Billions spent on GM and Chrysler. Now, Toyota is having big problems.

When did Dick Cheney get into the car business?

I don't doubt that there are legitimate problems with these Toyotas, but you have to wonder whether the CPSC or other US agencies leaned on them to do the recall or are otherwise attempting to make Toyota (a competitor to GM) look bad. Statements like these are also suspect.

Again, the accelerator problems are serious - but when the government owns a car company, the actions they take toward competing private companies are going to raise questions. This will be an issue until the government buts out of the private sector (if they ever do).

Interesting point, Joe. Makes you wonder if they would down play the situation had it been a GM vehicle with this same problem.

Right. And my point is that even if they would treat the situation the same, we can never be sure and there will always be questions.

its the Unions Fault

Sincerely

The Clueless "right"

WAAAAH>>>>
The news about Toyota's problems keep growing. I'm so happy, I can shit myself....!

The oh so great, never a problem, Japanese crapmaker, old lady, ugly looking shit that clogs our roads, is in the dumps.... I love it!

Funny how the Japanese limit US auto sales in Japan to only...2000 vehicles per year, mandated.

Now if only the lawn mower company, Honda, would crap out as well...

Gas pedal problems...."serious"? as Joe (Toyota ass-kisser) declares?

Yeeaaah-Duh. There are only 4 functioning operator instruments: Gas, brakes, transmissions and steering wheels. Ya think a gas pedal is a problem??? moron...

Oh shit, the roads are slick and my pedal's stuck!

--RedNeckVille, hopefully soon

"Again, the accelerator problems are serious but"

YEAH!

This is the Thread where a Committed WingDing No Longer Thinks the Government Should Keep you Safe.

Unsubstantiated Claims of WMD that can't be delivered to an American target ----- the "right" demands the government spend Trillions to keep them safe from it.
Never met a Terrorists or even a Muslim let alone be a victim of Terror ---- the "right" demands the government spend Trillions to keep them safe from it.

A potentially fatal problem in 2.3 Million cars on American Roads TODAY that's already killed ----- the "right" sees a democrat government "Conspiracy"!

What a Narrative you dips got Going!

I'm sure the lefty Toyota owners will be piling them up like cord wood and looking for easy money in Court.

"Again, the accelerator problems are serious - but when the government owns a car company, the actions they take toward competing private companies are going to raise questions."

The Japanese government has been a virtual partner to their auto makers for decades. The Chinese government is a virtual partner for all their industries. If someone in our government is letting the attention on Toyota harm their dominance of the US car market then good, it's about time our government realized we are in a trade war.

Joe:

"A potentially fatal problem in 2.3 Million cars on American Roads"

If you are an idiot.
Show of hands how many people have had a pedal stick?
I have had it happen in multiple cars and has never once been a problem. I guess it is just a new form of Darwinism, weed out the weak, kill those that can't drive.

I thought they drove themselves?

are otherwise attempting to make Toyota (a competitor to GM) look bad

In fact the government killed these people to drive home the point.

I guess it is just a new form of Darwinism, weed out the weak, kill those that can't drive.

Yeah!

Like this guy who never had high speed driving training....

Last October, four people died near San Diego due to a stuck Toyota accelerator pedal. They were a California Highway Patrol officer and his family of three

Cops never get training on how to drive, especially the highway patrol.

I think Toyota did this to itself; three major incidents in such a short time frame affecting hundreds of thousands of vehicles points to a systemic or cultural problem within the company.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm saying that the question of whether GM would be treated the same will always be out there due to the government's inherent conflict of interest.

In fact the government killed these people to drive home the point.

You're a moron. I said the accelerator problems are real. I also said there is a conflict of interest when a guy like Ray LaHood comes out and tells the nation not to drive Toyotas when the entity he works for owns a competitor to Toyota. If you don't see that, then you're in Skidmarkville yourself.

Ray LaHood comes out and tells the nation not to drive Toyotas when the entity he works for owns a competitor to Toyota

As if Ray LaHood has nothing better to work on than driving down the profit at a "competitor" to GM.

Idiotic claims like your's is why people laugh at you.

"Cops never get training on how to drive, especially the highway patrol."

Was there or was there not a simple solution?
Its neutral and brake or car off and brake(remembering steering wheel lockout.)
If i could do it at sixteen then there is no excuse except for stupidity.

I didn't say that's what Ray LaHood was doing. I said the potential will always be there, and it's a question I'd rather not exist in our country. You're either too dumb to see the difference, or are pretending not to (i.e. trolling).

Stop buying thoes Jap jobs!!!! Buy from Government Motors.

The Transportation Secretary did an an-hoc press conference to "clarify" his comments, and said that anyone driving any of those models should take them to the Toyota dealer. But it's not the dealers set up to fix them--that's not where they're being fixed. If you have questions, you're supposed to call the toll-free number, not show up en masse at Toyota dealerships. This will result in even more confusion.

