I concur.

Liberal (socialist) retards refuse to believe anything that interferes with their dreams of a total nanny-state.

This explains why unemployment went from 4% at the start of Chimpy W. Hoover's disastrous Presidency to 8% at its dreadful finish. Dubya's pathetic mishandling of all things economic conjures up images of Trig trying to solve a Rubik's Cube.

Liberals don't want a nanny-state, just common sense. If whatever works in New Hampshire, it works.

Now, what did the Bush tax cuts accomplish? Exactly.

#3 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

Unemployment was 4.4% when the Democrats took over in 2006. A year later after the Democrats got their agendas rolling it really started rising. Nice emotionally charged post though.

"A year later after the Democrats got their agendas rolling..."

Really? Name one financial bill the Dems wrote that Bush signed into law.

"A year later after the Democrats got their agendas rolling..."

Show me a piece of legislation written by Dems that raised taxes under the Bush administration.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for reducing employment taxes, but you have to make up the revenue somewhere else. You can't just say, "hey let's cut taxes to get businesses hiring," if it is going to deepen our deficit. It is time we learn that we can't cut taxes until we cut the deficit and we have to make tough decisions when it comes to entitlement programs and forms of government spending.

Cutting taxes for middle class families will put more money into the economy faster than wealthy people with portfolios and money socked away by the millions who aren't going to be buying a new refrigerator more often than anyone in the middle class.

Backdoor taxes to hit middle class
By Terri Cullen Mon Feb1, 4:09pmET

NEW YORK (Reuters.com) The Obama administration's plan to cut more than $1 trillion from the deficit over the next decade relies heavily on so-called backdoor tax increases that will result in a bigger tax bill for middle-class families. In the 2010 budget tabled by President Barack Obama on Monday, the White House wants to let billions of dollars in tax breaks expire by the end of the year effectively a tax hike by stealth.

While the administration is focusing its proposal on eliminating tax breaks for individuals who earn $250,000 a year or more, middle-class families will face a slew of these backdoor increases. The targeted tax provisions were enacted under the Bush administration's Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001. Among other things, the law lowered individual tax rates, slashed taxes on capital gains and dividends, and steadily scaled back the estate tax to zero in 2010.

If the provisions are allowed to expire on December 31, the top-tier personal income tax rate will rise to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. But lower-income families will pay more as well:

- The 25 percent tax bracket will revert back to 28 percent.
- The 28 percent bracket will increase to 31 percent.
- The 33 percent bracket will increase to 36 percent.
- The special 10 percent bracket is eliminated.

Investors will pay more on their earnings next year as well, with the tax on dividends jumping to 39.6 percent from 15 percent and the capital-gains tax increasing to 20 percent from 15 percent. The estate tax is eliminated this year, but it will return in 2011 though there has been talk about reinstating the death tax sooner.

Millions of middle-class households already may be facing higher taxes in 2010 because Congress has failed to extend tax breaks that expired on January 1, most notably a "patch" that limited the impact of the alternative minimum tax. The AMT, initially designed to prevent the very rich from avoiding income taxes, was never indexed for inflation. Now the tax is affecting millions of middle-income households, but lawmakers have been reluctant to repeal it because it has become a key source of revenue.

Without annual legislation to renew the patch this year, the AMT could affect an estimated 25 million taxpayers with incomes as low as $33,750 (or $45,000 for joint filers). Even if the patch is extended to last year's levels, the tax will hit American families that can hardly be considered wealthy the AMT exemption for 2009 was $46,700 for singles and $70,950 for married couples filing jointly.

Middle-class families also will find fewer tax breaks available to them in 2010 if other popular tax provisions are allowed to expire. Among them:

- Taxpayers who itemize will lose the option to deduct state sales-tax payments instead of state and local income taxes.
- The $250 teacher tax credit for classroom supplies.
- The tax deduction for up to $4,000 of college tuition and expenses
- Individuals who don't itemize will no longer be able to increase their standard deduction by up to $1,000 for property taxes paid.
- The first $2,400 of unemployment benefits are taxable, in 2009 that amount was tax-free.

I doubt the AMT won't be fixed before the last fix expires later this year:

"Revised US House AMT fix keeps hedge fund tax rise"

"the White House wants to let billions of dollars in tax breaks expire by the end of the year effectively a tax hike by stealth."

And, as usual, members of The Party of Responsibility take no responsibility, even when they proposed it, wrote it, passed it without a single Democratic vote, and signed it into law.

Obviously...Obama's fault.

Reuters' 'Backdoor taxes to hit middle class' story withdrawn after White House complaint

The White House succeeded Monday night in getting Reuters to pull an unfavorable, inaccurate story about tax policy that had been featured on the Drudge Report.

