GOP inkblot test. It reminds me of when Mama Bush,
the Olivia Soprano of the Bushes, remarked about
the people displaced by Katrina. She said, "many of these people are poor. This is actually working out
quite well for them". Sure, grandma is floating in
Lake Ponchartrain. Life is good.

That is exactly what we are doing with welfare.

Guess what? His point, inarticulate as it may have been, was on target. We are creating a welfare generation by giving away money. Welfare recipients are having large numbers of children and teaching them to BE welfare recipients.

is there some special hospital in south carolia that spits out these partial humans? we got lots of creatures with no heart and a very small brain. we even have one with a long penis that stretches to argentina

I don't like free handouts but this guy should be shot.

Crisis

makes me glad they didn't impeach Mark Sanford.

What an asshole.

Someone sent me this a bunch of years ago and I saved it...I'm sure some of you guys have seen it before, for those that haven't, this sums it up nicely here in New Castle, DE.

TAKE DOWN the FEEDER!

I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed. What a beauty of a bird feeder it is, as I filled it lovingly with seed. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.

Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile,the chairs, the table ...
everywhere!

Then some of the birds turned mean. They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket.

And others birds were boisterous and loud. They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. So I took down the
bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like it used to be ... quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let's see ....

Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, and free
education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to "press one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Just my opinion, but maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

"In South Carolina, 58 percent of students participate in the free and reduced-price lunch program. Bauer said government should take away assistance if those receiving help don't pass drug tests or attend parent-teacher conferences or PTA meetings if their children were receiving free and reduced-price lunches."

Why is anyone surprised that libs want these students to grow up like their parents and expect some sort of Gov aide? Testing parents? Making them become involved? Hell that would cut into their drinking or drug time. Not to mention shame them to be responsible parents.

Of course, that implication is that the poor need to be treated like stray animals, rounded up and euthanized.

I'm sure that if anyone in So Carolina knew what "implication" or "euthanized" meant, they would be outraged, too.

Well, some of them anyway.

Were Snowball and Napoleon listening?

Lunch programs for needy kids are essential to educating them. Undernourished kids lose out on brain development, making them more likely to need social assistance in the future. Since these kids did absolutely nothing wrong to end up in their circumstance, punishing them is an exceptionally cruel position. Bauer's position is that a poor kid with a shitty parent shouldn't get to eat a full lunch or have breakfast provided for him at school. What a great place to draw the line, asshole!

Of course, that implication is that the poor need to be treated like stray animals, rounded up and euthanized.

#10 | Posted by Corky

Seems to me you added a lot of words and thoughts to his statement.

We do need to reduce the welfare rolls. How do you suggest that be done cor?

#12...

If you think this is punishing students, would the other side of the argument be they are rewarding irresponsible parents? How is that setting an example for their kids?

Does each brown bag say: "From Mr and Mrs. Smith because your dad's a crackhead and your momma's got one leg and a kickstand"?

I'm not sayin, just sayin...

=How do you suggest that be done cor?

Not by treating people as stray animals, that's for sure.

Not a very tactful way to explain a true statement. And for those who think he is incorrect - please provide evidence of one entitlement program for the poor which has eliminated the poor. To my knowledge, the number of poor has risen since these programs have started. 100% failure rate of what they are supposed to be doing.

There needs to be some middle ground between given direct hand outs and training people to help themselves - for those that can.

"Not by treating people as stray animals, that's for sure"

So... that would mean to stop giving them handouts and taking care of them like stray animals? We should let them fend for themselves?

I guess we don't exactly treat them as strays, we don't castrate them.

Does each brown bag say: "From Mr and Mrs. Smith because your dad's a crackhead and your momma's got one leg and a kickstand"?
I'm not sayin, just sayin...

Propagate the meme, if you're poor you're a crackhead. You're as noble as Bauer. Having had family that had to use assistance, all of it turned out to be short term, such generalizations (as ElCid did) don't carry much weight with me.

But this is what Republicans think of the less fortunate, isn't it? It's repeated over and over again. What was that MO Republican Representative that owned the Christian bookstore say?

"Hunger can be a positive motivator."

I'm all for school food programs, but there's little argument that welfare in general is getting out of hand. Kids should never have to suffer because their parents are unable or unwilling to work and make a living. But it does place burdens on those that do. Feed the kids, but try to find other areas of welfare to reduce or limit.

I don't care he compared them to "stray animals" so much as this part: You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't think too much further than that.

He doesn't want the poor to breed?

Feed the kids, but try to find other areas of welfare to reduce or limit.

There's always forced birthing, banning birth control and teaching ineffective sex education.

Or will spaying finally get endorsement from the GOP?

Funny thing about bird feeders too, they tend to provide a cometitive advantage to birds such as the Cowbird.

The Cowbirds is a gregarious little fellow who's survival is predicted on an interesting breeding strategy. The female cowbird will find a nest of another species with eggs. She will destroy the eggs in the nest and replace them with her own and then leave for the next nest.

When the parents return, they incubate the new eggs without hesitation (they are birds). When the eggs hatch, they feed the hatchlings and raise them as if they were their own. Unfortunately, the greediness of the Cowbird young is often more than their adoptive parents can cope with and the parent occassionally die of exhaustion and malnutrition despite successfully raising the foreign fledgelings.

"Christian bookstore"

WTF does that have to do with the price of peace in China?

Oh, wait, liberal meme... sorry.

"Or will spaying finally get endorsement from the GOP?"

I believe that's the mantra of the left...

Sunstein et al....

Population bomb...

Ginsberg - "I thought that was the intention of Roe v Wade"

etc.

"Free tube tying with food stamps"?

This guy is simply asking parents to take a role. What's wrong with that?

"Let them eat cake" worked well for Marie Antoinette. I hope this POS suffers a similar fate. People of SC. It's time to roll out the guillotine and take care of turds like this one who show no compassion for those less fortunate or even basic human decency. Against the wall with his heartless ass!

If you think this is punishing students, would the other side of the argument be they are rewarding irresponsible parents? How is that setting an example for their kids?

#14 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2010-01-25 11:14 AM | Reply

Much better to starve a child to prove a point.

How is it rewarding the irresponsible parents? They were not going to feed the kids anyways. If anything it is rewarding the kids with a good meal so they can learn and hopefully pull themselves up into a self sustaining life.

I hope this POS suffers a similar fate. People of SC.

Doubtful. All he has to do is start thumping the bible and the sheeple will follow and vote against their own self interests.

WTF does that have to do with the price of peace in China?
Oh, wait, liberal meme... sorry.
#24 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESHEPERD AT 2010-01-25 11:36 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Let me clarify the assigned "liberal" meme. It's a true Christian meme that flies in the face of the her/this version of Christianity.

Unless you can quote where Jesus said "Don't feed my sheep - hunger's a great motivator."

I'm all for school food programs, but there's little argument that welfare in general is getting out of hand.

No, it isn't. Since Clinton reformed welfare during his presidency and required the pursuit of work and job training for recipients, two million recipients of welfare have become workers and gotten off the welfare rolls. Up until the economy went south, the problem of people needing welfare assistance was getting better, not worse.

Wow!!
This guy is dead on!! Personally, I have been saying this for years.
If you are on the taxpayers dole, you need to do something. One welfare recipient can dig a hole & the next can fill it.

This goes back to Darwin's theory that the libs love to use when it's convenient, only the strong survive.
If you need big gov't. to support you, you are weak & should fall by the wayside until you figure out how to support yourself.

This is the greatest country in the world & nowhere are there more opportunities to make yourself a success than here. If you are a failure, you have chosen to be & you should be held accountable.

This guy is simply asking parents to take a role. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong is that he's willing to make kids suffer by denying them food assistance if parents don't step up.

Not by treating people as stray animals, that's for sure.

#16 | Posted by Corky

That is a solution? How does it work?

Let's face it, you don't know.

#31 | Posted by rcade

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Blinded by the light!
Clinton didn't reform welfare, he had no choice because the republican congress made him.
Amazing how you see the "facts"!

No, it isn't. Since Clinton reformed welfare during his presidency and required the pursuit of work and job training for recipients, two million recipients of welfare have become workers and gotten off the welfare rolls. Up until the economy went south, the problem of people needing welfare assistance was getting better, not worse.

It is no coincidence that the gov't has been backdooring people onto the welfare rolls. Nothing becomes a reliable voter more than a person that depends on your handout for their next meal

Clinton didn't reform welfare, he had no choice because the republican congress made him.

This sentence makes no sense. Either Clinton didn't reform welfare, or he did because the Republican Congress made him.

Learn basic sentence structure before you continue to post, please.

"Since Clinton reformed welfare..." = liberal revisionist history. I expect better from you, RCADE, more than other liberal posters here. Welfare reform from the 90's is a great example of a Democrat President being bit led into conservative fiscal reform. Now if only Obama will learn from midterm elections, as Clinton did. But at least you admit that welfare reform works, and should continue to be limited by work and time requirements.

#34 Snipsnip

What we currently have is better than what this SC asshole and you and the other "compassionate conservatives" are proposing.

No, it isn't. Since Clinton reformed welfare during his presidency and required the pursuit of work and job training for recipients, two million recipients of welfare have become workers and gotten off the welfare rolls.

