Maybe they can get a job at Walmart.

People are gonna have to decide what they want.

You either want government socialism or you don't.

This is the moral hazard that was created when BushObama bailed out corporations who ran afoul of the effects of capitalism.

The economic pain is hitting every american very hard.

But bankers get bailed out.

CEO's get multi million dollar bonuses.

I wonder what Target CEO's bonus was.

1 man will receive that compensation and 8000 employees will receive no health care.

Big damn deal. Headline should read "Target employees just now waking up to the realities of working in Corporate America".

I don't agree with it, but everything in this article has already happened to many, many thousands of people working for large corporations.

File it under 'Should Have Seen That Coming'.

but...

but .....

Target was the nice one.

How can I buy low-priced Chinese crap at Target and still look down my nose at Wal-Mart?

the serious dilemma of the Left

Vern, representing the right demonstrates conservatives hate of hard working middle class america.

1 man gets a $140 Million dollar pension and 8000 Middle class americans lose their health care

why do righties hate the middle class?

I wonder what Target CEO's bonus was.

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-02-06 09:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder ..... dum, de dum, dum, dum .

Truthy has never heard of the "Googles"

I guess you missed where I posted the CEO's compensation package.

1 man gets a $140 Million dollar pension and 8000 Middle class americans lose their health care

why do righties hate the middle class?

correction lose their health insurance

0why do righties hate the middle class?

Let me get this straight: One man gets a compensatory package that was guaranteed to him in a contract and that means all righties hate the middle class.

Absolutely brilliant.

Been has shown over and over that he is a dumbass

Dank auto correct. Vern has shown ***

Been has shown over and over that he is a dumbass
#13 | Posted by klifferd

LMAO..........

Vern, representing the right demonstrates conservatives hate of hard working middle class america.

Jackass, representing the left demonstrates liberals are freeloaders:

Ray if not the govt who will give me the entitlements I crave?

Posted by jackass at 2010-02-06 09:26 AM

Let me get this straight: One man gets a compensatory package that was guaranteed to him in a contract and that means all righties hate the middle class.

Absolutely brilliant.

#12 | Posted by goatman

bears repeating

1 man gets $140 million and 8000 middle class employees lose their health insurance.

for years liberals have been attempting to explain to dimwits the dangers and destructive nature of the unbalance between the wealthiest and the middle class and the shift in wealth.

and here is an example of the fruits of that inequity.

Did the workers agree to his compensation? no it was given to him by a board of directors that a. receive similar compensation, b. set their own compensation and c. hope to one day be the CEO and receive his level of compensation.

Could Target have done as well as it did during the time that the CEO was amassing his huge compensation package without quality employees? I believe no.

Either you are for the owners of capital continuing to gather all the wealth into their own hands or you are for protecting the middle class.

1 man gets a $140 Million dollar pension and 8000 Middle class Americans lose their health care

why do righties hate the middle class?

They don't hate the middle class so much as they worship raw power and money more than anything else.

1 guy gets a ridiculous compensation package?

The right cheer because they imagine that one day that might be them and they don't wanna fuck it up.

Corporate shenanigans mean 8,000 more folk lose their healthcare?

Well those lazy, freeloading folks obviously don't deserve healthcare according to the right.

The "free hand of the market" has spoken.

Declining living standards and increased wealth disparity and poverty overall are all just a natural result of a "free" market in their minds.

All politics is morality.

By championing wealth inequality in instances like these, not wanting to fix healthcare, wanting to cut social programs so that more corporate welfare can be dispensed, wanting to make women prisoners of their own biology, cheering on suspension of habeus corpus, promoting the use of torture as an instrument of statecraft, supporting unjust wars, wanting to treat gays as second class citizens and on so many other issues they hold the moral low ground.

In Spud's rarely humble opinion.

Be Well.

Either you are for the owners of capital continuing to gather all the wealth into their own hands or you are for protecting the middle class.

What does this have to do with you ridiculously assigning a label to all righties because a CEO gets his contractually promised compensation?

I would have to say that someone with the ability to fuck 8,000 people at the same time is probably worth 140 million.

Is Target Republican or Democrat?

