"It wasn't anything malicious. It was just a joke taken the wrong way."

Always is.

Usually when these stories are posted there is some controversy...
I don't see what the hook is here. He did something that violated his "Honor Society's" rules and he felt the repercussions(sp).

So what?

He was kicked out because a teacher gave him a "D" for posting the facebook page.

I posted this because I predict that the Liberals on this site are going to defend the teacher giving him a "D".

The dishonesty is expected.

WTF?

He was kicked out because a teacher gave him a "D" for posting the facebook page.

Did you even read the article?

Because you are wrong.

I know a HS SR at a private, college prep catholic school, great kid, honor student, good athelete, popular.

A friend of his created a facetious facebook group questioning sending $ to Haiti when there are poor people in America dying.

The Facebook group grew to around 80 kids and an online argument occurred between the HS SR and his buddies and people who thought the group was offensive. This was not done at school, though the HS SR's name mentions the school.

Well the kid's school got wind of the argument and is punishing him by suspending him for 2 weeks (and making him pay for a tutor during this time), not allowing him to go to the prom, not going on the SR trip, not participating in any school activities.

He can do nothing about it because if he does they will not allow him to participate in the graduation ceremony.

Did you even read the article?

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2010-02-04 04:02 PM | Reply

No shit. Who posts a thread and still doesn't know what the fuck happened?

BoOb, Rex and I could think of a few others but won't clutter my mind or time.

Who posts a thread and still doesn't know what the fuck happened?

A rightwing blowhard with the intelligence of toe fungus. Otherwise known as Eddie.

Opps, you're right. I mis-read it.

So he was kicked out of the organization for posting something bad on Facebook about the school.

He can do nothing about it because if he does they will not allow him to participate in the graduation ceremony.

#6 | Posted by clemens

I'd sue 'em.

I don'y know what this facebook crap is. It sounds like a sexual deviant term

Apparently private school students have no rights.

If the school is sued, they will not allow him to graduate.

The financial damage is negiglible at this point.

If colleges hear of the suspension they might consider him a troublemaker.

Does anyone know how this process works (review and acceptance) WRT to suspensions? ie permanent record.

Supposedly the school wont be sending the colleges the info but it is apublic document. Dont know what this means.

I think this is freedom of speech issue. Facebook is a venue outside of the school.

Just like I have the freedom to post an article and mis-read it and you have the freedom to traunce me on it :)

Supposedly the school wont be sending the colleges the info but it is apublic document. Dont know what this means.

#14 | Posted by clemens

I'm guessing that we're getting into a defamation issue. If a student behaves a certain way outside of school and that behavior is accepted in any public situation as well as in school, and was suspended. And, that suspension kept him from being accepted, I think that would be a defamation lawsuit.

How about if the kid was a KKK member with a website and was suspended?

Is it the same?

the school's code of ethics states (i believe) that anything the kid does that reflects negatively on the school he can be held accountable for.

The school required this middle class white kid to work in soup kitchens and exposed him to very poor people. His consciousness expanded, he developed empathy and he questioned why we were sending haiti money when people in the US were suffering. Ok he needs to expand his understanding.

ok he had an argument with some idiot about it.

He is being slammed for it. What would jesus do.

Fine christian values, destroy a kid because of a supposed smudge on the school's image.

Again, if there is anyone out there with knowledge on what all this means WRT the college admittance process I would be interested in hearing.

Regarding the article, the school definitely had a right to act in this way. They aren't depriving him of an education and they didn't suspend him. They removed him from a school honor society because he dishonored the school.

What's more, he himself transferred schools over the issue. So he was okay with the poor education he felt he was receiving, but he wasn't okay when his teachers held him accountable to the honor society's code of conduct?

Eddie, mis-reading the article was only your first problem.

What's more, he himself transferred schools over the issue. So he was okay with the poor education he felt he was receiving, but he wasn't okay when his teachers held him accountable to the honor society's code of conduct?

Eddie, mis-reading the article was only your first problem.