#31 | Posted by rcade

Welfare has just changed form and name. It has re-emerged as tax credits and tax refunds for people of low income and no income.

WE STILL HAVE WELFARE!!!!!!!!

And as far as all this "it's for the kids" bullshit...
If your child needs to be fed by the school system, that child should be removed from your custody & placed with a family that knows how to be productive & create a life outside of the welfare rolls. If/when you can prove to be self supportive, then we can discuss regaining custody.

It's bullshit to say, "welfare is okay because they need to feed their kids". If you are on welfare, obviously you cannot manage the life of one person, so you certainly not capable of caring for a child(ren).

"Unless you can quote where Jesus said "Don't feed my sheep - hunger's a great motivator.""

Now your contradicting a liberal meme... our gov't doesn't have Christian values, remember?

I want kids taught pure natural selection - your parents can't feed you, therefore you are poorer genetic stock and deserve less advantage to breed.

Bullshit christian values. Why do liberals assume anyone who disagrees with them must be a christian that just doesn't understand that jebus was a progressive? Judas was the progressive, remember - he kept the treasury (the people's money) and issisted that it be used on the "people" (his desire) and not jebus' feet (the people's desire)...?

Welfare has just changed form and name. It has re-emerged as tax credits and tax refunds for people of low income and no income.

WE STILL HAVE WELFARE!!!!!!!!

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-01-25 11:54 AM

They could always join the army.

Hell, look what it's done for you!

#42 |

Social Darwinism by rightwing kooks that has the potential for the same kind of devastation as Marxist Social Darwinism.

We will always have welfare programs for the needy. Get used to it. There are some that would make things worse for everyone if they were to join the workforce. There should be hope for their children to succeed, however. How do we do it?

#37 | Posted by kanrei

blahblahblah.

Thought this was a place to comment on news stories, not get an english lesson.
My sentence structure may be incorrect, but my point is correct & I think that's what really matters.
Give me your email so I can send you my comments before I post them & get your grammatical approval.

-Let's face it, you don't know.

I don't go around implying that we round up poor people and euthanize them so that they won't "breed".

Nor am I asshole enough to defend such nonsense.

Thought this was a place to comment on news stories, not get an english lesson.

This is a text based forum. Spelling is not that big a deal as we can all figure out what was meant, but horrible sentence structure obscures the point.

This is a text based forum. Spelling is not that big a deal as we can all figure out what was meant, but horrible sentence structure obscures the point.

#48 | Posted by kanrei

Where is Tiny Elvis anyway?

I see nothing wrong with making birth control a pre-req to receiving welfare.

The 'stray animal' rhetoric is uncalled for, however.

"If your child needs to be fed by the school system, that child should be removed from your custody & placed with a family that knows how to be productive & create a life outside of the welfare rolls. If/when you can prove to be self supportive, then we can discuss regaining custody."

This is far more difficult than you can possibly imagine, and also completely wrong. Many families have temporary or long term issues that prevent them from obtaining sometimes even a livable wage. Health, injury, liberal economics, etc. Taking away someone's child simply because they need some assistance is ludicrous. There is nothing wrong with limited assistance, we are a wealthy nation, and can afford some welfare. We must, however, help those that need help, not those that are simply "living off the government dole" for extended periods of time. Read: New Orleans.

Social Darwinism by rightwing kooks that has the potential for the same kind of devastation as Marxist Social Darwinism.

#44 | Posted by Corky

I have to agree with you on that.

"What's wrong is that he's willing to make kids suffer by denying them food assistance if parents don't step up."

Asking parents to step up and become invloved in PTA or school activity is wrong? Testing parents to make sure they are not using the money to buy drugs or are healthy enough to work is wrong? How many illegitimate welfare recipients are preventing real people who need assistance?

#48 | Posted by kanrei

SOOORRRRRYYYY.

Fine, I will try again.
Clinton is credited with reforming welfare in the 1990's, but as we all know (except rcade), the republican congress wrote the legislature & for lack of a better term, forced Clinton to sign welfare reform into law.

Can I go to recess now?

= but horrible sentence structure obscures the point.

Oh, damn!

-making birth control a pre-req to receiving welfare.

Damn Chinese goats....

Damn Chinese goats....

What about 'em?

#50 Goatman

Requiring B/C makes some sense and probably would be for the better in the medium to long run. How do you serve that up without offending masses of people, without leaving further room for marginalization?

Social Darwinism by rightwing kooks that has the potential for the same kind of devastation as Marxist Social Darwinism.

#44 | Posted by Corky

I have to agree with you on that.

#52 | Posted by STIRSUMUP at 2010-01-25 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag

Ergo the sarcasm in the first place (I keep forgetting that sarcasm doesn't translate into text very well).

#51 | Posted by SpokaneJim

We are not talking about hard time that a family might have. We are talking about generations of mooching.
There are programs to get a family over a "hump" and they are a necessity.
Where the problem comes in is when you become so complacent in your life & you expect that check to be there on the first of the month as well as your food stamp card to be reloaded on time, you are a burden on society & you have demonstrated that you cannot care of yourself.
If you cannot take of yourself, you cannot take care of another & yes, if you have a child, that child should be removed form your "care".

"How do you serve that up without offending masses of people"

Who was it that suggested putting it in the drinking water? Seems to elude me... could've sworn it was... anyone?

How do you serve that up without offending masses of people, without leaving further room for marginalization?

People will have their feelings hurt, but so what? You basically take a "head count" for each family going on welfare and tell them this is the max they will receive. Allow a tad bit more for any family agreeing to BC. You don't make it a requirement, but offer it as a bonus.

"This guy is simply asking parents to take a role. What's wrong with that?"
#26 | Posted by fishpaw

Nothing! However, Democrats rely on giving handouts at taxpayer's expense so the recipients keep voting Democrat in return for said handouts. They hate it when it is exposed for what it really is and go after the messenger while disregarding the message.

Lunch programs for needy kids are essential to educating them. Undernourished kids lose out on brain development, making them more likely to need social assistance in the future. Since these kids did absolutely nothing wrong to end up in their circumstance, punishing them is an exceptionally cruel position. Bauer's position is that a poor kid with a shitty parent shouldn't get to eat a full lunch or have breakfast provided for him at school. What a great place to draw the line, asshole!

#12 | Posted by rcade
* * * *

Your reading comprehension needs work. Sounds to me like he's saying the parents need to pass drug tests, and attend conferences with teachers to discuss their children's progress.

If you're going to treat the education system as a full-time day-care center with free meals, is it wrong to ask for a little something in return? Or no?

#61 -- what he said

"If you cannot take of yourself, you cannot take care of another & yes, if you have a child, that child should be removed form your "care""

Funny story, my wife treats two children that were left from birth in a room with no toys, 24/7. Parents handed them bottles, never changed them, bath them, etc. One for five years, one for three. When social services finally intervened, they were both near death, the room was filled with feces, neither had any language or social skills. Parents were placed in jail and kids with grandparents. The kids are doing very well now and their language and social skills are almost back to age appropriate.

Here's the fucking punchline... Last week the judge ordered the grandparents to give the kids back to the parents.

Ha ha ha ... I'm so sure they'll do better this time.

*sarcasm again

I would also require piss tests to ensure that their money doesn't go towards drugs. Many honest working people have to take them to get their paycheck. Why shouldn't welfare recipients?

Goatman,

What if their aim is too bad and they can't hit the cup... We might offend them!?!?!

Back on the rig?

#61 Kanrei

True. Gotta break some eggs to make an omelet. Is it too much of a political risk, though? Without term limits, politicians' number one task is to get re-elected.

Back on the rig?

Leaving tomorrow.

"Howard Finkelstein: "The state of Michigan tried to impose drug testing on welfare recipients. In that case, it was determined to have violated the Fourth Amendment because it was a warrant-less search of a persons body without justification, and if Florida tried to require testing, it would probably face the same fate."

To drug test a person costs on average around $45, and that would not include the staff and overhead for a state to implement the program. A congressional study revealed that only one half of one percent of the people tested failed, and estimated it would cost $77,000 to catch a drug user. Howard says the drug tests have other drawbacks as well.

Howard Finkelstein: "Drug testing is ineffective in revealing the most widely abused substances like alcohol and cocaine, and it's not cost effective. The cost of the drug testing would be far more expensive than the savings from taking away government benefits to drug users."

Let me clarify the assigned "liberal" meme. It's a true Christian meme that flies in the face of the her/this version of Christianity.

Unless you can quote where Jesus said "Don't feed my sheep - hunger's a great motivator."

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2010-01-25 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you're going to quote Jesus concerning caring for the poor, find the right quote. His command to Peter to "Feed my sheep," had nothing to do with physical food.

Fine, I will try again.
Clinton is credited with reforming welfare in the 1990's, but as we all know (except rcade), the republican congress wrote the legislature & for lack of a better term, forced Clinton to sign welfare reform into law.

Can I go to recess now?

#54 | Posted by seedeez2

Sleezy, was there a gun to his head? He signed it and took it as his own from the GOP. Smooth I must say...