Some businesses, things and people just seem to naturally belong to one political party or the other. For instance: Target, Democratic; WalMart, Republican. Sears, Democratic, Macy's Republican; Margarine, Democratic, butter, Republican. High-priced prescriptions, Republican, generic, Democratic. The miniskirt, Democratic, the little black dress with pearls Republican; tattoos, Democratic, Botox, Republican; hot dogs, Democratic, knackwurst Republican; Kraft cheddar cheese, Democratic, havarti cheese, Republican.

Whole wheat bread that tastes like wood pulp, Democratic; Wonder Bread, Republican; mayonnaise, Republican, mustard, Democratic. Heavy perfume, Democratic, light scent, Republican.

I could go on like this all day, but I thought I'd give my readers a chance to weigh in. What's Republican or Democratic to you?

Target's CEO is a MASSIVE Republican

by John Aravosis (DC) on 10/20/2005 04:55:00 PM

Now we know why the target is red.

And, we seem to be getting a clearer picture as to why Target has sided with the far-right Christian wackos, in permitting their pharmacists to turn you away because they think you're a sinner.

Over the years, Target CEO Robert Ulrich has donated:

- $71,353 to Republicans
- $3,660 to Democrats
Hmmm... that's interesting.

Perhaps my favorite donation is the $5,000 he gave just two months ago to a PAC named "Every Republican is Crucial."

Among other donations:
$1,000 to anti-gay bigot Mel Martinez, now the GOP Senator from Florida.
$1,000 to kinky-sex-cage-my-wife-please GOP Senate hopeful from IL Jack Ryan.
$3,000 to Bush-Cheney '04
$1,000 to Bush for President 2000
$1,000 to Elizabeth Dole for President 2000
$603 to the Republican National Committee
$1,000 to Robert Dole for President 1996
The only Dems he's given to in nearly 20 years, according to the online records, are Amy Klobuchar and Tim Penny from Minnesota. Yeah, big hitter's, those two.

Oh Target. Things were so much easier when you were nice people rather than intolerant red state Bible thumpers.

Either you are for the owners of capital continuing to gather all the wealth into their own hands or you are for protecting the middle class.

What does this have to do with you ridiculously assigning a label to all righties because a CEO gets his contractually promised compensation?

#19 | Posted by goatman

hmmmm who do righties support workers or owners of capital?

who do lefties support workers or owners of capital?

Why do people vote against their best interest?

well thier mistake was not being a banker and giving millions to politicians like obama and barney frank...and YES republicans too

that way they can throw a business in the shitter and STILL get a multi million dollar bonus and pay for thier own health care.

well at least target can spend without restrictions to assure that politicians who support their policies are elected. thank god for that.

hmmmm who do righties support workers or owners of capital?

Let's try again. Please answer without deflections if possible (seems like you can't)

HOw does one man recieveing his contractually guaranteed compoensation replect on all righties? As far as that goes, how does any one pwerson's actions reflect on an entire group as you say it does?

hmmmm who do righties support workers or owners of capital?

Let's try again. Please answer without deflections if possible (seems like you can't)

HOw does one man recieveing his contractually guaranteed compoensation replect on all righties? As far as that goes, how does any one pwerson's actions reflect on an entire group as you say it does?

vernon seemingly defended target's actions

I naturally expanded upon the well documented support by righties on CEO compensation. If that assertion is incorrect, please demonstrate so.

Or is is your assertion that righties do not support these compensation packages?

HOw does one man recieveing his contractually guaranteed compoensation replect on all righties?

Do you agree that righties support these compensation packages?

if therefore, righties support these compensation, this situation is a perfect example of choosing between a wealthy CEO and middle class workers.

therefore you either support CEOs or middle class workers.

therefore why do righties hate the middle class (evident by supporting a CEO making $140 million as a pension while 8000 workers lose their health insurance).

hmmmm who do righties support workers or owners of capital?

Depends on which rightie you ask, of course.

who do lefties support workers or owners of capital?

De[ends on what leftie you ask, of course

Why do people vote against their best interest?

You mean what you consider to be their best interest? How fucking arrogant for you to think you know what is best for me. How about letting people act on what they think is best for themselves and you act on what you think is best for yourself? What a concept, huh, mr control freak?

How does one man recieveing his contractually guaranteed compoensation replect on all righties?