#18 | Posted by dylanfan

What's wrong with holding the teachers and administrators accountable?

It seems they retaliated and it seems you are giving them a pass on it.

Perhaps you should take a good look at yourself before judging others?

Anyway, perhaps I was expecting dishonesty and got your honest opinion.

I am beginning to understand the problems in our school system!

I understand that you might think that they're retaliating, but there's really no way to prove it. The honor society requires the student to honor the school. Creating a facebook page about how lousy the school is hardly honoring it.

The student has a right to that opinion. The student has a right to create a facebook page expressing that opinion. The student has a right to continue receiving an education if he creates a facebook page saying his school is crap. He does not have a right to break the requirements of his honor society and expect a pass on it.

#18 | Posted by dylanfan

BTW, it's not the school's honor roll.

I guess this article has more than one mis-reading.

Um...I didn't say honor roll.

Strike two.

Look, to clarify, I think it's unfortunate that his school does so poorly on standardized tests (that's a whole other issue for another time). I think its surprising that a girl claims to have skipped 2-3 times a week during her senior year and still graduated with a 4.0.

I think it's disgusting that your response seems to be entirely to blame the school and give the students a pass. If that girl wanted a higher-quality education, she shouldn't have been skipping 2-3 times a week. If the kid in the article wanted to remain an NHS member, he should have remembered the "Honor" part of it.

If he wanted to take a stand against the low academic standards of his school, then that's also fine. But he contradicts himself, at least according to the linked article. At first he says he created the group because he was concerned about graduating from a "D" school. Later, he said it was a joke. Well, which was it? Is he taking a brave stance as an academic-quality hero, or is he a jokester? My guess is a third option: he's an impulsive kid who thought it would be funny to create that facebook page without thinking through the consequences. When there were consequences, he first tried to defend himself and then tried to dismiss the situation as being a joke. He wanted a free pass for his behavior, and when he didn't get it and was held accountable, he ran away to another school.

Um...I didn't say honor roll.

Strike two.

#22 | Posted by dylanfan

Strike two?

really?

You give failing teachers a pass and I'm not supposed to think you're being arrogant?

#23 | Posted by dylanfan

BTW, it doesn't violate the National Honor Society's code of ethics to speak badly about the school.

Strike two.

Their policy is to let the local organizers of the chapter take care of deciplinary problems. I am trying to find out what the kid did that was wrong!

He has freedom to speak his mind outside of school, hasn't he?

Again, shame on you for giving failing teachers a pass!! This is what's wrong! We are not holding them accountable.

It's all very simple. The school is failing, he complained about it and now he's being punished for complaining!

I think that the parents of the students demand the school improve or everyone is fired!

And why don't we have a Voucher System?

Seriously, are you drunk?

I said srike two because you misread that I said something about "honor roll" in my initial post. The issue has nothing to do with honor roll, and nobody ever said it did.

Is English your first language? Because you have two strikes against you. See, it's a metaphor. Because first you said that a teacher gave him a D because of something he posted on facebook. Strike one. Then, you mentioned something about "honor roll" that wasn't mentioned by anybody else. Strike two. You can't expect honest discussion if you keep moving the goalposts about what we're discussing.

Is it this student and his actions in the article you posted?

Is it the school he attends?

Is it school and teacher accountability?

Is it personal accountability?

You seem to want to force the third choice to be the issue. As I said in my post prior to this one (do you read all of them?), it's sad that his school appears to be such a cake-walk. Pardon me if I'm going to accept as fact that the school could be doing a better job based of the word of a girl who skipped 50% of her senior year. So it scores lower on standardized tests? So what -- without other data, that's meaningless. Are there extenuating circumstances around the district? What were the testing conditions? What is the student population like? Were the low test scores from one particular year or is there a trend? I'd like some more information before I crucify the school.

Now, what's your defense of this student breaking his honor society's rules and expecting a pass on it?

you really are an arrogant putz, aren't you?

Comeon, guy. I admitted I made a mistake.

