do you object? Do you have any reasoning capabilities at all?

Moder8 says that only a few fringe lefties spew hate when a republican dies. Apparently you weren't around when Reagan died. There wasn't a dem who didn't spew hatred then. And they spew it when other righties die too. You're just a biased prick who can't see reality because of said bias.

nothing for Murtha and ole teddy to do now but pork each other.

Satan; 'JOHN'!!!

JM; 'Huh, hmmmm, where am i?'

Satan; 'You're in hell, John, welcome'.

JM; 'Dammit, my wife was right'.

Satan; 'It may please you to know that she is right this moment making love to a republican'.

JM; 'NOOOOOOO, not a republicaaaaaaannnnnnnn'.

Satan; (laughing long and deep)'....whewweeeeee, Johnnie, boy, I like you, plus you've done some things to advance my cause, so I'm gonna take you for "special treatment"'.

(Satan reaches over and grabs JM by the bottom lip and slams his head into the stone wall repeatedly.)

Satan; 'Here's your assignment. See Anna Nicole Smith over there? You're gonna have to fuck her for eternity.'

JM; 'Holy Shit, that's fantastic'.

Satan; 'It's not for you dip-shit, it's her punishment. She was a bad girl', so....deliciously....bad......
..'

JM; 'I like hell!!!

Satan reaches over and sets his dick on fire, 'now go get her boy', aaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaa haaaa haaaaaa

"why do you object?"

I don't object. When do you leave? I'll gladly take Palin and McCain. Would I rather have a teleprompter reading boob and a dead corrupt fuckup? You're welcome to them. I'll gladly move from Washington, Idaho is just down the highway. I'm not sure you're entitled to the entire blue state, though. Should we divide it down to counties? How about those state in which had more than 50% blue counties in the 08 election?

I'd like to propose at toast.....Good riddence.

#2 | Posted by wisgod

Here it is: Your Republican part at its finest.

btw, maybe it's YOU who is trying to score political points and it bit YOU on the ass, eh?
#153 | POSTED BY WOKE

I know a little bit about how surgeries in the VA work... he would have received better treatment at a private surgery center.

Knowing how the VA works, he probably never had an attending surgeon in the room. It was likely a chief year resident, a 2nd or 3rd year, nurses and a tech. At least that's what would have happened if he were your everyday run of the mill VA patient, that he was a congressman maybe he got an attending for the opening incision. But the VA is where surgery residents go to learn. Its very independent for them and kind of a training ground for when they are on their own.

I'm betting if this surgery went well we'd be hearing how great gov't run medicine is. But he's dead, so guess what... if Obamacare passes, you can expect to see a lot more deaths from gall bladder surgery.

Condolences to the Murtha family for their loss.

Now, based on Tax's nomination and Eberly's second...

IMO, John Murtha is to be commended for his service to our nation. For that service, he deserves some addulations. However, in his later years he became the poster child for term limits. He was the epitimy of a politician that went to Washington with likely very good intentions. But over time was corrupted by the power and the money. The loss of any human life is sad. About the only good I can see coming out of his death is that maybe there will be a little new blood going into D.C. and a few less earmarks coming out.

#95 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2010-02-08 04:44 PM

Congrats to bogey, you are todays winner of the coveted Moment of Clarity Award (tm)!

Good job, and thanks for playing!

you can expect to see a lot more deaths from gall bladder surgery.

#160 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

But look at the bright side. It cuts down the number of career politicians.

My only regret is that God didn't pull off his limbs like he did to Max Clelnad.

God help me, but that is simultaneously one of the sickest yet funniest things Chair has said in years.

"why do you object?"

I don't object. When do you leave? I'll gladly take Palin and McCain. Would I rather have a teleprompter reading boob and a dead corrupt fuckup? You're welcome to them. I'll gladly move from Washington, Idaho is just down the highway. I'm not sure you're entitled to the entire blue state, though. Should we divide it down to counties? How about those state in which had more than 50% blue counties in the 08 election?

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#158 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2010-02-08 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag

Then you agree that we should be two counties---very good. As to your map---you seem to think that countied vote---or that land has a vote. It doesn't. People vote----land doesn't vote. The split should be red states and blue states. Or each state should vote for which country they wish to belong. Both country'e would have liberal immigration policies if the people would rather move to the other country, and trade would be just as it is now between the states. It would be like Canada and the US---or any other two countries. We would still be strong allies, but the hatred would stop. Myself, I favor s split along the lines of the Civil War----the split that so many southernors gave their lives to try to make a reality---the split that would have been a reality had they won.

But look at the bright side. It cuts down the number of career politicians.

#162 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL

LOL... I'm a big fan of congressional term limits, but hell if Obamacare kills these fuckers off then I guess it can't be all bad.

The hatred of the right for Murtha seems strangely out of place. The right consistently says that the rich need all the breaks so they can create jobs. All Murtha did was give the rich in his district all the breaks he could in order to create jobs. The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds.

His district voted him in office time after time---I guess the right doesn't appreciate democracy either. The need for two countries should be obvious. Why the right doesn't want a country run by themselves seems very odd. They can't seem to explain why they hate libs so much, but hesitate to run things themselves.

The need for two countries should be obvious.

It is.

So.... when you leaving for Boobistan?

They can't seem to explain why they hate libs so much

Cuz they're gay
cuz they take money we earn and give it to poors
cuz toward minorities they are condescending parental racists
cuz they're smug attitude gets really fucking annoying
Cuz they're gay
cuz they believe there are smoke stacks on the moon
cuz they always want to cut military funding
cuz they're cozied up with lawyers

Did I mention they're gay? Giant fruity limpwristed low t-cell mincing truck stop glory hole loving queers.

But yeah, we just can't seem to explain it...

Cuz they're gonna correct my grammar and horrendous misuses of: There, Their and They're...

It is.

So.... when you leaving for Boobistan?

#167 | Posted by American1st at 2010-02-08 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

As soon as you become coherent. Why do you choose to support a country whose leadership you hate when you could live in a country whose leadership you respect? Anything coherent to say?lol

Waiting on you

;-)

#160 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-08 06:56 PM

Murtha didn't die in a VA hospital.
He died at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, VA - a privately owned hospital.

They can't seem to explain why they hate libs so much

Cuz they're gay
cuz they take money we earn and give it to poors
cuz toward minorities they are condescending parental racists
cuz they're smug attitude gets really fucking annoying
Cuz they're gay
cuz they believe there are smoke stacks on the moon
cuz they always want to cut military funding
cuz they're cozied up with lawyers

Did I mention they're gay? Giant fruity limpwristed low t-cell mincing truck stop glory hole loving queers.

But yeah, we just can't seem to explain it...

#168 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-08 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag

Very good for the first half of the sentence---now try the rest of the sentence.

BUT HESITATE TO RUN THINGS THEMSELVES.

Waiting on you.lol

;-)

He died at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, VA - a privately owned hospital.

Pretty quick correction on their part... okay, good, cuz if he were at the VA he'd really be dead.

Why didn't you leave when Bush was in office, Boob? You're the only proponent of two countries on this site that I'm aware of. Why didn't you leave a long time ago?

I know a little bit about how surgeries in the VA work... he would have received better treatment at a private surgery center.

#160 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

He died at Virginia Hospital Center - a private hospital.

but hesitate to run things themselves.

We ran things ourselves for most of the past 30 years, and thanks to Obama, Nancy and Harry we're getting closer to getting right back in power.

God I do love this country's short attention span...

Pretty quick correction on their part... okay, good, cuz if he were at the VA he'd really be dead.

LOL

Dead either way. Maybe the VA (state) threw you off...

Amazing to me how you guys actually think one side has all the right answers and the other side is chopped liver.

It's almost as if, in your black and white little world, whichever side wins, gets to date the cheerleader.

How are you gonna achieve enlightenment that way?

Murtha didn't die in a VA hospital.
He died at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, VA - a privately owned hospital

That would be a VA hospital, would it not? Like close to a DC hospital, or a MD hospital?

Pretty quick correction on their part... okay, good, cuz if he were at the VA he'd really be dead.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-08 07:21 PM | Reply

doh! I did the same dang thing!

"Murtha didn't die in a VA hospital. "

So not even Murtha wanted government-run health care? Hypocrite to the very end.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-02-08 07:23 PM | Reply

Spoiling our fun with facts? How dare you!

doh! I did the same dang thing!

#180 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESHEPERD

Yeah, that's what I read...

No problem though, I can spin this pretty easily:

If government run hospitals are so great, why didn't John Murtha go there for treatment instead of choosing a private hospital? Once again a clear example of them wanting us to get worse treatment while they can use their millions of lobbyist dollars to pay for top care

In a convoluted sort of way, Am1st. But, I think the misunderstanding was about it being a Veteran's Admin. hospital, not the state.

I don't know anyone who hasn't received quality care at a VetAdm hospital. They're insurance never ran out either...

So.... when you leaving for Boobistan?

Posted by American1st at 2010-02-08 07:14 PM | Reply

FF!

Spoiling our fun with facts? How dare you!

#182 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

I don't get a thrill out of doing it! LOL

#71 | Posted by woke at 2010-02-08 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag: SNAKE HANDLER

do you speak in tongues?

I don't know anyone who hasn't received quality care at a VetAdm hospital

LOL... If they went in for surgery they were the equivalent of training dummies for surgical residents. Most of the time the attending isn't even close to the operating room while the residents are doing literally everything.

