SULLY: He also promised to stop torturing suspects, which I am assuming he did. And he generally promised to look over everything and make changes where needed any of number of times during his campaign. Many of his promises of "change" were vague. It it would be dishonest to contend now that he didn't campaign on change.
ME: Agreed, and I wouldn't make that argument. He did campaign on change, and many of us on the left are very upset that he has not so far lived up to that. But note the "so far." Many of us on the left are also willing to wait and see. Reality: Change takes time. Will he live up to it in the way I hoped (so to speak)? Probably not. Will that make me decide he's a liar and an asshole? No. Most likely not. Unless he does an about-face. Those who didn't see him as the centrist he is weren't paying attention. (Go ahead, righties: Jump on me and rant about socialism, neomarxism, and communism.)
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ME: He (or his people) defends (perhaps) certain criticisms from the right by pointing out that he is using Bush policies, so why are said critics, who were in favor of those policies, being so critical?
SULLY: They are morons. I'm not defending them. I just thought it was funny that Mr.Change is now defending himself by saying he's doing what Bush, a known moron, did. So I said so and then some unthinking partisan jackass tried to deny that this happened for reasons I would only be able to fathom if I were an unthinking partisan zombie.
ME: I didn't see that argument they way you do. I didn't see anyone here try to deny that Obama campaigned on change. I saw someone make the same argument I did, but perhaps less clearly (given that mine seems to have been understood by you : ) ). Again, no one is saying, "See? He's just like Bush so it's okay." At least not that I've heard or read. I've seen the defense I described earlier. That's it. And I've seen lefties be upset (and I'm upset) that he is as much in the vein of the previous administration as he is in certain respects. But hey, nobody's prefect.