You can't expect honest discussion if you keep moving the goalposts about what we're discussing.

Who's moving goalposts?

you are claiming that the kid misbehaved by complaining that the school is not up to standards.

I'm saying you're full of shit and not holding teachers accountable!

You say "Their policy is to let the local organizers of the chapter take care of deciplinary problems. I am trying to find out what the kid did that was wrong!"

From the article:

"When Fuentes returned from winter break last month, a panel of teachers voted unanimously to dismiss him from the National Honor Society on the grounds he had not upheld a pledge to show loyalty to his school, Fuentes told the Tribune."

So the local chapter felt that he had violated the pledge, and he was punished accordingly. NHS says it's on the local chapter, as you rightly pointed out, and the local chapter felt he had violated the rules. That's what he did wrong. It says rather clearly in the article YOU posted.

Although, and this is a little weird but I'm 100% serious, I am having a slight change of heart over wording. The pledge requires loyalty to his school, and one could argue that questioning the quality of something IS showing loyalty because you want the best possible product. Would you agree with that?

Now what if Fuentes were a liberal in 2003 criticizing and protesting Bush administration policies in Iraq and the war on terror. Is that person a loyal citizen or not? Because I seem to remember a lot of hemming and hawing over the loyalty of war protesters around that time, not necessarily from you, but certainly from your side of the aisle.

Now, what's your defense of this student breaking his honor society's rules and expecting a pass on it?

#26 | Posted by dylanfan

You bring up a lot of points about low "standardized" test scores.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

You're giving the teachers a pass. That's obvious.

As for him breaking the rules of the Nation Honor Society? He didn't. We've established this.

He was kicked out on "local deciplinary" action, which is in the policy of Nation Honor Society.

Question is, did he do anything wrong? I don't think he did.

He was being quite honorable to the school by complaining there is a problem with the test scores, but not so much the teachers nor the administrators.

Look, I'll apologize for insinuating you were drunk, and it's good of you to man up and admit a mistake -- but it's pretty lame to get a detail wrong from the article you posted.

And you are moving goalposts. Are we talking about the student or about teachers? The article is about the student, but you want to make it about the teachers. I addressed that as soon as you brought it up -- it's sad that the school is not up to the standards you deem fit. But really, your going on and on about holding the teachers accountable comes across as a little hysterical and desperate to make an anti-public education rant.

Back on-track, though, the word "loyal" has always given me a bad feeling. I think it's over-used and mis-applied. I don't think the school is faultless here, but to pretend the kid is as well misses the point. Does the pledge mean something or doesn't it?

Although, and this is a little weird but I'm 100% serious, I am having a slight change of heart over wording. The pledge requires loyalty to his school, and one could argue that questioning the quality of something IS showing loyalty because you want the best possible product. Would you agree with that?

#29 | Posted by dylanfan

Thank you! I was thinking the same thing.

I also think that the NHS should revoke the chapter, but that will destroy the other kids.

Well, if it's not the standardized test scores you're using the judge the school, what is it? The word of some girl who posted on some facebook page you probably haven't looked at? Not that you need to track down every possible source on this, but wouldn't you want to maybe take the comments of one person with a grain of salt? A lot of high school students leave school feeling a little let down. You want to fire every teacher in the school over it.

Now, full disclosure, what is your opinion of the last part of my #29 post?

it's sad that the school is not up to the standards you deem fit. But really, your going on and on about holding the teachers accountable comes across as a little hysterical and desperate to make an anti-public education rant.

#31 | Posted by dylanfan

Bingo!

However, I have seen public schools do very well. since I've lived in Colorado, I've been very happy with the public schools my kids attend. For example, right outside of Denver, the Cherry Creek system is awesome, probably in the top 10 in the nation, but right across the line in Denver county, the system is very bad.

I shouldn't pick on teachers that much.

The better, more passionate teachers tend to flock to the better school districts.

