Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, February 08, 2010

Robbers dressed in burkhas burst into a Paris post office brandishing pistols and absconded with $6,200. Police fear that they will not be able to identify the robbers on CCTV cameras. "It was a perfect disguise," said one detective. "Their faces and bodies were completely covered." Other burkha banditry has occurred in Great Britain, with two major incidents last year.

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rcaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade!

Why is it that your Preview mode permits and displays special characters, but your Posting mode strips them out? In the above, I had tried to say that the bandits made off with 4000 GB pounds, equal to more than $6200 USD, or just over 4200 euros, using the pound and euro characters.

If you don't want us using funny furrin' characters, block 'em at the Preview stage, whydontcha?

I think the Sarkozy's did it. He's trying to drum up support for his position. Was one of the robbers really short? Through the eye slits was there any resemblance to Casey and Jean Kasim?

Follow that camel!

Look for the sales of burkhas in Detroit to skyrocket.

"I think the Sarkozy's did it. He's trying to drum up support for his position."

Could be.

That doesn't change the fact that it is illegal to walk around in public wearing a mask in plenty of places and for a reason.

First Burkhas and now Kirpans. Whats next? Honestly?

www.timesonline.co.uk

Aside from what people might think, i am all for a Burka ban. That is the face mask part.

not head scaves... (is the yamaka illegal?)

burka is completely not islam.

This is too funny! You can't make this stuff up!

"burka is completely not islam."

but while not required, it is not unlawful, so women can choose to wear it if they want.

by not giving women the choice they are exposing their hypocrisy. the burka doesn't hurt any except those who are too weak to accept it as a part of living in a free society.

europe has already proven what it can do if given an inch regarding corraling minorities.

Simple answer-Try for a body shot instead of a head shot. Would it be profiling if people wearing burkas were excluded from entering a bank?

"by not giving women the choice they are exposing their hypocrisy. the burka doesn't hurt any except those who are too weak to accept it as a part of living in a free society."

Well first of all, as this robbery proves, the burka can be used to infringe on the rights of others. There are many societies that make it illegal to walk around in a mask.

Secondly, your statement is ignorant to the fact that for many woman, the burka is not a choice but something that is imposed on them by male relatives who will literally kill a female relative rather than lose "honor". The burka didn't magically appear out of a vacuum. It comes with a history and that history is not kind to the women who wear them.

if someone walked into a bank wearing nixon masks you bet they would be stopped.

the face veil is the same thing.

it should have no place in public.

wear it at home if you want to be subjugated.

Even for the women who wear such things "by choice" are victims. They've been force fed dogma from cultures that sees more value in women as chattel than as whole, contributing human beings.

"Would it be profiling if people wearing burkas were excluded from entering a bank?"

No, because usual bank rules prohibit any covering of the face to begin with. you can't bring a gun into a bank, even though guns are legal. same thing. as long as a bank has a functioning walk up ATM where burka clad women could take out and deposit funds, I have no problem with a ban of full face covering in banks.

One of the posters above suggests that burkas infringe on the rights of others. Well, the same could be said for guns, and guns have caused much more desturction than a burka, but I am not going to stand in line calling for a ban on guns just as I am not going to stand in line calling for a ban on burkas. There are plenty of responsible women who walk around in burkas. they do not need to be oppressed any further.

Burka wearing is a clutural phenomenon, but the subjugation by men of women is not due to wearing it, just like the rape of women by men wielding a gun is not due to the gun. The subjugation of women in the muslim world is due to the lack of education of muslim women of their religion. The burka is not required-- only a hijab is. So, if I was interestesd in bettering women's position in the muslim world (as I'm sure all of you are), I would push more for education rights for women rather than trying to ban some sort of garment.

Then, once they know their religion they will be in a much better position to wear it by choice or not.

Also, I do recognize that some people want to ban the burka just because they hate muslims, so if perhaps there are any of those types here, the above does not apply to you.

"Even for the women who wear such things "by choice" are victims"

then let them be educated in their religion and make the choice freely, rather than banning.