Either he is woefully ignorant as to what is going on in his own agency, or he's doing his best to keep Toyota scrambling, to the benefit of Ford and GM.

Either he is woefully ignorant as to what is going on in his own agency, or he's doing his best to keep Toyota scrambling, to the benefit of Ford and GM.

#23 | Posted by rightisright

I'll go with door #1. Look who he reports to.

"I don't disagree with any of that. I'm saying that the question of whether GM would be treated the same will always be out there due to the government's inherent conflict of interest."

Interesting question, because I don't think the NHTSA does nearly enough to protect consumers after the sale. Car companies often do things to shave a few cents here and a few cents there off their costs for a car, and sometimes that penny-pinching affects reliability. That sometimes doesn't seem like a big deal to people, but if a car strands someone in a dangerous place (like your daughter breaking down on her way home from work in a ghetto area, or a woman in her third trimester being standed beside the freeway on a 95-degree day), it can be serious.

There's also the question of economic peril resulting from these situations. A young person with a modest disposable income may be hugely affected if a bad transmission design renders the car inoperable, and the car company won't accept responsibility for its poor practices. If the kid can't afford to repair Brand X's mistake out-of-pocket, he could lose his job for lack of transportation, could lose his credit for lack of the job, could lose his apartment or have trouble getting another for lack of credit.

I don't think enough is being done about stuff like this for any carmaker. Cars cost one hell of a lot of money these days, and I think consumers have a right to expect that their vehicles have been designed and manufactured according to "best practice" principles (consistent with price class; the consumer does have to accept that a Kia ain't the same as a BMW) instead of the "take the money and run" ethic of recent years. Carmakers need to put more money into the testing process, and they need to come up with programs to ensure that A) they're not asking too much of suppliers and B) suppliers are delivering the quality needed.

He was lucky there were no business reporters asking him questions. They would have ripped him a new one.

"Do you believe that as an owner of General Motors, you might have a conflict of interest?"

"Are you unaware that Toyota has set up a call center, with detailed instructions on which models are to be fixed, and where, and how? And that having the owner drive to the nearest dealership will only cause a lot of confusion, and perhaps safety and security issues?"

Etc.

He was lucky there were no business reporters asking him questions. They would have ripped him a new one.

That's assuming that anyone in the press has the balls to ask those questions of an Obama appointee. They probably were there and just nodded and took notes.

"A potentially fatal problem in 2.3 Million cars on American Roads TODAY that's already killed ----- the "right" sees a democrat government "Conspiracy"!"

If Bush was out there saying it you would think the same thing. Government involvment/ownership in the industry doesn't make this scenario implausible. It is the problem with socialism.

"Why don't these Toyotas dalready have a brake override system. I have heard Honda has them. "

Because you could no longer powerbrake, oh wait toyota and honda, never mind.

Government involvment

Just how many people does the government have working at GM?

Lahood meant to say stop buying them but got confused, like most of the morons in the Cabinet.

Realize that some of these conspiracy theories are being suggested by folks who never questioned the no-bid contracts awarded to Haliburton.

OMG! The government is being unfair to a Japanese auto maker and we all know that the Japanese government has always been so fair to American auto makers. The horror.

Just how many people does the government have working at GM?

#30 | Posted by 726 at 2010-02-03 01:21 PM

Which other governments across the globe would you prefer the US emulate, Danni?

Sudan?

North Korea?

U.S. official backtracks on Toyota comments

I think the DR headline needs to be changed to reflect the fact that the Transportaion Secrtary "clarified" his "mistatement" after the damage was done of course.

Sounds like Toyota's CEO, Mitch McConnell of Toyota/Kentucky, and the Japanese government could give a rat's ass about American consumers....

Just sayin... Doesn't the state of Kentucky have a vested interest in Toyota. Oh, I forgot, only federal government involvement matters.

Aren't there many US STATES that have FOREIGN involvement such as Germany, Korea and Japan, and aren't most of those factories in Republican states?

No, that can't be. Republicans are not TRAITORS to the American public or the American economy...
NO WAY!

"Which other governments across the globe would you prefer the US emulate, Danni?"

Er...duh....we could just be fair to countries like China, Japan, S. Korea, India....we could treat them exactly as they treat us.
Can't have that....no "America last" is the motto for international corporations today.

its the Unions Fault

Sincerely

The Clueless "right"

#5 | Posted by Redneckville

I don't know if unions are involved, but Ford uses the same pedal assembly supplier and they shut down production in CHINA. That story didn't get much coverage by the dick sucking media.

I'm sure the lefty Toyota owners will be piling them up like cord wood and looking for easy money in Court.

#10 | Posted by wisgod

Don't tell them I told you, but there is apparenlty a problem with the brake pedals in the Prius. But let's not tell those green conscious Libs about it, ok?