I could tell stories that would horrify you guys of what goes on at a VA.

do you speak in tongues?

Pucker up like a trumpet player and buzz at the right moment and you can get a woman to ...

God is mentioned every other word too.

We ran things ourselves for most of the past 30 years, and thanks to Obama, Nancy and Harry we're getting closer to getting right back in power.

God I do love this country's short attention span...

#176 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2010-02-08 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are mistaken
Dems had control of congress until 1994, and retook it in 2006---that's only 12 years. You can't count very well. You deflection is noted---you have no response as to why you would rather not run things for yourself---just like every other conservative that hates this country and its leadership. You could run your own country with leadership you respect---have the same Consitution, and a Supreme Court with only conservatives---and yet you cling to liberals which you hate---and can give no reasons for your actions.

Dems had control of congress until 1994, and retook it in 2006---that's only 12 years. You can't count very well.

Congress (at least when Dems are in control) is literally weak and easily controlled.

I was talking about the White House... the real power in Washington.

You deflection is noted---you have no response as to why you would rather not run things for yourself

Maybe you're that shitty of an American that you think just because your "team" didn't win you should take your ball and go home, but thankfully you are in the far minority. Do I like the current leadership, no, so I will do what I can to get people back in office that I agree with. That's how America works.

and a Supreme Court with only conservatives

We have that now... the 4 Libs don't matter.

GOP Presidents: 21 years out of the last 30

Reagan's body may have been in the WH the last 3 years, but his mind was busy looking for JuJu Mints.

I hope they get a Dem to quickly replace his seat.

I'd like to propose at toast.....Good riddence.

#2 | Posted by wisgod

Here it is: Your Republican part at its finest.

#159 | Posted by Sycophant

Fuck you. It was from the Heart, Nut breath. Would it be better if I lied and left off the toast part?

146
Hmm, so you don't believe a member of our congress should oversee our military or comment on incidents unbecoming to our country and the beloved corps, like abu gharib and haditha massacre?

#149 | Posted by woke at 2010-02-08 06:27 PM

It wasn't oversights or simply any old comment on an incident, what was inappropriate was a declaration of guilt against marines that were under an ongoing investigation. This country operates on "innocent until proven guilty." That should apply to our military men and women as well.

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Posted by goatman at 2010-02-08 08:10 PM | Reply

That's an insult to Corvids and Psittacids (Crows AND Parrots)!

Me and the Mrs. are getting shined up. The first thing Murtha has ever given me to say positive. I'll name our third Child "Porky" in his honor.

RIP Mr. Murtha

I don't agree with much of anything with him--certainly not the slander he spewed against the Marines.

He was an unidicted co consprirator of ABSCAM.

Called his constituents racists and rednecks--and they still voted him in--I guess that is kinda' funny..

He is up to his ears with the PMA no bid contract and (mis)appropriations stuff--that still has not played out.

But he is someone's Dad and Grandpa--so there is grieving.

Actually, Murtha was generally speaking correct about his concerns of U.S. military servicemen committing atrocities in Iraq but avoiding justice. The fact that the Marines at Haditha avoided convictions doesn't change that fact.

Wisgod when Satan eventually calls you home make sure you get one of your family members to post a thread. Trust me when I say that I will celebrate like never before.

#201 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-08 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag:_Dan Rather wannabee

Wisgod when Satan eventually calls you home make sure you get one of your family members to post a thread. Trust me when I say that I will celebrate like never before.

#202 | Posted by jackass

At least I'll have earned it. What have you earned?

It bothers rightwingers no end that Murtha was a great American as well accurate in the vast majority of his criticisms of the Bush/Cheney oversight of the Iraq Invasion.

The fact that the Marines at Haditha avoided convictions doesn't change that fact.

#201 | Posted by moder8

Pretty fucking funny coming from a Intenet Bullshitter who would have us believe has a Law Degree. Is that how it works, Moder8? A charge without a conviction? You are a P.O.S.

Well, there goes the one flight into that airport....

And Wissy, you are both a P.O.S. and an irrelevant troll. Stay classy.

Actually, Murtha was generally speaking correct about his concerns of U.S. military servicemen committing atrocities in Iraq but avoiding justice. The fact that the Marines at Haditha avoided convictions doesn't change that fact.

#201 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-02-08 08:27 PM

The closest you ever came to kicking my ass is giving it a good licking.

Did your 8 year old give you that one?

what a fucking loser.

And again, if you are denigrating Murtha for changing his stance on iraqnam after learning he was DUPED by aWol/hallichainy etc.... then again, it is just partisan politics on your part.

there is nothing dems won't get a pass on from shills like Woke.

yeah, sure, Murtha was "duped".

If he was then he was too fucking stupid to be there in the first place.

And the same goes for any democrat who claims to have been "duped".

I like how Murtha was duped into voting for Iraq, but had all the inside info. on the Haditha marines before the official investigation was complete.

there is nothing dems won't get a pass on from shills like Woke.

lilaWoke is admitting that murtha was dumber than a chimpanzee

excellent point Goat. All the dems are laughing their asses off at douchnozzles like Woke who actually think Murtha, Kerry etc only had access to CNN or Fox News.

How much more bullshit can Woke swallow from them?

At least when a republican lies, I see it .

Woke can't. He just can't. Neither can Corky, Doc, Boob, Moder8, AU.

They are the clowns who will NEVER leave the dems corner....no matter how bad they smell.

EBERLY

So, why did I vote Lamar Alexander for Senate if I'm such an ultra partisan? Tell you why. I thought he was a great governor (who I voted for) and a reasonable, civil person. The kind of politician I want representing me. I've been disappointed he's taken the 'no' tact on nearly every issue, but whatever.

I remember a time when Americans disagreed but didn't try to take each other's heads off. This site could be a place to discuss politics and, of course, disagree passiontely but without getting personal. But look at how it usually is. Pettiness, trolling, grown men acting like angry little boys having a schoolyard fight, people saying the nastiest things they can think of for a girlish giggle. "Misery loves company"? Probably.

So the swamp drained a little today at least.

I really get tired of hearing the same old circle jerk on here. A democrat dies and some repubs start the good fucking riddance or a republican dies and democrats chant "rot in hell evil bastard".

Opposing someone's views because you believe them to be wrong is fine or expecting that person to follow the law or be accountable is also fine. But when the are dead its time to let go on both sides.

I didn't like Murtha because I felt he was a corrupt politician but the time for bashing him or his politics is over. Let him rest in peace.

"I've read the first few posts above about the death earlier today of a prominent Democrat. Stay classy rightwingers. (Unbelievable)"

Wow. you must have NEVER posted/read the threads about ANY republicans that had died or come close to death. Lets face facts people; When a Dem/Librel dies the Reps/COnsevatives tend to be prety hatefull and vice versa, frankly it makes me throw up in my mouth a little either way.

Both the establishment parties need to "stay classy" if by "stay classy" you mean spitefull, hatefilled and blinded by party memberships. Maybe then they can disgust enough open minded, civic participants to wrestle power back to the people at the ballot box.

Murtha was a decorated War Vet with a long and distinguished record.

Murtha was also one of the few people to call a spade a spade in re the massacre in Iraq that subsequently got covered up.

That he was also an apparatchik of the Military Industrial Complex is Spud's only real problem with the man.

RIP John Murtha.

Thoughts and condolences to friends and family.

Be Well.

/Anybody who thinks that the death of Murtha means the end to the Pentagon System of privatized profits and publically subsidized research hasn't been paying attention at all.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't John Murtha one of Charlie Wilson's boys in Congress that facilitated Reagan's covert war in Afganistan and then walked away after the Russians left

Two separate issues mentioned, BIGPUN

When Reagan was president, our arch enemy were the Soviets. We'd fought a lot of conflicts to keep Communism from spreading. It was the times.

It wasn't Murtha's call whether or not we stayed in Afghanistan once the Soviets pulled out. That was the CIA's and Reagan's call. I was a major blunder to leave a power vacuum and loads of weapons.

The war in Afganistan would have never been fought without the Dems in Congress working with Reagan. Congress controlled the purse strings. The CIA could never fought such an expensive covert war in Afganistan without Congressional approval. Murtha was Defense Appropriations Chair.

I didn't read all the posts... so if this has been touched on, my bad.

The man died from complications from what, to my layman's understanding, was a relatively common surgery. (gall bladder) Maybe he had other health issues which necessarily complicated an otherwise routine procedure, but whether left or right... you're never guaranteed tomorrow.

Sure, I disagreed with his politics but the dude had a family and friends. We all die from something - just that dying from fairly routine surgery isn't something many saw coming.

Maybe his fairly sudden passing will prompt some of us to let our loved ones know how we feel about them.

We now rejoin our partisan jabs... already in progress...

Somehow I doubt that the pathetic rightwing douche bags in this thread who are now celebrating Murtha's death ever take the goddamned time to rip corrupt assholes like Ollie North.

Jack Murtha
1932 - 2010
RIP Marine

I voted for Murtha every time since I could vote. But the last two elections I just couldn't. He was getting a little wacky towards the end and I couldn't support his comments on Iraq or calling us racists during the last presidential election.

And Wissy, you are both a P.O.S. and an irrelevant troll. Stay classy.