The story claimed that the Obama administration planned to reduce the deficit by allowing middle class tax cuts to expire. Hours later the story was taken offline, replaced with a notice explaining that the facts were wrong. The note initially said that a replacement version would come out later this week; it was later revised to say that "there will be no substitute story." Wrote Reuters:

The Feb 1 story headlined "Backdoor taxes to hit middle class" is wrong and has been withdrawn. The story said lower-income families will pay more under tax provisions scheduled to expire Dec 31. The Obama administration's budget calls for the extension of those tax provisions for households earning less than $250,000. There will be no substitute story.
The story was taken down Monday night, but still led the conservative Drudge Report at 11:30 a.m. Tuesday. Later, the website added that it had been pulled.

White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton tweeted about the incident.

A White House official told Talking Points Memo that they reached out to Reuters to point out factual errors in the piece.

"The story went out, and it shouldn't have gone out," said Courtney Dolan, a spokeswoman for Reuters. "It had significant errors of fact."

A White House official told TPMDC the Reuters story was "falsely stating that the President's budget raises taxes for middle class families, when in fact the opposite is true."

The official said when the administration saw the story, published yesterday afternoon, they contacted one of the Reuters White House correspondents.

The White House pushed these points:

- Our budget explicitly calls for permanently extending the Bush tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. - Our budget explicitly calls for allowing the top rate on dividends to increase to 20% for households making over $250,000. - Our budget accounts for the cost of continuing the AMT "Patch". The last administration's budgets ignored these costs, but we explicitly account for them. - Our budget extends expiring tax provisions through 2011.

Cutting taxes for middle class families will put more money into the economy faster than wealthy people with portfolios and money socked away by the millions who aren't going to be buying a new refrigerator more often than anyone in the middle class.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The Middle Class are more than likely to save than spend if they see a reduction in taxes. Maybe they will try to make larger credit card payments. Increasing taxes on people who make over $200,000 a year will more than likely cause them to spend less. I don't tip as well as I used to. Where I used to tip 20%, I know tip 15%. The mailman and garbage man did not get a tip for Christmas. Hell people should tp 10% now. they will probably end up with free healthcare. That is their tip

I'm pleased to learn that the Bush Tax Cuts will be made permanent and Obama supporters agree with the action.

TIMBCI

As I alluded to in the post you referenced, you can only buy so many cars, toasters, refrigerators, or other consumer items.

The middle class have received more tax cuts and credits in one year of Obama's term than 8 under Bush and the GOP.

Timbci-
Are the words of the prophet Koresh unclear on the topic of tipping?

TIMBCI

As I alluded to in the post you referenced, you can only buy so many cars, toasters, refrigerators, or other consumer items.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I could list a hundred consumer items to buy. Now is a good time to buy luxury items. I just wrote a check for the slip for my boat. The earlier you pay it, the bigger the discount. People can spend their money renovating their property, In a couple of months they could spend money on landscaping. The fact is the more money you make, the more you spend. You increase taxes on people and they are less likely to spend.

When the middle class buys consumer items, they finance it. The Upper class usually pay for it outright.

Where's your marina? My buddy's sailboat is at Liberty Harbor Marina.

Wealthy people don't buy consumer goods or services at any level over the middle class. In fact, how could the top 1-5% buy anywhere near the number of items, groceries, services the vast middle class would?

Pt. Pleasant. Only a fool would take a sailboat in the Hudson.

Wealthy people put much more money into the economy. The Middle Class will go to Sears and finance a refrigerator. The wealthy will buy a Viking. The wealthy eat in 4 star restaurants and take clients out to lunches. The middle class eat lunch at McDonald's and dinner at Friday's. The wealthy take their three kids to Disney world for a week. The middle class take their kids to the movies. the Wealthy are looking to buy a vacation home in a bad economy, the middle class is looking to dump the timeshare they can no longer afford to pay for.

Pt. Pleasant. Only a fool would take a sailboat in the Hudson.

He's only been sailing Liberty Harbor and cruising the Hudson for 25 years. Ever heard of 'diesel engines'? What would he know compared to you?

#22 | Posted by timbci

Again, you're missing the point.

1-5% of Americans don't buy a fraction what the vast middle class do.

Just because he has been sailing the hudson for 25 years doesn't make himn less of a fool. Often during the Summer I will sit outside at the Sand Bar and laugh at the idiots that have sailboats in the clean waters of the Hudson river.

Again, you're missing the point.

1-5% of Americans don't buy a fraction what the vast middle class do.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Sorry but the middle class buying stouffers frozen dinners doesn't compare to eating at the Boat House

I wonder what the "prophet Koresh" has to say about this.

TIMBCI?

25+ years without an incident or accident or grounding prove his abilities and judgment to me. He's a 'fool' who managed to be able to afford a 38' boat that sleeps 8 and sail it when he feels like it. He's an old hand .... as you may be one day.

#26 | Posted by timbci

If I were you, I wouldn't continue to insist 1-5% of our population buy a fraction what the other 95-99% do.

25+ years without an incident or accident or grounding prove his abilities and judgment to me. He's a 'fool' who managed to be able to afford a 38' boat that sleeps 8 and sail it when he feels like it. He's an old hand .... as you may be one day.

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Yea I am sure he has a 38 foot boat. that is why he rents in a building in Newport no one has ever heard of. Lying is not very becoming

If I were you, I wouldn't continue to insist 1-5% of our population buy a fraction what the other 95-99% do.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Sorry son but you are too funny. 95-99% od the nationa are NOT middle class

Lying is not very becoming

Then why do you do it, timbecile?

Now I have to call you a 'stupid little shit'.

I linked the building's website (you still insist doesn't exist) the other day. Called "The Atlantic', just as I said, but you still argue doesn't exist. He also owns commercial property on Manhattan, but likes the view from Newport. Duh.

Sorry son but you are too funny. 95-99% od the nationa are NOT middle class

#31 | Posted by timbci

I didn't just say that. I said 1-5% of the country can't possibly buy a fraction what the other 95-99% do.

Sorry 'son'. As usual this conversation is a circle jerk of TIMBCI talking out his rear, being shown facts, yet continuing to insist he's right. Fool.

I linked the building's website (you still insist doesn't exist) the other day. Called "The Atlantic', just as I said, but you still argue doesn't exist. He also owns commercial property on Manhattan, but likes the view from Newport. Duh.

www.newportnj.com

You're really proving yourself to be clueless.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You are an idiot. Sorry son but that website is for Newport not the Atlantic. I repeat no one I know has ever heard of that building. It must be old or does it just not exist. The blue arrow points to the Aquablu which was just built. I know what the Aquablu looks like. Does Aquablue mean Atlantic and some dead language. By the way, there are no units in Aquablue that go for $2,ooo. Yea OK. He owns Coomercial real estate in Manhattan but rents. Yea that is believable. At least make up a story that he rents in a high end building. Make something good up. How about he rents at the Portafino or Marabella.

You have to be a little less anal. Click the link:

He rents because he likes the view of Manhattan and likes to be near his boat. Duh. He has a home in Connecticut, and owns commercial property on Manhattan. Something I doubt you will ever accomplish...on your own as he did.

Find some 'new' people to talk to in your imaginary life working out in Newport every night.

He rents because he likes the view of Manhattan and likes to be near his boat. Duh. He has a home in Connecticut, and owns commercial property on Manhattan. Something I doubt you will ever accomplish...on your own as he did.

Find some 'new' people to talk to in your imaginary life working out in Newport every night.

Actually I already own property son. 230 Third Street. Have your imaginary friend stop by and he can look at my building. Maybe one day if he saves his pennies he can buy a place on his own.

Sure he rents because he like to throw away his money. Yep it is not like there are any good buys in Newport now. I mean its not like Crystal Point is almost giving away two bedrooms.

Maybe its just me but I don't even like to talk to people who rent. People who are in their 30's or older and rent should be embarassed. Most likely they abuse drugs or drink too much

Sure he rents because he like to throw away his money.

He's wealthy and can live and do what he pleases. He sold a townhouse on the Upper East Side and made a killing before moving to the Atlantic for the view and to be nearer his sailboat. Is this a hard concept for you to grasp? Seems so.

You still gonna deny the Atlantic exists and that the Newport Water Ferry dock isn't right outside his building? OK. Fine. Amazing that someone like me who doesn't live anywhere near Newport knows more about it than you do. Hmmm.

Sure he rents because he like to throw away his money.

He's wealthy and can live and do what he pleases. He sold a townhouse on the Upper East Side and made a killing before moving to the Atlantic for the view and to be nearer his sailboat. Is this a hard concept for you to grasp? Seems so.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

No one that owned real estate would sell his property to live in a rental building. Stop lying

I repeat the only ferry in Newport docks at Harborside

ringinthebutt wrote,

"This explains why unemployment went from 4% at the start of Chimpy W. Hoover's disastrous Presidency to 8% at its dreadful finish. Dubya's pathetic mishandling of all things economic conjures up images of Trig trying to solve a Rubik's Cube."

Actually the average unemployment rate under Bush was lower than Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Carter, and yes even Bill Clinton.

Now stick that shit in you pipe and smoke it!

Bush years average 5.1964%

Clinton years average 5.2052%

I repeat the only ferry in Newport docks at Harborside

Posted by timbci

I know that. I also know it's steps from the front door of the Atlantic. Seconds to walk there. Next time you get off at Harborside .... try looking. Better yet, next time you get off hang out by the front door for a minute and observe what my friend, who's lived in the building for years, knows. H-1B: 90% of the building.

"the average unemployment rate "

Gee, could you get a more worthless stat? Clinton inherited nearly 8%, and watched it pare to 4%. Bush inherited 4%, and watched it rise to near 8% by the end.

The "average" is only good for dolts who don't understand the bigger picture of trajectories and trends. Inheriting 8%, and averaging slightly more than 5.2% is better than inheriting 4% and averaging slightly less than 5.2%.

"bp1.blogger.com"

And could you possibly find a more moronic graph? The difference is less than two-tenths of one percent, but the "graph" is skewed to make it look like it's more than a 100% difference.

"more than a 100% difference."

More like a 200% difference. The one graph looking three times the size of the other represents less than a .0017 difference.

Intellectually dishonest to the nth degree. Either the author is an idiot, or he's pandering to idiots, or both.

#43 | POSTED BY TIMBCI
"I repeat the only ferry in Newport docks at Harborside"

Not if the gay militants have anything to say about it.

Soon those ferries will be docking all over the place, and there's nothing the Sons of the Confederacy and their fleet of short buses can do about it.

Rethugs continually argue that tax cuts are the one-size-fits-all solution to everything that ails ya.

Unemployment, the economy, diarhea, dandruff, you name it and the Rep will tell you lower taxes will fix it.

Reagan sed it and then did it and then ended up taking the country down the path of uncontrollable deficits from which it's never fully recovered.

The rtarded set never seem to acknowledge the fact that while corporate taxes and personal taxes on the wealthy may look high on paper the reality is that enough loopholes exist to ensure that those entities never pay their fair share of taxes much less a realistic, progressive rate.

Spud only watches Joe when he needs a cheap laugh.

Spud calls the show "Morning Joke", in fact.

Be Well.

Up to 1930 most of the Federal Government that we know today didn't exist.

Government is just a 3rd party or middle man that adds to you daily cost.

So look at Government like a 3rd party they don't work for free you have to pay these people, and the bigger the government the more taxes you have to pay to support it. So in good times you can afford it but during recessions when money is tight this 3rd party (the government) is a big strain.

Texas has very little government and low taxes as a % of GDP and not only do they beat all the other states, but they destroy them in terms of economics. Texans do everything themselves, and the results show.

In you personal life who is better off, person who does everything themselfves or a person who hires someone to do everything for them.

All the big government states are just that, they hire someone to do everything for them, and the results show.

with the tax on dividends jumping to 39.6 percent from 15 percent

Bullshit.

"No one that owned real estate would sell his property to live in a rental building. Stop lying"

I don't know anything about the person AU is referring to but many smart people saw the housing bubble getting ready to pop and did sell their homes and now rent. They retained the profit they made in the bubble, the fact Timbicile seems unaware of these smart people indicates to me that he is not the sharpest tool in the tool box.

the fact Timbicile seems unaware of these smart people indicates to me that he is not the sharpest tool in the tool box.
#53 | Posted by danni

More like a bent nail that keeps getting hammered.

When the middle class buys consumer items, they finance it. The Upper class usually pay for it outright.

#20 | Posted by timbci at 2010-02-02 11:56 PM | Reply | Flag

So what? It still is revenue to the business that sold it.

When I bought me new car this summer I was going to pay cash, but the dealer was offering 0% financing so I took it.

Under your arguement the fact that I financed the car nullifies the sale.

Timbicile seems unaware of these smart people indicates to me that he is not the sharpest tool in the tool box.

He definitely gets the King of Delusion crown on DR. I still think he is jackass playing the other extreme. They are too similiar

Government is just a 3rd party or middle man that adds to you daily cost.

Or the fire department that saves your life.

Or the police that protect your property.

Or the highway department that maintains interstate commerce.

Or the teachers that educate your children.

Or the military that defends our nation.

Or the sanitation workers that pick up our trash.

Or the water department that provides clean drinking water.

Of the air traffic controllers that keep planes from crashing into each other.

You want to be free from the government "middle man" ... move to Haiti.

57 | Posted by 726
Or the fire department that saves your life.
Or the police that protect your property.
Or the highway department that maintains interstate commerce.
Or the teachers that educate your children.
Or the military that defends our nation.
Or the sanitation workers that pick up our trash.
Or the water department that provides clean drinking water.
Of the air traffic controllers that keep planes from crashing into each other.
You want to be free from the government "middle man" ... move to Haiti.
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Leave it up to a liberal to leave out the details.

Before there was income tax which happened around 1915 we built the Panama Canal, had roads, bridges, clean water, a military, school teachers and so on, but 726 try's to make it look like we didn't have any infrastructure back then.

What we didn't have was S.S., Medicare, HHS, OSHA, the EPA, just to name a few.

Texas has clean water, school teachers, and everything mentioned above.

What Texas doesn't have is all kinds of other bureaucracy's like Day Care inspectors for example, unnecessary regulations (my health care is 140 here, and 300 in NY).

Also Texas doesn't doll out a lot for Welfare, Unemployment insurance, housing, they do the bare minimum.

What 726 also fails to mention the State worker in California or New York is better compensated by a huge margin.

Before there was income tax which happened around 1915 we built the Panama Canal, had roads, bridges, clean water, a military, school teachers and so on, but 726 try's to make it look like we didn't have any infrastructure back then.

You said government does nto provide anything. Now you are saying it does.

Which is it?

What Texas doesn't have is all kinds of other bureaucracy's like Day Care inspectors

You sure about that?

Again, you want to be free from all them evil middle men, move to Haiti.

#59 | Posted by 726
What Texas doesn't have is all kinds of other bureaucracy's like Day Care inspectors

You sure about that?
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Texas has some of the lowest taxes as % of GDP of any state.

That is not to say they don't have any bureaucracy, they do, all states have some, it's just Texas has a whole lot less.

#60 | Posted by 726
Again, you want to be free from all them evil middle men, move to Haiti.
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No I will just live in Texas, where the cost of living is low due to very little government, and the economy is great.

But thanks for the advice

#59 | Posted by 7

Police went to the home at 227 Willow Street after a Texas Child Care licensing inspector alerted them that the occupants were operating a day care center illegally.boardreader.com

Leave it to a con to get the facts wrong.
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Your comparing apples and oranges, comparing a Texas Child Care licensing inspector to a similar positiion in Cal or NY is like comparing a Ford Touris to a Ferrari, their both cars, but when you look at the details you get a different picture.

Again Texas has bureaucracy, but not to the level of the Blue States.

"Your comparing apples and oranges, comparing a Texas Child Care licensing inspector to a similar positiion in Cal or NY"

Except he wasn't comparing NY and CA Child Care inspectors with TX ones. He was pointing out your claim itself was bullshit.

#64 | Posted by Danforth
Except he wasn't comparing NY and CA Child Care inspectors with TX ones. He was pointing out your claim itself was bullshit.
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The example I used was incorrect, but the premise of my claim that Texas has less bureaucracy still stands.

Cutting taxes for middle class families will put more money into the economy faster than wealthy people with portfolios and money socked away by the millions who aren't going to be buying a new refrigerator more often than anyone in the middle class.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

""

No, thats because they are buying high end items like boats and building large houses, that take a lot of skilled labor and finished goods to construct.

Your comparing apples and oranges, comparing a Texas Child Care licensing inspector to a similar positiion in Cal or NY is like comparing a Ford Touris to a Ferrari,

Really? Don't hurt yourself reaching like that.

You gonna deny making this comment...

"What Texas doesn't have is all kinds of other bureaucracy's like Day Care inspectors for example"

And I showed you that your claim was bullshit.

Now it is apples to oranges.

"comparing a Texas Child Care licensing inspector to a similar positiion in Cal or NY"

I never compared them to NY or CA, you did. I just pointed out that you were WRONG, that Texas does in fact have Day Care inspectors.

Stop digging yourself a deeper hole.

No, thats because they are buying high end items like boats and building large houses, that take a lot of skilled labor and finished goods to construct.

It is impossible for the top 5% to consume more than the bottom 95%.

I never compared them to NY or CA, you did. I just pointed out that you were WRONG, that Texas does in fact have Day Care inspectors.

Stop digging yourself a deeper hole.

Posted by 726 at 2010-02-03 12:58 PM

No other state seems to be talked about more, or singled out more, than Texas.

It's almost like there are the other 49 states and then there's the Nation of Texas. LOL

but the premise of my claim that Texas has less bureaucracy still stands.

Wrong again skippy.

Rhode Island

Drove through Rhode Island on my way to stay at Cape Cod for a couple of weeks.

Very pretty state, at least the areas I happened to see.

#70 | Posted by 726
Table 2. State and Local Government Employment in 2004
as a Share of Total Employment in State
Total Education Safety Welfare Services Other
All states 11.3% 6.1% 1.7% 1.5% 1.3% 0.8%

Texas 12.3% 7.4% 1.7% 1.4% 1.2% 0.6%
California 10.8% 5.4% 1.6% 1.6% 1.2% 0.9%

I realize this is from 2004, if I can find a new one I will post it.
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Cal's population is 36,961,664, Texas's population is 24,782,302.

Again Texas has low taxes as % of GDP compared to California. Why is that? According to your numbers Texas has a lot of state employees, which I believe is true.
The number of state employees is not the only factor in determining the level or cost of a bureaucracy, there is a host of other factors too.

Businesses from all over the country come to Texas because the bureaucracy is cheaper.

Again a Ford and a Ferrari are both cars, but the cost are not the same.

Again Texas has low taxes as % of GDP compared to California

[grunt grunt huff puff move that goal post]

Texas has less bureaucracy

Texas has more state employees per total employees than california = more bureacracy.

Just because they find other ways to pay for it other than income taxes is irrelevant.

Here is the definition of Bureaucracy

My health insurance is Texas is 140 dollars a month the same insurance in NY 300 dollars. Why is that?

Same reason a job that pays $15 per hour in Texas pays $35 in New York- COLA

The "average" is only good for dolts who don't understand the bigger picture of trajectories and trends

Averages are like Rassmussen polls. They are only valid when they swing in your direction.

How's the trend under Obama?

I suppose with the re-hiring of Obama's campaign manager "Blame Bush Part II" will be born. Good luck with that strategy. I don't see it working anymore.

Higher taxes=inflation under Obama. But the hiring of record numbers of Goverment employees will delay that for about 3 business days...

The tax rates Obama is allowing to expire for the wealthy were the very same ones in place when we grew 20,000,000 jobs and had a booming economy.

The middle class have received more tax relief in the past year than the last 8 before that.

The tax rates Obama is allowing to expire for the wealthy were the very same ones in place when we grew 20,000,000 jobs, went from 8% to 4% unemployment, real wages rose, and we had a booming economy...under Clinton.

Same rates the wealthy paid up 'til 2002. They were buying boats and everything else under the sun. No shortage of money for them.

Yeah, what the hell. We need to be told how to spend our money. The 35' boat I bought created jobs but fuck me. And that trip to Vegas? How many of you entitlement babies felt the sting? How about looking up "Hard Work" and "Respnsibilty"

"The tax rates Obama is allowing to expire for the wealthy were the very same ones in place when we grew 20,000,000 jobs and had a booming economy." - AU

Are you claiming causation? Or coincidence?

Americanunity wrote,

"The tax rates Obama is allowing to expire for the wealthy were the very same ones in place when we grew 20,000,000 jobs, went from 8% to 4% unemployment, real wages rose, and we had a booming economy...under Clinton."

Actually the economy grew very well under the republican congress both in the 1990's and up until 2006. Hmmm, ask yourself what happened in 2006. Oh yes, the democrats took over and controlled the entire legislative process and the budget. Of course by some odd coincidence thats when the country went to shit, and the budget deficits exploded.

Read em and weep dipshit democrats cause November is coming and we gonna rip you bastards a new asshole for trying to destroy our great country.

So long Barbara Boxer, Blanche Lincoln, Arlen Spincter, and the rest of you merry clusterfucks.

Then in 2012 we can send barry big ears Obama's rat ass back to being a food critic and communist organizer. The sooner we get rid of this shit eating fuckhead the better off this country will certainly be. Hell, I would even take Jimmy Carter back to get rid of this stupid fucking teleprompter reading idiot.

From 2003:

WASHINGTON - The nation's unemployment rate shot up to 6.4 percent in June, the highest level in more than nine years, in an economic slump that has added nearly a million people to jobless rolls in the past three months.

You know the rest of the story ... millions and millions of jobs lost, 401K's in the tank, economy in the tank, debt at unprecedented record levels, trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Ya, Bush was the bomb.

re: Actually the economy grew very well under the republican congress both in the 1990's and up until 2006.

"Actually", Republicans took a surplus left to them by Clinton and doubled the debt. They also deregulated their pals in finance and caused a global economic meltdown.

American-
There is little doubt that the Bush term will be remembered as an awful stain, except among those who regard Nixon as a success, and feel McCarthy was a noble patriot.

Betelg, why do you keep trying to claim that Clinton ever had a surplus? the treasury department website clearly shows that the national debt rose every year during Clintons 8 years.

Is this some kind of fancy new ebonics math that only democrats have learned?

"Averages are like Rassmussen polls. They are only valid when they swing in your direction."

Nonsense. A Rasmussen poll is like a snapshot. An average of unemployment numbers over 8 years, and the trajectory of those thousands of days, is by comparison a huge canvas where the picture is quite clear: Clinton inherited roughly 8% unemployment, yet brought down the average to 5.2% before handing it off at 4%. Bush watched it rise, averaging about the same 5.2%, but delivered 8% (and growing) to his successor. BIG difference.

"Hell, I would even take Jimmy Carter back to get rid of this stupid fucking teleprompter reading idiot."

You mean the teleprompter reading idiot that made monkeys out of the REpublicans at their own retreat last Friday??? Oh, he didn't use a teleprompter moron. That is one Obamahater talking point point to rest forever. You can disagree with him if you will (as if you have the IQ though) but you can't say he isn't extremely smart and quite capable of thinking on his feet.

Teleprompter-idiot???

Look, Obama had an attrocious first year, but he is clearly anything but an idiot.

If he pulls a Clinton and moves toward the middle I would not be at all surprised if he ends up a 2-termer - the dude carries serious charisma and his personal likability polling vastly exceeds the public opinion of his policies.

Here is the definition of Bureaucracy

www.merriam-webster.com

1 a : a body of nonelective government officials b : an administrative policy-making group

Yes, state employees.

Texas has more state employees as a % of total employees than California.

Keep digging.

#93 | Posted by 726

Here is the definition of Bureaucracy

www.merriam-webster.com

1 a : a body of nonelective government officials b : an administrative policy-making group

Yes, state employees.

Texas has more state employees as a % of total employees than California.

Keep digging.

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And Texas thanks you, because we will get the jobs

Now, what did the Bush tax cuts accomplish? Exactly.

#4 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar

that BIDEN THREE LETTER WORD

jobs jobs jobs....

bush unemployment rate was usually around 4. something...
remember those good old days when libs here LECTURED us about how BAD THAT RATE WAS??????????????

"bush unemployment rate was usually around 4. something..."

Clinton got handed 8%, and left 4%.
Bush got handed 4%, and left 8%.

And Texas thanks you, because we will get the jobs

Potatoes eat fish.

Clinton got handed 8%, and left 4%.
Bush got handed 4%, and left 8%.

#96 | Posted by Danforth

You raise a good, albeit simplified point. To be fair, some of Clinton's budgetary success can be attributed to:

1. A hawkish >'94 house - they do ultimately cut the checks.

2. An inherited cold-war dividend

Having added context, I agree with your general premise - the GOP had full power and they spent in an absolutely reckless fashion. Well, they were voted out as a result and their replacements are quadrupling-down on their recklessness - yet there you are waving your pom-poms.

Obama has the fucking gall to preach about spending cuts and then he goes on to propose a budget with a $1.3 trillion deficit for the next year - and you stand there with fucking pom-poms.

This is disgusting and criminal and all you can be bothered to do is point out the 'relatively' minor crimes of the previous gang of thieves as a means of deflecting responsibility from the far bigger thieves you voted for.

How pathetic.

"their replacements are quadrupling-down on their recklessness - yet there you are waving your pom-poms."

Gee...a lie, and a lie.

"Obama has the fucking gall to preach about spending cuts and then he goes on to propose a budget with a $1.3 trillion deficit for the next year - and you stand there with fucking pom-poms."

Again, a lie. Find -- anywhere -- where I've praised Obama's spending.

"This is disgusting and criminal and all you can be bothered to do is point out the 'relatively' minor crimes of the previous gang of thieves as a means of deflecting responsibility from the far bigger thieves you voted for."

I have no idea WTF you're talking about. But if you think Dubya's financial crimes were "relatively minor", you're a moron.

$1.3 trillion deficit

No shit. He should have used the magic tricks Bushy did to make him look better.

Like excluding...

The cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Interest on the debt for those wars.

I know that. I also know it's steps from the front door of the Atlantic. Seconds to walk there. Next time you get off at Harborside .... try looking. Better yet, next time you get off hang out by the front door for a minute and observe what my friend, who's lived in the building for years, knows. H-1B: 90% of the building.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Stop lying son. There is nothing near the Harborside except offices and restaurants. It takes 5 minutes just to walk off the pier to the steps of the Harborside. As far as these H-1B workers go, it really is amazing that you can tell the visa status of someone by looking at someone. Sounds like an amazing talent. It is like Colonel Mackenzie's ability to tell time in her head. Perhaps you work with Don Epps from the FBI as a consultant. I don't think you have ever been to Jersey City or this supposed friend exists.

TIMBCI

It still comes down to you still don't know what you're talking about after a couple weeks now. The Water Ferry is a 20 second walk from the front door of The Atlantic Bldg.

For someone who claims to be in Newport every night, you still don't know that?

BTW, who's 'Anne'?

I know exactly what I am talking about. The Water Ferry is a good 10 minute walk to any building other than Harborside. I was in Newport last night drinking at Michaelanthony's on the pier. Nothing but white people. Where all all these foreigners you keep talking about

TIMBCI

I know exactly what I am talking about. The Water Ferry is a good 10 minute walk to any building other than Harborside.

Apparently, you don't know what you're talking about.

Here's a picture. The Atlantic is the building in the lower left hand corner, maybe 250-300' from the Water Ferry to Midtown dock. See "Newport to Midtown/West 34th St." and the line? The main entrance is on the North end of the bldg. Who's Anne?

Unfortunately I do. I take the ferry home from work everyday and go right to the gym. It is a rather far walk off the pier and into Harborside, especially in the cold. Stop lying son

TIMBCI

Geesh, 'son'. There's a PHOTOGRAPH in my post of the Atlantic Bldg AND the Water Ferry dock 250-300' away marked plain as day.

You must not live anywhere near Newport or go there either. That's plain as day. Any fool who still denies indisputable proof after seeing photographic evidence isn't playing with a full deck.

TIMBCI oh TIMBCI?

In case there's a shred of doubt left in your puzzled mind, here's a Google Earth photo - with address and web info on the (GASP!) Atlantic Bldg., and the Water Ferry 250-300' away. There's even a phone number. Maybe they can point you to the NEWPORT WATER FERRY dock you don't seem to know the location of.

To help you out, 'son', I've also linked a Google Maps pic with the same address for you right on top of the building. See "Newport Ferry to Midtown/West 39th St."? It's the 'NEWPORT WATER FERRY' dock - 250-300' from the entrance to the lobby of the Atlantic Bldg. (which is on the North side).

Unfortunately I do. I take the ferry home from work everyday and go right to the gym. It is a rather far walk off the pier and into Harborside, especially in the cold. Stop lying son

TIMBCI

If you did, 'son', you'd know where the Newport Water Ferry dock was. Next time you go to your imaginary gym (in Newport, right?) look to your left when you're pulling up to the dock you don't know the location of. That's the "Atlantic Building Apts" LOL

(See PHOTOGRAPHS with addresses and water ferry dock above)

TIMBCI

If you did, 'son', you'd know where the Newport Water Ferry dock was. Next time you go to your imaginary gym (in Newport, right?) look to your left when you're pulling up to the dock you don't know the location of. That's the "Atlantic Building Apts" LOL

(See PHOTOGRAPHS with addresses and water ferry dock above)

#108 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

YOu need to stop it. We both know you are lying. You damn well know the walk is over 10 minutes
My gym is the only gym in Jersey City with a pool and is right near the Duane Reade. By the time you walk off the pier and through Harborside Financial Center it is 10 minutes

The Street View option doesn't go all the way around the building...you can navigate that window, btw...

TIMBCI

Of course, even GOOGLE PHOTOGRAPHS - WITH the address of 'The Atlantic' and the "Newport to Midtown/39th St. Water Ferry 250-300' away clearly marked - you're still going to keep up your BS? LOL

You've never taken the Newport Water Ferry in your life and you don't 'work out at the gym in Newport every night'. Incessant denials of photographic and other undeniable proof tell your story well. Tale of a young dweeb who lives with his mother nowhere near Newport, Jersey City, NJ.

TIMBCI

Of course, even GOOGLE PHOTOGRAPHS - WITH the address of 'The Atlantic' and the "Newport to Midtown/39th St. Water Ferry 250-300' away clearly marked - you're still going to keep up your BS? LOL

You've never taken the Newport Water Ferry in your life and you don't 'work out at the gym in Newport every night'. Incessant denials of photographic and other undeniable proof tell your story well. Tale of a young dweeb who lives with his mother nowhere near Newport, Jersey City, NJ.

Links for TIMMY: www.drudge.com

#112 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Seriously are you really going to use that argument. I take the Newport Ferry quite frequently when I go to the gym after work. I work out at the Newport Swim & Fitness Center. I do not live with my mother. she was killed when the lesbian militant Janet Reno assassinated David Koresh. I live in downtown Jersey City

Am1st

That's a 6' or so wide sidewalk running in front of the building, not a road. The Hudson's just over the rails. For perspective put the basketball court next to the water ferry end to end and you've got about 250-300' from the lobby (North end) of the Atlantic (lower left rounded shoreline). Under :30 second walk. :15 if you hoof it.

I've taken that ferry to Midtown many times when I visit my buddy and his wife. Incredible view out their 30+ floor riverfront windows. You can see most of Manhattan. Beautiful at night.

TIMBCI

Dude, I've provided all the photographic proof anyone who isn't mentally ill or blind needs.

First you denied the Atlantic exists, then that it isn't anywhere near the Newport Water Ferry (which you said wasn't near any residential buildings - in fact, it's right in FRONT of the apartment building next door to my buddy's as anyone can see from the photos I linked from Google). Yet, you're going to continue to dispute the evidence?

To continue to pity you is the kind thing to do in your case .... :-)

I live in downtown Jersey City

With the owner, Anne?

TIMBCI

Dude, I've provided all the photographic proof anyone who isn't mentally ill or blind needs.

First you denied the Atlantic exists, then that it isn't anywhere near the Newport Water Ferry (which you said wasn't near any residential buildings - in fact, it's right in FRONT of the apartment building next door to my buddy's as anyone can see from the photos I linked from Google). Yet, you're going to continue to dispute the evidence?

To continue to pity you is the kind thing to do in your case .... :-)

#115 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I never denied the Atlantic existed. I said no one I knew has ever heard of it. That FACT has not changed.The ferry in Newport is not near any residential buildings. It is near Harbourside Financial Center. It is at least a 5 minute walk to get outside from the end of the pierto the otherside of the financial center. Why are you lying. It is rather childish. I pity you for not admitting you have never been to Jersey City

TIMMY,

It's obvious you're a habitual liar. No matter how long you repeat the right wing favorite, 'liar', it won't make anything you say true. The Google maps link I posted has a legend on it. See "500 ft" and a I----------------I lower left? That's called a "legend" so you know how far 500' is in the pic.

There is a residential building RIGHT IN FRONT of the Water Ferry dock. The one just below it is my buddy's building. 15 second walk from the Atlantic to the water ferry if you hoof it.

You don't live anywhere near Jersey City.

TIMMY,

It's obvious you're a habitual liar. No matter how long you repeat the right wing favorite, 'liar', it won't make anything you say true. The Google maps link I posted has a legend on it. See "500 ft" and a I----------------I lower left? That's called a "legend" so you know how far 500' is in the pic.

There is a residential building RIGHT IN FRONT of the Water Ferry dock. The one just below it is my buddy's building. 15 second walk from the Atlantic to the water ferry if you hoof it.

You don't live anywhere near Jersey City.

#118 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Son you are a liar. Everyone knows there is a metal fence you have to walk around. It is a good 5 minute walk if you walk quickly but it is more like 10 minutes for old people like yourself.

Furthermore, I have lived in Jersey City since March of 2006. I don't even think you know anyone that lives in Jersey City. I think you are just making shit up. I still think it is funny you are sticking with that story of your "buddy" who owns a big old sailboat and moved to Jersey City to rent an apartment when he owns a house in Ct. Yea that is believable. Let me rent and live in a building with supposedly 90% foreigners. You should become a writer. You have an active imagination