"I don't know if unions are involved, but Ford uses the same pedal assembly supplier and they shut down production in CHINA."

Funny thing, I heard all about it last week.
It made me smile. Any time an American manufacturer shuts down in China it's a good thing.

Lahood is saying his statement was misunderstood. What he says he meant is go get them fixed as soon as possible. He did not mean to sound as if he was saying they shouldn't be on the road.

Funny thing, I heard all about it last week.
It made me smile. Any time an American manufacturer shuts down in China it's a good thing.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2010-02-03 02:35 PM

"Lahood is saying his statement was misunderstood. What he says he meant is go get them fixed as soon as possible. He did not mean to sound as if he was saying they shouldn't be on the road."

Why is it that someone from this administration or Congressional leadership has to apologize practically every day for being "misunderstood?" Obama steps in it. Biden steps in it. Reid is constantly stepping in it. Now it's this Mensa reject. Obama and Co. would do a lot better if they could just shut the fuck up.

"Why is it that someone from this administration or Congressional leadership has to apologize practically every day for being "misunderstood?" "

Because they're willing to pander to mouth-breathers.

Billions spent on GM and Chrysler. Now, Toyota is having big problems.

When did Dick Cheney get into the car business?

#1 | Posted by Ron_Karate

Why? Did Toyota get shot in the face?

Thankfully Toyota can now spend as much money as it wants slamming whichever politicians it feels fit and elect Toyota friendly politicians. Thank you SCOTUS!

Mine goes in Monday at the local dealership to fix it. There are actually 2 separate recalls which is what is causing much of the confusion at the local level.

Thankfully Toyota can now spend as much money as it wants slamming whichever politicians it feels fit and elect Toyota friendly politicians. Thank you SCOTUS!

You're a fucknut. Actually reading the opinion may actually do you good, but I doubt it. The recent opinion made it very clear that there is no change to what foreign companies can do. Obama, the ignorant ass that he is, flat out lied during the SOTU speech. Try reading instead of slurping up liberal talking points. There remains in place statutes preventing contributions from foreign corporations.

Is "Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. an American registered corporation?

A mechanic told me that some Toyota's lock in gear and can not be shifted into neutral over like 3 thousand RPM. On my!

Car and driver has a write up of this problem in the most recent issue. Even with full throttle, the cars will stop with full braking, just adds like 20% to minimum distance.

One problem to note; If you have keyless ignition, Toy's start button must be held down for over 3 seconds to cut off the engine......

Yes it is American Corp, and the law suits will be flying. Evidently the problem occurs in europe too.....

The next time I'm behind some douche bag with an Obama bumper sticker, I believr the gas pedal on my 2009 Camry is going to stick. I damn nearly guarantee it.

is this a plot to get people to buy a Chevy?

I own three Chevys and a Nissan. Which one do I like the most? All three Chevys. Fuck Toyota and Nissan.

I have ever only owned American cars. Of those all have been Chevys except for the Jeeps. They all have been very dependable and given me mucho milage and poco trouble.

Since when is it controversial to be told to stop using a recalled product?

What's the next scandal, when the Secretary of Agriculture says don't eat the recalled e.coli tainted ground beef?

This is a manufactured "crisis" by the "Obama is against business" business propaganda machine.

The next time I'm behind some douche bag with an Obama bumper sticker, I believr the gas pedal on my 2009 Camry is going to stick. I damn nearly guarantee it.

Such a patriot you didn't buy American, eh? Why am I not surprised?

The next time I'm behind some douche bag with an Obama bumper sticker, I believr the gas pedal on my 2009 Camry is going to stick. I damn nearly guarantee it.

And my top notch attorney would sue your ass the next day and win big time. Your insurance would go up exponentially, and you'd probably do time for aggravated assault it you dared mention to the cop on the scene why you did it.

Why'd they make 'W' stickers so small? Embarrassed?

"The next time I'm behind some douche bag with an Obama bumper sticker, I believr the gas pedal on my 2009 Camry is going to stick. I damn nearly guarantee it."

Good chance a clever attorney could find that post of yours and make you seriously regret ever posting it. Somehow I do hope you accidentally rear end someone with an Obama sticker, that would be poetic justice.

HEY I just thought of this on the other thread

what dont lahood and obama
DRIVE TO VEGAS in a toyota????

hope you accidentally rear end someone with an Obama sticker, that would be poetic justice.

okay so being just a redneck from texas who lives in a trailor park and who likes his cousin..
how is this poetic justice........

HEY i just thought of something else

why don't you fuck off and CHOKE yourself

and heres another thought that JUST came to me...

_______________ ___________________

_______________ __________________

read between the lines dickface

My sister is an RN with two children and now a single mom. She recently purchased a Toyota Camry for it's known reliability as she needs to get back and forth to the Hospital....

.......and now I read here that some want to see her crash? WTF!?!

