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Sunday, January 31, 2010

President Barack Obama and his allies in Congress intend to force Republicans, through a series of upcoming votes, to choose between Wall Street's high fliers and Main Street's middle-class workers. Obama recently told Time, "It'll be interesting to see how some, who have tried to exploit legitimate anger at the big banks this year by trying to put it on us, are going to position themselves -- whether in fact they're going to want to protect all these financial institutions from the regulations that will prevent the kind of disaster that we've seen over the past couple of years."

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Fucking idiots should have been working on jobs all along, instead of spending valuable time buying off Sen. and Reps to vote for the healtcare monstrosity. I hope they lose their progressive asses this coming fall.

Jobs ain't coming back and you are a fool to think Congress can do anything to bring them back.

"Jobs aren't coming back...."

Not as long as the screaming Chinese will work for $5.00 and hour when Americans need $10.00.

Ah, competition---That great race to the bottom. At least for ordinary folk.

Oh, for the days of Henry Ford, who stated Americans were poor because they are lazy before sending private security forces out to kill hungry workers.

It's just the truth that if the Haitians were better educated as a nation there'd be factories there by the dozen taking advantage of a workforce that would sincerely see $4.00 day as windfall.

That would be sweet justice in regards to the Chinese. But Americans would be faced with getting on rafts to go to Haiti.

This "wonderfull" administration does not understand how jobs and the economy work (pardon the pun). Why? Because the vast majority of them have never worked in the private sector. Yet somehow Obama was able to claim in campaign speeches that he could fix the economy. What Obama doesn't understand is socialism only works until you run out of someone else's money. NEWS FLASH We are out of money.

NEWS FLASH We are out of money.

#5 | Posted by JasonSmiles

Nonsense! The 5% at the top of this graph, those who have benefited the most from economic policy over the last few decades (also known fondly as Bush's base), have plenty of money.

www.faculty.fairfield.edu

They also had plenty of money when the top marginal tax rate was much higher, over the middle part of the 20th century.

www.truthandpolitics.org

Some of them have just gotten excessively greedy.

Robert Nardelli's the poster child. $400,000,000 for 5 years at Home Depot during which time their stock tanked, they lost market share, and his hourly employees were stuck at $8 an hour.

He made $38,461 an hour.


It's just the truth that if the Haitians were better educated as a nation there'd be factories there by the dozen taking advantage of a workforce that would sincerely see $4.00 day as windfall.

That would be sweet justice in regards to the Chinese. But Americans would be faced with getting on rafts to go to Haiti.

#4 | Posted by Zed

Don't sell the Chinese short. I would not be surprised to see just such factories in Haiti in a few years, built by the Chinese, who will have realized that they can save shipping expenses by manufacturing cheaply, so close to the consumers.

Robert Nardelli's the poster child. $400,000,000 for 5 years at Home Depot during which time their stock tanked, they lost market share, and his hourly employees were stuck at $8 an hour.

He made $38,461 an hour.

#7 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Then he went to Chrysler where he really was successful---the number of Americans who made big bucks in the 90's and early 2000's and were at the same time incompetent was amazing. But that's what happens when there is loose money in a system and the cons in various ares through "networking" and other ways establish positions where they can make a ton through nefarious ways and BS.

I want to see how these shit-stained Rethugs are going to explain why they voted against Jobs Bills!!!

Obstructions assholes will lose big in 2010!!!

But it thought populism was racism?! How can this be!? It must be his white half doing this.

I imagine Obama sitting in the Oval Office trying to make decissions and on one shoulder there is a small little Obama all black and on the other shoulder a white Obama each one telling him to do this, or the other, that the other guy is wrong.

I would love to see Obama and the Dems explain to an angry populist mob why their ATMs fees went up shyhight because of their anti-banking bullshit.

Bwahahahahaha!

First he wanted them to make loans.

Then he said "we want our money back"

Guess he has trouble figuring out what he wants.

As ZombieHunter said "fools like that invariably hang themselves if you give them enough rope."

Right from the Dem's playbook: "Class warfare"
The folks who have the money create jobs, not the ass-clowns in Washington.

November can't get here soon enough!

explain to an angry populist mob why their ATMs fees went up shyhight because of their anti-banking bullshit.

#12 | Posted by member2586

I think the big banks may have a hard time explaining why fee's go up so drasticaly, while huge bonuses and salaries are still going to top exec's, and while smaller, local banks haven't done the same with fee's. It doesn't seem like it should be problem for Obama, at all.