I believe that you don't have to opt for Government assistance, but, if you do, you are saying that there are aspects of a normal life you cannot take care of on your own. This means you are giving up some basic rights in exchange for being taken care of, much like a child. You cannot feed yourself, OK, we will feed you, but these are some rules we expect you to follow. IF you choose not to follow the rules, you also choose not to accept the help. Simple.

Self determination is not a right when you rely on others for self.

Self determination is not a right when you rely on others for self.

Posted by kanrei

It's called selling yourself and your descendants into slavery.

It is simple logic which is something this nation lacks:

Common sense rules are not racist, even when most of the people it may affect are within a single race.

To drug test a person costs on average around $45, and that would not include the staff and overhead for a state to implement the program. A congressional study revealed that only one half of one percent of the people tested failed, and estimated it would cost $77,000 to catch a drug user.

LOL There's your government at work for you, Danni. The medic on my rig told me that the field test kits that we piss into cost about $6 ea. If that comes up positive, a second sample is sent to a lab where it is tested on three different spectro something analyzers. That test costs about $120. But only 1% (the positives) have to go there.

$77,000 to catch a drug user? Let my company show 'em how it's done for on the average $10. 'Course there are more than likely to be > 1% positive rate, but still -- even if every test was done to strict lab specs (i.e. no field test kits) that is still $120 per person.

It's called selling yourself and your descendants into slavery.

#75 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

Let me translate. If you accept welfare from the libs, they are making slaves out of you. If you get off your lazy ass and do some productive work like conservitives want you to do, you will be a free person.

See how easy that was.

Many of us had to take drug tests so we could work, why isn't that determined to have violated the Fourth Amendment because it was a warrant-less search?

I guess the 4th amendment only applys to the leaches.

Welfare reform from the 90's is a great example of a Democrat President being bit led into conservative fiscal reform.

Welfare reform is a great example of Republicans in Congress working with a Democratic president to improve the country. A pity none of today's Republicans are willing to do that.

Your reading comprehension needs work.

I read it just fine. "Bauer said government should take away assistance if those receiving help don't pass drug tests or attend parent-teacher conferences or PTA meetings if their children were receiving free and reduced-price lunches."

This is the greatest country in the world & nowhere are there more opportunities to make yourself a success than here.

It's time to get real here. The days of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is ancient history in this country. Where are the jobs? It's tough to commute to China or even Mexico. You can't open a lemonade stand without a certified kitchen. You can't get financing to build homes or open a restaurant. If you get sick, the insurance companies policies will keep you broke for the rest of your life.

Thailand (a third world country) has more opportunity then America for someone willing to work hard, but has no money to start with.

One thing all the heartless animals on the right seem to forget is for every child fed in a school lunch program, some businessman made a profit. For every dollar spent in the grocery store some businessman sold his or her goods.

Welfare goes full circle. If all food stamps were suddenly stopped, theft, violence and black marketing of tainted goods will sky rocket. If public assistance for the disabled was stopped there would be millions more homeless living in the streets like Thailand or India which does not have any public assistance.

This is what the right wants. Their philosophy is that the sick, retarded, drug addicted and all unwed mothers (with their children)should all be left to beg in the streets and die of pestilence, exposure and disease. Young men who can work but can't find a job, should all be put in the military and sent to fabricated wars (supported by the taxpayers) instead of schools and training institutes. There they can be taught real skills like killing, stealth, sabotage and handling explosives. Something we could all use more of. They can come back from war prepared for their real station in life, body guards for the rich and famous who's daily lives must be protected from the hordes of hungry gang members and drug dealers like Mexico has to offer their people.

The only real difference between America and Mexico is the standard of living and the job opportunities. Illegal aliens don't come here to get on welfare because they can't if they are undocumented. That's a right wing lie. They come here to make money by working in the toughest jobs. It's the Americans who are collecting welfare and they are spending it in American businesses. I don't see any less profits from stores taking food stamps. Business benefits just as much as the general population when tax money goes full circle instead of being wasted on foreign wars and foreign aide.

"Bauer said government should take away assistance if those receiving help don't pass drug tests

I agree if implimented right.

or attend parent-teacher conferences or PTA meetings if their children were receiving free and reduced-price lunches."

I disagree. What if they have to work? What if they are working 2 or 3 jobs AND STILL needing help? Do you make it worse because they are trying?

Don't give the poor anything. We live in America. If they want it they have to earn it. I'm not talking about the disabled, but if you can physically work than you don't need anything from the Gov. If your kids starve, good. Maybe you shouldn't have had a bunch of bastard children in the first place.

How long until we get public service announcements saying "please remember to spay or neuterer your local poor."

Kanrei, if you're working 2 or 3 jobs you can put food on the table. Simple as that.

Welfare reform is a great example of Republicans in Congress working with a Democratic president to improve the country. A pity none of today's Republicans are willing to do that.

Damn, I was about to type something very similar. Of course, I think Jim is a litigator so they don't understand compromise.

Many of us had to take drug tests so we could work, why isn't that determined to have violated the Fourth Amendment because it was a warrant-less search?

I guess the 4th amendment only applies to the leaches.

#78 | Posted by Sniper

I get drug tested and I own the company. It's for insurance purposes. I don't particularly like it but it keeps expenses down.

As far as my comment about slavery, I stand by it. Poverty is a vicious cycle. It's physical and mental. It is a hard cycle to break and one that people have to "want" to get out of to be successful at getting out of it. Lots of people are having a rough time right now, but being broke and being poor are two different things.

How long until we get public service announcements saying "please remember to spay or neuterer your local poor."

Less than a lifetime ago, that was actually a benchmark of mainstream American "progressive" thought.

You know, "the early, 20th century progressive" that Hillary said she wanted to emulate?

#8 by lohocla...I have several bird feeders and none of the problems you have. I suspect they know you are a jerk and are only feeding them for your own greedy purposes, which is to enjoy looking at them without having to walk through the woods.

BTW where did you copy this from? Did you just make this shit up yourself to make a point? Personally I think it's plagiarized from some tea baggers blog. It reads like something Glenn Becks writers would come up with.

#79 Rcade in case you missed it, after Barry was elected Pelosi told the Repubs to not bother getting involved with policy "because we won."

i missed that quote also paw. candidly it smells like rotten fish. source please

Fishpaw: If just 10 percent of the Republicans in Congress wanted to reform health care, they could practically dictate the terms of the deal. They could get tort reform and other Republican goodies in exchange for compromise.

Instead, Republicans have decided to obstruct everything and filibuster everything because they think it will help them regain power.

Republicans have a chance to make a difference here, but they're choosing not to do it for self-benefit.

- If your kids starve, good.

Ya gotta appreciate a right winger who stands up fer whut he b'leaves.

Obama let the Senate waste months letting Repubes argue and amend health care bills to their hearts delight, when their only purpose was to stall and delay until Obama had to push back jobs initiatives and financial reform to wait for a health care bill...... until said wait pissed off Indies enough to get buyer's remorse.

And now they want to claim they were left out of the process?

Well, their base will believe anything.... ask Hannity or Palin or Beck.

In the history of the world, in all of the countries of the world has there ever been a nation without poverty? is there a cure for poverty?

Shouldnt we as a nation be providing assistance to those in need to assure them the basic necessities of life?

Shouldnt a nation that can afford over a trillion dollars a year on bombs and killing people be able to feed its least fortunate?

Wow!!
This guy is dead on!! Personally, I have been saying this for years.
If you are on the taxpayers dole, you need to do something. One welfare recipient can dig a hole & the next can fill it.

This goes back to Darwin's theory that the libs love to use when it's convenient, only the strong survive.
If you need big gov't. to support you, you are weak & should fall by the wayside until you figure out how to support yourself.

This is the greatest country in the world & nowhere are there more opportunities to make yourself a success than here. If you are a failure, you have chosen to be & you should be held accountable.

#32 | Posted by seedeez2

YEAH ONLY 10 to 20% of eligible adults dont ahve a job! FUCK YEAH!

#92 ditto that.

Republicans have become obstructionist for only one reason, to destroy the concept of majority rule. In a nut shell, they feel the poor and working classes should have no say in this democracy. They would much prefer the days of slavery, no women or minority voting and only white male land owners eligible to vote. That is the only sure way of keeping the people in the poor house so they are willing to work for peanuts and live in company housing.

And as far as all this "it's for the kids" bullshit...
If your child needs to be fed by the school system, that child should be removed from your custody & placed with a family that knows how to be productive & create a life outside of the welfare rolls. If/when you can prove to be self supportive, then we can discuss regaining custody.

It's bullshit to say, "welfare is okay because they need to feed their kids". If you are on welfare, obviously you cannot manage the life of one person, so you certainly not capable of caring for a child(ren).

#41 | Posted by seedeez2

YEAH BREAK UP THE FAMILY!!! FUCK EM!!!!!!!!

You cant make this shit up?

In a nut shell, they [Republicans] feel the poor and working classes should have no say in this democracy. They would much prefer the days of slavery, no women or minority voting and only white male land owners eligible to vote

Yeah, whatever ringo. I'll bet after you put up ridiculous statements like that you sit back, scratch your head, and wonder why no one takes anything you say seriously.

"President Obama proposed nearly doubling the child care tax credit for middle-class families Monday, the latest administration initiative meant to reassure Americans nervous about the slow pace of the economic recovery.