I guess he doesn't want to answer. I reckon the truth hurts too much. LOL

not as much as WHO DAT gonna be hurting after manning takes them apart

COLTS BY TEN

You mean what you consider to be their best interest? How fucking arrogant for you to think you know what is best for me. How about letting people act on what they think is best for themselves and you act on what you think is best for yourself? What a concept, huh, mr control freak?

hahahahaha here we have a fool defending this system. sure possibly someday you will be paid that much for your work, yep someday.

of course how does our nation benefit by 1 person being compensated so much while 8000 people lose their health benefits? ok I will give you that not every rightie supports that but it seems to me that rightie policy is geared to that end. There are a few self hating righties that get it. Of course if you dont support policies that support such wealth distribution, why would you vote agaisnt that end? thus logically follows the question of voting against your best interests.

See how that follows

righty policy is to support outrageous CEO compensation, it clearly comes at a cost to MC workers (as demonstrated by the Target example). so if you vote rightie you are voting against MC values.

WOuld you like to refute those facts with something other than parsing?

You mean what you consider to be their best interest?

Which side of the divide supports the policy of this type of CEO compensation?

Should a Target employee vote liberal or conservative?

We KNOW who the CEO supported (republican). Who should the employees support?

How does one man recieveing his contractually guaranteed compoensation replect on all righties?

I guess he doesn't want to answer. I reckon the truth hurts too much. LOL

#31 | Posted by goatman

Do righties or lefties support that type of compensation?

#37 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-02-06 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Don't bogart that thread.

In 2006 CEO of target made $39 million

Avg salary for an executive team leader? $53,000

I am Target spokesperson, and the story about Target demoting workers is completely inaccurate. Here are the facts. Each year we review our store operations and structure, which allows us to continually improve our guest service and productivity. We made minimal changes to our structure this year. The changes affect less than 5 percent of our hourly store team member base. Overall, the changes affected team members will experience include shifts in title or responsibility, and none of these team members will see a change in their current pay, the number of hours they work or their eligibility for benefits.

"The changes affect less than 5 percent of our hourly store team member base."

Huh? What is an "hourly store team member base", and how does that differ from other types of employees? And does that mean the changes effect salaried people in addition to that 5%...?

has target eliminated the Specialist and Team Leader position?

Will any full time positions become part time positions?

from the consumerist website

Interesting little detail was that our ETL-HR apparently got an email (which was sent out company wide) with some guidelines HR needs to follow for the next few months.

Basically all current specialists are to be told that they will continue to perform as they have been. They will continue to be scheduled 40 hours.

It directed HR to hire at least 1-2 more team members for every area which will be trained to perform the core roles of current specialists. (so for example - each store should have 2 or 3 TMs trained in handling MMB roles, electronics, shoes, etc)

Apparently the email went on to say that HR will receive another email within 3-4 months directing stores to reduce current specialist hours to below 32 hours a week. Reason being the company wants to get all the current specs in the company OFF the full time benefits plans to reduce cost. (i.e. health insurance, etc)

Once that happens the extra team members that have been trained are supposed to be scheduled along with the current specs to fulfill the needs of the departments. So basically current specialists will become part time and will "share" the department with other trained TMs.

Even though the email said it was just to get them off the full time benefits.... My personal opinion is that this sounds like a plan to get replacement team members in place, then piss off all the current specs (making much higher wages) enough to quit.... thus a bunch of current specs will be replaced all around the company with part time entry level pay.

is the information provided by the Target employee correct?

kari if you are a target spokesman you have some serious questions to answer. This type of action against your employees is bound to impact your bottom line.

I can only speak for myself but I would be hesitant to shop at a store that does this to its employees.

Do righties or lefties support that type of compensation?

I've answered that, but I'll expound for you. It depends on what rightie and what leftie. And I don't speak for any of them. You'll have to ask them individually.

Why won't you answer my question, truthhurts? I keep answering yours.

CEO makes 735 times that of an executive team leader

#39 | Posted by truthhurts

hmmm,
the exec team leader supervises 350 employees . .
the CEO supervises 350,000 employees . . .

that's a factor of 1000

just sayin' . . . using that 1000 factor, one also could make an argument that the CEO was underpaid and/or the team leader overpaid . . .

We just went through a role reclassification and basically no one's job, compensation, etc changed. Just the name of the job, which is pretty much irrelevant.

well I suppose my analysis would begin with considering that 1 person received $140 million in pension while 8000 (long term employees mind you) lost their health insurance.

I guess it would faill into a business model.

Will target be able to complete long term with this type of business model-fewer content, experienced, knowledgable middle managers? I believe no.