"Can you describe the perpetrators to me?"

"Well, they had crooked teeth, hairy hands and smelled like a camels ass..."

"And what about the male perpetrators?"

The next law will be to ban face burkhas ...

I don't see how a burkha is any different, from a secular, Western, security-conscious standpoint, than a hoodie, which is prohibited in many places.

I know Muslims claim it as a religious symbol they're entitled to, but I'm talking strictly security stuff. And on that basis, it's pretty problematic.

I'm all for Muslim women getting all the education their heads will hold. Damndest thing, though, is the Muslim men who keep destroying the girl's schools.

I really don't know why they bother. From what I've read the schools aren't teaching anything comparable to what kids get in more civilized countries. The girls seem to just get the bare basics. It's pathetic.

The Muslim women I know here in the US that came from places like Pakistan are all bright and vibrant. My vet is of Pakistani descent, and in my eyes she's worth her weight in gold. It's a shame the men in those places are so insecure and immoral that they can only maintain what they see as their power by keeping others down.

It's a shame the men in those places are so insecure and immoral that they can only maintain what they see as their power by keeping others down.

Speak for yourself chootiyay.

I have been held down by women, I like it.

chootiya = "butt-burgling asshole prick-face"

If any of you have any difficulty with Urdu or Hindi words, please ask me. My office is always open for assistance. LOL

The burka is not required-- only a hijab is.

That too is a myth.

Hijab not required.

chootiya = "butt-burgling asshole prick-face"

Urdu is a very terse language. LOL

Hijab not required.

There was a chick who worked for Schlumberger running around the rig last month with one of those things. I should've told her it wasn't required. She got a lot of stares

There was a chick who worked for Schlumberger running around the rig last month with one of those things. I should've told her it wasn't required. She got a lot of stares

One of my nieces dressed normal since always. Nothing on her head.

She moved with her family to America and I saw her pic after many years and I was shocked. She was dressed in a hijab.

In Pakistan, never wore it. In USA, she always wears it.

What is that? Insecurity?

Anyway... if you would've told her, you would've got a fight on your hands. Such women, from what I've heard, are wearing it for the same reason that punks wear skike-purple hair and body-piercings... to piss people off? To make them stare? Who knows?

From my reading of the Koran, all I understand is, it asks women (and men too) not to do something that makes you stick out like a sore thumb and not to walk or dress in a manner that will make others stare at you.

If her hijab is making people stare at her, then she is doing the OPPOSITE of what the Koran told her to do. LOL

This hijab business was started by the Iranian "revolution" and is more a political statement than a religious one. But some stupid women just don't realize it.

I agree with France banning the burka and the hijab... nothing wrong with banning it.... as long as they ban the Nun's habit as well.

Urdu is a very terse language. LOL

Indeed.

It was only created because the Mughal Emperor's army, which came from all over (Turks, Arabs, Persians, etc), couldn't understand orders given to them in classical-Persian.

So they created a "pijin" language that was a mix of every other language.

So that everyone understood, the grammar and vocabulary was kept as simple as possible... it was for military use after all. (it was a great success)

Hence the terseness.

And it still doesn't have the word for "please".

Yes, I think some people want to prove how holy they are. There are some people who bow their heads and say a silent prayer before they eat. No biggy, of course. But there are a couple of them whom you can tell make sure someone is watching and cross themselves or some other gesture that I'm sure god doesn't give a fuck about. Hell, I can't figure out why he would want someone thanking him for the food 'he' provided. It is Taylor catering who provided it! LOL What are these people trying to prove?

Are verbs conjugated in urdu? Probably not if it came about as you describe. Are there more complex tenses like perfect tenses, conditional, progressive, etc., or just simple past and present? How about noun cases like Latin?

I love linguistics. I've always been fascinated by languages. I wish I spoke more of them

There was a chick who worked for Schlumberger running around the rig last month with one of those things.

Was it made out of Nomex?