Now what if Fuentes were a liberal in 2003 criticizing and protesting Bush administration policies in Iraq and the war on terror. Is that person a loyal citizen or not? Because I seem to remember a lot of hemming and hawing over the loyalty of war protesters around that time, not necessarily from you, but certainly from your side of the aisle.

#29 | Posted by dylanfan

Funny you should bring that up because it did happen in Boulder. There was a HUGE fuss over this. I can't remember the high school, but a teacher within the school mentored a group of students in how to properly protest. I didn't blame the students, I thought they were being, sell, kids and showing off. It was the teacher that was egging them on to protest the war in a unique fashion. I remember they protested outside the school and did a few other events, all in protesting the war.

But, the most memorable was that they started a band and called themselves the Tali-band. Cute, but very very inappropriate. They were going to try and play at school-sponsored functions. I don't think that ever happened.

Colorado has several bases and has a large number of residents who were active duty military at the time. Many military families of whom some members were in Iraq or Afghanistan or were injured or killed by the Taliban.

Being truthful? full disclosure? I thought it was tasteless for the kids to do what they were doing, but they were kids and I didn't think that they knew what they were doing and my only consolation was that they'd be parents one day and then remember how stupid they were. But, hey! That's part of growing up.

I thought it criminal that a teacher was sponsoring it and giving them ideas.

#36-
If that's the case, then how do you attract the best teachers to the school districts with the most problems? Here-in lies the problem with NCLB and RttT.

NCLB-This calls for closing under-performing schools or firing under-performing teachers. On the surface, this seems like it might be a tough-handed but reasonable call for accountability. But then you start looking at the required mandates of the bill and you realize that it's nearly impossible for every school to meet the requirements. For example, special education and ELL students are included in the requirements that ALL students score proficient or advanced in reading, math, and language arts. Is that desireable? Of course. Is it realistic, though? And what do you do to the schools that don't make the cut? Eventually, you close them. So what happens to those students? And where do you find the qualified, high-performing teachers who will want to work in a school that could be closed because of low test scores? Furthermore, if you're only testing those three areas, what keeps schools from lessening focus on other important areas like the arts, science, or social studies?

RttT-This calls for, among other things, merit pay for teachers. One proposed model is that a teacher will be paid based on the gains their students make in one year. If your students make one year's growth in one year, you get regular pay. If more than a year's growth, you get a "bonus," so to speak. Less than a year's growth, and you get docked. Now, no teacher does it for the money, but what teacher is going to take on a knowingly troubled group of students knowing that he or she will probably receive less money because of it? Established, experienced, and yes, talented teachers will use their seniority to get the classes where the students will log the most growth, leaving the lower and upper ends to be taught by less experienced and often less effectual teachers. And this is supposed to SOLVE the problem?

All of which is fairly off-topic. It seems, though, that generally when people rail against public educators (and I did appreciate the kudos you gave to your child's district), they lack realistic solutions because they don't understand the problems. Are there problems within education? Certainly. But blaming teachers isn't the only answer, and politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to act like it is.

I think I read a study once that a majority of respondants indicated that they felt there was a problem with public education, yet only a minority of respondants felt there was a problem with their own schools or districts. This perhaps indicates a discrepency between perception and reality.

"I thought it criminal that a teacher was sponsoring it and giving them ideas."

Yeah...nasty ideas like empower yourself.

"I thought it criminal that a teacher was sponsoring it and giving them ideas."

Yeah...nasty ideas like empower yourself.

#39 | Posted by Danforth

Do you crave taking the moral LOWER ground?

LOL.

Empower yourself? Really? To protest a war against an enemy that probably killed your neighbor?

I'll bet you're fun at parties.

#40-
Ah, therein lies the real response to my question. So it's okay for this student to protest his school, and that is showing loyalty, but it's wrong to protest a war that killed somebody's neighbor? At the risk of spoiling the civil mood that developed over the last few posts, that's an absolutely bullshit statement. Not muh time to elaborate, but does it occur to you that the protesters don't want any more deaths? That they view them as a tragedy, and THAT'S why they're protesting? That they are expressing LOYALTY to their country by making their disapproval known?