Do righties or lefties support that type of compensation?

I've answered that, but I'll expound for you. It depends on what rightie and what leftie. And I don't speak for any of them. You'll have to ask them individually.

Why won't you answer my question, truthhurts? I keep answering yours.

#45 | Posted by goatman

asked and answered. I have demonstrated that it is rightie (re. republican) position that CEO's be allowed whatever compensation their boards give them. Therefore, righties support 1 man receiving a $140 million pension. At teh same time 8000 people are going to lose their health insurance.

so if you support unfettered CEO compensation (republican ie rightie) policies than you dont have a problem with 8000 middle class workers losing their health insurance.

Now you can continue to deflect etc. (BTW I dont recall having said every rightie felt that way) but you continue to deflect from the core of the argument.

sheeple, according to teh target employee who was quoting the corporate email, target managers are supposed to hire more specialists and team leaders and in a few months reduce the hours for most of the workers.

I have demonstrated that it is rightie (re. republican) position that CEO's be allowed whatever compensation their boards give them.

So you admit that you are one of those broad brush idiots -- that every rightie thinks exactly the same. Sad for you, indeed.

What if this CEO was a leftie. You have no way of knowing, of course. How does he fit into your silly "one size fits all" scheme? Or what about any leftie CEO? What about George Soros, a known leftie? Think he would approve?

You broad brush people ought to just wave a flag that says, "I'm an idiot. Don't take me seriously".

ummmm wrong. I demonstrated it is rightie policy. you built the strawman that I said all righties.

now go fight your strawman elsewhere.

obtw this ceo is a republican.

is it rightie policy to support unfettered executive compensation.

?

well I suppose my analysis would begin with considering that 1 person received $140 million in pension while 8000 (long term employees mind you) lost their health insurance.

I guess it would faill into a business model.
#48 | Posted by truthhurts

a) the pension pkg of a CEO guy with 40+ yrs service who worked his way up from stocking shelves at Target . . . is unrelated to the company's day-to-day REACTION TO CURRENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS

b) part-time can continue health insurance on their own dime under COBRA, til things pick back up (2010 & 2012 elections)

c) it's better than being unemployed

d) company service & seniority will not be interrupted

e) Target CAN also opt to NOT charge the full 100% COBRA premium

f) when on COBRA ya DO get a rude reminder of the actual cost of benefits which can be taken for granted

I demonstrated it is rightie policy.

???

You "demonstrate" just like da bOoB does: "I said so".

Now if you can produce a link that backs up your claim you have something.

BTW, you never answered about leftie CEOs or leftie fat cats like Soros. How do they fit into your "one size fits all" scheme?

oops!

LOL

Truthhurts: (it sure does, doesn't it?) What if you, a leftie, were offered a sizable compensation package for your work similar to the CEO of target? Would you say, "No thanks, that's a rightie policy"?

I didn't think so. So I guess it's a leftie policy too.

Target sucks. When I went to buy a car seat they only had the demo of the one I wanted. After walking a half mile to find a salesperson she told me "oh, they come in sometimes."

I am still wondering how the left justifies taking money from Soros. Soros manipulation of the Malaysian Ringhit caused a recession in that country to led to the starvation and malnutrition of poor people.

What's Republican or Democratic to you?

Republican - that whiny sound the power steering box makes when low on fluid.

Republican - that whiny sound the power steering box makes when low on fluid.

I'm not stupid enough to let the fluid get low on my power steering. Must be a Democrat thing. What does it sound like?

dude, I hope ya aint runnin' a business

a) the pension pkg of a CEO guy with 40+ yrs service who worked his way up from stocking shelves at Target . . . is unrelated to the company's day-to-day REACTION TO CURRENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS

TH: umm ok the compensation for the CEO is unrelated to teh company's current economic condition. ok gotcha. so a business couldnt save when things are going well for bad time. ok gotcha. so a CEO is entitle to 735 times the avg pay of a store manager and that is unrelated to its current economic condition. and since the compensation to the CEO is paid out NOW that is unrelated to the current economic condition. Psst, instead of giving the CEO $140 million they could give that to the 8000 workers.

b) part-time can continue health insurance on their own dime under COBRA, til things pick back up (2010 & 2012 elections)