I'm sensing an opportunity here....

more a political statement than a religious one

Yeah, but for the purposes of this article what we can look at is the very funny way that Burkha's are being used for criminal activity.

witness:

thumb.vidpk.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

www.haqeeqat.org

There are some people who bow their heads and say a silent prayer before they eat.

And some of them make a face like they swallowed a turd, when they do it.

It's called a "holy face".... like you got hurt in your tuccas.

It's all for show.

Yeah, but for the purposes of this article what we can look at is the very funny way that Burkha's are being used for criminal activity.

LOL.... YS, I had forgotten about that one.

The head guy of the infamous "Red Mosque" was arrested trying to escape the police dressed in a burka.

They got him because he was too tall and walked like a transvestite. LOL

The Nomex Hijab:

Because your rebellious, educated whore shall burn in hell---not at the facility.

34 ff

Anyway moving on to less depressing stuff - I'm surprised you referenced Cafe Pyaala back for the Afridi thing. You keep an eye on the other blogistani's? Like Five Rupees, Karachi Khatmal and Grand Trunk Road?

I saw OQ on the dawn thing at pyaala. Plus I commented on it and defended dawn against these freakishly vicious attacks.

Can you guess which one I was?

Hint: I picked up a habit from you.

Are verbs conjugated in urdu? Probably not if it came about as you describe. Are there more complex tenses like perfect tenses, conditional, progressive, etc., or just simple past and present? How about noun cases like Latin?

I have no idea of what you just asked me.

All I know is, Urdu is mostly a simplified version of Sanskrit with Turkish, Persian and Arabic thrown in here and there. And now it's one-quarter english.

Zombiehunter saw an Urdu clip on YouTube and he could understand all of it (he thought it was in english).

Whatever grammar rules Sanskrit had, Urdu has. As you know, Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo-European languages, including English and Latin.

You keep an eye on the other blogistani's?

Often/sometimes.

Hint: I picked up a habit from you.

Good Lord! I have a habit one can pick up on? I have a "tell"?

What exactly have I been telegraphing?

Can you guess which one I was?

Not sure...

You aren't the guy who said he's got a fake Jamaican accent, are you? LOL

Hell, I can't figure out why he would want someone thanking him for the food 'he' provided. It is Taylor catering who provided it!

While it is true it is your catering/kitchen that provided the grub, it is also true that ultimately, we wouldn't have the grass and beef and whatnot if the Earth's climate didn't cooperate.

Anyway, here is an Islamic story on to illustrate:

Once upon a time King Solomon (who could talk to all animals and Genies?Jinns) decided to have a dinner party for all the animals, people and Jinns in his kingdom.

He arranged to have all kinds of food to be brought in one place using his unmatched resources and powers.

As all the rabbits and squirrels and lions and canines and birds and reptiles and cattle and elephants and horses and whatnot were sitting down to eat, a giant sea-monster came out of the nearby ocean and ate ALL THAT FOOD in ONE GULP.

It then turned to King Solomon and said "more?"

King Solomon said, "It took me the better part of a year to get all that food here for the party and you ate in all in one gulp and you ask for more? I haven't got any more!"

Allah later told King Solomon "You did you best to feed everyone and it just wasn't good enough was it? That creature which asked for more.... I give it enough in ocean to feed itself every day. So who provides for everyone? You or Me?" LOL

God's providing is called "food chain" in modern language.

Those who read the Qur'an and are deficient in knowledge about khimār or hijab have no standing to call such things "myths", Tosser. Even a muslim who supports the metaphysical understanding of the hijab as a symbolic "wall" should never call its existence a "myth".

Certainly there are portions of the Qur'an that relate to a person's modesty and use these words. Stop spreading disinformation.

Even a muslim who supports the metaphysical understanding of the hijab as a symbolic "wall" should never call its existence a "myth".

Are you a Muslim? Of course not.

So I ought to know better, yes?

The "myth" I was talking about is the Iranian style "hijab" and stupid "burka". It is mentioned nowhere in the Koran.