Perhaps she'll be coming into work to help save your sorry ass when it happens.

Good chance a clever attorney could find that post of yours and make you seriously regret ever posting it.

Yeah, all auto accident attorneys tend to subpoena the defendant's IP address for political blog postings.

Good chance a clever attorney could find that post of yours and make you seriously regret ever posting it. Somehow I do hope you accidentally rear end someone with an Obama sticker, that would be poetic justice.

#60 | Posted by danni

I'm glad so many believe everything I post. It's no god damned wonder you fools need the Federal Goverment to protect and tell you what to think. jeesh.

And my top notch attorney would sue your ass the next day and win big time.
Posted by AMERICANUNITY

It that the guy who emailed you the Lake Michigan Ice Berg photos?

It's no god damned wonder you fools need the Federal Goverment to protect and tell you what to think.

Wait, are you saying Al Qaeda isn't actually a threat after all?

Wait, are you saying Al Qaeda isn't actually a threat after all?

#69 | Posted by snoofy

I was thinking more like them telling the flock about another Great Depression unless we piddled away $783B.

The next time I'm behind some douche bag with an Obama bumper sticker, I believr the gas pedal on my 2009 Camry is going to stick. I damn nearly guarantee it.

#53 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2010-02-03 06:58 PM

Partisanship aggression towards other Americans noted.

Partisanship aggression towards other Americans noted.

#71 | Posted by woke

To bad #67 wasn't, you old fool.

Wake up, Woke -

Chrysler isn't owned by Daimler any more; it's owned by a company called Cerberus Capital Management, an American private equity firm. Daimler only holds a minority stake in Chrysler since the sale, less than 20%, which it is in the process of giving up (as in, "as fast as it possibly can").

Have yew done ever heard about this new Innernet thang called Google?

My new Toyota Sienna was made in Princeton Indiana, by Americans.

Wonder if "some folks" know their Chevy or Ford wasn't necesarily (or all of it) made in the USA?

The answer might be as simple as where the models are built. For this particular index, Cars.com surveyed the country's 58 best-selling models through May 31 of this year. Of the 30 trucks, vans and SUVs in that group, 23 are assembled in the U.S. (though not always exclusively; some models are assembled both in plants here and in other countries), but just half of the cars on the list 14 of 28 are built here.

The Vibe and the Matrix were the product of a joint venture between GM and Toymotor not a CC of either (See Geo). These cars were both produced by the UAW at the Fresno CA plant (see NUMMI, see also Local 2244).

My point being - why is Ray LaHood not calling for everyone driving the "american" version to stop immediately, but for the "japanese" version its different?

Is the UAW worker gluing on the Toymotor emblem smarter than the one attaching the Pontiac emblem (Of course the latter is no longer in existence as it was discontinued Aug 09)

Wake up, Woke -
Chrysler isn't owned by Daimler any more; it's owned by a company called Cerberus Capital Management, an American private equity firm. Daimler only holds a minority stake in Chrysler since the sale, less than 20%, which it is in the process of giving up (as in, "as fast as it possibly can").
Have yew done ever heard about this new Innernet thang called Google?

#74 | POSTED BY MARYTYLERWHORE AT 2010-02-04 02:11 PM

Why yes, Mr. Smartass, I have. Have you? Is FIAT an American company? I didn't know that.

The deal announced this week not only gives Italy's Fiat S.p.A. a flexible stake in Chrysler, but turns the ultimate control of the automaker into the financial equivalent of a five lane roundabout.

Chrysler is nominally controlled by Cerberus Capital Management, which acquired an 80.1% stake in the company from Daimler AG in August, 2007. Fiat will get 35% of Chrysler under terms of the yet-to be finalized deal. The terms also grant Fiat the option of raising its stake to 55%.

Cerberus is already slated for dilution under the terms of the government bridge loan, agreed to in December. The bridge loan gives the U.S Treasury warrants to purchase 5% to 15% of the Chrysler shares now in the hands of Cerberus.

Fiat will eat further into the Cerberus stake, and it also has the option of tapping into Daimler AG's remaining stake in Chrysler as a way to build its stake to 55%, according to Rebecca Lindland of the consulting firm of Global Insight.

And btw MTW,

My post was to someone indicating they had ALWAYS bought American automobiles. If Chrysler was owned by Daimler since 1998 and that person bought one between then and when it was "bailed out", then they didn't buy American, eh?

Your quick response and attempt to show how smart you were backfired on you since the time frame I was speaking of was BEFORE your noted buyout by an equity firm.

See how logic works? Try it sometime.

"See how logic works?"

Not your brand of it, dearie.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Which brand would that be....the brand that makes sense?

What? You don't have the ability to see the flaws in the logic of your smartass response to me? That my post was in regard to a poster claiming he had always bought an American vehicle and that if he bought a Jeep after 1998, that might not have been the case?