#208 | Posted by moder8

Pissed I called you out for your stupidity again? Or did they teach you in Law school that people who aren't convicted are still quilty? If you're a Public Defender, I'm an Iron Chef, bullshitter.

Why was he being operated on at the VA? Is the Arlington VA better than most others? I'm pretty sure this guy was covered to go to a better hospital... Wonder if he was trying to score political points and it bit him on the ass.
#147 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE AT 2010-02-08 06:20 PM

I know a little bit about how surgeries in the VA work...
#160 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE AT 2010-02-08 06:56 PM

I could tell stories that would horrify you guys of what goes on at a VA.#188 | POSTED BY ROB_THE_A_HOLE AT 2010-02-08 07:33 PM

Then, once you understand he wasn't in a VA hospital, you change your tack to: Why wasn't he in a VA hospital....etc......Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, eh?

Yeah, you aren't trying to score political points off of the man's death at all......

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Thanks OOHRAH,

You have restored my faith that not ALL DR righties are disgusting, partisans who attempt to place politics above our country at every turn.

222

As I noted earlier in the thread, the right LOVED Murtha when he voted for all those pentagon/military fundings for 20 years.......

Complications of GALLBLADDER surgery?

"Complications of GALLBLADDER surgery?"

Infection secondary to "damage" to the intestines. Likely they perf'ed the large bowel causing what should go outside to go inside. Question is whether this is a routine risk of the type of surgery or whether there was a screw-up. Doubt Murtha cares which, though.

After what he did to Our Marines, I hope he suffered.

Look at all the hate from the big tent crowd.

ever take the goddamned time to rip corrupt assholes like Ollie North.

They idolize him.

A true American hero defamed by the Lunatic Right what a Fucking Country!!!!!

Look at all the hate from the big tent crowd.

#233 | Posted by 726

Not to mention the Marine Corps.

wont speak ill of the dead except for scumbag fuckers like teddy kennedy or any of the other famous MURDERERS...

and brit hume last night even said that earlier in his career he was productive. too bad that the only thing we know him by is his dealings in the past couple of years.

The right, who loved Murtha as long as he voted for all those pentagon/military expenditures, turned on him when he began questioning the lies that took us into iraqnam and the incompentent prosecution of that invasion/occupation.

And they attempt to claim he dissed the corps (Marines) with no knowledge of the incident. (but he met with Marine commanders as part of his congressional oversight prior to making the statements) The military and, in particular, the Marines were Murtha's heart and soul.

Murtha's statement:

"There was no firefight, there was no IED (improvised explosive device) that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

#235 | Posted by celisary - after polling several of my marine friends, all conclude "good riddance" - the USAF, USN, and the Army are still weighing in - who knew a "hero" could generate so much hatred in our armed forces?

::smirk::

#230 | Posted by richardrhine - yes, even his body knew he had more gall than it could stand.

As for me, I will continue to pray this nation is restored to something resembling what was intended and especially if it means evil be taken out of the way, so be it.

I will not speculate as to where he is spending eternity - not my call. Wonder who will replace him?

This fine ABSCAM congressman is a model Dem.

A true Dem. Corpse-man!

Woke,

what bugged me about the incident Murtha made an issue of wasn't that it was something we should ignore or not call it what it was. It was a horrible incident and we were at fault.

But the global media spectacle that ensued after Murtha's extremely public comments did nothing to help our soldiers IMO. In fact, I would argue that things got harder for them. Certainly the incident needed to be addressed but couldn't it have been done more discretely?

I'm sure I will get lambasted for this but, IMO, I still maintain Murtha did that for political partisan reasons and not for the good of our soldiers.

I had a client who's brother was a 3-Star in Iraq reporting directly to Petraeus and his opinion was exactly that...political posturing, pandering etc....NOT for the good of our military. You can discount his opinion if you want but if he agreed with Murtha then would you ignore him then?

Woke, since you love Murtha so much, and those that defend this nation so little, feel free to climb right in with Murtha and join him on his final journey. I'm sure we'd all be happier.

#240 | POSTED BY SPOKANEJIM AT 2010-02-09 12:41 PM

Well, we are all gonna die eventually right Jim?

As a war veteran myself, I feel it necessary to hear how YOU have served our country.....besides smearing decorated war veterans who have the audacity to speak TRUTH when they return, like Murtha. The fact is that Murtha did much to support the military while serving our country.....and speaking truth about Haditha was just another part of his service, especially considering that his congressional committee oversees the military.

Do tell us HOW you have served our country. Feel free to compare and contrast what you have done for all of us with what Murtha did, both during 30 yrs of Marine corps service, as well as his congressional service.

Woke, I wish you would stop your chest thumping about your service. On both sides of the aisle here, you are the only one who keeps bringing up your service and using it as a cruth by implying that those who didn't serve aren't worthy of an opinion.

Give it up.

Goat,

He can't. He just can't. We all have our limitations.

Woke is very limited by that. He absolutely can't blog without wrapping himself in that. He thinks it insulates him from criticism.

RE: #243 | Posted by woke .....and speaking truth about Haditha was just another part of his service, especially considering that his congressional committee oversees the military.

He spoke no truth on Haditha you dem-hack! This SOB gave aid to the enemy and his own political career by sacrificing his own. Period! That you served in the armed forces gives no credibility to shilling for this POS. He was scum, and so are you. Good riddance!

#243 | Posted by woke at 2010-02-09 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're such a dumb fuck. I've been places that I can't even talk about, suckfest. It sucks that I've aged out of my past work, but retirement comes to all. Punks like you who claim to be a "combat veteran" because you looked out a cafeteria window one day and saw real soldiers make me puke. In the old days we'd take you on an hour drive into the jungle for an attitude adjustment and let you walk back, if you could. Frankly, I doubt you've ever fired a weapon beyond your XBox 360.

Woke,
what bugged me about the incident Murtha made an issue of wasn't that it was something we should ignore or not call it what it was. It was a horrible incident and we were at fault.

But the global media spectacle that ensued after Murtha's extremely public comments did nothing to help our soldiers IMO.

In fact, I would argue that things got harder for them. Certainly the incident needed to be addressed but couldn't it have been done more discretely?

I'm sure I will get lambasted for this but, IMO, I still maintain Murtha did that for political partisan reasons and not for the good of our soldiers.

#242 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 12:43 PM

1st: Thanks for the civil comment. It is always appreciated.

2nd: We disagree that hiding these kinds of incidents and pretending they didn't occur is better for our troops and country. I disagree with Obama on that also, though i support his decision to not show more abu photos while our troops are still in harm's way, especially since some have already been shown.

What happens when these incidents do surface, despite the attempts to hide them? Credibility lost along with moral high ground, eh?

3rd: The backlash of Murtha's truthful comments about Haditha did not help him politically and surely you can see that. Think of the price he paid for speaking truth. Same as Kerry has paid for reporting what 100 other Vietnam vets said at Winter Soldier. Same as the backlash I get here at DR and other blogs for daring to be a war vet who questions our govt and military.

4th: The M.O. when these incidents occur is to:

1. stonewall and cover up.
2. deny until proven
3. once proven, offer up 1 or 2 low level troops to be punished as was done with MeLai and Abu....while ignoring the policies that come from above

This is why Winter Soldier happened. We returning war vets were outraged that Lt. Calley was made a scapegoat for an incident that was unwritten US military policy in VN....."free fire zones" and "search and destroy" missions that included civilians.

Wonder when hallichainy will be prosecuted for his lies that placed our troops in harm's way in iraqnam and for supporting/directing torture interrogations??

As for the "global media", try looking at what O'Reilly, Cavuto, Beck, Malkin, et al did with Murtha's truthful statement. They generalized it, lied about what was said, then used it to skewer him from their media pulpets......

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USAF security 68-72

including flightline, perimeter and convoy security in III Corps VN.

241/246

Continuing to spread smear lies about Murtha, who spoke about Haditha AFTER meeting with Marine commanders as part of his congressional committee oversight and what he said was, in fact, supported by the NCIS report AND about abscam, in which he was not charged makes you what?

I've already posted referenced links to prove both on this very thread)

244

The ONLY time I have EVER brought up my war service has been in repsonse to pathetic righty chickenhawks like yourself who DENIGRATE war veterans, while never having served in a war zone yourself.

Don't like having those facts in your face?

Stop denigrating war veterans based on your politics.

Woke, continue your idiocy if you please, no matter, but answer your question I cannot. These sites allow a certain anonymity, which is the only reason I'm allowed to blather on, just a little. Because you have a portion of my name, other information would likely cause a break in an oath I took many, many years ago. Only a short time was spent in the regular forces, anyway. Rag on, you wouldn't believe anything I would say anyway. But you simply are not important enough. Suffice to say I've seen the devil and lived to (not) talk about it.

Goat,
He can't. He just can't. We all have our limitations.
Woke is very limited by that. He absolutely can't blog without wrapping himself in that. He thinks it insulates him from criticism.

#245 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 12:59 PM

All due respect, to the contrary, my war veteran status combined with my anti war stance has gotten me nothing but hate and smears from the righties online,.......and Goat leads that pack.

Perhaps you might want to think about why it is that the right wing repugs who think it so fine to "support our troops" when sending them into war to defend our constitution,rights, and country, have such a problem with those same war vets using those rights when they return?