"To protest a war against an enemy that probably killed your neighbor? "

Well, yeah...if the reason my neighbor was killed was Bush invaded the wrong country.

"Do you crave taking the moral LOWER ground? "

Interesting you would consider exercising one's free speech as a lower moral ground, even if you disagree with the protestors.

but it's wrong to protest a war that killed somebody's neighbor?

#41 | Posted by dylanfan

Don't misread my post.

I said I thought it was tasteless to hold the enemy in high regard.

but does it occur to you that the protesters don't want any more deaths?

They could have and I didn't have any thought for or against them at that point.

When they named themselves the Tali-band, that's when they crossed the line.

It was tasteless.

I don't think you caught that the first time you read my post.

For a teacher to do that, I thought it a crime that he's around our children.

Interesting you would consider exercising one's free speech as a lower moral ground, even if you disagree with the protestors.

#42 | Posted by Danforth

What? Did you have a brain fart?

I also consider a KKK rally free speech, but I don't hold it at the high moral level.

Again, I am talking about them glorifying the enemy. It was in poor taste.

You made a mistake! Admit you didn't catch that.

Ah, I see -- you didn't make the connection between your earlier post and #40.

Before you blame the teacher, consider these questions:

1-The term you used, "mentor," could mean many different things. Was the teacher in class? Was the teacher advising a club that he or she was in charge of? Was the teacher having an informal discussion with some kids after school? When I hear "mentor," I think of the last one, but it could easily mean either of the others.

2-In what context did the "mentoring" take place? Was it along the lines of, "This war is totally wrong and you students need to protest it in every way possible!"? Was it, "Oh, you want to protest the war but you're not sure how? Let's talk about some ideas."? Was it, "Hey, you know what else would be cool? Form a band, and call it the Tali-band!"

There's lots of other variables here. Is it possible the teacher crossed a line? Sure. But without knowing the circumstances, it's impossible to condemn the teacher. I understand why you think the name of the band was disrespectful. It sounds like some kids trying to be clever more than it sounds like a nefarious ploy by a teacher to get impressionable kids to do his bidding. Seriously, what adult would think a clever name for a band was an effective method of protest?

Maybe it was an effort towards therapy. South Park pulled a 'taliban' joke in its first episode after 9/11 ("Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants," to be precise). It wasn't an effort to protest or support military action in Afghanistan. It was simply an effort to get people to laugh again. Is that so unusual? Weren't there Disney cartoons making fun of Hitler during WWII?

And really, naming your high school band the "Tali-band" is hardly glorifying the enemy. It's a semi-witty pun at best.

"I am talking about them glorifying the enemy."

How is protesting the war, glorifying the enemy?

"I am talking about them glorifying the enemy."

How is protesting the war, glorifying the enemy?

#47 | Posted by Danforth

Read, Forest, READ!!

"Read, Forest, READ!!"

I did, Haskell. Particularly when you posted "When they named themselves the Tali-band, that's when they crossed the line."

So it seems your problem is their name, and not their actions. Gee, how free-speech of you.

Ah, I see -- you didn't make the connection between your earlier post and #40.

#45 | Posted by dylanfan

Bad Grammer:

"To protest a war against an enemy that probably killed your neighbor?"

Who killed the neighbor?

you say the war, and in this sentence, you could be right.

I say the enemy, and in this sentence I could be right.

To defend my position, I've been focused on the name of the band, the Tali-band, which in my opinion glorified the enemy. This is bad taste and probably would be bad behavior.

But, still, I don't fault the kids, they were probably idiots and needed to grow up. However, the teacher knew better.

You see, just right down the road was a guy named Ward Churchill who was a professor at CU. You may have heard of him.

He was the one who told his students that the people in the Twin Towers were not innocent and deserved to die. I thought that in poor taste as well.

But there is a difference here. Professor Churchill was "preaching" to adult students were the teacher at the high school was "mentoring" minors.

