The actions of these incompetent fuckstains border on criminally negligent. Any rational individual should seriously question the fitness of parents who willfully and wantonly endanger the safety of their children by depriving them of immunizations. Perhaps they should be forced to sign a statement like this:

Sworn Affidavit of Unsuitability for the Duties of Parenthood

Being (a person/people) of considerable gullibility and substantial ignorance, (I/we) do hereby affirm that protecting (my/our) newborn against infectious disease is against (my/our) deep, sincerely held, overwhelmingly irrational superstitions. This includes, but is not limited to, any and all procedures that have attracted the attention of fraudulent healthcare providers and the religious crackpots of (insert cult here).

This written statement establishes (my/our) complicity in knowingly endangering (my/our) newborn by witholding immunizations, newborn screening, and the Vitamin K shot, because (I/we) hold asinine beliefs which are inconsistent with conducting (myself/ourselves) as rational, loving parent(s). As (I/we) are committing a premeditated, criminally negligent act by willfully compromising the health of a newborn, (I/we) will make the obnoxious claim that the free exercise of (my/our) religious principles justifies (my/our) stupidity.

The Hepatitis-B vaccine protects against a disease that transmitted by contact with blood and bodily fluids and has the potential to cause liver damage or cancer. As Hepatitis B can be transmitted via unprotected sexual contact, it has the potential to usurps (my/our) perceived right to manipulate (my/our) child's behavior with fear and endanger (his/her) health in the likely event that (my/our) efforts fail. The acceptance of this vaccine is a common-sense action that stands in direct contradiction to (my/our) delusional worldview.

Before putting our girl in daycare we made sure they had a requirement of collecting vaccination records from the parents and children weren't allowed to be enrolled unless they were reasonably up to date on all their shots.

Parents who don't get their kids vaccinated should be sterilized...

I worked with a girl that thought vaccines caused autism because "There are monkey brains in vaccines, and my aunt says they cause autism and shes really smart".

That was basically the gist of her argument.

It was horrible.

I worked with a girl that thought vaccines caused autism because "There are monkey brains in vaccines, and my aunt says they cause autism and shes really smart".

Yeah, you can pretty much expect that sort of nonsense out of the anti-vaccine movement. It would be comically stupid if people weren't suffering as a result of it.

Lol, cuntrarian... you defend your blatant disregard for scientific fact with a link to a raving crackpot on youtube? I wish I could say this was surprising. Fuck, you're stupid.

the u.s. government lies to the people so often that even were it to tell the truth no intelligent person should believe it.

Vaccinating all kids (in the U.S.) with Hep B is downright stupid ---healthcare workers at risk; yes, babies born to mothers with active hep B; yes, children in countries with a high incidence of the disease; yes; children and other adults (in countries with low incidence) indiscriminately; no.

My argument is always correct because it's left leaning.

---Zombie, Lronhubbard----

You guys are pretty intelligent i suppose but you can't seem to make that last step, can you? Blocked by self-righteousness.

If,

People that avoid vaccines are stupid,

And,

Avoiding vaccines will kill them off,

And,

It will not harm the vaccinated.

What exactly is your beef? Do you want stupid people to reproduce and multiply or not?

What is hidden in your words is the same old thing bullshit spewed by Wingnut Talibaptists about abortion. WE ONLY WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, TO CONTROL AND REGULATE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT AS KNOWLEDGABLE AS (my group).

There is a fine line between being hysterical about vaccines either way. I know parents who get every new vaccine that comes out I know parents who only get the required vaccines then there is us. We do the standard MMR etc. we skip the seasonal flu, we tried to skip chicken pox but then it became required. We got the cervical cancer one for our daughter. Some vaccines just don't make sense to get but others don't make sense not to get. Problem is there seems to be an extreme lack of sense in America today and it comes from both sides of just about any argument.

the u.s. government lies to the people so often that even were it to tell the truth no intelligent person should believe it.

#7 | Posted by Shawn

Lot of truth in that statement.

What exactly is your beef? Do you want stupid people to reproduce and multiply or not?

I would prefer stupid people just shoot themselves instead of subjecting their kids to preventable infections. Who knows... the kids might have a fighting chance of not growing up to be as idiotic as their parents. If a person wants to be a moron, that person and that person alone should suffer the consequences.

What is hidden in your words is the same old thing bullshit spewed by Wingnut Talibaptists about abortion.

Except that they have no rational basis for their babble, and I do. You're comparing apples to elephants, lipshit, but you are too dense to realize the fucking difference.

Darwin Rules!

We spread out out daughter's vaccinations rather than blindly following our Dr's recommendations. I highly doubt vaccines cause autism, but why not keep it to 2 vaccines a visit? Though the odds of complications are small, does it hurt anything to follow a slightly different schedule? I don't think so. She's totally up to date on her shots and she's NEVER had so much as a fever after her vaccinations.

I highly doubt vaccines cause autism, but why not keep it to 2 vaccines a visit?

It's unfortunate, but you can't count on people regularly taking their kids to pediatricians. Knowing that, it's becoming pretty standard to administer most vaccinations at the first opportunity.

Except that they have no rational basis for their babble, and I do.

#14 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Told you. Self-Righteousness run amuck. In the spirit of kindness and good debate, I'll ask again, what exactly is the rational basis for your argument? And why is your basis more rational than those that would want to save childrens lives (which I think is probably your point too)?

For the record, I think both extremist groups are full of shit, but then again, I personally have to live every day of my life in the house with an Autistic child (my 13 yr old step-son) so this is NOT a philosophical argument to me. (BTW, his fraternal twin is not Autistic).