GOP=Politics over honor and country

1. I'm allowed to blather on,

2. you wouldn't believe anything I would say anyway.

#251 | POSTED BY SPOKANEJIM AT 2010-02-09 01:38 PM

1. You certainly are.

2. You certainly have that right.

3. Honor the warriors, not the war

my war veteran status combined with my anti war stance has gotten me nothing but hate and smears from the righties online,.......

Oh, fuck off. It's your stupidity that gets you hate and smears. I'm a veteran -- are you suggesting I am self-loathing?

Get over this "I'm a war vet so that makes me better than you" bullshit.

GOP=Politics over honor and country

I remember you once told me that if I didn't have anything new to say to STFU. Well, hypocrite? HOw many more times are you going to show us that it is "do as I say, not as I do" with you?

All due respect, to the contrary, my war veteran status combined with my anti war stance has gotten me nothing but hate and smears from the righties online,.......
Posted by woke

No woke, it's because you're an idiot and a toaddy.

The proof of righties on DR hating war vets who return, use the rights they fought for and question the neocon/repug's wars and incompetence is easily seen right on this thread.

As I said, Murtha was their hero for all his pentagon/military earmarks BEFORE he spoke out against the lies/misinformation that took us into iraqnam and the incompetent prosecution of that occupation and the horrible incidents like Abu and Haditha.

As for Goatman, the patriot.....

Woke pulls Max around by his dick if that didn't get blown off. It probably did though -- by woke
#140 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 11:11 AM

Tell you what Goatman, If I can produce a post where you denigrated a war veteran will you stop posting on DR?
Of course not. I admit I do it.
#84 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-12-17 12:02 AM

Funny how Max can make a mini skirt look like a full length one, too. #132 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-04 05:13 PM

Denigrating decorated war veterans for political gain is bad enough. Being proud of it is a whole other level of scummy, imo.

As for all of you who support those kinds of statements, as well as the smears on Murtha seen on this page, all of which have been debunked.....did your mom and dad ever tell you that you will be known by the company you keep?

So woke is saying if you don't like Max Cleland, you are not a patriot. Brilliant, woke. I'll bet even Max would defend my right to call him whatever I want. Woke, OTOH, doesn't believe in the first amendment. To utilize it in z way woke disagrees with means one is not a patriot. Got it, lilaWoke.

Oh, BTW, how many more times are you going to display your hypocrisy, eh?

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Who was the surgeon?

We disagree that hiding these kinds of incidents and pretending they didn't occur is better for our troops and country.

no, we agree on that. I didn't say shit about "hiding these kinds of incidents and pretending they didn't occur". you can't read or interpret at all. I only referred to what he did ON CAMERA FROM THE FLOOR. Many things are addressed by congress (more than you or I will ever know) in closed door meetings. It would have been more appropriate to address this with more discretion. He chose to make it a global media event....

and he did it for his own political gain and nothing more.

All due respect, to the contrary, my war veteran status combined with my anti war stance has gotten me nothing but hate and smears from the righties online,

complete bullshit. more victimization of yourself for being a war veteran. you are doing it now just like i said. you can't blog without it. you can't.

News wont say who did the laporascope it only says SURGEONS did the laporascope

Only one surgean can run a scope...
Who is the surgeon?
What is his name?
Where did he go to school?

Anyone find out?

So, was it Murtha's fault that the rw media used his comments for political gain?

yes. ALL media gained from it...not just "rw media".

nice try.

Sorry, but "nicking" a bowel with a laporascope is almost unheard of.

1. I didn't say shit about "hiding these kinds of incidents

2. He chose to make it a global media event....
and he did it for his own political gain and nothing more.

3. complete bullshit. more victimization of yourself for being a war veteran. you are doing it now just like i said. you can't blog without it. you can't.

#259 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 02:51 PM

1. Sure, do your little tap dance, but at post # 242, you clearly said: " But the global media spectacle that ensued after Murtha's extremely public comments did nothing to help our soldiers IMO"
" couldn't it have been done more discretely?"

You clearly stated you didn't think he should have spoken of it in public.....Would that not be HIDING it? I guess you don't prefer freedom of the press or transparency of our govt and military....I do

2. So, show us how Murtha speaking truth (or Kerry or Cleland) benefitted them politically. You cannot do so, because it didn't benefit them politically at all and the smears of your right wing brethern are proof of that, even after they DIE.

3.. Show ONE post I've ever made trumpeting my war vet status that wasn't first precipitated by a post denigrating a war vet, including this thread.

You and your little hateful buddies are claiming I bring up my war vet status EVERYTIME I post, as if I bring it up on threads about the economy or palin or any topic, yet, I ONLY bring it up in response to those who denigrate war vets for political gain. If you have a problem with me bringing it up in reply to rw posters denigrating war vets, why not question WHY those scum are doing so, instead of hating on me?

I'm not claiming victimhood, merely pointing out that the scum that denigrate war vets are doing so based solely on politics.

Is that my right to do so?

Did I tell you or anyone else to stfu? Which post was that?

You boys decry me using my own free speech, (or Murtha or Kerry or Cleland using theirs), but yet, you cry like babies that I'm trying to squelch your freedom to denigrate those war vets while telling me to stfu.

(see yourself decrying Murtha speaking truth and post#257)

Think on that. It is EXACTLY my point in these discussions. YOU yourself are claiming Murtha should have stfu publicly, NO? Am I misstating your pov?

Again, what happens when these incidents are hidden and then later revealed and that they were stonewalled? Insult into injury. No?

You right wing boys are pretty damned hypocritical imo.

NONE of you have fought for free speech, yet you denigrate any vet who returns to use it.

You clearly stated you didn't think he should have spoken of it in public.....Would that not be HIDING it?

from you and me, yes. from executive, legistative, and military leadership? hell no. and the incident should be dealt with.

Good God. You act as if this sort of thing never happened in WW 1 or WW2 or Korea etc.... how naive can you be?

So, show us how Murtha speaking truth (or Kerry or Cleland) benefitted them politically.

good point. I don't really know....which makes it kind of dumb for them to do it. They wanted it to benefit them politically...just didn't work.

You and your little hateful buddies are claiming I bring up my war vet status EVERYTIME I post,

how dense are you? Cleland gets brought EVERYTIME specifically to piss you off. If you can't see that then you are too stupid to be here. Personally I think you know that but need a reason to turn EVERY THREAD into "denigrating a war veteran.......bullshit" EVERY TIME.

Again, what happens when these incidents are hidden and then later revealed and that they were stonewalled? Insult into injury. No?

what happens when our soldiers get targeted due to the enemy watching Murtha on CNN?

no insult....just injury and death.

thanks for you support of our soldiers Woke.

With friends like you, our military doesn't need enemies.

3.. Show ONE post I've ever made trumpeting my war vet status that wasn't first precipitated by a post denigrating a war vet, including this thread.

That's easy. Post 243.

Did I tell you or anyone else to stfu? Which post was that?

That's easy, too,

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

1. what happens when our soldiers get targeted due to the enemy watching Murtha on CNN?

2. thanks for you support of our soldiers Woke.
With friends like you, our military doesn't need enemies.

#264 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 04:20 PM

1. So, you don't understand that our troops are ALREADY being targeted for occupying a foreign country, eh? That truth undercuts your "logic".

You refuse to see that they are already targets and that the same increased targeting you speak of will occur when these incidents do surface (despite the attempts to squelch them) AND you must also be unable to see the increased recruitment that results from them seeing us as LIARS, as well as, torturers and terrorists....the very thing we claim we are attempting to stop.

Somehow, in your mind, speaking truth and having transparency in our govt and military means we are "targeting" our troops and not supporting them? I'd say that those who attempt to stonewall these incidents are who are doing more harm...to those troops who DON"T resort to such tactics and are genuinely attempting to do their duty correctly. Only by showing that we deal quickly and without stonewall and within the laws of our land can we show those "others" that America acts as it speaks and follows it's own dictates. Your pov undercuts those things and helps the enemy prove we are liars.

2. Let's get it straight here buddy.
It is Goatman and several other right wingers who denigrate our war veterans repeatedly here on DR.
Yes, that is a major issue for me.
And yes, I'm going to point it out whenever it's posted.
Why is it not an issue for you?
Because you grant them free speech to do so?

Do you grant the same free speech to Murtha, Kerry, Cleland and me to speak our minds without calling us traitors or claiming we are not "supporting our troops"?

Apparently not, eh?

Somehow, in your mind, speaking truth and having transparency in our govt and military means we are "targeting" our troops and not supporting them?

the way Murtha did?

yes.

Your pov undercuts those things and helps the enemy prove we are liars.

no it doesn't. what bullshit.

Only by showing that we deal quickly and without stonewall and within the laws of our land can we show those "others" that America acts as it speaks and follows it's own dictates.

thats the "only way". you are an idiot. that can be done without all of the "look at me....look at me" bullshit. you don't get that though. you loved the political points Murtha scored. The military didn't and it hurt us. It didn't help us. you loved it anyway.

again, with friends like you, we don't need anymore enemies.

Why is it not an issue for you?

because 99% of it is designed to piss you off...nothing more. My 9 and 7 year olds have that game figure out.

somehow....you don't.

Because you grant them free speech to do so?

I don't grant rights.....all rights come from the govt. just ask your siamese twin (attached at the ass) buffalobob.

1.