Find it if you can.

Stop spreading disinformation.

Prove me wrong then.

And use the Koran to do it.

Now this christian-fundo is feverishly going through some online Koran search engine trying to find the word "hijab".....LOL.... waste all the time you like, Boy.

There was a girl in a girls-school in Islamabad about 20 years ago who bugged her teachers and then the Principal for permission to wear a "hijab". She was probably going through a some teenage angst period in her life and wanted to act-out.

The Principal finally told her to "go jump in the lake" (Rawal Lake... quite deep). LOL

Point is, since many places in Pakistan itself don't encourage this type of dress, I don't find anything wrong if the French ban this style of dress totally.

It's their country and most French Muslim women don't wear it anyway so it'll hardly be a tragedy.

The "myth" I was talking about is the Iranian style "hijab" and stupid "burka". It is mentioned nowhere in the Koran."

You're right. The words "Iranian" and "Burka" are not in the Qur'an, but you didn't say that. You said that the "hijab" was a myth. You weren't talking about the Iranian "chador" or you would have used that word.

The burka is cultural, as I mentioned above. It existed before Islam.

The hijab has many connotations- the one most commonly held by islamic scholars is that it means a physical covering of the body, but there are those who take the metaphysical application. That is fine, and I will not argue that contentious point brought up between sufi and salafs. however there is more to the argument.

It says in the Qur'an "By clear proofs and scriptures, and We have sent down on you (O Prophet) the reminder, that you can explain to humankind what is sent down for them and in order that they may reflect." (an-Nahl, ayah 44).

The Qur'an itself says that muslims must not reject examples that the prophet and his companions provided to show the meaning of the words that have unclear explanation in the Qur'an. You are trying to do away with the sunnah by asking me to use Qur'an only, so in essence you are disregarding the above words of the Qur'an.

So, that being said, one must try to separate the cultural actions of the time from those that were expected out of religious duty. Certainly alot of people at that time rode camels, but that is not something prescribed in the Qur'an, and something not expected all modern day muslims to do, even if the prophet and his companions did. The "niqab" comes across more as a cultural trait of Arabia of the day-- hence the reason why many non-saudi scholars reject niqab as compulsory.

However, it explicitly states in the Qur'an that women must cover their heads and bosoms. "Khimar" is used as arabic for "Head covering" for both male and female. There are plenty of proofs for this for the male-- as in descriptions when the prophet wipes his wet hands over his covered head-- the word "khimar" is used.

Thus in Surah an-Nur ayah 31:

"Extend the khimar to cover the bosom (24:31)"

This "covering is commonly known as "hijab". Now, you can argue that hijab shouldn't be used as another word for "khimar" and I would accept that argument, but muslim women who cover are following the majority of Islamic schools of thought.

Calling for an outright ban on hijab and then calling the covering of a woman in Islam a "myth" is not a wise remark by any stretch, coming from either a muslim or non.

I say, educate wome n to the meaning and let them decide, rathe rthan ban. Why some people can't put down their muslim hatred and accept that is understood-- relying on 3rd party sources for information on events and ideas is a powerful force to overcome.

"Extend the khimar to cover the bosom (24:31)"

Let me clear the confusion for you.

In those days, women did not wear a bra so their boobies were all over the place when they walked around wearing a long shirt (like Arabs today wear).

So the Koran emphasized women to cover "their bosoms".

In modern times, you don't go jiggling all over the place as modern undergarments have done much of the work of the "bosom hijab".

There is NO mention of "covering your head". Sorry.

Yes, many take the meaning as you do, but then many more do not. They take the meaning I do.

Every verse of the Koran can be interpreted in 70 different ways and it's all good.

The Qur'an itself says that muslims must not reject examples that the prophet and his companions provided to show the meaning of the words that have unclear explanation in the Qur'an.

Don't be silly.

The Prophet himself said, "If there is any doubt about what I said, assume I never said it".