TH: hahahahaha avg Team leader makes $53K, sure they can afford it. hahaha you are ajoke

c) it's better than being unemployed

TH: YEAH FUCK THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS!!!! You are a laugh riot.

d) company service & seniority will not be interrupted

TH: are you daft? they are replacing the full time senior store employees with less trained part time employees and BTW This has been done before CIRCUIT CITY. but you knew that right?

e) Target CAN also opt to NOT charge the full 100% COBRA premium

TH: hahah yeah right that will happen

f) when on COBRA ya DO get a rude reminder of the actual cost of benefits which can be taken for granted

TH: yes COBRA costs alot and we get back to the morality of a CEO making 735 times a store manager's salary and $140 million in pension (he was a below avg CEO btw) while cutting 8000 employees health insurance. you are on the record of supporting the CEO, fine. no problem here. I get it. I have a problem with that though.

#55 | Posted by markh

Target CAN also opt to NOT charge the full 100% COBRA premium

My money is that they will charge the full 100% COBRA premium.

I find this move by target in bad taste.

It won't happen soon, but what will happen is that the quality employees will leave for better benefits, they will be replaced by people who cannot get a better job. Quality of service will drop, sales will drop and the Board will issue a press release "We could have never foresaw that coming".

It is the circle of life.

My belief is that all my employees are deserving of health insurance that I provide. Too many of my competitors are beginning to make employees pay 1/2 etc and has allowed me to hire away some great talent from other firms.

To make sure my employees know what their benefits are, in their annual reviews I will give them a list of what I pay for a) vacation time, b) health ins c)profit sharing. Usually the first time they see it they had no idea what the cost of benefits are.

demonstrated it is rightie policy.

???

You "demonstrate" just like da bOoB does: "I said so".

Now if you can produce a link that backs up your claim you have something.

BTW, you never answered about leftie CEOs or leftie fat cats like Soros. How do they fit into your "one size fits all" scheme?

oops!

LOL

#56 | Posted by goatman

ummmm I guess you didnt click on the links in 37 and 36 above. that's ok you are funny arguing from ignorance.

wrt to soros, I dont give a shit about him. how is that for an answer?

Truthhurts: (it sure does, doesn't it?) What if you, a leftie, were offered a sizable compensation package for your work similar to the CEO of target? Would you say, "No thanks, that's a rightie policy"?

I didn't think so. So I guess it's a leftie policy too.

#57 | Posted by goatman

something tells me that wont happen, sad I know but truth hurts

until that day, though i wont fight to defend those making such compensation since it obviously comes at the expense of oh i dont know ME

I'm not stupid enough to let the fluid get low on my power steering

Me neither, my neighbor on the other hand does and he has a W sticker on the bumper. Go figure.

Why do people insist on voting against their own best interests?

What does it sound like?

Listen to any of Mayor Moosevilles campaign speeches from last year and you will get an idea.

What's Republican or Democratic to you?

Crooks

that's a factor of 1000

just sayin' . . . using that 1000 factor, one also could make an argument that the CEO was underpaid and/or the team leader overpaid . . .

#46 | Posted by markh

hmmmm I wonder how much the POTUS should make then

Why do people insist on voting against their own best interests?

Because the right wing noise machine has everyone snowed on the idea that if you vote for them all your problems will be solved.

Because the right wing noise machine has everyone snowed on the idea that if you vote for them all your problems will be solved.

That's right. Vote Democrat and your problems will be solved.

(stops, looks around)

Never mind.

Why do people insist on voting against their own best interests?

They don't

GOP and Democratic Plans

Why do people insist on voting against their own best interests?

They don't

#74 | Posted by goatman

Is it in the Target employees interest to have the democratic or GOP plan in place? In other words would the Target employees interest be served by a GOP plan that does nothing about CEO compensation or a democratic plan that restricts CEO compensation?

If target was not giving 1 man $140million pension couldnt they afford to keep paying their employees health insurance?

They don't

#74 | Posted by goatman

Bullshit. If you make 249K or less voting Dem is the only choice. Even if you make more that 250K I say Dem is the only choice. Only vote republican if you are 100% sure you won't mind burning in hell.

Is it in the Target employees interest to have the democratic or GOP plan in place?

As you pointed out, the GOP has no plan. Since the governmet fucks up everything they get their fingers in, I'd say the GOP "plan" (lack of one) is better. The government shouldn't be meddling in compensation packages.