"Show ONE post I've ever made trumpeting my war vet status that wasn't first precipitated by a post denigrating a war vet, including this thread".

That's easy. Post 243.

2.
Did I tell you or anyone else to stfu? Which post was that?
That's easy, too,
and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?
#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

You may now begin doing your Herr Goebbels impersonation and spin it a few thousand times until you think someone believes you. LOL
#265 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-09 04:25 PM

1.
Uh, post 243 was in response to this post, #240. I guess you might realize that Murtha is a war vet and your lil rw buddy, was denigrating him, eh?

Woke, since you love Murtha so much, and those that defend this nation so little, feel free to climb right in with Murtha and join him on his final journey. I'm sure we'd all be happier.
#240 | POSTED BY SPOKANEJIM AT 2010-02-09 12:41 PM

See, I DID defend this nation Goatman and I resent those who claim i didn't. And I feel justified in presenting my war vet creds to people like this cat.

2.

What day is this?

What year is this?

Which thread is this?

3. YOU are once again shown to be wrong. I won't call you a liar, since that is your favorite thing to do to anyone pointing out your idiocy. Let's just say you must be too stupid to know when you have it wrong and leave it at that.

Somehow, in your mind, speaking truth and having transparency in our govt and military means we are "targeting" our troops and not supporting them?
the way Murtha did?
1. yes.

Your pov undercuts those things and helps the enemy prove we are liars.
2. no it doesn't. what bullshit.

Only by showing that we deal quickly and without stonewall and within the laws of our land can we show those "others" that America acts as it speaks and follows it's own dictates.

3. thats the "only way". you are an idiot. that can be done without all of the "look at me....look at me" bullshit. you don't get that though. you loved the political points Murtha scored. The military didn't and it hurt us. It didn't help us. you loved it anyway.
again, with friends like you, we don't need anymore enemies.

Why is it not an issue for you?
4. because 99% of it is designed to piss you off...nothing more. My 9 and 7 year olds have that game figure out.
somehow....you don't.

Because you grant them free speech to do so?
5. I don't grant rights.....all rights come from the govt. just ask your siamese twin (attached at the ass) buffalobob.

#267 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 05:56 PM

1. So how does speaking truth behind closed doors insure our transparency and right to know?

2. Yes it does. When abu or haditha info surfaces and we are shown to not be what we claim AND try to lie about it, it hurts us worse. Cursing didn't help your lack of argument.

3. No argument, just namecalling. Oh, and a huge helping of projection too,...... Really having trouble defending your own bullshit eh? Tell us...how can we have freedom and transparency when the truth is hidden from us behind closed doors?

4. It's not a game to me to defend the honor of war vets AND to point out the hypocrisy of those who claim to support our vets actually think they should be denigrated for using their rights.
Big fun game for you and your right wing cronys tho, eh?

5. I don't know Bob, but apparently like myself, he has the audacity to call you and your right wingnut buddies here on DR when they post lies, misinformation and bullshit and expect it to be passed on as truth.

It really pisses you and your buddies off to be corrected.
It's funny to watch.
When you post your rw bs on rw sites, nobody corrects it do they?

Poor woke.

1) so you are moving the goalpost. First "show me the post", now "Show me the post that led to the post that led to the post". LOL
2) Look it up, loser. I'm not your personal calendar. What difference does it make anyway? Or are you moving the goalposts again to put a timeframe on it now?
3) Keep saying it, Herr lilaWoke. LOL

Besides, lilaWoke do you think anyone cares why you keep thumping your chest about your veteran status? I don't think so. There are dozens of other veterans here and you don't see a one bringing up the subject of their service every day, several times a day.

Get over it. You ain't as special as you think and all that DD214 and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Deal with it.

Will they bury him or just screw him into the ground?

So how does speaking truth behind closed doors insure our transparency and right to know?

it doesn't. who promised you that?

oh...wait. I know. how is that coming?

LOL

Truth is truth you idiot. and respecting the danger our soldiers are in trumps any right you think you have to know what is going on. nobody gives a shit what you think anyway....certainly not Murtha.

he didn't shout that shit into the microphone to satisfy you Woke. The fact that you believe that shows us what a obedient little sheep for the left you are.

The rest of your post is same blah blah blah war veteran blah blah blah denigrate them blah blah blah I'm a vet blah blah blah

Well said...

So how does speaking truth behind closed doors insure our transparency and right to know?
it doesn't. who promised you that?
#273 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 10:03 PM

Oh, I see Eb. You are all for free speech and transparency in our govt and insuring incidents like abu and haditha are not covered up, as long as no one speaks of them publicly.

Yeah, that makes sense.

And, tap dance all you want, but that IS what you said son:
>>>

what bugged me about the incident Murtha made an issue of wasn't that it was something we should ignore or not call it what it was. It was a horrible incident and we were at fault.
But the global media spectacle that ensued after Murtha's extremely public comments did nothing to help our soldiers IMO.
In fact, I would argue that things got harder for them. Certainly the incident needed to be addressed but couldn't it have been done more discretely?
I'm sure I will get lambasted for this but, IMO, I still maintain Murtha did that for political partisan reasons and not for the good of our soldiers.
#242 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-09 12:43 PM

You are entitled to your opinion. I believe I'll stick with our elected reps doing their jobs, overseeing the military and reporting to us wtf is going on......and maintaining transparency.

Again, our troops are ALREADY IN harm's way. You act as if they are not and speaking truth of these kinds of actions places them in harm's way.

You pretend you know more about it than a 30 year decorated war vet who spent 26 years on a committee charged with overseeing the military. Apparently, rushaddict or some other chickenhawk blowhard told you what to think about the issue, ignoring what is in the best interests of our troops, our citizens, and our democracy.

Then, you call me an idiot.
Perhaps because you know your argument is specious, eh?

Look it up.

Oh, I see Eb. You are all for free speech and transparency in our govt and insuring incidents like abu and haditha are not covered up, as long as no one speaks of them publicly.

Woke, OTOH, is all for free speech and speaking publicly, but it has to be something he approves of first. Since he doesn't approve of dissing Max Cleland, he will label you a non-patriot if you exercise your free speech in a manner that is not complementary of him.

eh?

There are dozens of other veterans here and you don't see a one bringing up the subject of their service every day, several times a day.
Get over it. You ain't as special as you think and all that DD214 and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Deal with it.

#271 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-09 07:08 PM

I wonder. How many veterans post on DR who have actually been in any kind of war zone or combat?

Why don't you start a thread about that Goatman. Then, we can ask all the war vets what they think about your penchant for denigrating war vets based on your politics.

>>>>
Woke pulls Max around by his dick if that didn't get blown off. It probably did though -- by woke
#140 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 11:11 AM

Tell you what Goatman, If I can produce a post where you denigrated a war veteran will you stop posting on DR?=woke

Of course not. I admit I do it.
#84 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-12-17 12:02 AM

Funny how Max can make a mini skirt look like a full length one, too. #132 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-04 05:13 PM

I wonder. How many veterans post on DR who have actually been in any kind of war zone or combat?

A lot of them. (including me) Your point?

Why don't you start a thread about that Goatman.

I don't care. WHy don't you?

A lot of them. (including me) Your point?

#278 | Posted by goatman

Subic City doesn't count.

Olangapo maybe, depending on the day of the week.

Goatman,

I thought you said you'd never been in a war zone or saw action?

Do tell us all about it.

Or are you just spewing BS again, as usual.

mos
dos
duty locations

Again, I'd love to see a thread where actual war veterans weigh in on you and your right wingnut buddies denigrating war vets based on your politicsl.......

I thought you said you'd never been in a war zone or saw action

I said I wasn't ever shot at or in Vietnam

I was on the USS Holt during the Mayaguez incident. I was on the USS Montgomery during the first Gulf of Sidra incident. Both times we got tax free pay which you only get when in combat situation.

But, BFD, I don't keep on and on about it like you do your service. Give it up woke.

Again, I'd love to see a thread where ..

Again, then start one. duh

Subic City doesn't count.

Olangapo maybe, depending on the day of the week.

Subic City was a lot dicier than Olangapo. I didn't have to watch my back in Olangapo, but I sure did in Subic City

Tax free pay....i guess I've misjudged you goatman....

mos
dos

btw, I honor your service, unlike you do to any war vet having the audacity to return and speak truth to power or that you don't agree with politically.

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I don't believe there are many actual military vets who have participated in war zones and saw action.....but I'd love to see them weigh in on you and your wingnut buddy's denigrating those who have.......based on politics.

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Again, the ONLY time I have ever brought up my service here on DR was in response to you or one of your wingnut buddies denigrating a war vet's service OR denigrating me as having not served, as was done in this very thread.....

So continue to spew your BS insults and misinformation about me.

Continue to denigrate those who've served based on your pathetic partisan politics....

It's on you.....and shows your lack of care for vets, and lack of understanding of our rights and democracy, imo.

Sure, you have free speech to denigrate other vets based on their politics, but....WHY would you do so?

It's pathetic.

GOP=Politics over honor and country

#252 | Posted by woke at 2010

utter and complete partisan nonsense.
the only way I would ever even consider this statement would be some sort of admission that many dems are just as if not more guilty of this 'sin'.
but no...thats just not going to happen is it?

but no...thats just not going to happen is it?

I was not limiting this charge to just you but to the radical leftists commie pinko spies that live here.