There are 45,000 sayings of Mohamed, and Islamic scholars agree that at the most only 5,000 of them can be considered real. All the rest are pure bullshit.

then calling the covering of a woman in Islam a "myth"

I said the assumption that there is some order in the Koran for women to wear an Iranian style hijab is a myth.

There is no such thing in there.

There is only a verse that sez "dress modestly" and "cover your boobs".

I hope I have made myself clear.

I say, educate wome n to the meaning and let them decide, rathe rthan ban.

Believe it or not, many women are quite educated in this area.

They don't wear it.

That is fine, and I will not argue that contentious point brought up between sufi and salafs. however there is more to the argument.

Since I take the metaphysical meaning to be true, you can see I am obviously a Hanfi, not a bloody Wahabi.

Most people in the countries that end in "stan" are "Hanfi".

And that is what I follow.

Wikipedia (which you are obviously using) and the Wahabis and the Iranians, can take their beliefs and their hijabs and shove them up their bums. I don't care. LOL

Btw, as to why Arab women covered their heads... It was the climate. Men cover their heads too.

It has nothing to do with religion. If you don't put a hat or a cloth on your head you'll get sun-stroke, guaranteed.

The modern type of Hijab... which I call Iranian-style... was actually introduced into Arab culture 300 years after the death of Mohamed by the Greek Orthodox Christians, who traded with the Arabs. Their women wore that type of clothing in Europe and that got imitated.

It was then forgotten until that Ayatollah Ass... I mean, Khomaini... revived it as a symbol of his pain-in-the-tuccas "Islamic Revolution".

Do realize that most of the bad ideas in history, came from Persia/Iran. This was just another one of those.

"as to why Arab women covered their heads... It was the climate. Men cover their heads too."

The one major difference being the women don't beat the men if the headdress isn't to their liking.

Tosser, you ask for examples in the Qur'an and I give them to you, yet you explain your superior knowledge of the subject with words like "boobies"?

I think you're the one being silly. You're playing to a western crowd most of the time and sometimes you can't stop when it is not needed. here it is not needed, lest you use your religion solely as a prop to argue against western arrogances.

And this whole thing about, "There are 45,000 sayings of Mohamed, and Islamic scholars agree that at the most only 5,000 of them can be considered real. All the rest are pure bullshit."

And is ""If there is any doubt about what I said, assume I never said it"."one of those?

How can you use that as an explanation against the wearing of Khimar, which is explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an?

If the sunnah come from reliable sources that are backed up by a reliable chain of narration then you should accept them. You have no reason to accept the definitions of said words by the majority of arabic-fluent scholars.

And the majority of scholars accept the definition implied in surah an-Nur a. 31 that a woman should cover everything except her hands and face.

If a woman wants to wear niqab or chador or burka I'm fine with it-- its her choice, and if it isn't I'm all for mamking it her choice by talking things over with her male controller. if a muslim tries to tell me it is obligatory I'll argue with them, just as one's who come and say its a myth.
both sides in my mind are radicals. i tend to take the middle road.

i don't use wikipedia, tosser. I don't have to.

The one major difference being the women don't beat the men if the headdress isn't to their liking.

Oh, I've seen a lady hit her husband on the head with a giant ladle. We had to take the guy to hospital.

I give them to you, yet you explain your superior knowledge of the subject with words like "boobies"?

I was dumbing it down for my American fans.

And is ""If there is any doubt about what I said, assume I never said it"."one of those?

No.

Because it has more than 3 independent verifications.

When a saying comes from 3 or more independent sources, it is deemed true.

There are only 5,000 of those.

"you can see I am obviously a Hanfi"

tosser, if you call yourself hanafi then you whould know that abu Hanifa held that women may only display their faces and their hands (and feet, though other scholars dispute this part of his ruling). so why don't you agree with him if you publically proclaim to be a follower of his school?

How can you use that as an explanation against the wearing of Khimar, which is explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an?

Read my posts again... and again... and one more time for good luck.

Maybe then you'll get it. LOL

The Koran only mentions a cover for the chest. Not for the head.

