But he still drives a truck!!!

Hahaha, didn't they say he would pass the 'Are you conservative enough facebook survey?' they were going to make Republicans take?

Doesn't sound like it...

Sound like this guy isn't teabagger material, after all!!!

What's up with that, Bibble? You guys tried to pass this guy as one of your 'success stories'.

He sounds more liberal than Obama!!!

Fiscal conservative, social liberal - makes perfect sense as to why he won't vote for current healthcare legislation.

"Sound like this guy isn't teabagger material, after all!!!"
#3 | Posted by axe

This is not what the state run media misinformed you with.

Is there a problem with that stance? Constitutionally the Federal government cannot ban Abortion.

Its not that hard. You cannot legislate morality. I am against wasting time fighting to ban abortion as well. It is stupid, much like the war on drugs. Just because something is available does not mean that you have to do it.

Is there any law that does not impose morality?

But he still drives a truck!!!

He just won't drag any gays behind it!

I'm betting those teabagger klowns proclaiming Brown for President will be shutting up shortly.

Fiscal conservative, social liberal

We need more of them. The best of both worlds.

Is there any law that does not impose morality?

#7 | Posted by Diablo at 2010-02-01 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, the speed limit does not imposer morality. That is a liberty. If one can control the car driving faster, they should be able to, however idiots will think that they can do it too and die, so it is limited. Not a moral concept objectively.

Car insurance, we don't need it, it is for your safety, not a moral necessity.

House insurance and fire insurance and flood insurance when required by state or local mandates. You don't really need them, you are not immoral if you do not have them.

You asked, these are just a couple.

Also, you cannot force a person not to have an abortion, unless you are going to take care of the child properly. If you do not take care of the child properly then you are somewhat immoral. It is definitely better not to have an abortion, and even better yet not to get yourself in a position that you need to get an abortion, however it is not right to try to make people act "morally" in this situation unless you are going to care adequately for the child in question when it is born.

Sounds like Brown represents the views of the people who elected him.

Abortion and welfare are essentially state issues.

The federal issue Brown was elected on is killing ObamaCare, which Brown did on election night.

Read it and weep, Axe. Cry some more when he votes to extend the Bush tax cuts

This type of candidate. Socially libertarian and fiscally conservative, can win a lot of elections. The Repubs need to find more of them.

"The Repubs need to find more of them."

They already have some of them but they face primary races against teabag type candidates. Here in FL rightwinger Rubio is leading moderate Crist.
Crist is a very popular governor but among Republicans right wing extremism seems popular.

"Read it and weep"

I did. I just got the bill.

20 minute appendectomy surgery and about 12 hours in the Hospital = $10,000 in total charges.

I kinda like this guy from the little I know thus far.

Read it and weep, Axe. Cry some more when he votes to extend the Bush tax cuts
#11 | Posted by vernon

Sorry my friend. Not going to happen...

#15 A Republican in MA woudl be a Dem most other places.

Which is what we used to say about a Dem in Texas being a Repub anywhere else... until the real Rove/Bush Righties showed us the difference.

He sounds more liberal than Obama!!!

#3 | Posted by axe

Not quite--

Obama thinks the baby should be left to die if it survives a botched abortion.

And Obama believes in partial birth abortion as well.

And Obama believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

Brown did not run on social issues--but rather the 41st vote to kill the HC bill and he won.

"Obama thinks the baby should be left to die if it survives a botched
abortion."

You're a fuckin' liar.

There was already a law on the book protecting the baby, and Obama has stated as much.

I am not lying--he voted for the bill.

You can try to explain it away and call me names--blah blah blah.

But you can't get around he voted for the bill.

The entire premise of this thread is flawed - that all conservatives fit into the stereotype of hard-right christian bigots, and should therefore be "embarrassed" or "shocked" that Brown holds these views. Liberals' insistence on defining the right via their vocal fringe only makes them look stupid when elections turn out the way this one did. The very fact that so many conservatives voted for Brown despite his views on abortion and gay marriage is the story. The more radical the left's economic policies become, the more appealing guys like Scott Brown will be.

They already have some of them but they face primary races against teabag type candidates.

Tea party candidates are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Crist is anti-gay, anti-abortion and pro Stimulus. That is the polar opposite of a tea party candidate. Are you paying attention to what you're typing?

Tea party candidates are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Crist is anti-gay, anti-abortion and pro Stimulus. That is the polar opposite of a tea party candidate. Are you paying attention to what you're typing?

#22 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2010-02-02 12:21 PM

Pretty clear you are not.

Pretty clear you are not.

Well you've got your big boy pants on this morning Kanrei, what did I miss?

Fiscal conservative, social liberal

We need more of them. The best of both worlds.

Heck, I think I fit that bill.

What did you miss? What did you get right?