Two things to say here:

1) Why even bother putting up death notices if you know you're just going to get posts like my follow-up to number one?

2) This guy was a grade A Douche-Bag and I hope he is judged as harshly in the after life as he did of the untried Marines.

Murtha spoke truth about Haditha. He did so after being briefed by Marine commanders.

Regardless of how badly the right wingnuts want to denigrate him, until he spoke out against the lies/misinformation and incompetent prosecution of an unnecessary invasion/occupation, the right LOVED him due to his earmarks (pork) for pentagon/military projects.

Which proves their support for vets is based solely on politics and not honor, service, or truth.

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Sure afk, all you have to do now to PROVE your assertion is find ANY lefty making the kinds of smears/denigrations against war vets seen by righties on this very thread about the death of a 30 year Marine, Vietnam war vet, who served in congress overseeing military matters for 26 years.

Let's see em.

No?

Then your contention is just more pure rw BS, eh?

Hey Woke, if he spoke the truth, why were the Marines all acquitted? Magic? Or are you going to come up with some other liberal bullshit?

Why should the fact that this guy honorably served in Vietnam make him exempt from any criticism of reckless statements as a representative of the Federal Government which he made against pre-tried Marines also serving honorably.

I'm not commenting on his service, I'm commenting on the dirt-bag's pathetic service in the Congress.

1. Hey Woke, if he spoke the truth,why were the Marines all acquitted?

Magic? Or are you going to come up with some other liberal bullshit?

2. Why should the fact that this guy honorably served in Vietnam make him exempt from any criticism of reckless statements as a representative of the Federal Government which he made against pre-tried Marines also serving honorably.

3. I'm not commenting on his service, I'm commenting on the dirt-bag's pathetic service in the Congress.
newsmax.com

#292 | POSTED BY BRENTRICE1 AT 2010-02-10 11:35 AM

1. They weren't. Perhaps if you'd bother to read some real news and the NCIS report, you'd realize he spoke truth AFTER being briefed.
(newsmax=rw propaganda)

Some of us have already posted links to credible news sources and the NCIS report which coroborated Murtha's statements, (see posts # 61, 88 and 238)
on how the rw media misquoted then attacked murtha=post 133,

on how Murtha was not charged in the fbi/abscam/entrapment by a 3 time con man felon who earned $150k at post 71)

2. It shouldn't, but Murtha served both in the Marines honorably and in the congress admirably.

3. In fact, in his service in congress..he served on committees overseeing the military and no one helped send more money to the pentagon/military than he did.

Now what? Are you gonna come up with some more rightwingnut smears of war vets/reps who point out the incompetence of that last regime's unnecessary invasion/occupation of a country that never attacked the USA?

I see G. I. Douchebag is slandering the troops again.

Woke, the only guy spewing (insert direction here)wingnut bullshit is you.

You party followers are all the same on both sides. I vote for candidates that represent me, not a party.

Instead of spewing rw propaganda BS about Haditha and Murtha, why not read some credible info directly from the military's own investigation?

Here ya go:

Tax free pay....i guess I've misjudged you goatman....

Unlike you lilaWoke, I don't expect any special judgement or consideration for doing a job I volunteered to take

It's on you.....and shows your lack of care for vets,

So in your eyes all vets are off limits as far as criticism goes. Well tough shit. A veteran is as open a target as anyone else, lilaWoke. Deal with it.

I see G. I. Douchebag is slandering the troops again.
#294 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-10 12:05 PM

I'd like to propose at toast.....Good riddence.
#2 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-08 02:51 PM

Maybe the Doctors removed too much pork while trying to find his gall bladder....
#9 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-08 03:01 PM

It is clearly seen on this very thread who the people are that are denigrating/smearing/
slandering the troops. Namely, Murtha, who spoke the truth about Haditha, Iraqnam, and the lies that put our troops in harm's way there.

Murtha stated:

on November 19th, we had an incident in Haditha in Anbar province, where a Marine was killed with an IED. Time magazine reported it, and it's kind of a puzzling report, because they're investigating it right now. Let me tell you what the consequences of this have been.

It's much worse than reported in Time magazine. There was no fire fight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. And that's what the report is going to tell

The NCIS report stated:

"Maj. Gen. Eldon A. Bargewell's 104-page report on Haditha is scathing in its criticism of the Marines' actions, from the enlisted men who were involved in the shootings on Nov. 19, 2005, to the two-star general who commanded the 2nd Marine Division in Iraq at the time. Bargewell's previously undisclosed report, obtained by The Washington Post, found that officers may have willfully ignored reports of the civilian deaths to protect themselves and their units from blame. He concluded that there also was no interest at any level in investigating allegations of a massacre.

Now, all you wingnuts charging others with "slander" perhaps need to understand 1. that slander involves untrue statements and 2. that Murtha spoke truth after meeting with Marine commanders as part of his job in congress and 3. He actually gave a reason for this unfortunate incident....the overstressing of our troops due to repeated deployments/stoplosses that placed them in harm's way in a country that did not attack the usa.

get a clue boys

then, if you still wanna claim you are so patriotic......

JOIN the fk up yourselves and serve our country as Murtha did his entire adult life.

Murtha was incredibly wrong with his Marine statements concerning Haditha.

He was a pos at that point.

And he was the unidicted co conspirator of ABSCAM--a crook.

And he was up to his eyeballs with PMA and that still hasn't been fully investigated.

His remarks about the Marines was enemy propaganda.

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Though I honor your service, as i do everyone who served, don't mistake my sarcasm for me pretending you ever served under fire in a war zone.

You didn't, though you claimed to....here:

How many veterans post on DR who have actually been in any kind of war zone or combat?
A lot of them. (including me) Your point?

#278 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-10 09:05 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Then you tap dance around it, admitting you were never under fire but got tax free status.....hilarious buddy!

I said I wasn't ever shot at or in Vietnam

I was on the USS Holt during the Mayaguez incident. I was on the USS Montgomery during the first Gulf of Sidra incident.

Both times we got tax free pay which you only get when in combat situation.

#282 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-10 09:58 AM

Again, why do you denigrate war vets based on politics?

You didn't, though you claimed to....here

"1How many veterans post on DR who have actually been in any kind of war zone or combat?
A lot of them. (including me) Your point?"

I never claimed I was under fire. I claimed I was in a combat zone. As defined by the DoD, I was.

WTF are you talking about, loser?

1. Murtha was incredibly wrong with his Marine statements concerning Haditha.
He was a pos at that point.
2. And he was the unidicted co conspirator of ABSCAM--a crook.
And he was up to his eyeballs with PMA and that still hasn't been fully investigated.

#300 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2010-02-10 12:27 PM

1. Try reading what Murtha said and compare it to what the Marine investigation concluded.

2. The abscam entrapment, which was conducted by a 3 time convicted felon/con man was fbi revenge for congress investigating the fbi. It was roundly and rightly criticized and resulted in oversight in the ways law enforcement can conduct such "operations". Murtha was not charged.

You, like all your rw buddies denigrating Murtha are FOS, eh?

Again, why do you denigrate war vets based on politics?

You should've taken notes. I'm tired of answering that question. In fact, it's answered in post 298. Print it out and tape it to your monitor so you'll see it next time you get the urge to ask that stupid question again.

...admitting you were never under fire but got tax free status.....hilarious buddy!

If you say so.

It is clearly seen on this very thread who the people are that are denigrating/smearing/
slandering the troops.
Posted by woke

I know you knew Moses when he was in short pants, but where did I denigrate troops, FatherTime? My posts are about Murtha, nobody else.

Well, if you weren't in VN, weren't ever in a war zone and never under fire, you can claim being given tax free status gives you the right to trumpet such.

But you still have not told us why you choose to denigrate those who REALLY spent time under fire for politics.

Were you not honorably discharged or what?

Just wtf is your major problem with war vets speaking their minds politically, even if it doesn't coincide with your own beliefs?

Who else should more have the right to do so?

As I said, the right LOVED Murtha AND his earmarks to the pentagon/military until he chose to speak up against the lies that took us to iraqnam AND the pathetic incompetence of the bush regime once our troops were in harm's way there.

I know you knew Moses when he was in short pants, but where did I denigrate troops, FatherTime? My posts are about Murtha, nobody else.

#307 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-10 12:42 PM flag: logic challenged

Uh, Murtha served in the Marines for 30 years, but you don't think he's a "troop"?

Denigrate means criticize unfairly. I do believe I have debunked all the rw bullshit spewed on this thread about him, from the earmarks to the military, which righties LOVE to the abscam ENTRAPMENT, to the truth statement he made on the Haditha incident....blaming their repeated deployments....

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Oh, ok.

You think it's fine to denigrate war vets based solely on their politics, though they fought for the right to dissent and free speech.

I see.

And you think that makes sense too, i betcha, eh?

I don't.

I think it means you place partisan politics over our vets, honor and our country....

There will be a memorial service for Murtha the Mouth at John Murtha Airport in PA as soon as the current "global warming" storm crisis is over. Be sure to book your tickets early because there are only about three commercial flights a week into the airport. Spend a couple of days while you're there and see how millions of your tax dollars have been well-spent for this critical, strategic airfield.

Woke, when you post the words "Vets" and "Troops", we sometimes forget you're an idiot and think you mean plural. But of course this is our fault for not being antiques.

But you still have not told us why you choose to denigrate those who REALLY spent time under fire for politics.