And the majority of scholars accept the definition implied in surah an-Nur a. 31 that a woman should cover everything except her hands and face.

I don't think so.

Those rules were for Mohamed's wives only.

Look up your Wiki page again. LOL

if you call yourself hanafi then you whould know that abu Hanifa held that women may only display their faces and their hands (and feet, though other scholars dispute this part of his ruling). so why don't you agree with him if you publically proclaim to be a follower of his school?

Because Islam gives me the right to interpret the Koran as I see fit.

Consider me a modern Hanfi.

If I call myself Hanfi, I do it because I'm from Pakistan and because I see myself as not part of the Wahabi and Iranian loony-bins.

if a muslim tries to tell me it is obligatory I'll argue with them, just as one's who come and say its a myth.

That's actually a broad-minded view and something I can understand.

i tend to take the middle road.

Why are YOU taking a middle road.

I ask you again.

Are you a Muslim? If yes, please say so, so that I can talk to you in a more respectful manner.

"I was dumbing it down for my American fans

And to hide your ability to come up with hadith and sunnah and qur'an verses that support your claim.

Abu Dawud and sahih bukhari both mention the covering of the female. and your own self-proclaimed mathab scholar does. so your arguments are only for your "western fans" LOL, and not for me.

BTW, there are more than 5,000 authentic hadith. Check YOUR wikitonary page again. perhaps you dispel Abu Dawud's collections and aish'a's quoted insistence on the obligation of covering to abu bakr's daighter. So be it, but you can't get around bukhari no matter how you want to slice it.

Abu Dawud and sahih bukhari both mention the covering of the female.

These two also mention porno.

Is that genuine too? LOL

and not for me.

Why? Are you special?

Are you Arab? If yes, why be shy about it? Are you afraid these evil Americans will bite your head off? LOL

I made it clear from day one, that I am from Pak. I got nothing to hide.

I suggest you quit hiding too... or else I will just consider you one more American-idiot and beat you down.

BTW, there are more than 5,000 authentic hadith.

Oh, you are right.... I am sorry.

It's 5,001. hahahahahahahahaha

but you can't get around bukhari

Fuck Bukhari.

I can and do get around your "Bukhari". Many do.

Does that make you angry?

So be it.

The fact that Pakistani scholars (I said scholars... not mullahs) consider most sayings of Mohamed, fake, bothers you quite a bit....

Why is that?

aish'a's quoted insistence on the obligation of covering to abu bakr's daighter

Let me tell you about your "Bukhari"... a guy who made a collection of sayings hundreds of years after Mohamed's death, living thousand of miles away.

Now listen to this...

One day people came to ask Mohamed's wove Aisha, "what is the correct way to take a bath".

Well, she went behind a see-through curtain and took her clothes off and demonstrated by taking a bath!

See? Is this porno for real????

THIS is what your fucking "Bukhari" writes. LOL

Now fess up.

Who the hell are you?

Are you Arab? Are you a damn Fundo (you are smelling like one)?

Why does it bother you if some of us take a more modern approach to things Islamic?

You seem to take it personally. LOL

Out with it! Are you Muslim? There is nothing to be ashamed about.

If you are Muslim, I will apologize for disrespected you and just agree to disagree.

If you are not Muslim... well then fuck you too.

And to hide your ability to come up with hadith and sunnah and qur'an verses that support your claim.

If I start doing that... I know you would love it... I will have to look up all that religious shot online and offline and it will take hours and hours to try and put you down with my superior scholarly skill-set.

It will also give me a migraine. Too much religion does that to me.

So I have responded at the level you deserve to be responded to.

This is a blog post for fuck's sake. Not a debate in Al-Azhar University.

"And to hide your ability to come up with hadith and sunnah and qur'an verses that support your claim."

Expecting - Tosser is incapable of intellectual honesty. Any time you prove him wrong, he will retroactively claim that ""he really meant" something else. That's what the "dumbing it down for Americans" claim really meant: You proved him wrong so he made a ridiculous excuse.