The proposal is one of five new recommendations from the president's Middle Class Task Force, which was established one year ago this week.

Specifically, Obama will push to increase the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit rate from 20 percent to 35 percent for families making under $85,000 a year. Families making from $85,000 to $115,000 also would see an increase in their tax credit, the statement said.

At the same time, lower-income families would receive a $1.6 billion increase in child care funding, the largest one-year increase in two decades.

In addition, the White House will propose limiting federal student loan payments to 10 percent of a student's income above a basic living allowance.

The administration also will push for the creation of a system of automatic workplace individual retirement accounts, requiring all employers to give workers the option of enrolling in a direct-deposit IRA.

The "saver's tax credit" would be expanded, with a government match of 50 percent of the first $1,000 of contributions for families making $65,000 or less.

Fourth, the White House will propose expanding tax credits to match retirement savings, while also enacting new safeguards to protect retirement savings.

Fifth, the administration will push to expand federal support for families caring for elderly relatives, "helping them manage their multiple responsibilities and allowing seniors to live in the community for as long as possible," a White House official said.

#51 | Posted by SpokaneJim

We are not talking about hard time that a family might have. We are talking about generations of mooching.
There are programs to get a family over a "hump" and they are a necessity.
Where the problem comes in is when you become so complacent in your life & you expect that check to be there on the first of the month as well as your food stamp card to be reloaded on time, you are a burden on society & you have demonstrated that you cannot care of yourself.
If you cannot take of yourself, you cannot take care of another & yes, if you have a child, that child should be removed form your "care".

#59 | Posted by seedeez2

get over what fucking hump you moron.

There is a HUGE underclass in our society that has NOTHING, MAKES NOTHING, HAS NO OPPORTUNITY, HAS NO JOBS, HAS DE MINIMIS SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS>

you sound like the rich man walking past the begger and saying GET A JOB.

THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS> EDUCATION IS A JOKE, FAMILIES ARE destroyed due to the social ills of poverty. People go on welfare because there is no alternative. Some are able to better themselves but others cant because the infrastructure to do it does not exist.

Paying federal income tax should determine ones eligibility to vote in federal elections.

If you don't pay, you don't have a say.

Nothing! However, Democrats rely on giving handouts at taxpayer's expense so the recipients keep voting Democrat in return for said handouts. They hate it when it is exposed for what it really is and go after the messenger while disregarding the message.

#62 | Posted by KBM

as opposed to the handouts to big pharma, big farming, bid defense, big banking, big insurance, big automotive, etc etc etc.

at least welfare helps individuals.

"That is the only sure way of keeping the people in the poor house so they are willing to work for peanuts and live in government housing"

...and voting for Democrats.

Seems counterproductive for Repubs to want that Rimmaster?

I believe that you don't have to opt for Government assistance, but, if you do, you are saying that there are aspects of a normal life you cannot take care of on your own. This means you are giving up some basic rights in exchange for being taken care of, much like a child. You cannot feed yourself, OK, we will feed you, but these are some rules we expect you to follow. IF you choose not to follow the rules, you also choose not to accept the help. Simple.

Self determination is not a right when you rely on others for self.

#74 | Posted by kanrei

YEAH FUCK YOU YOU POOR MOTHER OF A DOWN'S SYNDROME BABY! YOU NEED TO BE TREATED LIKE THE CRIMINAL YOU ARE!

"as opposed to the handouts to big pharma, big farming, bid defense, big banking, big insurance, big automotive, etc etc etc."

See also "Senate Healthcare Bill"

Paying federal income tax should determine ones eligibility to vote in federal elections.

If you don't pay, you don't have a say.

#102 | Posted by midtowncowboy

So I pay around $60,000 a year in Fed taxes (not including state) can I have more then one vote?

Don't give the poor anything. We live in America. If they want it they have to earn it.
SNIP
#83 | Posted by macherni

Please explain how the bankers, insurance companies and auto companies earned all the bail out money?

#107 | Posted by Chill at 2010-01-25 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Negative good buddy.

"YEAH FUCK YOU YOU POOR MOTHER OF A DOWN'S SYNDROME BABY! "(sic)

Ummm... poor woman typically abort those considered "genetically deficient" don't they? I thought that's what democrats were all about?

Pretty sure you could find a liberal physician willing to purify the race by terminating such a pregnancy....

Regardless, Down's qualifies as a disabilility and would have correctly been taken care of. Your logic is flawed.

Cats have fur and dogs have fur so all cats are dogs?

Genius!

Please explain how the bankers, insurance companies and auto companies earned all the bail out money?

#108 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-01-25 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

They gave at the offices in Washington.

well, for one thing only 67% of US corporations pay no income taxes so that's one entitlement they have earned ~ Truthie

"Please explain how the bankers, insurance companies and auto companies earned all the bail out money"

They bought the best Congress (D) money could buy.

there are no downs syndrome children in the country. they are all aborted. Fool. try the real world. your logic flow is that of a person with minimal IQ> try for a disability

"well, for one thing only 67% of US corporations pay no income taxes so that's one entitlement they have earned"

duh, most are small S-corps and are taxed as individuals.

Relevance?

#112 | Posted by Bani at 2010-01-25 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

But the people they employee pay income taxes. And their shareholders pay income tax if they see earnings from their stock purchase.

Carry on Sheepie.

"there are no downs syndrome children in the country. they are all aborted"

In a socialist utopia, this would be true. Unfortunately, we have those damned right-to-life assholes here.

Relevance?

#115 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

probably none since Bauer is the orginal family name of the Rothschilds back in Frankenstein times

as opposed to the handouts to big pharma, big farming, bid defense, big banking, big insurance, big automotive, etc etc etc.

have you been paying any attention to what is going on recently?

If you were you would know that the dems are guilty of those very things you are assigning to the republicans.

i assigned them to the republicans only?

I thought we were discussing the merits of stopping welfare.

I only compared it to the actions of our govt to rich people and corporations.

You get that from "Descent into Slavery" Bani? Do you recommend?

Was it wrong for me to point out that the majority of corporations in the US are small companies whose incomes pass through to the owners and are taxed as personal income tax?

Now, I agree with you that companies like IBM that never show a profit are definitely employing better (*wink*) accountants than I.

Paying federal income tax should determine ones eligibility to vote in federal elections.

If you don't pay, you don't have a say.

#102 | Posted by midtowncowboy

Thank goodness the Constitution will not allow stupid ass comments like this from becoming law.

As if income taxes are the only taxes anyone pays.

So I pay around $60,000 a year in Fed taxes (not including state) can I have more then one vote?

#107 | Posted by Chill at 2010-01-25 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag

One for every $10k in taxes.

Welfare reform and bankruptcy reform on poor American citizens was accomplished during Clinton's term in the 90's.

Isn't it about time to end CORPORATE WELFARE AND BANKRUPTCY?

#120

fair enough Truth.

#122 | Posted by 2008 at 2010-01-25 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

So me in the constitution where you are given the 'right to vote'?

Tell us about the other 'significant' federal taxes you pay.

#124 | Posted by woke at 2010-01-25 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are you against jobs?

Welfare reform and bankruptcy reform on poor American citizens...

what welfare reform and bankruptcy reform on poor americans are you against specifically?

"You get that from "Descent into Slavery" Bani? Do you recommend?"

Another book on 'em evil bankers...lol Thanks!

"Was it wrong for me to point out that the majority of corporations in the US are small companies whose incomes pass through to the owners and are taxed as personal income tax?"

In my world there is no absolute right or wrong ~ just choices that lead to greater love or greater power (& greater hell for some & future lifetimes, too:>)...or the muddle inbetween most of us here share in DR more than not or we wouldn't be here

'Now, I agree with you that companies like IBM that never show a profit are definitely employing better (*wink*) accountants than I.'

Hence the power of great accounting & why? He who owns the gold makes the rules, no?

Poor choice of words on Bauer's part.
Sure, the core of his message is accurate but to compare the poor to stray animals was a bit harsh.
Albeit not as harsh as suggesting someone should be shot, hung or otherwise dispatched for stating such an observation but, harsh none the less.
As for school lunch program, I will always stand on the side of innocent children. Granted, some families are abusing the free lunch program however, if you have ever gone to your kid's school and had lunch with them, as I have on dozens of occasions, those meals are meager and very inexpensive. I would much rather spend $1.25 a day to give a kid a public school quality lunch than see then have them go hungry til they get home in the afternoon.
Kids can't choose their parents...it's not their fault their mom or dad doesn't feel them enough.
You have to pick and choose your battles. When it comes to innocent children, I'm not going to go all fiscal-conservative on them. There are bigger fish to fry.

SOMEBODY take the shovel out of this man's hands!

"Bauer told CNN Monday that he regretted using the stray animals metaphor.

"I wish I had used a different metaphor," Bauer said. "I never intended to tie people to animals."

But then the lieutenant-governor made another animal comparison. "If you have a cat, if you take it in your house and feed it and love it, what happens when you go out of town?" he asked, adding that he is "not against animals."

Bauer has repeatedly returned to the animal metaphor in his defense of Friday's remarks. At a gubernatorial forum on Saturday, he denied he was making the link at all.