Ok, then.

You're both fucking douchebags, but Woke gets his ass handed to him once again.

So what is your problem MTW?

Is it:

a. don't like to be corrected, though your logic was faulty

b. cannot understand the logic of my post nor my correction of yours

c. don't like the same kind of smartass responses you give to others

d. all of the above

woke,

Wtf are you arguing?

woke,

Wtf are you arguing?

I think he is hoping that SamIam/Coconservative will show up and provide an antagonist view-point for him to argue against.

For the logically challenged

1. A poster claimed he had always only bought American vehicles, chevys and jeeps.

2. I posted links showing that in 98 Jeep and Chrysler were purchased by a German company.

3. MTW made a smartass comment on a post correcting me that Chrysler was owned by an American company.

4. I corrected that 1. Chrysler was purchased mostly by FIAT, an Italian company and that depending on when the poster purchased his Jeep, it may have been a German company, and that MTW missed the point of the post in eagerness to "set me straight".

5. MTW is unable to understand the logic of that.

6. All the other DR syncophants jump into the fray, also unable to follow logic and prefer to denigrate and spew insults instead.

Jeep Owned by Chrysler?

Yes, and Chrysler is owned by Daimler-Chrysler.

They werenn't when my jeeps were made. As I said, I've never owned anything but American cars.

Which would you rather have?

American's making money from their jobs assembling cars in America for foreighn companies or US Companies importing their cars?

This isn't a gotcha question. Just a simple poll....and yes I do realize that all US cars aren't made in Mexico just like all Toyotas..etc aren't made here.

What say you?

* foreign

87

I guess I could have played gotcha by asking when you purchased which cars and what they were.

Any Jeep purchased after 98 and before 2007 were made by a German company. That American company only owned Chrysler until 2009, 2 years.

And some Chevys were made as a whole or in part in other countries for several decades.

No?

What say you?

I want ALL auto-manufacturers to produce the highest-quality product at the lowest competitive-price. I want THEM to figure out where geographically is optimal to manufacture toward that end.

My hope is that the US would prove to be the optimal place to build these cars - but that is on the US...WE need to create an environment that entices manufacturing to gravitate HERE as the optimal place on the globe to produce a product.

fyi from the link in post # 75 cars.com

Globalized production, of course, also means that a number of popular models already aren't as homegrown as you might think. Take cars like the Ford Mustang, Chevy Impala and Chrysler 300: The Michigan-built Mustang has a disappointing 65 percent domestic-parts content rating, while the 300 and Impala are built in Canada. What's more, America's beloved retro hatchbacks, the Chevy HHR and soon-to-be-discontinued Chrysler PT Cruiser, are built in Mexico. The pint-sized Chevy Aveo is built in South Korea.

Not that import automakers fare any better: Hyundai's Alabama-built 2009 Sonata has just 43 percent domestic content, while the Ohio-built Honda CR-V comes in at just 10 percent. That portrait of urban frugality, the Toyota Prius? It's imported from Japan and so are suburbanite favorites like the Nissan Murano and Toyota RAV4.

Editor's note: In today's global economy, there's no easy way to determine just how American a car is. Many cars built in the U.S., for example, are assembled using parts that come from somewhere else. Some cars assembled in the U.S. from strictly American-made parts don't sell very well, meaning that fewer Americans are building those models. Cars.com's American-Made Index highlights the cars that are built here, have the highest percentage of domestic parts, and are bought in the largest numbers by Americans.

There are a few options for determining a car's domestic-parts content. We went with the figure that appears alongside the window sticker of new cars as a result of the American Automobile Labeling Act, enacted in 1994. The AALA mandates that virtually every new car display the percentage, by cost, of its parts that originated in the U.S. and Canada. We deemed cars with a domestic-parts content rating of 75 percent or higher eligible for the index.

And some Chevys were made as a whole or in part in other countries for several decades.

That is true of every vehicle made on this planet.

woke,
get over it you bitch. MTW corrected you. End of story. You were wrong. There is no need for you to attempt to re-write what happened. It's right above us, and anyone that read it knows you were wrong and have acted like a fucking baby since then.

I don't know how many times you need to be told this, but you're a retard.

It is you who doesn't like to admit he is wrong. You never have, no matter how many times you get your ass handed to you, woke.

#95 | Posted by goatman

He has alittle of Moder8 in him.

94

Having trouble keeping up sonny?

Stick to denigrating triple amputee war vets, it's what you are "good" at......and what you are known for:

I'd use Cleland as a kickball.
#216 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2009-11-05 11:47 AM

Uhhhhg! Cleland's one arm is causing him to hook horribly to the right, and I can't seem to pick up the seven-ten split.
#346 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2009-11-05 02:53 PM

Unfortunately a bunch of libs won't care how american a car is unless it is a "union made" car. That is all many of them really care about

And that half that Union made car is paid for by the greedy fat cats making $250K or more.