Tea party candidates are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Crist is anti-gay, anti-abortion

ROFLMAO

#7
Is there any law that does not impose morality?

plenty, let's start with those laws of the War on Drugs.

can't think that through? listen to these two men:

"Obama thinks the baby should be left to die if it survives a botched abortion"

This is a Window into the Mind of a Committed WingDing!

Note how it makes Perfect Sense to them the Logic of a Doctor "Saving" something they just were contracted to get rid of.

What I would like to know is what is the billing code for "saving" an "aborted" baby?

What's it called, the restore aborted baby procedure (the industry has a Code for EVERY Procedure and Sub procedure they perform).

See, obama didn't write the billing codes, therefore if one doesn't exist, (i.e. the restore aborted baby procedure) then it's the Medical Industry you should be Displaying Your Stupidity Too (i.e. the ones who aren't saving aborted babies)!

America has the Best Healthcare in the World --- even though it doesn't have a medical procedure to restore an aborted fetus.

Oh, and its all obamas fault

Sincerely murph

#27
Friedman = Nobel, not Pulitzer (sorry)

What did you miss? What did you get right?

Tea party candidates are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Yes.

Crist is anti-gay, anti-abortion

Yes.

Crist is fiscally liberal and socially conservative, even if he is a closeted gay.

Beck and Palin did not create the tea party movement no matter how many times the partisan hacks say so.

-Beck and Palin did not create the tea party

More like Dick Armey did

"(the industry has a Code for EVERY Procedure and Sub procedure they perform)."

Only when the government got involved, and this is called progress......

How about the do you can to save a life CODE? Nah, it is not progressive enough, have to keep those government employees busy, and pass out money to thier supporters, you know the ones that create the codes the AMA.

More like Dick Armey did

Nope...Ron Paul did. He was talking about populist issues and raising money under the tea party banner years before Dick Armey came up with his "tea party idea".

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2010-02-02 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Joe, appreciated and understood. Just like not all dems are liberals. However, I think it isn't that more conservatives voted for Brown, I think it's a result of more independents voting for Brown. I will say that it appears he is closer to a Goldwater type republican than any other republican I can think of - which is a plus in my book.

"Nope...Ron Paul did."

So Dick Armey was a Ron Paul Supporter?

Let's see his endorsement (of Ron Paul).

obvously Dick Armey would have endoresed Ron Paul for the Presidency.

what's all this about "social liberal"?

aren't you all mixing civil and social in away you probably do NOT agree with?

for example: Libertarians believe in civil freedoms: right to drugs, sex, etc.; social liberals believe in things like [social] safety nets: food stamps, public assistance, universal healthcare.

one is "run" by the individual and his pr her own personal morals/values; the other is necessarily run by government.

saying you are a fiscal conservative and social liberal... well, i suppose it can make sense.

#28 | Posted by Redneckville

It is murder idiot--you are quite vile.

Just as Expected.

I find Endorsement after Endorsement from Armey for "conservatives" like Bush (i.e. not conservative, but republicans) and Not One for Ron Paul OR any Libertarian OR Independent.

Its "republican" across the Board.

So do you want to rethink this new strategy of pretending Dick Armey didn't create the Teabaggers?

-Nope...Ron Paul did

Paul used "tea parties" as fundraising devices. He didn't initiate a movement party called The Tea Party.

Of course, in a few years, unless they take over the GOP completely, people will be denying ever having been associated with the TP.

I find Endorsement after Endorsement from Armey for "conservatives" like Bush (i.e. not conservative, but republicans) and Not One for Ron Paul OR any Libertarian OR Independent.
Its "republican" across the Board.

No shit...because he's a fake populist. Dick Armey's job is to co-opt the tea party movement into the left/right noise machine...and all mainstream media wants it to happen to keep the existing power structures intact.

So do you want to rethink this new strategy of pretending Dick Armey didn't create the Teabaggers?

Not strategy. Reality.

Ron Paul would turn Federally guaranteed (read: the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence) inalienable freedoms and liberty over to not one (as it mainly is now and has been) but 50 countries known as "the states". NO THANKS.

"It is murder idiot--you are quite vile."
Umm, abortion is Legal.

Regardless, it takes a special mind (special ed) to think that an Industry that doesn't have a procedure to reverse the procedure they just preformed (as if that's not stupid enough for you) is magically the blame of one man

Like I said, your anger is misdirected and is supported only by pure stupidity

If this angers you so, take it up with the people who are in control of it ------ the Medical Industry.
Perhaps you could form a PAC that Demands the Government to create a government agency to Mandate Doctors Perfect a Technique for Reassembly of an Aborted Fetus ------ That sounds about your speed!

Ron Paul would turn Federally guaranteed (read: the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence) inalienable freedoms and liberty over to not one (as it mainly is now and has been) but 50 countries known as "the states". NO THANKS.

Link?

"Dick Armey's job is to co-opt the tea party movement into the left/right noise machine"

So now Dick Armey is all bipartisan in co-opting the teabaggers?

You fucking people are getting more ridiculous by the day.

But just for giggles:
Where is the Teabaggers Endorsement of Ron Paul, then?

One would think that Ron Paul Supporters (which you say is the Teabag Base) would at least pay homage to its creator.
Where is this Homage?

I just browsed the Teabagger Master site.

No References to Ron Paul and it Doesn't Look like Ron has Been Invited to Speak, Either ----- ever.

Nope, it looks like this is Just another Washington Insiders (Dick Armey and the MSM) ploy to co-opt Ron Paul Supporters into their historically ignorant and easily manipulated ranks.

Brown isn't liberal on gay issues.

Barbara Walters is just a lousy journalist.

Brown isn't liberal on gay issues.

Barbara Walters is just a lousy journalist.

#49 | Posted by BobSF_94117

Brown will have to choose sides. Gay militarism is violent and trying to take away my Bill of Rights. They must be stopped. Chrisitne Quinn is a good example as a gay militant masquerading as part of the mainstream. If she ever is elected mayor look out

"and trying to take away my Bill of Rights."

Name one.

"and trying to take away my Bill of Rights."

Name one.

I have had several gay militants threaten me. They have tried to use threats of violence to shut me up. I doubt the founders imagined a world where Adam & Steve and their collaborators would run the colonies

"I have had several gay militants threaten me."

That is an act by individuals, not by the movement. You still haven't named a right that gays, by getting equality, would take from you.

"I doubt the founders imagined a world where Adam & Steve and their collaborators would run the colonies"

And I doubt they imagined a world where computers and airplanes exist. So?

have had several gay militants threaten me.

#52 | Posted by timbci at 2010-02-02 02:18 PM

Are you positive that them saying "we are gonna fuck you up" wasn't a proposition?

They have tried to use threats of violence to shut me up.

Just remember, what doesn't destroy you makes you whinier...

So now Dick Armey is all bipartisan in co-opting the teabaggers?
You fucking people are getting more ridiculous by the day.

Who said anything about bipartisan? It's about pigeonholing those who are pissed off at BOTH parties into neat little groups to pit against each other.

I know that is a lot for your "dem=good and rep=bad" peabrain to comprehend, but snuffing out the tea party is essential to maintaining the existing power structures for raping the American taxpayer blind.

Hmmmhe is "liberal" on that should be states rightes issues, sounds conservative to me

A Republican in MA woudl be a Dem most other places.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-02 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ever heard of Mitt Romney?

A Republican in MA woudl be a Dem most other places.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2010-02-02 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ever heard of Mitt Romney?

#58 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-02-02 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

He does not count - he is a Mormon

#59 |Posted by Corky at 2010-02-02 4:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Typical.

-He does not count - he is a Mormon

I see the Strawman factory is operational again.

It must come in handy for those who have to attribute fake posts to others when they cannot retort others real posts.

-Ever heard of Mitt Romney?

That was the point, Brown is a Romney clone.

Romney with a pickup.

Brown voted for state-wide health care in Mass. It's state-wide universal care like the Fed bill. He also said we can't keep the Bush tax cuts. ...How is he a fiscal conservative?

I have had several gay militants threaten me.

Did you find their hairstyles intimidating, or were you afraid that one of them might sneeze and give you AIDS?

#52 | POSTED BY TIMBCI
"I have had several gay militants threaten me. "

Sounds like they were using self-defense.

There goes his chance for seeking national office.
His positions violate GOP orthodoxy.

Brown is a classic example of purity test fail.

goodluck getting those congressional numbers back up in Nov., they're gonna need it.

The Republicans are learning from the Democrats, who seem to have forgotten. As the GOP moves more into the center and the DNC keeps circling their wagons, November is going to go very badly for the DNC.

Being a tea partier is about fiscal responsibility - it's not about social issues. It think Scott Brown is EXACTLY what this conservative is looking for - fiscal responsibility and social freedom. Sounds great - and is exactly why I'm against the current version(s) of health care reform coming out of our congress.

Being a tea partier is about projecting and hoping. They so far have not stood for anything other than being against Obama and collecting the losing elements of the GOP. Sarah Palin, the spokesmodel for the Teaparty movement, is VERY far from not being about social issues.

I don't think you'll find any group where every single participant shares all ideological values. The tea party movement is the same - Sarah Palin is about social issues - she's also about fiscal conservatism. That doesn't mean all people who support the ideas of the tea partiers are also about social conservatism. The movement was formed as a backlash against profligate government spending by BOTH parties - but particularly right now. Our best years (in budget terms) have been when the White House and congress have been held by different parties and held each other accountable. This isn't happening now and I doubt would happen with both a Republic administration and Republican congress. What we need is checks and balances and not both sides pushing each other down this slippery spending slope.

I agree, but the Tea Party is not the path to that goal IMHO. It is mostly being represented by failure members of the GOP and rabid right wing radio hosts. They may have centrist goals, but their public perception is one of "extreme right wing petty anger."