"There's no way that I was trying to tie animals to people," he said. "What I was trying to talk about is the dependency culture, and just like when you feed an animal, you create a dependency."

Bauer came within a whisker of becoming governor of South Carolina last year when Gov. Mark Sanford disappeared for a week without explanation.

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In an opinion piece at the Spartanburg Spark, Christopher George disputed Bauer's assertion that social-assistance programs create poverty by creating dependence.

[I]f it really is true that government assistance causes poverty, then why is it that the countries with the largest, most expansive social safety nets also have the lowest poverty rates? If food stamps, unemployment insurance, and free school lunches increased poverty, as you and your conservative
------------

That (original statement)drew immediate condemnation from the head of South Carolina's Democratic Party.

"Andre Bauer's crude utterances once again reveal his immaturity and poor judgment," said Carol Fowler, according to WIS-TV in Columbia. "Bauer is a bachelor who has never once had to worry about feeding a child of his own. His notion of punishing children by not feeding them because their parents missed a PTA meeting flies in the face of basic South Carolina values."

basic South Carolina values

Wait....they HAVE values there?

oops

"If it really is true that government assistance causes poverty, then why is it that the countries with the largest, most expansive social safety nets also have the lowest poverty rates? If food stamps, unemployment insurance, and free school lunches increased poverty, as you and your conservative friends claim, then how do you explain the fact that countries like Germany, France, Canada and The Netherlandsall of which have welfare systems far more advanced than ourshave lower poverty rates?"

...doesn't feed them enough...
Sorry about the typos.
Long day in the 'Sandbox'.

When my siblings and I went to private school, we couldn't afford the whole tuition. So, as highschoolers, we had to sweep floors after school, clap erasers, wipe down blackboards, take the trash out, pick up garbage on the school grounds.

School wasn't free. Part was paid by our parents, the rest we earned by our labor.

Maybe for discount or free food, the kids should labor on the school property. Maybe they'd appreciate the school and their gov't. A handout would become compensation.

"Kids can't choose their parents...it's not their fault their mom or dad doesn't feel them enough."

in the worldview where karma is considered to be so, actually it may be the kids fault.

But that doesn't excuse us for not caring enough to do something about it.

But like you said, you have to pick your battles otherwise Haiti's lost children will be your children, too

& we are all G~d's children anyway, so 'listen up':>)

Thruthhurts,

I'm not sure how they got bailed out. Everyone else is expected to sink or swim, why not the banks who got themselves into the mess? Now my first post is a little harsh. I do give to charity and sometimes to someone who asks, but I believe charity should be left up to an individual and churches. Not the government. Unless you're disabled and then you get SS. Crazy because you smoked too much meth is not disabled in my book though.

I think that anyone who is unemployed getting umeployement checks, or food stamps or benefit from the multi-billion dollar bailout should be put to death. In Georgia white males make up the largest port in this category. Care to rethink your position?

Maybe for discount or free food, the kids should labor on the school property

My family was poor when I was young. When I was in third grade, I helped wash dishes at lunchtime for a free lunch. I didn't think twice about it. But I suppose today it would traumatize some poor little darling and the parents would be suing the school for emotional duress.

My family was poor when I was young. When I was in third grade, I helped wash dishes at lunchtime for a free lunch. I didn't think twice about it. But I suppose today it would traumatize some poor little darling and the parents would be suing the school for emotional duress.

I understand what you are saying Goat and I agree in principle but kids today are more engaged in "class warfare" whether or not they even know it. Where I grew up everybody was pretty much lower middle class or worse. Where we live now, kids are subject to the ridicule better off kids will dish out.

For instance, if my daughter had to work in the kitchen with other kids to pay for their lunches, they would get shredded by the other kids for it. It would be horrible.

IMO

-In Georgia white males make up the largest port in this category

Poor white women with children make up most welfare rolls, last I heard.

Kids are cruel and they will make fun of other kids regardless. If they are not working for the school, then kids will make fun of their clothes. Make them wear uniforms and kids make fun of haircuts or facial features or names.

here's my latest facebook status post which I'm explaining to a muslim named Mohamed at the moment via chat line:

"My wish for 2010 is that people will understand that DOWN SYNDROME is not a disease; people with DOWN SYNDROME are not looking for a cure but ACCEPTANCE...93% of people won't copy and paste... this, WILL YOU be one of the 7% that does and make this your status for at least an hour." from another facebook friend's status post

Bauer's uneducated grandmother probably lived through the depression and survived on handouts. And if she is like most old people she recieved something off the public dole (medicare, medicade, meals on wheels or something). Kill the hungry children and the old people. What a novel idea,

I did others' homework in exchange for lunch items...

My parents were too proud to get free lunch...

I certainly didn't have an obesity problem ;)

"of haircuts or facial features or names"

Or even of intelligence.

OH, the angst and eagerness to belong of the youth. The birth of group identity politics.

The city of Nashville added about 32,110 people living below the poverty line between 2000 and 2008, a gain of 4.2 percentage points, reaching 17.5 percent of the city's population.

take their children away and send them to haiti. to lazy to work says the bushlings

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed , into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred , and ye gave me no meat : I was thirsty , and ye gave me no drink : 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in : naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying , Lord, when saw we thee an hungred , or athirst , or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying , Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I did others' homework in exchange for lunch items...

So you cheated.

Explains a lot.

"46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

& life after life with Mister KurtZ whipping them for their miserable sins in the hellholes of the earth currently like haiti ~ No?

He didn't cheat. He did the homework. He found a market that was hungry to service and provided it for a fee. Why do you hate Capitolism? =P

"So you cheated."

Will work for food

A fool and his lunch are soon parted

Little wonder I considered myself a liberal back then ;p

lol

I disagree with Bauer's referencing stray animals for his analogy to the welfare state. But, everything else he said is right on.

Drug testing should be a requirement for assistance.

Seeking employment, and producing verifiable documentation from potential employers, should be required for all welfare recipients in all 50 states and PR who receive federal funding for welfare programs.

Funding for childcare, to enable parents to search for work and then work once they acquire a job, is essential to making the 'hand-up not hand-out' programs effective.

So many other programs need to have accurate and tax-payer accountable oversight.

With so many billions going to countries outside our borders...how can we make it work?

With so many billions going to countries outside our borders...how can we make it work?

#154 | Posted by UpL8 at 2010-01-25 04:15 PM

maybe by starting to cut back on funding Aipac's pet causes?

GREENVILLE - Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer has compared giving people government assistance to "feeding stray animals."

I agree! They are picky too!

Except he's not referring to the "true Needy". These people are out of the system. Why? The true needy don't look to the government for help or simply don't know how to get help or don't know it's available.

The "animals" he was referring to are the ones in the System-- You know... Obama voters. Liberals tend to think that the common bum or in another time, the Hobo and the conventional name, "Homeless"... They think that all these people need is a place to stay, a warm meal and a job to get back on their feet. Yeah right!

You see? I know this because My family's been needy before and I didn't work the system because I didn't know there was a system. We never went hungry because we had family, but we didn't know that there were community resources until we started looking.

BTW, the community resources are scarce because too many people are feeding the strays! We have abundance in this country, but it seems the more abundance you have, the more scarcity you seem to have

It's sad, but it's the truth.

This just in: Stray Animals compare the GOP to
the needy.

You see? I know this because My family's been needy before and I didn't work the system because I didn't know there was a system.

Without logic, this just wouldn't be so damn funny!

Paying federal income tax should determine ones eligibility to vote in federal elections.

If you don't pay, you don't have a say.

#102 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2010-01-25 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, a poll tax is unconstitutional.

He didn't cheat. He did the homework. He found a market that was hungry to service and provided it for a fee.

There is no such thing as cheating in the capitalist mind. Only profit. The bottom line for every good Christian republican.

...capitalist mind. Only profit. The bottom line for every good Christian republican.

So there are no capitalists who are democrats or atheists? Interesting. I never knew that, ringo.

So there are no capitalists who are democrats or atheists? Interesting. I never knew that, ringo.

There is a hell of a lot you don't know goaty.

What an asshole.

#7 | Posted by Scrumplet

Some of you just can't handle the truth. What he said, while somewhat crude, was spot on. Have you happened to have seen the population numbers lately? This planet could do with a thinning of the herd.

There is a hell of a lot you don't know goaty.

I freely admit it and have done so many times on this forum. The people you have to worry about, however, are the idiots who make outrageous statements like you did in your post 160 and believe that they do know it to be true. Never trust a person who doesn't know his intellectual limitations to be good for anything other than a mocking laugh or two.

This planet could do with a thinning of the herd.

You are right, and it will happen. It's only a matter of time until the right bacteria or germ makes the right random mutation that we can't stop.

Ever wondered where our species would be right now if the flu was as communicable as AIDS?

the flu was as communicable as AIDS? =

AIDS was as communicable as the flu

Then there is this point of view on Aids ~ my friend the Goat:>)

Thursday, January 21, 2010
Jon Rappoport reviews documentary film "House of Numbers"
A NEW FILM ABOUT AIDS

JANUARY 20, 2010. Brent Leung, a young Canadian filmmaker, has just released House of Numbers, which explores every basic official fact about AIDSand finds these facts shot through with doubts and holes.