"Requires all executive compensation packages be subject to a non-binding vote from shareholders."

Non-binding?

Then it might as well be nothing.

Is it in the Target employees interest to have the democratic or GOP plan in place?

Also, (and this may come as a shock to you) but people don't necessarily vote on what a candidate feels about CEO compensation. Some vote on their stances on abortion. Some vote on their stances on foreign policy. So each person weighs things out and votes on what they think is best for them.

We don't need control freaks like you telling us what is best in a candidate.

As you pointed out, the GOP has no plan. Since the governmet fucks up everything they get their fingers in, I'd say the GOP "plan" (lack of one) is better. The government shouldn't be meddling in compensation packages.

#79 | Posted by goatman

hmmm seems that the Target employees would be better off with health insurance than without, but that is me.

the GOP doesnt even want the shareholders to vote on the compensation packages essentially having them demonstrate tehir awareness of the situation.

CEO compensation is established by the boards, a few executives.

Is it in the Target employees interest to have the democratic or GOP plan in place?

Also, (and this may come as a shock to you) but people don't necessarily vote on what a candidate feels about CEO compensation. Some vote on their stances on abortion. Some vote on their stances on foreign policy. So each person weighs things out and votes on what they think is best for them.

We don't need control freaks like you telling us what is best in a candidate.

#81 | Posted by goatman

hahahahah how has that abortion issue done for all the socially conservative folk. Voting for an abortion candidate becuase of their pro life stance is throwing away your vote. The repubs were incontrol of congress for 12 years and in control the WH and the SC for 6 of those. how did that work out for opponents of choice?

the repubs were able to effect all sorts of legislation that benefits soley the richest of the rich though.

This isn't an actual article, just a blog posting from someone who assumes that Target is moving people part time to save Target from having to pay benefits. Did it occur to them that Target's choices might have been to either cut some employees to part time, or to lay them off? That a part-time job is better than none at all?

Personally, I say "so what"... if you have a job and you don't like the work conditions, QUIT. Find a new job.

It Target cuts the hours or pay of their employees, those employees can go somewhere else. As someone posted upstream (a lib, if I remember correctly), he has been able to hire good workers from his competitor because he offers better pay and / or benifits.

If you REALLY think that your job sucks, try starting your own business, work your ass off for 20 or so hours a day for, say, 30 years, and then see if you vote for more gov't meddling or less.

And as a final thought... I would LOVE to see all people work for their compensation, and then buy their own insurance. Put people directly involved with the cost and decision making.

All Target is doing is shifting the cost of health care from the private sector to the public sector. This is just one more example of why Medicare part E would be a much smarter way for us to provide health care. If Americans ever considered the true costs of buying goods from companies like Walmart and Target they would realize it is no bargain. These companies wipe out small businesses, buy their merchandise overseas thereby eliminating more jobs here, do not provide health insurance and thus shift the cost to taxpayers. Probably the best economic stimulus America could have would be for these huge companies to go bankrupt and be replaced by thousands of small enterprises.

"Democratic" party

I get tickled whenever someone tries to refer to their democrat party as the 'democratic' party. Their behavior this past year in power has been anything but democratic; hence the reason they are running scared going into this year's elections.

You don't have a right to health care.

-The Corporate States Of America

1 man gets $140 Million pension, 8000 middle class workers lose their health insurance

What are they bitching about they still have jobs don't they? They are lucky Target didn't just fire them and make them reapply for their own jobs at minimum wage.

Like Circuit City did.

Corporations have rights you know! Of course, the People spoke out loudly on what they thought of Circuit City.

Circuit City is now bankrupt.

or they could not give their CEO's $140 million pension compensation AND provide their workers with Health care AND turn a profit

Target has always been a nasty company. Their corporate HQ is built on the grave of a nice Minneapolis subdivision the residents didn't want to leave, but Target rammed eminent domain up everyone's ass. Their vaunted Michael Graves stuff was planned as Chinese from the get-go. They never did give one more atom of a shit than Wal-Mart did; they're just getting a little more open about it now.

If you don't like Target... don't buy their shit. If you don't like Walmart, don't buy their shit either.

Don't just bitch... take your wallet out and buy some higher-priced shit from some other store. If enough people put principal ahead of personal gain, then we would have a MOVEMENT...

Nah... never happen... just pop another beer and go back to screaming which party is fucking you in the ass this week.