You are wasting your time if you expect him to acknowledge that you've proven him wrong.

But if you're enjoying yourself, then keep it up because it is fun for the rest of us to watch him make an ass of himself.

Hey, look who dropped in to discuss the finer points of Islamic doctrine.... our very own Infidel! (he's proud of that name, btw)

What's up? You got to get escape from your cubicle finally? LOL

him to acknowledge that you've proven him wrong.

You are like a deaf and blind fellow trying to follow a foreign language movie.

You have no way to tell who proved who wrong.

I asked for Koranic references and this fellow tries to hit me with Bullshit-Bukhari, like I knew he would at some point. LOL

Bukhari is NOT a Koranic reference, my dear!

Anyway, I am done with this, unless you tell me if you are a Muslim.

Right now I am assuming you are an American with a wiki page.

This Expec guy is not being honest and is obviously an anti-Islamic provocateur.

This Expec guy is not being honest and is obviously an anti-Islamic provocateur.

Something is seriously wrong with him.

I asked him more than once if he's a Muslim. No reply.

Why hide it?

Most Muslim women in America only wear the Hijab when they go to the Masjid on Friday. In today's climate I would prefer that if I marry a Muslim woman she not wear except for Masjid. Too many assholes out there that would do something bad to a Muslim.

As far as I know, there are only 3 Muslims on DR... all 3 from Pak... OK one is born-American....

If we have others here, I don't know why the fuck are they hiding for?

Most Muslim women in America only wear the Hijab when they go to the Masjid on Friday. In today's climate I would prefer that if I marry a Muslim woman she not wear except for Masjid. Too many assholes out there that would do something bad to a Muslim.

Damn.

I agree with Jackass, 1000 percent.

Did the sun rise out of the West today or what? LOL

Seriously though, Jackass is right.

The only time I've seen my mom or aunts or any other women near to me cover up, is when they pray. They don't cover their heads otherwise. It is not required.

As for American-Islam, it is well.... American.

It even lets women lead prayers (become Imams) and men follow along.

Everything American comes with a twist and Islam is no exception. LOL

But it's all good.

American-Islam is a very new sort of experimental version of super-Hanfi Islam.

When they get enough people behind it, I would love for USA to shove American-Islam up the ass of the Arab/Iranians.

It was weird to me in Abu Dhabi to see all the BMO (black moving object) ladies but actually they were wearing nice clothes underneath the black, from what I've been told. There were plenty of non-Emirati ladies that dressed in normal clothes.

There were plenty of non-Emirati ladies that dressed in normal clothes.

See?

It's a cultural thingy.... not religious.

The modern brassier has taken care of the Koran requirement to "put a cloth over your boo... I mean... breasts". LOL

That head scarf thing, they have to tie it tightly under their chin. I don't see how they can even breathe - it's even worse that the stupid Western necktie for men. People! Breathe Free!!!

"our very own Infidel! (he's proud of that name, btw)"

I wouldn't say I'm proud. But no matter how you intend it, I'm not going to be insulted by you calling me a word that simply means I don't believe your fairy tales.

"You are like a deaf and blind fellow trying to follow a foreign language movie.

You have no way to tell who proved who wrong."

I can tell by the way you're posting excuses that you know you are wrong because I've seen it so many times on threads where I know for a fact that you were wrong.

they have to tie it tightly under their chin.

It's like you are trying to work around a tooth-ache because your dentist died.

but actually they were wearing nice clothes underneath the black, from what I've been told.

You been told right, mate!

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I wouldn't say I'm proud.

You said you were.

It will take me hours and hours to dig up you saying that.... but I'll do it for you if you say please.

I can tell by the way you're posting excuses

Man, you are stupid. LOL

There is a difference between debating and posting excuses.

I'm not your mom who made excuses to your daddy when you wuz born.

where I know for a fact that you were wrong.

And here we go again.....

"Tosser said Mushi would stick around! He was wrong!"

Any other time I was wrong?

No?