The accuracy of HIV tests; the competing and unclear definitions of AIDS; whether HIV causes AIDS; overblown case numbers; the safety and efficacy of the medicines; the supposed lethality of HIV; all these issues come up for review.

Bani, I have one fucking question for you. Since you doubt that HIV causes AIDS, will you be willing to inject yourself with infected blood to prove your claim?

Somehow, I suspect that you and the rest of the HIV denialists are intellectually dishonest pieces of shit unwilling to put their money where their mouths are. A simple yes or no will suffice to the above question. Anything else would simply show you don't have the balls to stand by for your asinine statements. So what will it be, Bani?

We do need to reduce the welfare rolls. How do you suggest that be done cor?

#13 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Which includes medicare and social security..BOTH are welfare programs. Care to take that on Einstein?

RepubliCons are southern backwoods hillbillys who all fought and killed for the "right" to own, cage and torture other humans and treat them worse than we do animals

Of course all these Neocon skinHeads have always believed, like Hitler, that they are superior and deserve to control, exploit and degrade other races

With an even sicker irony, these RepubliCon soldiers for Satan mock y'all and god by claiming to be "christians" after killing and torturing in Iraq and "conservative" after looting $9 trillion generational theft American dollars more to the $3 trillion in national debt under Clinton
- Yep, Republicans quadrupled in 8 years the America's lifetime of National debt!!
With Nothing, nada, zilch but world bankruptcy and carnage to show for it!

And y'alls just ditto identically in full goose step march along and chant for more, more, More!!

( have to imagine the sweaty Rush chanting, bouncing, gritting in coke raged SkinHead rant!)

Ever wondered where our species would be right now if the flu was as communicable as AIDS?

Drinking and posting bullshit like this on the internet is a great example of why alcohol is bad for your health. someone needs to explain to goaty how flu is spread and how AIDS is spread. Messin' with whores is the problem with AIDS. Being near anyone is the problem with the flu. Two very different transmission methods.

Two very different transmission methods.

duh. That's why I posed my hypothetical question.

Chill

Fuck

Guess what? His point, inarticulate as it may have been, was on target. We are creating a welfare generation by giving away money. Welfare recipients are having large numbers of children and teaching them to BE welfare recipients.

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2010-01-25 10:34 AM

Had enviornmentalist whackos, union slugs and punitive corporate taxation not pushed our factories overseas perhaps many of these people would have a place to work.

Until this country begins once again to produce necessary, tangible, and market driven products from RAW materials to completion of finished products (aka REAL MANUFACURING) we will continue only to decline until our utter collapse.

A nation of only consumers is in time only consumed.

When people allow themselves to belive we can have our current lifestyle and that nothing and nobody has to get dirty in the process that is the ultimate in "willing ignorance".

Until we start melting our own steel, rubber, plastic, wire etc. and BUILDING THINGS we'll only continue our downward spiral.

Shit, we're even giving away our ability to feed ourselves. Use the google.

It's easy to say get a job to someone when you have one. How many of you that say that are willing to say, have my job?

The laws of supply and demand are at work in any economic system.

There's a lot of 35k a year attorneys, too.

Some of you just can't handle the truth. What he said, while somewhat crude, was spot on. Have you happened to have seen the population numbers lately? This planet could do with a thinning of the herd.

#163 | Posted by everlong

or in other words...

``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge,
"they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

Had enviornmentalist whackos, union slugs and punitive corporate taxation not pushed our factories overseas perhaps many of these people would have a place to work.
#173 | Posted by Washboard

So we should just let corporations pollute our water and air, let them pay unlivable wages with no safety rules and let them use public resources without paying for them just so they don't move somewhere else where they can do that with impunity? Merely to keep up their level of obscene profit?

why isn't this guy the very evidence of that which he speaks, because he's rich? he's certainly as stupid as they come. and [in] SC that's as stupid as stupid gets!

then he did it again.

oo-oo...LOOK!

drum-roll... DRUG TEST.

fucking fascist nazis.

fucking fascist nazis.

The nazis didn't like their entitlements going towards drug usage either?

you "on point" idiots start at the top and _go ahead_... let me know when you get all the way down to that breaking your back charity option and i just might re-up my [g]libertarian card.

i hope you all have to go on Food Stamps -- no tp, no soap, and the only shelter in town is 2 weeks then $19. a day w/ mandatory long term program.

ever sleep in your Ford Escort car? no, of course not, you all have 4 wheelin' SUVs sucking up the resources. what do you care, i mean really. so ppl should have moved their homes before Katrina hit, etc.

what was it someone here reminded us of not long? oh, remember your Carlin: if half the world is as dumb as you think they are, remember, the other half is dumber. something like that.

#179 I've been destitute before. Not exact circumstance you describe, but as bad. Will you grant me the right to voice my opinion now, god? Or do I have to actually sleep in an Escort first?

ELCID says:
"for those who think he is incorrect - please provide evidence of one entitlement program for the poor which has eliminated the poor."

Sure, Exxon has a few bigwigs and Ideas Men who know full well what they're destroying at any given point in time, and who they're ripping off along the way, but its the little eichmanns all the way down the corporate foodchain who keep the wheels turning.

the rest of your post reeks of the same disease.

destitute, eh? let's get on the same page: how did you survive, where did you get food, where did you clean yourself, etc.?

and most importantly, to remain exactly OT: should you have been killed?

btw, what was Rushbo's sentence for his drug "ring"?
"Limbaugh turned himself in to authorities about 4 p.m. on a warrant for fraud to conceal information to obtain a prescription, the first charge in the nearly 3-year-old case, said Teri Barbera, a spokeswoman for the state attorney. He was released an hour later on $3,000 bail. Limbaugh's attorney, Roy Black, said his client and prosecutors reached a settlement on a charge of doctor shopping.
Under the deal, Limbaugh would eventually see the charge dismissed in 18 months if he continues treatment for drug addiction, Black said."

fucking nazis. nazis that can be bought and sold not "real" nazis. little eichmanns... nazi enough to kill.

talk all ya want. i already know you and what you think, so i ain't listening.

at #14:
yeah, kill 'em all!

at #13:
that is EXACTLY the logical end of this sort of speech, nothing is added that isn't already present

destitute, eh? let's get on the same page: how did you survive, where did you get food, where did you clean yourself, etc.?

Bulk rice with coins I scraped together and grapefruit I pilfered off of trees in people's yard during the worst days.

and most importantly, to remain exactly OT: should you have been killed?

No. Did I advocate that?

btw, what was Rushbo's sentence for his drug "ring"?

???

Fuck who knows? Who cares? What does that have to do with anything?
OK. I answered some of your questions. Answer mine. Do you grant me the right to talk about the poor and destitute? Or will your self-eightesousness not allow that?

so i ain't listening.

I didn't have to be told that. Now back up to your lofty perch you and your self-rightousness go.

One of the Democrat ilk says something racist, and Democrats support them.

One the Republican ilk says something which might sound racist, and the Democrats start talking about Rush Limbaugh!!!

You idiots are becoming laughing stocks for your inability to discuss the important issue, because your party has as its first platform agenda: Hatemongering For Votes. After that, it is all about forcing your will onto the American public.

Now, the rest of the world can see what partisan idiocy is all about ... and where they will go in practicing it, themselves ...

I think the Democratic Party is a done goose ... or hung as a gander ...

What a dork.

And it isn't such a bad suggestion to have parents participate with PTA or meetings with teachers or whatever.

But if the family is poor--they may have two jobs and can't go to anything.

Which includes medicare and social security..BOTH are welfare programs.

Hmm last time I checked you get into social security what you pay into it. As far as medicare goes, last time I checked everyone pays a tax on this. Medicare is nothing to brag about. People without gap insurance are not sufficeintly covered.

"last time I checked you get into social security what you pay into it. "

Not even close.

Not even close.

Not even. When I look at these annual statements SS sends out, I figure at the very best I'll get back about 40% what I put in -- and even that's only if I cheat the actuarial tables.

What i meant is that you certainly are not going to get MORe than what you put into it. My father uses SS payments to pay his mortgage on his vacation home.

How's Miami, Timbci?

The Lt. Gov. might be on the right track but he's using the wrong focus group.

Children, of course, should never be punished for the ills of their parents. That's just plain wrong.

Perhaps he should focus more on breaking the cycle of welfare (not to mention violence, drug use and the predictable recidivism) by denying food to the people who least deserve this thing called social welfare.

Kill three birds with one stone, so to speak. Stop feeding prisoners . . . both state and federal.

No more three hots and a cot for scofflaws.

Using Lt. Governor's Bauer's logic (re stray animals) it costs much more to feed a prisoner than it does to feed a child. Therefore, free food should be denied to all prisoners in order to guarantee that the cycle of welfare and recidivism is broken forever.

/SNARK (In case anybody thinks I was being serious.)

How's Miami, Timbci?

#191 | Posted by goatman

I am in Orlando. I have never been to Miami.
I went to Season's 52

I went to Season's 52

I have no idea what that is. Is it the sequel to Ocean's 11?

It is a chain restaurant. All the dishes are 500 calories. Most are in Florida. There is one in Cherry Hill and near Villanova.

why not reference prisons instead of schools.. and when do those death panels kick in?

old people, prisons, kids who can't buy lunch at school... gas them all.