Having trouble keeping up sonny?

#97 | Posted by woke at 2010-02-04 03:39 PM | Reply

No, not at all. What part of you being wrong, and you being corrected by MTW do you need further explanation on?

Do you find it odd that you are trying to deflect the asskicking she gave you? Unlike Max Cleland, she was able to stick both her feet up your retarded ass.

He has alittle of Moder8 in him.

And a lot of stupid

It's all good for me cause people who can comprehend and reason can easily see who is who and what is what with this discussion, by reading the thread, eh?

#104 | Posted by woke at 2010-02-04 03:48 PM | Reply

Yes they can, which makes your whining and crying even funnier. Goat, MTW, me, and anyone else reading this thread can clearly see you were corrected by MTW and have been soiling your Depends ever since.

You're a retard.

Does the phrase " wasn't NECESSARILY" or "all of it" mean anything to you?

Yes. But it means nothing regarding my original statement. You lose joke. Admit it. Once again you got your ass kicked all over this blog and like an idiot you keep coming back for more. Any more ass kicking you'll be looking like your pal Max -- or worse. At least he quit when he had one limb left

103

Read the info in post#75, 77, 92 and answer the question for yourself about your JEEP.

Then, go back and check your Chevys and see how many of the parts were "MADE" elsewhere and merely ASSEMBLED in the USA.

Jebus, help these poor pathetic challenged souls learn to read, comprehend, then use logic to determine what is being posted to them.

I just love the arrogance of JEEP owners....it's a JEEP thing, you wouldn't understand, eh?

LMFAO

I've been driving Dodge, Fords and lately a KIA on the beaches at Galveston and Corpus Christi and Cape Hatteras for over 40 years.....so we have that in common.

Where is that one parked?

I'll say one thing in Woke's defense. He doesn't start calling for Rcade to bounce the person who makes him look foolish.

Uh, you do understand that in your correction of me, you used the word "MADE", not ASSEMBLED?

Of course, maybe all your JEEPs were "made" BEFORE 1998 and your Chevys BEFORE parts were MADE in other countries, eh?

Guess you didn't get in on that Cash for CLUNKERS deal.

LMFAO

"Care to point out ANY post here that made me look foolish?"

Just the ones that contain" Posted by woke"

The point was that if none of your jeeps or chevys had any foreign parts "made" in them, they would be pretty damned old, not a cudo for Cash for Clunkers.....

Was all your jeeps made before 98?

Were all your chevys made before gm began using foreign parts?

Do you even know?

Or is this all about just denigrating a triple amputee, decorated war vet cause you are so fkd up?

I'd say the latter, eh?

Was all your jeeps made before 98?

You tell me. YOu seem to know more about them than I. LOL

Were all your chevys made before gm began using foreign parts?

Who cares? Did I say I owned American cars or 100% American made cars? Last I checked GM is an American company (albeit owned by your messiah). You can try to move the goalposts, but I never said what you claimed I said, joke. You sure like putting your neck out there, don't you?

Oh, BTW, made you look foolish again in case you want to ask another time. LOL

Anyway, since you can't save yourself from yourself, I'm going to have mercy on you and stop smacking you around. I honestly feel embarrassed for you and you bore me to tears.

Later loser

dummy,
You weren't correct. That's why MaryTylerWhore corrected you. You've been throwing a hissy fit, deflecting, and moving goalposts ever since. What part are you not understanding, dummy?

It's as if you enjoy being so stupid.

1. Oh looky, you DID say "MADE", didn't you?

You're incredible.

Yes, I said "made". (did I ever claim I didn't?) I did not say "American made" as you claimed I did.

Made you look foolish. Again. Do you really enjoy this, joke? I'll give you one more chance to show me where I said "American made" as you claimed I said.

Oh, you still can't? What a fucking surprise, eh? LOL

Woke and Goatman....

You two having fun? The circles you are running are going to create a cyber-whirlpool and suck the entire DR to the bottom of cyberspace

;)

I'm pretty much done with this.

Yeah, it would be pretty hard to beat the stunt you pulled in 116 -- take different words from different sentences, patch them together and claim that is what I said.

Getting out of here now is the best call you've made all day loser. You'll probably need to borrow Max's wheelchair since you had your legs knocked out from under you by many people many times today.

Max, on the other hand, is doing fine.

Judging from the pictures I've seen of him the last few decades, I'd have to disagree.

Yeah, it would be pretty hard to beat the stunt you pulled in 116 -- take different words from different sentences, patch them together and claim that is what I said.

Getting out of here now is the best call you've made all day loser. You'll probably need to borrow Max's wheelchair since you had your legs knocked out from under you by many people many times today.

#125 | Posted by goatman

God damn bro, you gave him both barrels!

Hey Goatman,

I'm pretty much done with this.

Posted by woke

Holy shit. A lucid moment.