So it seems your problem is their name, and not their actions. Gee, how free-speech of you.

#49 | Posted by Danforth

Free speech, Forest?

I said poor taste.

Didn't I agree with you about the free speech? I agree that a KKK rally is free speech too.

Why do you keep missing it?

Read!!!

"I said poor taste."

Bullshit, you said "glorifying the enemy".

And really, naming your high school band the "Tali-band" is hardly glorifying the enemy. It's a semi-witty pun at best.

#46 | Posted by dylanfan

They dressed up as the Taliban too to protest the war in their little band.

It was in poor taste.

The school drew the line there, but didn't suspend them.

i thought it was bad behavior on the school campus, but the school did nothing.

Can you imagine protesting WWII and dressing up as a Japanese Soldier?

Yikes!!!

you see? One teacher's definition of bad behavior is another's freedom of speech.

The kid should not have been kicked out of the National Honor Society.

They dressed up as the Taliban too to protest the war in their little band.

#53 | Posted by Eddie

Let me recind this statement because I'm trying to remember back to 2003 or 04 and I don't remember if someone said this in an article or on the radio, or what, but there was a lot of controversy.

Now you have me wondering. I'm going to google.

Holy crap! Here it is!!!

It's bigger than I thought (poor girl). I'm in Colorado Springs and this was going on up in Boulder which are worlds apart.

Wow, Those were different times!!! Weren't they?

This thread is a case study of exactly what happened to those kids in that band, and how for some there's no difference today than then.

I think this is freedom of speech issue.

No one is depriving him of his freedom to speak. Just kicking him out of the honor society for dishonoring the school.

BTW, it doesn't violate the National Honor Society's code of ethics to speak badly about the school.

The national already said they don't have a policy about it and leave it up to the local level.

What's wrong with holding the teachers and administrators accountable?

It seems they retaliated and it seems you are giving them a pass on it.

Hold them accountable for what? Following their local chapter rules?

Did they retailiate? They enforced the rules of the organization. Do I disagree with loyalty oaths? Yes. But the kid took one and then broke it so he should learn that actions have consequences.

It is a life lesson.

I still don't think the band name was in poor taste, although after reading the article I don't think singing 'Masters of War' was particularly sensitive if there were families of service members attending the school. The lyric mentioned in the article is more about the higher-level officials who send soldiers to war than the soldiers themselves, but I doubt a high school band could make that abundantly clear during a single performance.

A look at Wesley Chapel High's latest Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test scores shows it performs below state averages in reading, math and science, but only slightly lower than other high schools schools in the Pasco County district.

Kids got a point about his school's low achievement levels.

That noted how did he imagine that creating a Face(palm)book page entitled "Wesley Chapel High = Fail" was NOT gonna get him kicked outta the honor society.

All that noted, punishing students fer being honestly critical of their schools and for activities done on their own time is troubling trend.

Be Well.

What's wrong with holding the teachers and administrators accountable?

It seems they retaliated and it seems you are giving them a pass on it.

Hold them accountable for what? Following their local chapter rules?

Did they retailiate? They enforced the rules of the organization. Do I disagree with loyalty oaths? Yes. But the kid took one and then broke it so he should learn that actions have consequences.

It is a life lesson.

#57 | Posted by 726

You can't do that!

I require that you, at least, pay attention when you respond to me.

Hold the teachers and administrators accountable for the level of education at the school!

Why are the Libs defending the teachers and administrators?

You guys really need to stop doing this. Once you do, our school systems will begin to get better.

Be part of the solution!!!

I still don't think the band name was in poor taste, although after reading the article I don't think singing 'Masters of War' was particularly sensitive if there were families of service members attending the school. The lyric mentioned in the article is more about the higher-level officials who send soldiers to war than the soldiers themselves, but I doubt a high school band could make that abundantly clear during a single performance.

#58 | Posted by dylanfan

There were a number of events going on before this.

There was the group who were defending the students, which included teachers, administrators, students, and parents.