Hungry Children equals 'Stray Animals' in republican speak.

Seems strange coming from a Lt Gov. of a state in which almost 60% of kids are on some sort of school lunch assistance. How nice of him.

Welfare reform from the 90's is a great example of a Democrat President being bit led into conservative fiscal reform.

Bullshiat.

Rethugs like pretending their party still has something to do with fiscal responsibility but in reality the Dems have been much more fiscally responsible fer decades now.

Comparing people in need with stray animals?

Wanting to cut off food to poor kids?

Hope this Andre Bauer fucktard doesn't actually consider himself a Christian.

Cos if Jebus came back right now the first thing he would do is pimp slap that biatch into eternity.

Be Well.

He said something that is the absolute truth.

The PC crowd hates truth.

Therefore, the PC crowd hates what he said, and used the press to mis-characterize it.

End all welfare, NOW!

End all welfare, NOW!

Posted by Pontius

Assume you are including farm subsidies, home mortgage deduction, AIG in that?

I love this thread, more proof that you people don't give a flying fuck about "life." You are all about them BEFORE they are born, fuck em after that. You want live poor children so that they can be raised to be dead soldiers.

I love this thread, more proof that you people don't give a flying fuck about "life."

"You people"? How condescending. Do "you people" always paint with a broad brush or is it just you?

Perhaps he should focus more on breaking the cycle of welfare... by denying food to the people who least deserve this thing called social welfare.

Amen to that!

Stop feeding prisoners -- #192 | Posted by Twinpac

Prisoners? I thought you were talking about bankers.

#202 | Posted by goatman at

No, not it's not just me, all of us know that you people are fucked.

This is great, saying "You people" makes me a bad person.

"Hungry kids should be kept in kennels and then euthanized if no one wants to take care of their starving asses" puts this ass fuck on the short list of republican nominees for president.

"Hungry kids should be kept in kennels and then euthanized if no one wants to take care of their starving asses" ... -- #204 | Posted by NoGov4Me

You're giving Bauer too much credit. He likened hungry children to stray animals, not domesticated animals. Indicates he thinks they should be thrown outside to fend for themselves.

"Hungry kids should be kept in kennels and then euthanized if no one wants to take care of their starving asses" ... -- #204 | Posted by NoGov4Me

You're giving Bauer too much credit. He likened hungry children to stray animals, not domesticated animals. Indicates he thinks they should be thrown outside to fend for themselves.

#205 | Posted by Phoenix

Actually, this is not about hungry children.

Hungry children are either taken care of by the state or they're hidden from the system (tragic!).

Bauer is talking about the chronic welfare junkies.

The real tragedy, however, are the Libs who don't understand the difference!

Again... we live in the most abundant times in human history and there continues to be lack...

Why?

Remind me>

Didn't welfare get reformed to Welfare to Work during Clinton's term? (for the poor American citizens that is, not for giant, global corporations)

Same with bankruptcy. It was reformed for individuals, not for corporations.

Interesting how the last 40 years of Republican policies have led to this huge unemployment and broken economy.

And now, all their supporters want to blame the victims of their policies and let them starve, eh?

Compassionate Conservatives=oxymoron

Interesting how the last 40 years of Republican policies have led to this huge unemployment and broken economy.

#208 | Posted by woke

The neocons brought us to this.

And, sadly, Obama, Pelosi and Reid are neocons.

-And, sadly, Obama, Pelosi and Reid are neocons

Sadly, this poster lives in alternate reality.

OK, comically.

And, sadly, Obama, Pelosi and Reid are neocons.

Don't forget Bill Clinton and Al Gore.

YOu know....pretty much the most influencial and powerful democrats over the past 15-20 years.

Uh yes, all those people were PNAC signers.

You guys are pity-ful.... just plain pity-ful.

They both have become Neocons.

A true liberal would believe in self-determination of countries to choose their own path, not force them on the path we think is right.

A true conservative would believe in the self-determination of countries to choose their own path, not interfere with the internal politics of another government just as they would not want another government playing with ours.

Uh yes, all those people were PNAC signers.

Obama didn't sign the declaration of Independence.

I guess he is a commie.

Are you suggesting that the only neocons are folks who signed that?

idiot.

-Are you suggesting that the only neocons are folks who signed that?

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm saying that all the PNAC signers are righwingers, and none of the people you mention are rightwingers.

-They both have become Neocons.

(sigh) The more I read crap like that, the more I think Mao is right about you.

Actually, this is not about hungry children. -- #206 | Posted by Eddie

He was complaining about the school lunch program. He explained that he learned from the sage advice of his grandmother to

quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You're facilitating the problem. If you give an animal or person a food supply, they will reproduce. Especially the ones that don't think much further than that...

You show me the school that has the highest free and reduced lunch, and I'll show you the worst test scores, folks. It's there!

and none of the people you mention are rightwingers.

you are crazy.

Reid and Pelosi are trying to enact legislation that is nothing more than a gigantic payoff to large corporations such as insurance and big pharma.

they have accepted more $$$ from special interest than in history.

you might care what letter is beside their name but that is what makes you a sheep.

they appear to be pretty "rightwinger" to me.

...it's also available at www.cbsnews.com . -- #216

Oops... and in the article that's linked here.

The more I read crap like that, the more I think Mao is right about you.

#215 | Posted by Corky at 2010-01-26 11:38 AM |

Don't care. If you read the rest, you would see why I said what I said.

Like what Harry Reid said, it's true, but in bad form.

The difference is that the Dems defended Reid and will attack this truth teller.

-a gigantic payoff to large corporations such as insurance and big pharma.

Ah good. So you'll join me in supporting a single payer plan?

Thought not.

The Bill will stop us from being the only large industrialized nation in the world not to provide universal health care.

And, it's a little late for righwingers to pretend they care about anything other than their corporate masters.

-will attack this truth teller

First they rounded up the stray needy folk and euthanized them......

then they went after the beer-guzzling, chubby chasing Bills fans and euthanized them.... OK, so maybe you have a point.

Ah good. So you'll join me in supporting a single payer plan?

Thought not.

Ah good, when having had one's ass kicked in debate, a libtard assigns a position to the opponent.

weak.

I don't support making the moon our 51st state either but that wasn't a campaign promise from Obama was it?

A public option was, and I supported that.

single payer plan? I'm not against it. My problem with it is Americans pretending they care about heath care when they don't care about their health.

And, it's a little late for righwingers to pretend they care about anything other than their corporate masters.

more bullshit hypocrisy from you. the "corporate masters" have been throwing all their money at the dems.

but continue to whine "righwingers" with a huge boot in your ass.

Jesus started all of this when he fed the multitudes.
Long haired socialist freak.

-one's ass kicked in debate

hahaha! Where's that Funny Flag?

You should take your foot out of your mouth before you try putting it up someone's ass, Beverly.

I transcribed this from Daily Show video, but it's also available at www.cbsnews.com .

#216 | Posted by Phoenix

Phoenix, Can you continue with what you actually mean by this?

We really need to define "poor", here.

I define poor as those who need an initial hand to help them get to point where they can help themselves. For example, someone is hanging from a cliff with their kids and you throw them a rope and with great effort and emotion you save them. You would hope that they don't near the cliff again!

If you have to go to the cliff every day to throw them a rope, you eventually start thinking about taking their kids to a safer spot. But you don't want to break up the family either.

The Bill will stop us from being the only large industrialized nation in the world not to provide universal health care.

And, it's a little late for righwingers to pretend they care about anything other than their corporate masters.

#221 | Posted by Corky

G-D! You have got to be the most dense asshole I've ever seen!

What part of "The Dems have rejected ALL of the Republican ideas for Health Care Reform" do you not understand!??!

Who makes money from food stamps and welfare? Who makes money off our large prison population? I love it when people may rash statements about how tax dollars are flushed away when in essence they are recirculated and they make up a significant portion of our GNP. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lt. Govenor or his family owned a welfare financed business. I bet if you looked at the over impact of welfare and gov't programs you might find that more Republicans than Dems benefit.

Ah, Bev, now that was Abusive. You think a First Class Self-Proclaimed Debate Wiener could do without the ad hominem.

-You have got to be the most dense asshole I've ever seen!

No mirrors at home.

"The Dems have rejected ALL of the Republican ideas for Health Care Reform"

If you bothered to watch the hearings on CSPAN, you'd have seen 80 something Repub amendments voted on, and some passed in the Senate.

Or you might have seen Jim Demint admit that it was all about bringing down the Pres, not about health care.

But no, ignorance is what you do best.

Welfare's Changing Face
By Dan Froomkin
Washingtonpost.com Staff
Updated July 23, 1998

Welfare as we knew it no longer exists.

The New System

The welfare "reform" of the Clinton era consists of two major elements: a revolutionary change in the basic goals set by the federal government; and a dramatic "devolution" of responsibility turning what used to be a federal, centralized system over to the states.

Reflecting the new federal mission, welfare rules now:

Require most recipients to work within two years of receiving assistance,
Limit most assistance to five years total, and
Let states establish "family caps" to deny additional benefits to mothers for children born while the mothers are already on public assistance.
The devolution to the states is in some ways even more dramatic. Traditionally, the federal government set eligibility guidelines on a national basis, then parceled out money to the states to fund specific programs at certain levels. But now, the federal money allocated for public assistance is sent to the states in block grants. The federal role is limited to setting goals, financial penalties and rewards.

