ermmmm did he not get McCains memo?... hummm wonder how Sarah Palin is going to weigh in on this? She is the new republican decision maker...

Yes, he also thinks the military should change it uniforn color to pink, go figure.

Sounds like a plot to get more Republicans into the military.

What's next, gays in football!?

At least he learned, just one more thing from his misguided years working for Bush/Cheney and being treated like a "boy"

What's next, gays in football!?

#5 | Posted by member2586

It certainly would boost the ratings if the Democrats started showing an interest in Sports instead of entitlements.

I'm not surprised...I have always respected Colin Powell.

"Yes, he also thinks the military should change it uniforn color to pink, go figure.

#3 | Posted by member2586"

Member, just because someone is Gay doesn't mean you should automatically feel obliged to offer oral sex.

Member, just because someone is Gay doesn't mean you should automatically feel obliged to offer oral sex.

#9 | Posted by furio

Don't worry, Furryhole. There are plenty to go around. Your lip balm isn't going to go to waste.

I'm not surprised...I have always respected Colin Powell.

#8 | Posted by richardspirit

Do you respect him in the morning? Does this mean Colin Powell is gay too?

He does believe in attacking from the rear with overwhelming force!

Sounds like a good plan to me. I'm always in favor of acknowledging WHAT IS ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENING.

I have a son in the army, he told me the situation is no different in the army than in regular american public. Unless you are a Drag Queen or a Social worker, you keep your mouth shut about alternate sexualities. #1-it's nobody's business, #2-if you work in corporate america, being a flaming fag will get you run off fast, even now.

You're a Weak,Sleazy,Slimy FUCKIN Joke Powell!!!

if you work in corporate america, being a flaming fag will get you run off fast, even now.

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.

Okay, I have a serious question as to how this will be handled. First off, like Chris Rock says if gays wanna fight, then let 'em fight... cuz I ain't fighting.

But... how would they handle showers and bathrooms and whatnot? Seriously... what if the biggest baddest killing machine in your unit is also the biggest gay this side of the Mississippi? Isn't that gonna make things a little hard to get used to for the straight soldiers... or maybe even the gay ones?

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.

#14 | Posted by rcade

Puleeeeeeeze. Do you really think it works that way? They wouldn't fire you for saying you are gay, they would fire you for having a bad attitude or because you didn't follow the rules last year when you made that mistake.

They wouldn't fire you for saying you are gay, they would fire you for having a bad attitude or because you didn't follow the rules last year when you made that mistake.
#16 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL

Or carving waist high holes in the men's room stalls

Isn't that gonna make things a little hard to get used to for the straight soldiers... or maybe even the gay ones?

#15 | Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

I've got a better question for you. What about the ones that are already there and who are already doing all those things?

Do you percieve that something would be different if only we made it okay for them to be open about it?

Do you percieve that something would be different if only we made it okay for them to be open about it?

#18 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL

I don't know... what if the straight guys who are unaware have a problem with it?

What if the influx of gay Americans willing to serve changes the ratios?

I'm just saying I hope they're at least talking about this kind of stuff. You wouldn't throw a woman into a men's barracks right? On some level isn't it similar?

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued. -- #14 | Posted by rcade

On what grounds? To my knowledge, there are no legal protections for gay men and lesbians, unfortunately:

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.

#14 | Posted by rcade

The Federal Government also has a zero tolerance for discrimination or sexual harassment and they promote diversity. Try to "run off a fag" and you might find yourself in some very hot water as a Government employee.

The Federal Government also has a zero tolerance for discrimination or sexual harassment and they promote diversity. Try to "run off a fag" and you might find yourself in some very hot water as a Government employee.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy

Hell, try to run off ANY Goverment employee.

Hell, try to run off ANY Goverment employee.

So true!

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.

Only 21 states offer workplace protections for gay men and lesbians.

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.
#14 | Posted by rcade

Puleeeeeeeze. Do you really think it works that way? They wouldn't fire you for saying you are gay, they would fire you for having a bad attitude or because you didn't follow the rules last year when you made that mistake.
#16 | POSTED BY LIPZOIDIAL

Sadly Lippy is right.

We have a fairness ordinance here in Louisville, but its Louisville boundaries only protecting us homos from discrimination in housing and jobs.

My boss told me that he bleeds blue politically but most of the managers/directors/vps etc etc don't and that he doesn't care that I'm gay (We went to school together) but I should be careful about who knows.

He said I might not get fired for it, but it might make things more difficult for me to get promoted or hired into other areas in the future.

It's not that I run around yelling I'm gay, but I certainly don't deny talking about my partner. Thankfully the team I work on is (if not politically supportive) friendly and aren't offended when I do talk about things with my partner and I.