Tell me, see-all-know-all woke: Is my Jeep an American car or not? LOL

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-04 03:48 PM |

I just love the arrogance of JEEP owners...I've been driving...a KIA on the beaches at Galveston and Corpus Christi...

- Posted by Woke at 2010-02-04 03:54 PM

I can picture it now -- a classic game of chicken -- played out at some beach on North Padre Island

Two "Rebels Without A Cause"

Woke sits gunning the motor in his KIA
rummm rummmm rummm

Goatman sits gunning the motor in his Jeep
rummm rummm rummmmmm

Each one waiting for the flag to drop and the race to begin

Meanwhile the crowd looks on anxiously as they make bets on which one of the two will be the first to bail before he runs smack into the ocean. LOL

PROVE all the Chevys and Jeeps that you have ever owned were all made in the USA....

???

Why should I? I never made that claim, idiot. What the fuck is the matter with you?

Then perhaps you should stfu with your bullshit pronouncements trying to pretend you are so sacrosanct an American worker supporter, eh?

Again, where did I say that in this thread? But for the record I do support American workers, don't you?

Anyone who supports the repug party for decades surely cannot be stupid enough to believe that......

???

Then why tell me? Take it up with someone who has supported the 'repug' party (whatever that is) for years.

Honest question, joke -- did you ever take any sort of reading comprehension course in your life? If so, how can you always be so wrong? Or is it some sort of thrill you get from lying? I honestly don't get you and your motives.

Lilawoke, unable to fess up to his lies and stupidity once again hides behind max's skirt rather than face the truth.

every time and every subject. Woke will always do this. He will run to Max when he is getting his ass kicked.

So, all your Jeeps were made BEFORE 1998 and/or between 2007 to 2009?

Show me where I said they were American made and I'll tell you.

BTW, piecing together words from two different sentences from two different posts to form a new thought doesn't count. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Unless of course you allow me to play by the same rules and tell everyone you said that Max Cleland is a pathetic POS.

So what is it? Do we both play by the same rules that allow us to make up sentences piecemeal from different posts? Or can neither of us play that game. Let me know what you decide.

I'll wait for that quote you attribute to me, then I'll answer your question about the year models of my vehicles.

Christ, this is like watching a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

#137

FF

Tell me, see-all-know-all woke: Is my Jeep an American car or not? LOL

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-04 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goat,

Sweet looking Jeep. What year is that? It has to be at least a 98 with that hoodline. It's 98-06. I had 98 Sport I purchased as a gift to myself when I got out of the Navy and loved that thing.

I cant get over how fugly they made the 07+ models....and that minivan engine is awful.

CS: Thanks. Actually, it's a '91, 6 cylinder. It is the third Wrangler I've owned. I got a hell of a deal on it. Two springs ago I was regretting having sold my last one and was loosely shopping for one -- more keeping my eyes open than anything. Well, my brother in law knew this and a co-worker of his said he was going to sell his. So Mark said before he put it on the market to talk to me. LSS, I looked at it. It had 120 kmiles, no rust, in great condition and the engine was new and had only 27kmiles. Had the lifts and tires as you can see. He also had the safari doors, half doors and full hard doors. He asked $4000. Similiar ones I had seen were $5000-$5800. I didn't even haggle. I bought it on the spot. I sold the hard doors for $600 because I knew I'd never use them, so that made it cheaper.

I've never had the safari doors off or put the top up since it is a toy (primary vehicle is a '00 Siverado pickup) and used mainly at the beach. I have a fitted cover to put over in case I get caught in a summer thunderstorm but as you know, the jeeps take the water very well anyway, so it really isn't needed.

I love taking it to Padre Island, putting it third gear and idling down the beach with a brew. Un PC, I know, but it's fun.

"Running away, huh? Come back, coward. I'll bite you to death". That's woke. LOL

#138 | Posted by goatman

91? I guess I need to brush up on my Jeeps.

Does it have square headlights and leaf springs? That 4 liter inline six is indestructible.

That was a great deal you got. I put 120K on mine and sold it ten years later for $7800.

Yes, it has the square headlights and leaf springs. If I'm not mistaken, '91 was the first year they came out with that higher, curved rollbar and not the 45 degree straigh one style

That was a great deal you got. I put 120K on mine and sold it ten years later for $7800.

My first Wrangler was also a '91, but I bought it new for $11,000. Six years and 150,000 miles later the dealer called me and wanted to buy it back. It was just the 2.5L and I had done nothing of note to improve it, but they gave me $5,000. (I ended up regretting it because I missed it so) They have great resale value as you well know.

There's PettyGoat, pounding his chest and declaring victory. lol. Nothing dumber on the Internet than doing that.

#142 | Posted by nullifidian

Null, remember this is Woke we're talking about. My cats litter box also declared victory this afternoon.