Yes I remember insulting you that one single time when you turned out to be right and I was wrong.

Yes, it is true that I haven't apologized to you for that.

And I won't. You deserved all those insults anyway. LOL

#79 - LOL!!! Let's hope some fundi mullah geek does not hack into your computer!

I have told fundi-mullahs I am Jewish. They don't come near me.

I hope Turkey can stay the way they have been, secular in public and religious in private, the way all countries ideally should be.

I hope Turkey can stay the way they have been, secular in public and religious in private, the way all countries ideally should be.

I am sure they will be.

Ataturk did a real job on them. I think he was a genius.

Nice thing about Turkey is that since before we broke India into Indian-Pakistan, we have always wanted to be like Turkey.

Notice the similar flags.

People try and push us closer to the Saudis ... they do give us cheap petrol.... but then people like me (people who run this country) push us back to be like Turkey.

The Saud family uses religion to reinforce their power.

Guy I know went to Turkey.... cab driver asked him "where are you from?" and he said Pakistan.

And he refused to take his money. Just like that. Free ride.

After China, the Turks are the friendliest people ever.

"You said you were."

I probably did just to drive home the point that its not an insult to me. Really nothing to be proud of as its not like I had to do anything to become an Infidel. I was just lucky enough to be born one. I guess if you were born into an annoying religion and you break away from it despite intense pressure from your family it might be something to be proud of.....

"Any other time I was wrong?"

It would be easier to count the times you've been right.

The Saud family uses religion to reinforce their power.

The Wahabi religion was created tailor-made to keep the Royal Family in power.

Abdul Wahab or whatever his name was, was the ass-worm of the King and he was paid by the Brits to help break up the Ottoman Empire.

Lawrence of Arabia was the other ass-worm.

an annoying religion

Islam is not annoying at all.

*I* am annoying. And I get better at it as time goes by.

It would be easier to count the times you've been right.

No no... do indulge me.

Any other times I've been wrong?

The Wahabi royal family is in power in part thanks to the british.

The Irani clerical regime is in power in part thanks to the united states.

Al Qaeda and similar groups are an equally extreme and equally oppressive reaction to those regimes.

(its a little more complicated due to the israel/palestine situation)

What is left in the middle is the majority of Muslims caught in the crossfire between two ugly sides.

"Islam is not annoying at all."

See, there's another example of you being wrong.

See, there's another example of you being wrong.

No, like I said, a man who is deaf and blind can not follow a movie.

So you will be annoyed with everything you can't understand.

The very definition of "infidel". LOL

What is left in the middle is the majority of Muslims caught in the crossfire between two ugly sides.

In 2012, the first of the Chinese all-electric cars will be sold in China, Pakistan and USA.

As the need for oil becomes less, you will automatically see this "hijab" nonsense become less and less.

Shitty Saudi culture and shittier Iranian culture will find their true place in the gutter of history.

UNLESS Iran gets a nuke.

Iran must never get a nuke.... but America is powerless to stop it with Messiah being in charge.

"So you will be annoyed with everything you can't understand."

There's not much to understand. Hundreds of years ago a guy claimed to have talked to an angel and set himself up as God's right hand man (and unlike Christ he used this scam to become rich and powerful). Once you realize that this is how the story starts, it becomes blatantly obvious that everything that follows it total bullshit.

People behave this way today as well. We put them in mental institutions if they believe what they are saying. We try to put them in jail if they're just trying to sucker people.

There's not much to understand.

There isn't much to understand about you either.

1. Angry-at-the-world Latino who works in a cubicle.

2. Ignorant about everything except NASCAR and beer.

3. Gets some pride in being a poster-child for the Infidel Alliance of America. LOL

Simple.

"Simple."

Yes, you are. Now go pray to your warlord and patch up the hole in your mud hut.

Yes, you are.

No, Man-Child... you are. As simple as an Amoeba.

Now go pray to your warlord and patch up the hole in your mud hut.

Oooo.... cubicle-latino is about to lose it.... LOL

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