Imagine an officer falling "in love" with one of his troops.

Imagine him wanting to protect his lover from harm.

Imagine him giving special favors to his lover.

Imagine morale and all military discipline breaking down.

Imagine us losing wars to our enemies because we want to be so "politically correct".

The military is not a social organization. It is meant to kill people and break things and therefore needs to be a cohesive, disciplined unit of people working towards the end of winning a war.

Why break something that is not broken just to feel good about yourselves as "so tolerant" and not a homophobic. It has nothing to do with being a homophobe and everything about the effectiveness of our military as a killing machine.

Imagine... Imagine... Imagine... Imagine us losing wars to our enemies because we want to be so "politically correct".-- #26 | Posted by Kissntell

Well, you're starting with the right verb, anyway.

I take it you missed the discussion of the Israeli army on the other thread.

In my opinion Powell is a wussy.
Rather than expose the charlatan crooks in office when he was in office he chose to quit without blowing any whistles.
coward.

after being forced into anal sex from GWB and Cheney during the UN meetings, Powell loosened his hard line stance on fudge packers.

The military is not a social organization.

Yes, yes it is. They are people, not mindless killing robots.

Why break something that is not broken just to feel good about yourselves as "so tolerant" and not a homophobic. It has nothing to do with being a homophobe and everything about the effectiveness of our military as a killing machine.

Why did Truman desegregate the military, and have the results been positive, negative, or neutral?

Imagine an officer falling "in love" with one of his troops.

Imagine him wanting to protect his lover from harm.

Imagine him giving special favors to his lover.

Imagine morale and all military discipline breaking down.

Imagine us losing wars to our enemies because we want to be so "politically correct".

#26 | Posted by Kissntell

Its already happening with women in Combat Arms. This will only make it worse.

Why did Truman desegregate the military, and have the results been positive, negative, or neutral?

#30 | Posted by snoofy

Truman desegregated the military to open up a new pool of recruits for the ranks. The only thing that allowing gays to serve openly (not simply allow gays to serve, which they can) is recognize and permit indecent behavior by soldiers.

now maybe they can Accessorize those tacky uniforms.

he only thing that allowing gays to serve openly (not simply allow gays to serve, which they can) is recognize and permit indecent behavior by soldiers.

Indecent? Not sure what behavior you're referring to, but allowing gays to serve wouldn't necessarily permit any sort of behavior that isn't already permitted... all it does is allows a soldier to be truthful about a sexual orientation some are required to hide.

Allowing openly gay personnel to serve would send a message to the bulk of society that discrimination based on gender preference is an idea whose time has come and gone, just like segregation.

It's a great chance for the military to make a positive message that will have a strong impact inside the military and in the civilian world too.

Imagine an officer falling "in love" with one of his troops.
Imagine him wanting to protect his lover from harm.
Imagine him giving special favors to his lover.
Imagine morale and all military discipline breaking down.
Imagine us losing wars to our enemies because we want to be so "politically correct".
The military is not a social organization. It is meant to kill people and break things and therefore needs to be a cohesive, disciplined unit of people working towards the end of winning a war.
Why break something that is not broken just to feel good about yourselves as "so tolerant" and not a homophobic. It has nothing to do with being a homophobe and everything about the effectiveness of our military as a killing machine.

#26 | POSTED BY KISSNTELL

Oooooh. You're totally right. Cause women don't serve and fall in love with their fellow troops or senior officers. Man... what were we thinking!?!!

Sheesh, I'm so glad you cleared that up.... dumb ass.

Imagine morale and all military discipline breaking down.

#26 | POSTED BY KISSNTELL

Yeah, that never happens now.[$1.99 sarcasm flag]

Sharon Mixon was a staff sergeant, and a highly decorated combat medic during Operation Desert Storm. She was in Saudi Arabia, and about to come home, when she says she was drugged and gang-raped.
"I woke up face down on a cot. I was being held down. And there were six men taking turns raping me," recalls Mixon. "They were U.S. soldiers, and they told me that if I told anybody that they would kill me. But I went and told the MPs anyway. And they told me the same thing."

"They kind of laughed and said, 'Well, what did you expect, being a female in combat? And we will always know where to find you. And if you open your mouth, you know what's gonna happen,'" adds Mixon, who kept quiet for more than 10 years.

Mixon continued her military career until she said she began having flashbacks and was hospitalized for post-traumatic stress disorder. She has actively lobbied Congress on behalf of military rape victims.

we have to remember that in the military whether gay or straight there is still the whole no fratenization rule. it does'nt matter if there are gays or not everyone is still protected from harassment under that one rule. i'm not saying i support the repeal because i don't and i have nothing against gays i just believe that the military can't work without order and saying yes it's ok to be openly gay will lead to a less focused military. i think we should focus on what matters, training men and women to protect the united states of america. nothing else should matter especially in a time of war.