Whats funny to me about all of this... I owned a 1999 Volvo S70 from new. That car and many others after it (and other models) had a flawed electronic throttle body that would often lead to unintended accelleration and other weird drivability issues.

Volvo very quietly just kept swapping throttle body after throttle body for me every couple years.

My point being ... I don't think many of these electronic throttle systems are fully vetted. I'm not a car engineer, but why did we ever get away from the simple cable style? Not that they wouldnt sometimes stick either, but just asking.

He will run to Max when he is getting his ass kicked.
#134 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2010-02-04 05:18 PM |

Didnt' know you were among the crowd that thinks denigrating decorated, triple amputee war vets was a cool thing to do.

I guess you cannot see the hypocrisy of claiming patriotism due to buying "American" vehicles (made in Canada) while also denigrating war veterans based on their politics.

Though we've had our brouhaha's, i never lumped you in with these other POS. Thanks for the heads up.

I'll bet all your cars are American made too, eh patriot?

You are even more oblivious than BuffalBoOb, and that's something I thought I'd never say.

I believe now more than ever that you are retarded.

*Tin Foil Cap On*

Interesting that the one company with the hottest selling hybrid is suddenly not reliable in a country dependent on foreign oil.

Wow. Finally had a chance to read this whole "American-made" debate from beginning to end.

I'm exhausted!

So what time does round 2 begin?

#162 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-06 04:44 AM | Reply | Flag: Pathetic Piece of Shit

Be Well.

DETHSPUD, here's an interesting post about a POS who rails on Cleland (yet claims to be a vet):

"101 Got into it with me one day about navy gun fire and shore bombardments. He tried to tell me he was a gun fire spotter and was in charge of my fire mission and that He only requested White Phosphorous (Willey Pete) which is illegal under Geneva. I knew he was full of BS...."

Posted by Prolix247 at 2010-01-31 11:07 PM

#162 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-06 04:44 AM | Reply | Flag: Pathetic Piece of Shit

Once again deth steps on his dick.

If you read the entire thread, you know what this is about. I could explain, but it's more fun to watch you make an ass of yourself. But if you don't want to remain clueless, read the entire thread and get a clue. Or don't. You are an idiot either way.

Deth can read. So can everyone else. There are no posts of mine denigrating Max Cleland or any other war vet on this thread or any other and you know it, unlike yourself.

You want to pretend that I similarly twisted your words when I did not do so. The proof of that is easily seen and anyone can easily follow the post numbers back up to see what you said and what I said.

In an effort to show your "patriotism" you claimed you drove only American cars, yet, I have proven at least one of them, a 91 Jeep was actually "made" and assembled in CANADA, with references to both your posts and to the FACTS.

So sorry you were corrected. Deal with it.

Apparently, it's time to get rcade involved and let him decide who is being disengenuous, abusive, offensive, and libelous.

So sorry you were corrected. Deal with it.

In Goat's mind he's always right especially when he's wrong so don't hold yer breath waiting fer him to "deal with it".

...time to get rcade involved...

Naw, teh blog-god's already busy enuff.

DR don't need any further refereeing beyond wot we got now.

Be Well.

I proved that your 91 Jeep was actually made in Canada.

???

So?

So, your contention that you have only owned "American" vehicles is bullshit.

Why don't you just admit it you were WRONG and be done with it.....

instead of doing a tap dance around the facts and pretending you didn't say what you said, then libeling me by pretending I misrepresented your posts.

It's all there to see buddy.....post 56 and 87......

Why did you post 56 to begin with if not to attempt to pretend you are some great patriot?

First of all, it was incorrect and not factual, your Jeep was made in Canada.

Each time you denigrate Cleland, or any other war veteran for political reasons, you belie that you are a patriot.

Which makes post 56 all the more pathetic.

To Woke and Goatman: Stop this back and forth. I will dump any flagged comments that keep this argument going from here on out.

Canada is in America

To Woke and Goatman: Stop this back and forth. I will dump any flagged comments that keep this argument going from here on out.

#168 | Posted by rcade

Hahahaha. Guess PettyGoat will have to find Bob to feed his OCD.

To Woke and Goatman: Stop this back and forth. I will dump any flagged comments that keep this argument going from here on out.

#168 | Posted by rcade at 2010-02-06 12:05 PM

Canada is in America

#170 | Posted by goatman at 2010-02-06 12:13 PM

Touche for getting in the final zinger before all the fun was called to a halt. LOL

You are even more oblivious than BuffalBoOb, and that's something I thought I'd never say.

I wouldn't call BuffaloBob "oblivious" as he's an intelligent guy. It's just sometimes his conclusions on various subjects can be a little out of the mainstream. But agree with him or not on his viewpoints, he's still quite knowledgeable on many subjects -- like astronomy, etc.

(And, no, this post isn't intended to bring back the debate Rcade wants called to a halt. I was just making a comment.)