Last time I answer this, woke. Take fucking notes:

As I said in post 298, no one gets a pass from me. I denigrate whomever I wish. I don't care if they are a vet or not.

Got it, idiot?

I finally put two and two together. You don't think people should denigrate war vets. You keep telling us over and over you are a war vet. IOW, you want a pass for all the idiotic BS you post. You think you can do it by hiding behind your war vet status. Sorry, if you make yourself a target (and you are the king of that!) you will get shot at.

Just wtf is your major problem with war vets speaking their minds politically, even if it doesn't coincide with your own beliefs?

Nothing. WTF is wrong with you that you think I don't have the same right or that you think I have to agree with them simply because they are vets?

Who else should more have the right to do so?

Nobody in this country has more of a right to speak their mind than anyone else, regardless of their military service or lack thereof. If there is some modification to the first amendment that gives war vets more first amendment privileges than the rest of the country, please point it out to me. I am unaware of it.

As I said, the right LOVED Murtha AND his earmarks to the pentagon/military until he chose to speak up against the lies that took us to iraqnam AND the pathetic incompetence of the bush regime once our troops were in harm's way there.

So someone liked someone else when he was good to them and didn't like him so much when he was bad to him.

Wow what a surprise. Goes against everything I ever knew about human behaviour. *snark off*

"Murtha was not charged."

And OJ and Robert Blake are "not guilty."

Alright, I think we are probably about 90% in agreement that Murtha was a piece of shit for what he said about the Marines.

Let's move on to Woke, I happen to be of the belief that he himself is also a douche-bag.

Anyone else?

Murtha spoke TRUTH about the Haditha incident....

The right wingnuts here on DR ONLY value veterans or other Americans based on politics, not their service or whether what they say is truth.

If you agree with their politics, then you are valued by them, regardless.

If you don't agree with them, they smearlie you.

It's well seen on this thread and any others dealing with the subject.

GOP=politics over country, honor and troops.

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Sure, continue your smearlies, it's what the GOP and righties will forever be known for:

mccain in the 2000 primary
cleland in the 2002 Ga senate election
kerry in the 2004 pres election
murtha for speaking out against the incompetence shown by the bush administration in sending our troops into harm's way..
woke for correcting the misinformation and lies of wingnuts on DR

Anyone else?

#318 | Posted by brentrice1

I'm all in.

GOP=politics over country,

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

1

#318 I'm in, too

If you agree with their politics, then you are valued by them, regardless.

If you don't agree with them, they smearlie you.

Wow. The democrats never behave like that. LOL

You're such a joke, woke.

Actually I'm a bit surprised by this thread...nobody has blamed this on Bush yet...woke? You there?

Woke will be right back. He had to check the Pork Roast he's making in memory of Big John.

I'll say it for them:

"Murtha inherited this surgical error from the previous administration." - The Left.

I'll bet Murtha would give an arm and two legs to be in Max Cleland's position right now.

That'll get 'em fired up Chairborne

Sad situation for Murtha and his family---being in the healthcare industry; I've often warned people that there is nothing routine about surgery and going under general anesthesia---always amazes me when people go for cosmetic surgery on a repetitive basis---there is always a risk.

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Sure, as I said earlier in the thread, just show us some equal smearlies for right wing war veteran's service from the left as the right has done.

mccain in 2000 Smearing him as the manchurian candidate and insinuating his adopted child of color was his own illegitimate one in SC.

cleland in 2002Photoshopping his pic with OBL superimposed.

kerry in 2004Claiming he awarded his own medals, that they weren't garnered under fire, and wasn't wounded enough to earn 3 purple hearts

murtha right here on this thread....claiming he lied about haditha though the NCIS investigation coroborated what he said...

Can't do it, can ya?

Suprise, suprise, suprise!

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You might find these posts interesting, (26, 147, 160, 179) where other rightwingnuts were claiming Murtha went to the VA for his surgery and got what he deserved.......spewing BS about govt run insurance...ie..political posturing over this dead man.....

And then, when corrected, (171, 173) did a little tap dance around the facts (175, 182,183)......

Duplistic and partisan

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So true, especially for those older and/or with other health issues.

Gall bladder surgery used to be much more invasive and dangerous before the procedure was done by "scope".....

Thanks for the thoughtful and appropriate comment.

Hey Woke, just wanted to make sure you had the chance to read that one about us agreeing that you are a douche-bag.

I just thought it was refreshing to see people come together to agree on something.

330

So true, especially for those older and/or with other health issues.

Gall bladder surgery used to be much more invasive and dangerous before the procedure was done by "scope".....

Thanks for the thoughtful and appropriate comment.

#333 | Posted by woke

Used to challenge certain surgeons for some of the surgeries they were performing---it was risky enough when necessary surgery was done let alone unnecessary surgeries---needless to say I wasn't the most popular guy on the block with that small percentage that were taking advantage (IMO) of their authority and respect in the eyes of their patients.

That'll get 'em fired up Chairborne

Not "them". Just woke. He's the only one stupid enough to react so wildly when someone pushes his buttons. And it is so easy to push that idiot's buttons

Sure, as I said earlier in the thread, just show us some equal smearlies for right wing war veteran's service from the left as the right has done.

If you haven't seen them, I can't present them in a way that gets past the filters your masters have programmed into your brain cell. Besides, I don't want to listen to you ask me that question over and over and me answer it over and over.

See if you can get your sheepleherd to remove the filters for a day or two, look around, and you'll see what you ask for.

Poor woke would stroke out if he goes back in to the archives to see what was written about McCain.

Hey woke, do us a favor and go back and look to see what was written about McCain during the election run-up. Please use some foresight and have your next of kin log in and let us know when you've stroked out, you retarded amputee lovin' douchebag.

Does anyone know what a smearlie is? Is it something woke loves dearly, gets them yearly, and sees clearly? At first, I thought he misspelled "smear", but he wrote it more than once, so I guess he really intended to write what he did.

What is it, woke?

Once again the war vet denigrators cannot pony up on their claims.....

Funny you would dare bring up McCain. He lost the 2000 primary after leading because rove/bush smeared him in SC, insinuating he was the "manchurian candidate" because of his pow experience and saying his adopted mixed race child was his own illegitimate one....a hot button topic for the repugs in SC.....

Again,

Show us ANYTIME ANY DEM campaign smearlied a war vet candidate as was done to

1. mccain in SC in the 2000 primary
2. cleland in Ga in the 2002 senate race
3. kerry in the 2004 potus election

ONLY right wing scum like bush, rove, hallichainy do things like that....smearlie about war vets service records and only right wing syncophants as yourselves denigrate war veteran's because of their politics.....just like your chickenhawk heroes,.

Or show any equal posts to the ones you two have made about triple amputee war vet Cleland...by a lefty here on DR.......

Just like the other times you've spewed this kind of BS, you cannot follow thru and repost anything....so you just keep selling your wolf tickets.....

If you could, you would, eh?

Re #117

I use Judicial Watch's "Ten Most Wanted Crooked Politicians" list myself.

It is not partisan, even though the 2009 list is virtually all Democrat.
This is not bias, it is the Democrat power that allows these Dem crooks to rise to the top.
For 2009 from worst to 10th worst:
1) Sen Chris Dodd, D Conn
2) Sen John Ensign, R Nev (see choose R's too)
3) Rep Barney Frank, D Mass
4) Sec Treasury Tim Geithner, Obama Cabinet
5) Atty Gen Eric Holder, Obama Cabinet
6) Rep Jesse Jackson Jr, D IL
7) President Barack Obama
8) Rep & SOTH Nancy Pelosi, D CA
9) Rep JOHN MURTHA, D PA
10) Rep Charles Rangel, D NY

Looking at that list you lefties would say they are biased and partisan. But look at previous years. For 2008 the list is:
1) Sen Hillary Clinton, D NY
2) Sen Chris Dodd, D Conn
3) Valerie Jarrett, IL Obama Adviser
4) Rep Jerry Lewis, R CA
5) President-Elect Obama
6) SOTH Nancy Pelosi, D CA
7) Rep Charles Rangel, D NY
8) Former Rep Rick Renzi. R AZ
9) Former Sen Ted Stevens, R AK
10) Rep John Young, R AK

So instead of 9 D's and 1 R it was 6 D's and 4 R's.
In 2007 the split was also 6 D's and 4 R's.

Since 1994, Judicial Watch has filed almost 200 lawsuits against the government no matter whether the R's or the D's were in power because they care about the voters, not politicians.
If a politician is on their top 10 it is because that politician is crooked by either accepting bribes or by trying to take our rights from us. They were equally aggressive against Bush as they are against Obama because both have tried to take our Constitutional Rights away from us.

Murtha being on their top ten list means that I have no sympathy over his death. He judged the Marines as guilty before they even had a trial and never apologized when they were found innocent of all charges.
Yet the lefties on here have repeatedly pointed out that nobody apologized when Murtha was found not guilty of the ABSCAM charges.
So why should those who point out his charges for ABSCAM when he was found not guilty have to apologize when he himself never apologized for pre-convicting those Marines who were later found not guilty of all charges at Haditha?