Amazing, all the love and compassion and forgiveness for Powell. The poor little 'house boy' who wuz jes following orders.

I'm sure that if W., Cheney, Gonzalez, Ridge, Ashcroft...... were to come forth and drink of the Liberal Fountain of Hate Water ... you'd be equally charitable, loving, forgiving.

Of course we all know that you would circle like a bunch of vultures. Not caring about the truth, or honesty ... certainly not caring about contrition and forgiveness.

Buzzards only care about carrion -- feasting on death

i'm not saying i support the repeal because i don't and i have nothing against gays i just believe that the military can't work without order and saying yes it's ok to be openly gay will lead to a less focused military.

That's pretty much the same argument used to prevent blacks from serving their country.

It was wrong then.

It's wrong now.

Be Well.

/KK, 'nuff blog-fun fer the spuddish one.
//Exiting Rcade's Deliriously Ridiculous Drudge Retort
stage left.

Imagine an officer falling "in love" with one of his troops.

Imagine him wanting to protect his lover from harm.

Imagine him giving special favors to his lover.

Imagine morale and all military discipline breaking down.

Imagine us losing wars to our enemies because we want to be so "politically correct".

The military is not a social organization. It is meant to kill people and break things and therefore needs to be a cohesive, disciplined unit of people working towards the end of winning a war.

Why break something that is not broken just to feel good about yourselves as "so tolerant" and not a homophobic. It has nothing to do with being a homophobe and everything about the effectiveness of our military as a killing machine.

#25 | Posted by Kissntell at 2010-02-03 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

My ship was one of the earliest Combatants to have women. I was there for the transition. I guess we can use every example you gave above and apply it to the same situation.

How does Powell feel about section 652 if he agrees with changing section 654?

To watch the Fox-Republicans try to wriggle out of this Mess is Priceless!!!!!! For 8 Years these Fucking Clowns was lecturing the Country on the need to listen at all cost to the Military leaders, because they knew what was best for the military now they all seem to be speaking a different tune. DOES THE FUCKING WORK "HYPROCRIT", fit the Fox-Republicans, or what?????

i just believe that the military can't work without order and saying yes it's ok to be openly gay will lead to a less focused military

That's fine that you have beliefs but it's important to look at the facts too.

Israel made the decision to allow openly gay people into the IDF, and their experience has been a good one.

i just believe that the military can't work without order and saying yes it's ok to be openly gay will lead to a less focused military

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.

Corporations should have every right to fire gays.
There are corps that have no druge use policies and a few have no smoking to cuts healthcare costs and a safer work environment.

Gay get HIV at a higher rate than straight people. It would be ideal to fire irresponsible gays that have unprotected sex. Perhaps HR should investigate their behavior and fire a few to scare them

"Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued."

Good God, this poster is stupid. It's legal to fire people for being gay in over half the US...31 states.

"It would be ideal to fire irresponsible gays that have unprotected sex."

And I'm betting you've applied to be on the investigatory committee.

To watch the Fox-Republicans try to wriggle out of this Mess is Priceless!!!!!! For 8 Years these Fucking Clowns was lecturing the Country on the need to listen at all cost to the Military leaders, because they knew what was best for the military now they all seem to be speaking a different tune. DOES THE FUCKING WORK "HYPROCRIT", fit the Fox-Republicans, or what?????

#41 | Posted by celisary

Mullen and Powell are both guys who eat oysters for lunch. There is a very good chance that both of them are either gay militants that infiltrated the army or collaborators.

It's legal to fire people for being gay in over half the US...31 states.

homosexuals are not a protected class in 31 states?

"homosexuals are not a protected class in 31 states?"

No.

I was as stunned as you.

"It would be ideal to fire irresponsible gays that have unprotected sex."

And I'm betting you've applied to be on the investigatory committee.

#45 | Posted by Danforth

Nope I don't work in HR but I wouldn't want to work with someone who was gay. When I was at ML I knew a few gay people on my floor. When there was cake or free food I always made sure to eat first so I didn't get any viruses

"Twelve states, many local governments, and hundreds of large corporations, schools, and universities ban discrimination based on sexual orientation. Even with those state and local laws, however, only a small percentage of workers are protected against workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation. Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of workers receive no protection from state or local laws."

It's legal to fire people for having more than one wife and peeing on each other, too. OMG, stunning.

Israel made the decision to allow openly gay people into the IDF, and their experience has been a good one.

#42 | Posted by snoofy

Aren't orthodox jews exempted from serving. I am sure id orthodox jews were a large portion of the army, Israel would have problems. The fact is that the military has recruiting issues and this could cause issues

Shouldn't that be "Colon Pow"!