The folks who have the money create jobs,

#14 | Posted by Docsmooth

Then why aren't they doing so?

Why are the folks who have money not creating jobs? In a word: UNCERTAINTITY.

While stupid cliched Hollywood movies and TV series tells us to be impulsive and live in the moment, business people like to plan things out. It's hard to plan things out in this climate when you don't know what kind of new crazy laws will be passed (health care reform, cap and tax, employee intimidation act, etc). As a result. most people are just trying to get by and to stay in business, daily operations are the top concerns as opposed to strategic planning. It ain't rocket science.

#16 Whatsleft

That's exactly what I want to know, too.

As far as huge salaries, well, government employees earn on average $30,000 per year more than the average for everyone. When Obama can explain that, then the banks can explain their huge salaries.

#17 Member

So the longer the Repubs continue to obstruct anything that the Dems try to pass, the longer the uncertainty will last, and thus the economy will be worse off in the end. Thanks a lot!

#19 Member

The guys with the gargantuan salaries aren't paying their employees enough, how's that for an explanation?

You don't think bank employee earn enough? Funny, I've never heard bankers complaining they can't recrurit people to work for them. I've never heard of illegal aleisns for instance working at banks 'cause Americans won't do those jobs at that pay.

Republicans obstruct because if the crazy laws the Dems propose passed, then it would be bad for the economy in the long term, whereas uncertainty is bad for the short term.

It's a tought decision. Do you sacrifice long tern economic performance for the sake of short term economic gain?

Many who work on Wall Street are middle class you fool. An mid-level auditor or operations employee makes about $70,000=$120,000. Hardly wealthy for NYC.

The liberals know that Wall Street salaries are not as high as they portray them to be. Elitists and Jews who went to Harvard with Obama are making several million a year. People who went to St. John's and work in a support role are often making less than gov't employees.

As a result. most people are just trying to get by and to stay in business

Yes, that's exactly what most individuals and people with small businesses are trying to do, but those aren't the people with real money, who create jobs as implied. Small businesses do create jobs, when there is a fair certainty of profitability. Otherwise small business can't afford any significant risk. The people with big money don't really have those worries. The statement was "The folks who have the money create jobs". So I'll ask again: Why aren't the people with money creating jobs (or at least accepting the risk and investing with someone who will)?

#24 | Posted by timbci

Nobody is talking about "mid-level employees" here, dipshit.

#23 Member

Dem laws are "crazy," sure, whatever. Just let the big-money corporations continue to sell us all out, watch the upper income bracket relentlessly grow while the middle class disappears and all the lower class has available for jobs is working at Wal-Mart. Free market, baby!

Republicans obstruct because if the crazy laws the Dems propose passed, then it would be bad for the economy in the long term, whereas uncertainty is bad for the short term.

#23 | Posted by member2586

You're getting close. Republicans obstruct because they hope it might give them an advantage at the ballet box in the next election. It has little to do with the good of the country. In all fairness, Dems have done the same. Either way the fact that they obstruct, instead of working together towards reasonable solutions, is bad for all of us.

all the lower class has available for jobs is working at Wal-Mart. Free market, baby!

#27 | Posted by Scrumplet

The lower class works at Walmart because they have no job skills and no education.

WHAT-
Reps obstruct because the people who sent them (and the pols themselves) aren't in favor of the sorts of things BHO and the Dem-led Congress favor.

All that said, it's easy to sit back and oppose without having accountability for making things tick. Look at Dems with Dubya and the war. Now that Dems run the whole show, how much... fundamentally... has really changed after a year in office?

My understanding is that Dems have shut Reps out of the process. NC Senator Richard Burr was on local radio the other day talking about how Reps have been excluded from offering alternate plans... basically told to sit down and shut up. Now, you can choose to believe him or not... but if what he's saying has a grain of truth, then labeling Reps as simply 'The Party of No' is only half the story. Sure, they're "No" regarding BHO's plans, but they've been precluded from officially offering their own plan.

#28 Whatsleft

It's like both parties are at both ends of an upside-down U curve of performance, dragging the apex down lower than the level of our real potential. Or, like Lewis Black says, the plane is headed straight for a cliff, and the pilot and co-pilot are Dem and Repub, fighting over the controls, increasing the speed of the plane toward its ultimate demise.

Nobody is talking about "mid-level employees" here, dipshit.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft

Actually they are. Anything that affects the top of the food chain will mostly definitely affect the bottom.

If banks are forced to get rid of propietary trading support staff will be laid off. If Traders P&L is reduced as a result of "reform" bonuses will be reduced. Who do you think will get a smaller bonus, the trader from Harvard or the desks support staff.

TIM-
You're correct (regarding WalMart) when the economy is decent. As an employment consultant I'm witnessing many people applying for jobs they'd never consider in normal times.

To the workers' credit they want a job vs simply collecting unemployment $$$.

As things rebound you'll see a return to your comment... that the unskilled will fill those WalMart roles.

If the President wanted to adopt a truly populist stance regarding banks, he'd get rid of Geithner.

LET'S FIX THIS:

"Right from the Dem's playbook: "Class warfare"
The folks who have the money create jobs [IN ASIA], not the ass-clowns in Washington.
November can't get here soon enough!

#14 | POSTED BY DOCSMOOTH"

My understanding is that Dems have shut Reps out of the process. NC Senator Richard Burr was on local radio the other day talking about how Reps have been excluded from offering alternate plans... basically told to sit down and shut up. Now, you can choose to believe him or not... but if what he's saying has a grain of truth, then labeling Reps as simply 'The Party of No' is only half the story. Sure, they're "No" regarding BHO's plans, but they've been precluded from officially offering their own plan.

#30 | POSTED BY OOHRAH

Not quite true. They were invited to play throughout the summer. They offered numerous amendments. And then refused to vote for anything. And now when its to be passed over their head, they filibuster.

The lower class works at Walmart because they have no job skills and no education.

#29 | Posted by timbci

There are a lot of college graduates working at Wal-Mart right now, because a shit job is better than no job.

Reps obstruct because the people who sent them (and the pols themselves) aren't in favor of the sorts of things BHO and the Dem-led Congress favor.

The Reps punditry generally has convinced it's base that almost everything the other side does or stands for should be opposed. Then the Reps can continue to work from a preconceived position.

All that said, it's easy to sit back and oppose without having accountability for making things tick. Look at Dems with Dubya and the war. Now that Dems run the whole show, how much... fundamentally... has really changed after a year in office?

The Dems didn't obstruct some parts of Dubya's fabulous adventure in Iraq nearly enough, but how could they when to do so would have had them painted as un-American at every turn.

If Dems really ran the whole show wouldn't they have come up with an HC plan that included single payer, instead of bending to the will of the town-screamers?

My understanding is that Dems have shut Reps out of the process.

Your understanding? Whybecause that's what the Reps have told you, and you of course believe them? The Dems have said the exact opposite. They've said that anytime the Reps would like to sit down at the table and present ideas, they would be welcome. I could choose to say that it's "my understanding" that Reps have done nothing but obstruct. I would suspect that it's actually some of both, and I'm sure we'll never agree on percentages.

The point is, partisanship from both sides has killed reasonable discussion within our government. It's got to stop. I acknowledge fairly frequently that lack of cooperation by both parties is the significant problem. I rarely see Oohrah and others do the same.

I think the big banks may have a hard time explaining why fee's go up so drasticaly, while huge bonuses and salaries are still going to top exec's, and while smaller, local banks haven't done the same with fee's. It doesn't seem like it should be problem for Obama, at all.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft

Your problem is obvious. You need to pull your money out of the big bank with the big fees and put it in the small bank with the small fees. WTF is your problem?

You need to pull your money out of the big bank with the big fees and put it in the small bank with the small fees. WTF is your problem?

#41 | Posted by Sniper

My bank is currently not charging large fees. Member2586 was implying that the banks would start charging large ATM fees if Obama had his way.

Perhaps Member needs to take your advise.

I use a community bank. Mainly because they are the only bank in town that will let me open an account.

So the longer the Repubs continue to obstruct anything that the Dems try to pass, the longer the uncertainty will last, and thus the economy will be worse off in the end. Thanks a lot!

Hey scrumplet, the Dems have the numbers to pass anything they want. They don't want to do anything without at least one Repub voting for it too (you know, bipartisanship stuff). The problem is, the Dems are inept at doing their jobs ...and afraid to loose their seats come November.

more meaningless political machinations.

if he were serious, he would start by firing most of his cabinet.

...and put some soy-based pre-starter in the trough.

For the pigs.

The new pigs.

At the trough.

"Anything that affects the top of the food chain will mostly definitely affect the bottom."
--TIMBICILE... i'm sure MEMBERX agrees.

are you guys some of the talking morons on FAUXnews?
go away.

This "wonderfull" administration does not understand how jobs and the economy work (pardon the pun). Why? Because the vast majority of them have never worked in the private sector. Yet somehow Obama was able to claim in campaign speeches that he could fix the economy. What Obama doesn't understand is socialism only works until you run out of someone else's money. NEWS FLASH We are out of money.

#5 | Posted by JasonSmiles at 2010-01-30 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

George Bush called himself the 'CEO President' even though he ran 3 Companies straight into bankruptcy. I guess his private sector experience didn't help him too much. You do remember that this economy tanked under Herr Bush, no?

Not a deflection, simply a fact.

Not a deflection, simply a fact.

The two are not mutually exclusive

"Anything that affects the top of the food chain will mostly definitely affect the bottom."
--TIMBICILE... i'm sure MEMBERX agrees.

are you guys some of the talking morons on FAUXnews?
go away.

#47 | Posted by ichiro

Son you need to face the facts. If Obama forces banks to go rid of propietary trading, revenue generation will suffer. If trading desks have a signifigant decrease in production credits, traders are not going to take big pay cuts. That is not how wall street works. They would look to move to the buy side where the bonuses are better. Business managers would look to cut costs. Operations, Finance, accounting, auditing are all cost centers. They are paid for out of the budgets from the front office. Cost cutting would include layoffs, automation, outsourcing, consultants instead of employees with bennies.

Getting rid of prop desks creates opens a huge can of worms. Does this include Equities? Getting rid of OTC market makers destroys liquidity. It could possibly destroy liquity in some products like Bank Debt. If Banks can't hold position in Bank Debt where is the liquidity. Only movement would be when Banks could match Buyers against Sellers. Why use Banks at all. Just let be get a fee for loan servicing and syndicate deals. Of course a firm like Marit could step into the void and develop a cental trading exchange.

Ichiro. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Go back to Japan and smell schoolgirls underwear.

Reminds me of a sailing ship at sea...without a keel. Subject to going whichever way the wind blows instead of following any course to a port.

Then why aren't they doing so?

#16 | Posted by Whatsleft

Stupid question but I will answer it.

1)Cap and Trade is hanging over their heads.
2)Big taxes to pay for FREE healthcare is hanging over their heads.
3)Big tax increases to pay for the out of control spending hanging over their heads.
4)Threatened tax increases for all making over $250k.
5)Bush tax cute will expire.

How many reasons do you need?

In a dress rehearsal for this November's mid-term election, Democrats and Republicans vied last week for who could denounce the banks and blame the other party the most for the giveaways to Wall Street that have swollen the public debt since September 2008, pushing the federal budget into deficit and the economy into a slump.

Obama strong-armed Democratic senators to re-appoint Ben Bernanke as Federal Reserve Chairman. The $13 trillion giveaway is the latest transformation of American democracy into Oligarchy. People might not like it, but Main Street simply cannot prosper without creating hundreds of Wall Street billionaires who must increase their bonuses and capital gains by quadrupling bank stock prices. Not to worry, it's all to get credit flowing again, at 30% for credit card users.

The rationale is that unless the government gives the large financial institutions what they want and saves them from taking a loss, their "incentive" to protect the economy from devastation will be gone.

In Bernanke's world, the more regulation there is, the more consumers will have to pay. Could George Bush have gotten away with it? Democrats have a friendlier and more compassionate face, but the substance remains the same.

Overshadowed by Obama's evening speech, Messrs. Geithner and Paulson avoided the Washington ploy of saying that they couldn't recall anything about their giveaways. The past and present Treasury Secretaries brazened it out. Using the Plausible Deniability defense, they claimed that they weren't even in the loop when it came to paying AIG enough to turn around and pay Goldman Sachs and other arbitrageurs 100 cents on the dollar for securities worth about a fifth as much. When there was no way to dodge, they frankly admitted what had happened, providing helpful pieties to the effect that it is the job of Congress to change the law to make sure nothing like this happens again. The government's wheeler-dealer insiders have been changing their story again and again not usually a sign of truthfulness.

Geithner closed his own comments by saying, "if you are outraged by what happened with A.I.G., then you should be deeply committed to financial reform." This is rhetorical judo. The financial system in question is not the economy at large. It was A.I.G.'s carefully segregated bookies' account for wealthy hedge fund gambles and Wall Street speculations that should have had little to do with the "real" economy at all.

excerpted from Michael Hudson

Bottom Line you cannot actually be Populist when you support people like Bernanke and Geithner.

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