Most everyone gave them a pass.

However, the teacher who was egging them on did not get the same treatment.

I'm just telling you what I remember.

I, as well, gave them a pass on the protest, but I thought the whole Tally-band thing was taste-less.

I didn't know that the Secret Service was alerted to it, though!

It was 2003, it was a different time.

But tell me, dylanfan,

Why did these kids get a pass for protesting the President and possibly breaking the law and the other kid in Florida protest EXACTLY the same way, different venue, get kicked out of the honor society?

Strange dicotomy, hmmmmm?

All that noted, punishing students fer being honestly critical of their schools and for activities done on their own time is troubling trend.
Be Well.

#59 | Posted by dethspud

I think it revealing of the attitude of teachers and administrators around the country.

They will not take responsibility, however, they are the only ones who can do anything about it!!!

It's time for Vouchers or simply get rid of all public schools!!!

It's time for Vouchers or simply get rid of all public schools!!!

Vouchers suck ass.

Vouchers take money away from public schools.

Vouchers usually go to put kids into for-profit religious schools rather than non-profit public schools.

Rtards luff the vouchers cos they luff taking a jackhammer to the wall between church and state and because they hate public school teachers fer having the audacity to be unionized.

Be Well.

Vouchers help to level playing fields. They force competition on a gov't controlled system. The only reason this is not a good thing to some is because of the religious ties that they loathe. Well suck it up. If I have to pay for the GLBT cause you can pay for vouchers. And in the end, even those with vouchers pay for the gov't controlled system anyways. So put your vibrator back in and go back to E!.

Vouchers suck ass.

Vouchers take money away from public schools.

Vouchers usually go to put kids into for-profit religious schools rather than non-profit public schools.

Rtards luff the vouchers cos they luff taking a jackhammer to the wall between church and state and because they hate public school teachers fer having the audacity to be unionized.

Be Well.

#64 | Posted by dethspud

It's really revealing when a Lib foams at the mouth when faced with a losing reality about Socialism.

You say "Vouchers suck ass.", Ok, Why?

You say " Vouchers take money away from public schools."
Yes, bad Public schools. They give MORE money to GOOD public schools.

You say "Vouchers usually go to put kids into for-profit religious schools rather than non-profit public schools."
Yeah? So?? for-profit schools usually do much better and do a much better job, don't they?

I don't get your reasoning. We is educating kids bad and not educating them good? It just seems, well, backward to me.

BTW, is you have a steady source of cash that is not from a religious organization, you will not see too many of the schools be religious schools. They'll have cool names like the Eistein school of Science, etc.

For example, see the University system in our country. They are tuition based, but most are not religious.

you say "Rtards luff the vouchers cos they luff taking a jackhammer to the wall between church and state and because they hate public school teachers fer having the audacity to be unionized.?"

Uh no. The reality is that Libs "luff" breaking down religion in our country. Breaking (jackhammering) it apart every chance you get!

I don't think that parents hate the Teacher's Union. However, the Teachers' Union is responsible for killing the idea of the vouchers. Funny how Teachers in Colorado wanted the voucher system because it meant better schools!

More of "When liberals run the education system":

In the third grade I took my rifle to school for show-and-tell. Something has changed since 1958.

be cruel to your school
'cause you may never get another
be cruel to your school
in the name of rock and roll
be cruel to your school
just like a sister or a brother
be cruel to your school
in the name of rock and roll

#68 | Posted by Zatoichi

We had Hunters safety in school in the early 80's. The first Colt AR-15 I ever shot was in an empty lot behind the school in the sixth grade.

#70 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2010-02-05 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Definitely does NOT live in New York.

We had gun safety classes in Miami too. Sure, we used human targets: not "human shaped," but human, but we still learned how to safely kill a man from 200 yards.

I was top in my class in "Room Spraying with a Tommy Gun."

#71 | Posted by Zatoichi

Kitty Hawk Elementary, Kitty Hawk NC.

"Indoctrination Disguised as Education Reform"