OK, OK, OK, I have always known it was improper to describe marxists as retards ( sorry Sarah ), I will use the description Mentally Challenged from now on, gees I'm feeling warm and fuzzy already.

What's next, gays in football!?
#4 | Posted by member2586

....football is a completely homosexual activity enjoyed only by gays and subliminated homosexuals......

.....they wear tight pants to expose their butts, quaterback puts his hand up into the center's genitals, it's restricted to men only, who shower together after a game........

.....you couldn't be more queer if you danced in the ballet........

......I mean what kind a position is a "tight end" anyways.......

"you couldn't be more queer if you danced in the ballet"

Surrounded by hot, young, healthy, in-shape, flexible women in tight clothing?
And getting PAID for it?

Sounds like a straight man's paradise to me.

Any company that fired an employee for saying that he's gay would be sued.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2010-02-03 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag
Gay in an "at will" state is not a "protected" class...yet, so suing is not the same as winning the suit,

If you told the navy recruiter that you were a leasbian in a mans body, could you be a wave?

"Some big, tough farmboy from the Midwest joins the Army, goes through basic training, gets chewed up, spit out, and molded into the perfect killing machine ready to run into a hail of bullets at the drop of a hat ... BUT, confront him with the possibility that he just might have to share living space with someone who is Gay, and he just falls to pieces. Go figure"

a interesting quote I ran across!

The fact is that the military has recruiting issues and this could cause issues

That's a two-way street. The gay ban kept me from seriously considering the military. I realized I didn't want to be part of an organization that forces people to lie about who they are.

Of course I was young and idealistic then...

The fact is that the military has recruiting issues and this could cause issues

That's a two-way street. The gay ban kept me from seriously considering the military. I realized I didn't want to be part of an organization that forces people to lie about who they are.

Of course I was young and idealistic then...

#60 | Posted by snoofy

Maybe they were lucky. Perhaps you would have stayed in the military and turned your gun on American soldiers at Fort Hood

Perhaps you would have stayed in the military and turned your gun on American soldiers at Fort Hood

Leave treason to the professionals... members of rightwing militias.

....football is a completely homosexual activity enjoyed only by gays and subliminated homosexuals

really so every high school kid who plays football is gay. Wait a minute those 10 year old kids in pee wee play football are gay too

Perhaps you would have stayed in the military and turned your gun on American soldiers at Fort Hood

Leave treason to the professionals... members of rightwing militias.

#62 | Posted by ZombieHunter

or guys like Bill Ayers who started Obama's political career or Jeff Jones who helped writethe stimulus package

Father has spoken.

Surrounded by hot, young, healthy, in-shape, flexible women in tight clothing?
And getting PAID for it?

Sounds like a straight man's paradise to me.

#56 | Posted by TheTom

....what would a Republican know about straight men ?........

.....besides.....those cheerleaders are just yelling loud so the other lesbian cheerleading squad on the other side of the field can hear them........

Making homosexuals a protected class is discriminatory if the same is not done for polygomy and the watersport folks. Where is their "voice". Aren't they born that way too?

"or guys like Bill Ayers who started Obama's political career or Jeff Jones who helped writethe stimulus package"

or the asshole that believes the above!

Making homosexuals a protected class is discriminatory if the same is not done for polygomy and the watersport folks. Where is their "voice". Aren't they born that way too?

Mormons and Windsurfers are "born that way"?

O rly?

Wow, Spud is learning tons this morning.

The intrawebs is a boundless educational experience!

Be Well.

"or guys like Bill Ayers who started Obama's political career or Jeff Jones who helped writethe stimulus package"

or the asshole that believes the above!

#68 | Posted by VMA224

SOn it is no secret Jeff Jones helped write the stimulus package. Henry Reis in fact thanked him on the floor of the Senate. I guess it is just a coincidence that Obama started his political career at Bil Ayers house and now decades later the other founder of the Weather Underground is involved in politics now that Obama is President

"or guys like Bill Ayers who started Obama's political career or Jeff Jones who helped writethe stimulus package"

or the asshole that believes the above!

#68 | Posted by VMA224

SOn it is no secret Jeff Jones helped write the stimulus package. Henry Reis in fact thanked him on the floor of the Senate. I guess it is just a coincidence that Obama started his political career at Bil Ayers house and now decades later the other founder of the Weather Underground is involved in politics now that Obama is President

Mormons and Windsurfers are "born that way"?

#69 | Posted by dethspud

By liberal logic, why yes. Pretty much any yearnin you have you are born with, so there's not really free will. Please go beyond stupid liberal, level one, anything goes, just rationalize it later thinking. It has make our nation retarded :+)