CREW's most corrupt politicians list 17 members of Congress and 12 of those 17 are Republicans. They also list list three Senators, two of which are Republicans and also have four Dishonorable mentions for the House, three of whom are Repubs.
They list MURTHA 12th of the 17 crooks in the House.
They present 15 pages of violations from earmarking to accepting bribes. Just ONE of the companies he has gotten earmarks for has received almost ONE QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS of government contracts because of Murtha.
While every person in Congress is elected to bring home the bacon to their districts, that single act is more than some representatives bring home to their entire district in their whole career in congress. It is as much as Former Senator Ted Stevens was hoping to bring to the entire state of Alaska with his Bridge to Nowhere.

So you all can weep at the loss of this criminal, I will be celebrating his demise. I will feel the same if it were to happen to Ensign in Nevada because I don't care what party they are from, crooks have to be eliminated from Congress if our nation is to survive.

Show us ANYTIME ANY DEM campaign smearlied a war vet candidate as was done to

I see you are moving the goal posts again. Who cares if it was a war vet or not? The war vet candidates aren't any better than any other.

Get over your war vet thing. You give them a bad name, btw. And if you want someone to show you a smealied, you'll have to tell us what it is. It's not in the ditcionary.

THESHYGUY-

The nice thing is that the first list is one shorter now.

"...you retarded amputee lovin' douchebag."

Holy crap that's funny.

Holy crap that's funny.

#344 | Posted by brentrice1 at 2010-02-10 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks Dennis Miller is funny

Nullifidian...indeed I do, but he will never be as funny as those that continue to stand behind a Party.

Sure, as I said earlier in the thread, just show us some equal smearlies for right wing war veteran's service from the left as the right has done.
Can't do it, can ya?
#331 | Posted by woke at 2010-02-10 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag

These gems took about 10 minutes to find:

"Almost as funny as Mcsame's joke about tire pressure in Sturgis. Went down like a lead balloon. Then again, that pretty much describes Mcsame's flying career." Posted by northguy3 at 2008-08-05 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag

"McCain is a little privledged kid who was a complete fuckup his entire life. Crashed five planes and was such a bad pilot he got shot down. Being a POW due to incompetence is not something to be proud of." Posted by furio at 2008-08-19 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag

"More than 132 men were burned to death on the USS Forrestal. McCain's only regret is that the victims weren't all black." Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2008-08-19 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"mccain is stupid for only one reason cause he's got a low iq." Posted by klifferd at 2008-08-20 12:00 AM | Reply | Flag

"Being a shitty pilot should not qualify a reckless asshole to be president." Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-08-21 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

And for the grand finale:

"McCain killed 168 of his fellow USS Forrestal shipmates as a result of wet-starting his jet. When he was shot down...awww, fuck it, the whole story he tells is bullshit. Did you ever notice how healthy the pics are of him when he got home? Look at pics of the other prisoners. He is the all-time biggest fraud, phony and traitor that ever shit between a pair of boots. If that old cocksucker ever walked in front of my car, I would run him over, stop, back over his body and then run him over again...rinse and repeat!"Posted by gmsand at 2008-11-13 08:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

But the left never - NEVER! - denegrates war veterans or the service they've given the country.

Goatman, don't give him that link! Now we're going to have to explain to him what all of the suggestions mean.

Should we start with sommelier?

Tell you what Woke, if you can pronounce it correctly, we'll tell you what it means.

Should we start with sommelier?
Tell you what Woke, if you can pronounce it correctly, we'll tell you what it means.
#349 | Posted by brentrice1 at 2010-02-10 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sommelier - pronounced Lil-A-WOL.

Right guys?

~Woke

#348 -- your post underscores what I said -- woke's sensory inputs are highly filtered by his masters. They didn't want him to see the posts you put up, so they didn't get past his filters. That's why he thinks this stuff doesn't happen on the left side of the political spectrum. I wish he would beg his masters to allow him just one day with out the filters. Woke would be shocked at what reality is like.

It must really suck to be so mind-controlled as woke is.

Why are liberals so upset?

This was basically a late term abortion only using a different method.

It's progress, you'd think they'd be celebrating.

Show us ANYTIME ANY DEM campaign smearlied a war vet candidate

Isn't Wesley Clark a democrat? didn't he run for president?

Somehow I get the feeling your behavior would be the exact opposite of what it is here today.

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2010-02-08 04:46 PM

McCain doesn't take ear marks aka pork. Besides, McCain is no conservative and McCain didn't convict soldiers without a trial.

Huge difference in the character of McCain and Murtha. HUGE.

I'm just suggesting that you are wrong, that there will be many more people at his funeral than at that of a vapid leaping unknown like yourself, Bev.

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-08 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes indeed. All those that took of his ill gotten goods.

You're a smart one! lol

Show us ANYTIME ANY DEM campaign smearlied a war vet candidate

I'm presuming you meant "smeared" but are too ignorant to know how to spell it. So here you go. Take your pick
of any of these stories of Clinton smearing Bush during the 1992 campaign

353

I have reviewed your link and fail to see any denigration or smears/lies about mccain.

Please detail the exact quotations and show they are false.

Thanks.

356

Same with you vet denigrator: Your link leads to a google search.

Where did Clinton denigrate Bush 41's war service record in any way?

Details please: quotations with link.

Next: Show us ANY DR posters that denigrate repug war veterans' service records......

And before you CLAIM again that I am moving the goalposts, try to realize that I have always said the same thing....that righties denigrate war service records of their opposition for political gain.....

mac in 2000
cleland in 2002
kerry in 2004

For the record (again)

I decry ANY denigration of any war veteran's record for political gain, whether done by a dem, indy or repug.

Unlike some who do so on a regular basis.....and are so very proud of it.

I decry ANY denigration of any war veteran's record for political gain, whether done by a dem, indy or repug.

Having seen you denigrate Bush 41, I guess you give yourself a pass.

Again, get over the war vet bullshit. They are as open to criticism as anyone else.

I have reviewed your link and fail to see any denigration or smears/lies about mccain.

See if you can talk your masters into removing your blinders and look again. If they won't honor your request, there is nothing I can do for you.

Show us ANYTIME ANY DEM campaign smearlied (sic) a war vet candidate

and I provided several stories, but then you said:

Where did Clinton denigrate Bush 41's war service record in any way?

adding "war service record" (which was not included in your first request, of course)

And you laughingly claim you don't move the goal posts. Get a grip, lilaWoke.

For thos poor challenged and disengenuous individuals who CLAIM they cannot decifer and understand what is being posted, apparently, news organization do indeed understand the ideas being presented:

I use "smearlie" because of the POS bush group smear liars for "truth" who smearlied Kerry's war service. If you want to pretend ANY of the lies they told was truth, you are some sad sacks of s--t, imo, since their lies/smears are well documented.

ABCNote on GOP's smear/lie justification: Politics

And, btw, here is a google page for the phrase "smear/lie", so take your disengenous BS and shove it along with your smearlies....

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You are simply a LIAR. I have never denigrated any war veteran's service record.

That's your thing, eh?

Whatever, lilaWoke. You are the biggest loser this blog has ever seen with your moving goalposts, your lying, your hypocrisy.

Later, joke. Knock yourself out. You sicken me.

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Lil bullygoatguff spewing more bs daily......

From the very beginnning, I have called you on your continual smearing of war vet's service records.......and you attempt to nitpick each time and pretend otherwise.....

I sincerely hope your BS doesn't come back on you in your life, but i suspect that is EXACTLY why you are such a sad, sad sack and disengenuous, war vet denigrator.....

Yet, you apparently haven't been able to understand that the crapola you spew and do is just coming back on you.....

Figure it out sonny

You sicken me.
#367 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-11 12:53 PM

The feeling isn't mutual. Your remarks denigrating triple war amputee war veterans sicken me. YOU just make me laugh that someone can be so duped and ignorant.

Woke pulls Max around by his dick if that didn't get blown off. It probably did though -- by woke
#140 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 11:11 AM

Tell you what Goatman, If I can produce a post where you denigrated a war veteran will you stop posting on DR?
Of course not. I admit I do it.
#84 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-12-17 12:02 AM

Funny how Max can make a mini skirt look like a full length one, too. #132 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-04 05:13 PM

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When visiting my sister in Florida last year, I was in my somewhat artsy teenage niece's room.
#38 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-04 11:42 PM

CREEPY UNCLE
#114 | POSTED BY MONTECORE AT 2010-02-05 05:10 PM

CREEPY UNCLE
More than even you could ever imagine.
#115 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-05 05:14 PM

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I have ever only owned American cars. Of those all have been Chevys except for the Jeeps. _#56 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-04 04
Yes, and Chrysler is owned by Daimler-Chrysler._They werenn't when my jeeps were made. As I said, I've never owned anything but American cars._#87 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-04 03:15 PM
Tell me, see-all-know-all woke: Is my Jeep an American car or not? LOL#103 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-04 03:48 PM
_'91, 6 cylinder. It is the third Wrangler I've owned. _#141 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-04 06:22 PM

Your 91 Wrangler was MADE in CANADA not America buddy!
LMFAO
#149 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2010-02-05 09:23 AM

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I wonder. How many veterans post on DR who have actually been in any kind of war zone or combat? =woke

A lot of them. (including me) Your point?
#278 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-10 09:05 AM

I said I wasn't ever shot at or in Vietnam

But we got tax free pay which you only get when in combat situation.

#282 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2010-02-10 09:58 AM

Seek help.

Start by looking for a qualified mental health specialist.

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |