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Wednesday, January 27, 2010

In a new memoir, the wife of defrocked gay evangelist Ted Haggard has declared that he's "cured" of his homosexual compulsions. "Our sexuality is conditioned, and we can be conditioned in any number of ways," said Gayle Haggard, who has written Why I Stayed: The Choices I Made In My Darkest Hour.

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Oh, Jesus Horatio Christ.

Is there anyone more delusional than a woman who thinks she's such a goddess that gay men are panting to get off their knees and fuck her silly?

He's playing you, honey, because it makes it easier to play himself.

Prediction: Your book's going to be a gay collector's item once Ted is caught again, like Anita Bryant records are now.

Once a queer, always a queer.

Doers she record the time and date that Ted decided to be gay? And if he was "conditioned" to be gay, doesn't that refelect on her lack of wifely abilities.

If Haggard's no longer gay-I'm Prince Phillip of Macedonia.

Who knows, maybe she finally decided it was OK with Jesus if she kissed it.

in the name of christ. what a total crock of shit by a pair of thieves. the ex pope of the evangelist movement

Once a dick-smoking, rump-ranging cockjockey, well, always a dick-smoking, rump-ranging cockjockey....

ever notice how the fucking libs "pile on" and ass rape any fag not their own?

Oh, Jesus Horatio Christ.
Is there anyone more delusional than a woman who thinks she's such a goddess that gay men are panting to get off their knees and fuck her silly?
He's playing you, honey, because it makes it easier to play himself.
Prediction: Your book's going to be a gay collector's item once Ted is caught again, like Anita Bryant records are now.
#1 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2010-01-27 07:22 PM

Between ultra-conservative Scooter Libby's pedo-bestial-sadism extravaganza and Gayle Haggards hurricanrana evangelisimo I want to be the first to read them on Youtube.

Once a queer, always a queer.
#2 | Posted by wurster at 2010-01-27 07:36 PM

From personal knowledge and experience, or is that somewhere in scripture? People are more complex than you imply.

No, he was never gay. Just bisexual and into meth.

She tattooed her face on the back of all his gay lovers and cured him of his homosexuality.

AwwHaa! Haaw Haaaw Haaaw Haaw!

.... oh well...

www.buzzle.com

So the dude doesn't have the right to self identify when it comes to his sexuality?

Once a mans privates have been inside your rectum, how do you say it never happened.

"Once a mans privates have been inside your rectum, how do you say it never happened."

Before you just copped to it in this post, I would have believed your denial.

I am force to stop laughing to throw up a comment... Deny deny deny. If you deny long enough it is perceived as the truth. He must have done a lot of denying to her. That and she is pretty naive.

"So the dude doesn't have the right to self identify when it comes to his sexuality?"

Yes, he does, absolutely. It's just that the relapse rate on these "miracle" religiously-based conversions is extremely, extremely high.

For that reason, you're going to see some skepticism. Make that a lot of skepticism.

He still looks like a fag. There is the possibility that some are "conditioned" to be gay... he... however looks hard wired from birth. Just cause he quit waxing beans doesn't mean he went straight.

"He still looks like a fag."

I never thought I'd see the day when I would be defending Ted Haggard, but you seem to be confusing clean, pressed shirts and a decent haircut with sexual orientation.

I never thought I'd see the day when I would be defending Ted Haggard, but you seem to be confusing clean, pressed shirts and a decent haircut with sexual orientation.

MTW, I would not have put it as harshly as rightistrite, but he does look gay. Some gay people have that "look". He's got it. It has nothing to do with his natty attire.

True to her religion, Mrs. Haggard still believes that men are "made" gay (as opposed to the biological explanation).

OTOH, what did anyone expect her to say? "Yes, I know my husband is gay but I decided to keep him anyway."

Get real.

When your whole life is based on keeping up appearances, her choices are very limited. And who knows . . . maybe in a couple more years memories will fade and Haggard can start suckering in a whole new congregation.


Goatie:

I don't see it myself, but then I always award extra points to anyone, of either gender and no matter what proclivities, who is trying to look well-groomed in this nasty-ass modern world we live in.

I don't see it myself, but then I always award extra points to anyone, of either gender and no matter what proclivities, who is trying to look well-groomed in this nasty-ass modern world we live in.

I'd get no points from you, then. LOL. The only time I get new clothes is when my 70 YO aunt Mary in Denison, TX sees me in an old Tshirt and shorts. She'll say "(first two names), I'm taking you shopping." Then I have to drive her to the department store and spend a couple of hours trying on clothes she picks out of the rack and makes me buy. I hate doing it, but no one says "no" to Aunt Mary. LOL

Well, if I can presume to give anyone who wants to get laid a piece of advice, there is no aphrodisiac like the sight of freshly pressed clothes and the smell of soap and water.

And Old Spice . . .

Jus' sayin' guys.

Well, if I can presume to give anyone who wants to get laid a piece of advice, there is no aphrodisiac like the sight of freshly pressed clothes and the smell of soap and water.

I may not be nattily attired, but I do keep myself clean, MTW. And yes, I've heard the ZZ Top song. *grin*

And Old Spice . . .

Jus' sayin' guys.

That's a yea or nay for Old Spice, twinpac? I miss the gist of your post.

GOATMAN

I was adding another aphrodisiac to MARYTYERWHORE comment about the smell of soap and water.

I was adding another aphrodisiac to MARYTYERWHORE comment about the smell of soap and water.

That's what I thought you meant, but I wanted to make sure because my wife hated Old Spice. I didn't know if it was just her, or most women. She liked me to use Aqua Velva as an aftershave, though.

GOATMAN

Each to her own.

When I said "Old Spice" I was also thinking . . .

((Oh, such fond memoried that brings back.))

LOL

Also, you probably missed the thread we had here about the TRUE location of a woman's G-spot. Maybe you were on shore.

Lisa and I tried to tell the guys that it's in her head but finding it would involve things like "talking" and "expressing emotion" (Oh, the horror) so our advice was roundly ridiculed.

A nice manly frangrance plays a large role in a woman's responses. You may be aware of that but it's surprising how many others aren't.

Gayle Haggard: "I know he isn't gay because he hasn't called me Frank for over a year in the bedroom".

Haggard's Wife: He's No Longer Gay

Well, not since she got some of these for him...

I'm not bi-ing this.

dildos for him.

Some men are not necessarily gay just because they screw any thing that walks, with two legs or four. Take Cheney or Limbaugh for example. Sometimes guys like them and Haggard just act out of desperation. Any port in the storm as the cliche goes.

Take Cheney or Limbaugh for example

Do you have any proof of your allegation, or is it just a spank-time fantasy of yours?

RINGMASTER

Shame on you. Cheney and Limbaugh probably haven't been able to get it up for years.

Other than that, I agree with your "any port in a storm."

"Besides, God told us you must send money", she continued.

So the dude doesn't have the right to self identify when it comes to his sexuality?

The way an individual self-identifies can be a form of self-deception.

I can't seem to find the right word to describe her: delusional? Ignorant? Stupid? uneducated? denial?

I have a friend who just stopped being left-handed. herm

"...Once a dick-smoking, rump-ranging cockjockey, well, always a dick-smoking, rump-ranging cockjockey...#7 | Posted by American1st

Hey, I enjoy dick-smoking and rump-ranging every day and so does my husband.

So your point is what?

I never thought I'd see the day when I would be defending Ted Haggard, but you seem to be confusing clean, pressed shirts and a decent haircut with sexual orientation.

Nope Mary... he looks like a fag.. i don't care what he was wearing.. the guy sets off more gaydar than Troy Perry. I think a lot of righty tighty conservative uber ministers do and are... they have just turned to Jeheezus cause they are afraid of the 3 letter word that begins with "G".

I also think he is broke... and his wife is now gonna need to be the bread winner... so she writes a tell all book of salvation.

A nice manly frangrance plays a large role in a woman's responses. You may be aware of that but it's surprising how many others aren't.
#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2010-01-28 03:38 AM

Old Spice is rather nice - very masculine. I like minimal and organic, thus all of my mental Irish garderners smell of fresh moss and lavender.

For going out dancing I tend to like classic Fahrenheit on other men ('cause it mellows well) versus something "old-money" like Gucci for professional interviews. Each persons chemistry changes the perfumes odor and I've been told repeatedly Gautier works well with mine.

Womens scents and accouterments are vast - birthdays are perfect for Sephora. Plus, they send handsome gifts in their orders and have an interesting description-based scent shopper.

Not gay, just happy?

Yea Right!

He's a shorter ghey.

#44 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-28 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Gheyer than Kevin Spacey

REDLIGHTROBOT

For going out dancing I tend to like classic Fahrenheit on other men

Okey-dokey

Ted Haggard aint ghey?

The guy who got caught snorting coke out of a male prostitutes butt crack?

That guy?

Sez who?

His beard er ...wife, who stuck by him in order to preserve the facade she's been keeping up all these years?

LOL.

Not only does she get to be a hero to the rtarded fundie right but she also gets to cash in on a book deal.

Gayle Haggard, who has written Why I Stayed: The Choices I Made In My Darkest Hour.

Denial is a choice.

Gay is not.

Learn that, Fundos.

Be Well.

Great news, Haggards, now go away.

Nancy Pelosi's daughter is a film-maker and has actually befriended Ted Haggard since his fall.

I saw the documentary she made where she spent time with him as he tries to rebuild his life and he freely admitted that he still had homosexual thoughts (this was several years back) and he really seemed like a decent man.

The church he created voted him out and then took his house. He was living in Hotel rooms with his family as he traveled the country looking for work. He ended up selling insurance door-to-door at the end of the film.

Good. God. Amighty.

I found out that Haggard still has a Website, and I paid a visit. You will find no mention in his bio of what caused him to lose his church or his ministry, other than:

"In the fall of 2006, Ted Haggard suffered a personal and family crisis causing him to resign from his positions as senior pastor of New Life Church and president of the NAE."

The rest of his bio there is about how big his church was, and about how he was buds with Dubya, Blair and Sharon, stuff like that. It's as if the scandal had never happened, like he's a legend in his own mind. Here's a link if you wanna look:

www.tedhaggard.com

Can someone tell me why my friend, who used to be gay, said all his hetero friends and family were fine with him when he decided he was gay and came out of the closet,
but all his gay friends and family rejected him, made fun of him and rebuked him when he decided to no longer be gay and not engage in gay behavior?

I don't understand the "tolerance" disparity...

Maybe those of you that are gay or gay apologists can explain it to this breeder...

Btw, Ted Haggard's explicit sexual actions are in the public record and were limited to him being the recipient of a "handjob."

Once a queer, always a queer.#2 | Posted by wurster at 2010-01-27 07:36 PM | Reply |

" defrocked gay evangelist Ted Haggard"
-rcade

Is there a "weighted scale" to gay behavior?
A handful of gay "episodes" over a few months trumps hundreds of hetero sexual experiences over decades?

Does someone have "gay intuition" like "gaydar" that tells them the REAL # of gay behavioral episodes he was involved in beyond what's in the public record?

Here's the chance to educate the rest of us that have voted down gay behavior in 31 states on what gay standards and language are....

Shoving feathers up your butt does not make you a duck, Kirk.

Kirk:

Your friend found out the hard way why coming out is such a big deal - you can't really take it back. The gay people I know have a hard time with conversions because many of them have seen one that didn't last, or that came about for social reasons.

In the city I'm from, two young men who were very sweet on each other indeed founded a restaurant that became very famous. While the pair was on the way up, they were very out front about who they were. Once the place spawned new locations and became Big Business, the guys found themselves fawned over by the town's bigwigs, approached for charity and political donations; they were making so much money that not even the city's old-money elite could totally ignore them. They suddenly declared themselves family men, got themselves wives and turned their backs on their former associates and fuckbuddies. This earned them the undying contempt of those they scorned, because these two guys had a chance to change perceptions of what gay men were capable of accomplishing, and instead, they chickened out.

And there is not a gay man I know who doesn't know of a closet case who has a deliberately unsuspecting wife, in spite of the fact that hubby makes Elton John look butch, to say nothing of the credit card bills listing visits to mysterious Websites you have to pay to see, and the needy young male "friends" few straight men have. These guys are not held in the highest of esteem by the gay community, to say the least, because the guy is presenting one facade and doing something else entirely.

Being gay is serious business. You might even say it's no place for sissies. Those who won't take responsibility for their actions are not well thought of by those who have.

Ted is in denial right now on Larry King Live.
Ted is in denial about his sexuality.
Larry is in denial about his morbidity.
Good Times!

"Larry King Live"

A phrase inching closer to the oxymoronic with every passing second.


Once a queer, always a queer.

#2 | Posted by wurster

The voice of experience weighs in.

#60 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

LOL See: www.drudge.com

Kirk,

If your friend who now dates women after dating men made a big deal about his "conversion", became insufferable by telling all his gay friends that they should do the same, became a poster-boy for the ex-gay movement, then, sure, I would expect most gay people to make fun of him or rebuke him.

For what's it's worth, if a guy who had always dated women came out of the closet with the announcement that he "would no longer engage in heterosexual behavior", I'd probably make fun of him, too.

I had a friend from college who tried heterosexual marriage. He hadn't had any luck finding a boyfriend who wanted a family. He found a woman his age who agreed to marry him. She was a professional and educated and came from a culture where arranged marriages are common and marriages based on factors like stability, resources, kindness, etc. are valued more than sexual attraction. They were good friends. Marrying seemed logical... to them. There was no money exchanged, no visa issues, they just got married. His gay friends attended the wedding, one as his best man. Sure, people talked to him A LOT before they accepted it, but they accepted it, celebrated it.

The couple divorced a few years later. No kids, fortunately. No rancor either. Still friends. He later found a partner, another man, and they're still together, almost 20 years later. She went on to marry another man, too.

'The voice of experience weighs in.'

Gay is gay. Just like this story is bullshit, so is Haggard's evangelical life.

Faggy preachers aside, I don't like the dump you got. I don't flag.

BobSF and MaryTylerWhore,
Thanks for the responses.

Every gay friend I have has "tried" females. Some are still gay, one died of AIDS, several others "found Jesus" and abandoned homosexual behavior and lifestyles.

One friend in particular has had so many people tell him things like "you can't change who you are" and get VERY angry at him (and I don't think he was "all preachy" about it, but not entirely sure). I don't know how anyone can handle all the rejection (from many sides) he's endured.

I am honestly interested in this "once gay always gay" rhetoric when it seems like so many gay people have "dabbled" in hetero behavior, and many people who've been involved in (willing or unwilling) prepubescent homosexual sexual acts struggle to not engage in gay behavior to varying degrees of success.
Ted Haggard said his early childhood homosexual molestation experience was what he was conflicted about, causing him to "act out"....just what HE said, I have little idea about what really makes Ted Haggard tick.

Give hom to Opus Dei. They will beat the gay out of him

Kirk:

I've known some straight guys who were molested by men as kids, and the very last thing it did was make them want to engage in gay sex. I've also known some gay guys who were molested on the same basis, and it often screws them up sexually; they sometimes end up "into" BDSM or degrading stuff. Haggard's story doesn't square with anything else I've ever seen in anyone I've ever known, though there's certainly a first time for everything.

A lot of gay people "dabble" in straight sex because there is a LOT of pressure to do that. Think about when you were in school - "Hey, Kirk, whadja do this weekend?" If you'd been out with a girl, you said so. If you'd gotten laid, you bragged about it. But the gay guy in your dorm couldn't talk about what he had been up to. It's a lot of pressure that makes some gays figure, "Okay, maybe I can just ignore all these feelings and make this work." Because society is telling them that their lives will be a HELL of a lot easier if they do.

My feeling is that we have not heard the final word on Ted Haggard and homosexuality.

#2 | POSTED BY WURSTER
"Once a queer, always a queer."
#64 | POSTED BY WURSTER
"Gay is gay."

Cozy in the closet, there, Wurster?

ever notice how the fucking libs "pile on" and ass rape any fag not their own?

#8 | Posted by 777 at 2010-01-27 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey 3-7s, ever notice the "fag" you're speaking of is
1. claiming he's not gay
2. preached aginst it
3. he's a meth head

when you find a Liberal, gay, meth head minister
come back and we'll talk

In the mean time go back to watching your religious propaganda

#65 | Posted by kirk at 2010-01-29 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Kirk, whats really sad is knowing someone who has acknowledged their sexuality and been forced to feel guilty about it.

My sister is gay... I remember when she went public

we talk about it from time to time... She tells me she knew she was gay as far back as the 3rd grade..

I also have a good friend who brother-in-law is gay. I don't know the guy but I know what I'm told and the guy suffers from depression. He keeps going to church and it only gets worse... then he turns to the drugs for relief...

Considering he describes himself as a "heterosexual with issues", he's already set himself up with an excuse for a "relapse". To think that someone can be conditioned NOT to be gay implies that someone can be conditioned TO be gay, which, I don't think is the case. You either crave the cock or you don't. The only exception I can think of is the gay for pay porn industry, which only proves that money can make people do a lot of things they wouldn't normally do.

What I _really_ find amusing is that these two are so out of touch with reality that they actually believe that, even after lying his ass off trying to deny it, they have the moral credit to expect anyone to take them for their word.

All I can think of after hearing about the counseling is History of the World I..


Counselor: Did you suck any cock today?
Haggard: No. (maybe he did maybe he didn't)
Counselor: Did you TRY to suck any cock today?
Haggard: No. (maybe he did maybe he didn't)
Counselor: Did you THINK about sucking any cock today?
Haggard: No (even though you know he did, cos once a liar always a liar.)
Counselor: You're cured.
Haggard: uhm, on that last one? Maybe once...
Counselor: Shit, ok, lets call it "you have issues" but we'll still call you cured and use an * to idicate that, like with Roger Maris' 61 home runs, there are special circumstances. Is that cool with you guys?

Loh

Ted Haggard? I saw the headline and thought it was about Merle Haggard.

Merle Haggard is gay?

Ted Haggard said his early childhood homosexual molestation experience was what he was conflicted about, causing him to "act out"....

Always looking to blame someone else like a good little righty.

#40 | POSTED BY BRIWO
"I can't seem to find the right word to describe her: delusional? Ignorant? Stupid? uneducated? denial?"

All of the above, Briwo, with a side of cold, soggy fries.

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