I believe, in general, that well-kept and properly administered vaccines do not cause Autism, because it is a known fact that a certain gene(s) causes it, and everyone has that same 'autism' gene, but something occassionally makes it go hay-wire. Until they find out what that trigger is, I'm filing it under 'I don't know'.

I can assure you that if you want to believe the easiest thing, you will believe vaccines cause Autism. The alternative belief is much more scary, and with much larger implications.

I have often wondered if a really autistic adults would defend themselves if necessary? I would like to try an experiment. It would involve an autistic person being placed into a boxing ring and then told to fight. At first they might act like they are in their own world but what do they do when hard shots are slamming into their skull? This will answer many questions. If they can react then we will know they have value in society.

A good article from PLoS Biology about the mindset behind the anti-vax movement.
#15 | POSTED BY ZOMBIEHUNTER

Until the poison peddlers come up with a viable explanation for autism, it won't go away. The anti-vaccine movement is claiming that the Lancet article implicating vaccines was pulled because of political pressure. The last I read, the author is refusing to make a retraction. The timing is too much of a coincidence.

I'll ask again, what exactly is the rational basis for your argument?

A few things. First, an overwhelming amount of reproducible, peer-reviewed data confirmed the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Second, over a decade of large epidemiological studies have refuted the crackpot claims of a link between vaccines and autism. Third, the leaders of the anti-vaccine movement exploit the ignorance of their audience to start urban legends rather than conduct any legit research of their own.

I can understand people wanting to blame something for their child's autism instead of accepting the fact that some shit is simply beyond their control. If these people are foolish enough to open their mouths and scapegoat something they know jack shit about, they are going to be met with the ridicule they deserve. That is not "self-righteousness". It is a refusal to be swayed by legions of blithering idiots who have swallowed an urban legend hook, line, and sinker.

come up with a viable explanation for autism

You don't have to explain autism mechanistically to rule out vaccination as playing a role in the condition. This is pretty basic stuff, ray.

IMO, when you inject foreign substances into your bloodstream, you're asking for trouble.

It's becoming a recurring theme here... several things that exist "in your opinion" have no basis in fact. Several others (take a look at your statistic blaming Big Pharma for 160K deaths) involve generous leaps of logic and are based on a third-grader's understanding of the subject matter.

If the anti-vaccine movement were capable of making an intelligent point instead of blathering on like a bunch of whiney fucking dropouts who think they know everything, they might be received better. As it is now, you just have a legion of pissed off half-wits who are very vocal in their stupidity.

You don't have to explain autism mechanistically to rule out vaccination as playing a role in the condition. This is pretty basic stuff, ray.

As I said, the flat denials aren't swaying critics.

If the anti-vaccine movement were capable of making an intelligent point instead of blathering on like a bunch of whiney fucking dropouts who think they know everything, they might be received better. As it is now, you just have a legion of pissed off half-wits who are very vocal in their stupidity.

Insults like that only piss them off more.

It's becoming a recurring theme here... several things that exist "in your opinion" have no basis in fact.

I and others have given links to alternative methods for boosting immune systems which you and JPW stridently dismiss. I remind you, I've been practicing natural methods all my adult life with positive results.

It's becoming a recurring theme here... several things that exist "in your opinion" have no basis in fact.

Didn't you get the memo, zombie?

People like you and I, those who take the time and effort to become educated on the topic are merely thought WHAT to think. Whereas Ray, the expert in critical thinking, has figured out HOW to think.

You're just supposed to neglect the many many cases of poor and sloppy thinking Ray exhibits, we clearly weren't meant to be attempting to think at his level.

As I said, the flat denials aren't swaying critics.

They're not flat out denials, Ray.

There are many studies to back the conclusion that the asserted link between Thimerosal and autism is not real.

Scientists do not have to solve the entire puzzle before we can say thimerosal exposure doesn't cause autism.

Hell, scientists don't have to prove anything, nor do they have to disprove anything. Those making the assertions have to show they are correct, not the other way around. That has been one of the fundamental problems with this whole debate.

I and others have given links to alternative methods for boosting immune systems which you and JPW stridently dismiss.

Only when they're from Mercola et al.

I remind you, I've been practicing natural methods all my adult life with positive results.

And regardless of what you want to BELIEVE, your single anecdote is useless in determining whether your methods are actually effective.

It's great you're of a ripe old age and still have your health. You cannot, however, claim it was your lifestyle that has caused it.

Hell, I'm a healthy 27 year old, does that mean working long hours, sleeping way too little, drinking alternative cycles of coffee and beer and eating on an erratic schedule is the correct prescription for good health at 27? No.

IMO, when you inject foreign substances into your bloodstream, you're asking for trouble.

Except that is precisely what your immune system adapted to deal with-the presence of foreign material in your body. (BTW vaccines aren't administered intravenously)

According to this source, Big Pharma is responsible for 106,000 deaths every year due to adverse drug reactions.

Nice straw man.

You bring this up constantly in anti-vaccine threads when it's sort of irrelevant. Yes mistakes are made. Yes people die when they shouldn't have. However, the medical field is aware of this problem and always strives to fix it.

You, however, seem to want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

"h1n1 hoax"

Posted by L_RContrarian

I had H1N1.
Go fuck yourself.

Even after the latest expose of h1n1 hoax

Which was actually a more recent rehashing of a story that's been mentioned on here at least two other times.

Tell me when that story becomes anything more than claims and assertions.

you'd think the over-the-top propaganda would come to a halt. Think again. Walgreen's is now just ramping it up.

OMG a single Wal-Greens store is putting stickers on stale coke and shitty snack food. Clearly this means the government wants to inject us with its super secret death poison apparatchik eugenics ad hominem death ray thing.

-LR_Contrarian

You really should get checked out by some sort of professional. The amount of shit you deposit in your drawers has to break some sort of physics law about matter production.