I bet if you looked at the over impact of welfare and gov't programs you might find that more Republicans than Dems benefit.

#229 | Posted by bigblackie

Incorrect!

Only Democrats benefit from the "expansion" of the welfare programs. Welfare programs are very much needed as local fire and police protection, roads and libraries are needed. It is the Expansion of the welfare programs where the Democrats (Liberals) greatly benefit!

Remember the bill in the last Congress to "expand" the Medicaid program to include "childern" up to the age of 26 and to expand it to include ALL children, regardless of their parent's income?

The Dems stole a great deal of political power from that trick. You had stupid people all over repeating how much Republicans hate children!!!

Katrina blew the lid off of the largest hidden Liberal power control center in Louisiana. Liberals have been controlling the people of Louisiana and keeping them down with free housing, food, education.... The largest vote buying scheme in the history of the US.

BTW, The prison phenomenon in this country is a much different topic and it sits squarely as the fault of the neocons.

#230 | Posted by Corky

I don't think I've ever seen anyone appear to argue but end up kicking their own ass!

Amazing!

Slow Eddie Felson... lmao! Paul Newman would roll over in his grave....

lmao!

Trying to demonize Andre` for telling the truth - no matter how politically incorrect it is/was - doesn't take away from it being a fact. Dems/Libs will try to discredit the opposing side claiming them to be IMMORAL. When all he did was state the truth and pretty much saying how the majority of the nation feels about welfare. If Dems/Libs can keep people dependant on the government, they can keep them scared and by keeping them scared they can keep their vote. THAT..IS IMMORAL! Perhaps that needs to be pointed out to the critics of truth telling. It's immoral to allow people to be a burden on society when they are able bodied individuals who feel they deserve a handout. Additionally, LT Gov. Andre` has never suggested taking away a child's government benefits (school lunch, etc) because of the parent's behavior. He strongly believes in parents/citizens being responsible, productive and accountable. It's those who "NEED" help who should receive it. Most people on welfare are capable of working...they choose not to...and THAT...IS IMMORAL! They are stealing from taxpaers...AND THAT IS IMMORAL!

And after decades on end, there has NEVER been any reform of CORPORATE WELFARE, eh?

#231 | Posted by woke

Woke, shit! I agree with you.

The neocon agenda to keep American Corporations not only string globally but an absolute ass-kicking force that eliminates all global competition, In my opinion.

This globalism is making American Corporations very strong, but making America weak. Mostly because it not only allows, but encourages corporations to outsource overseas. It weakens us because the technical skill sets that we've built up over the decades are not being replaced as people retire.

Jobs are going to support Government and Retail!

Slow Eddie Felson... lmao! Paul Newman would roll over in his grave....

lmao!

#234 | Posted by Corky at 2010-01-26 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Was beat up on the playground... ALOT!

Let me answer my own questions. Big grocery concerns benefit greatly from food stamps because it puts additional customers in their store which put more demand for food producers and etc. .

Companies who build and manage prisons benefit greatly from having a steady prison population hence the large prison industrial complex. Much like the military-industrial complex. Does anyone believe that of the trillions of dollars spent by the government that it goes primarily to Dems. If the federal spending programs were to dry up today the economy would tank. We think the health care industry is a major portion of economy but it pales in comparison to what is spent on social programs and other federal programs. And contrary to popular belief only a small portion is spent on free lunch or food stamps. The poor is a easy target, let stop paying the Haliburtions of the world.

Let me answer my own questions. Big grocery concerns benefit greatly from food stamps because it puts additional customers in their store which put more demand for food producers and etc. .

#238 | Posted by bigblackie

nice try, but the political capital is gained by the Liberals (Progressives). Please don't try to hide this fact. You agree with me on this, right?

Allowing them to shop anywhere is a benefit given to them by the Progressives! Ever tried "Government Cheese?"

Progrssives also want to make it easier for welfare recipients hide the fact that they are using foodstamps. Using a Debit Card is only a tool!

I agree with you on the Prisons, but don't give me the bullshit that Welfare IN ANY WAY benefits Conservatives.

Slow Eddie

"If it really is true that government assistance causes poverty, then why is it that the countries with the largest, most expansive social safety nets also have the lowest poverty rates?

If food stamps, unemployment insurance, and free school lunches increased poverty, as you and your conservative friends claim, then how do you explain the fact that countries like Germany, France, Canada and The Netherlands all of which have welfare systems far more advanced than ours have lower poverty rates?"

systems far more advanced than ours have lower poverty rates?"

#240 | Posted by Corky

Define poverty! That that lying Progressive definition either!!

What's their tax rate? What's their unemployment rate?

Do they all have access to the best health care in the world?

Do they have the same skill base that we have? Do they have the same University capacity we have? Do they have the same number of inventions recorded every year?

Should I go on?

The poorest person in the US lives better than 95% of the rest of the world.

The Progressives tell you that the poverty level in our country is lower, but they seem to misplace these people every time I ask where they are.

The phenomenon that you are missing is that once we find the poverty, the poverty disappears!!!!

We have a great country and you are simply buying the lies of the Progressives.

Who the fuck are you? Che Guevara? He had a cause, something to fight against. You are fighting ghosts.

You just don't get it. If I give a poor person a food stamp debit card then the trickle down or trickle up effects more than just the recipient. Kinda like the Bush tax cut, it puts more money in people's pocket to spend which impacts them as well as any conservative or liberal business owner or any liberal or conservative stockowner who benefit from a sale to a spender. A spender is a spender regardless of where the dollar comes from. A retailer doesn't care if it's a minimun wage dollar or a rich dollar or a welfare dollar. Kroger will take a food debit card just as quickly as a visa debit. CVS will take a medicare reimbursement just as quickly as it will one from Kaiser Permanente.
If Liberal are the sole owners of enterprise in this country then I would agree with you. But green has no party affiliation. A dollar is a dollar.

Perhaps I should just call you Molasses, eh?

Define poverty! That that lying Progressive definition either!!

TH:Poverty refers to the condition of not having the means to afford basic human needs such as clean water, nutrition, health care, clothing and shelter. There are definitive measurable matrices of poverty.

What's their tax rate?

You just don't get it.
#242 | Posted by bigblackie

I do get it and you are right, the neocon agenda does get benefit from it, but not near as much as the Progressives get.

The voters "reward" the Progressives by voting them into office when they give them "free shit"

I do get it and you are right, the neocon agenda does get benefit from it, but not near as much as the Progressives get.

The voters "reward" the Progressives by voting them into office when they give them "free shit"

#245 | Posted by Eddie

hmmm how much of the "free shit" winds up in the hands of the wealthy.

lets see handouts to big Pharm-straight to corporations

handouts to big Farms straight to big corporations

handouts to defense contractors-straight to big corporations

handouts to big oil companies-straight to big corporations.

handouts to poor people to buy food-people spend money that goes to big corporations,

Do they all have access to the best health care in the world?

TH: and we do? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 37th despite spending by far the most.
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#244 | Posted by truthhurts

You are as obtuse as some of the ignorant fuckers I talk to from time to time.

He was telling that the health care in Iran was better.

Why? I asked.

He looked squarely at me and said, because it's cheaper!

It's better because it's cheaper? I said? Have you lost your mind?

Truth, is this the way you Progressives think? Obviously you do. The link you showed me prove it!!

The thing is what I said before. You Progressives don't understand the problem!!! You don't understand that THERE IS NO PROBLEM!!!!

YOU MAKE UP PROBLEMS TO STEAL POWER!!!

The last 2 elections prove PROVE that.

You get people to believe that they have problems so that you can rob the hard working people and spread the wealth!!

You fuckers are theives!

AGAIN!!! SHOW ME PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY IN POVERTY AND I WILL HELP THEM!!!!!!

#244 | Posted by truthhurts

Debt and Prisons, I completely agree with you.

And the voters reward conservatives when they get free shit. Like free defense, free roads, free loans, free bailouts, free air traffic control etc..
There is no such thing as a free ride. Some of us taxpayers have to pay. I don't mind giving my taxes to the less fortunate, it's the greedy and rich that don't pay their share.

handouts to poor people to buy food-people spend money that goes to big corporations,

#247 | Posted by truthhurts

I completely agree with ALL of this post.

However, I don't see the Democrats nor the Republicans doing anything about this.

There is no such thing as a free ride. Some of us taxpayers have to pay. I don't mind giving my taxes to the less fortunate, it's the greedy and rich that don't pay their share.

#250 | Posted by bigblackie

Actually, to sum up. I do not mind paying taxes to go toward the services needed to help less fortunate. I was one of them in 2002. I was caught in the safety net when I didn't even know it was there. I could not imagine the gas company shutting off my heat in the middle of winter! They didn't and I was thankful!

There is a delicate balance of providing for the true needy and expanding it to provide for those who have become dependent on the welfare.

You are as obtuse as some of the ignorant fuckers I talk to from time to time.

He was telling that the health care in Iran was better.

Why? I asked.

He looked squarely at me and said, because it's cheaper!

It's better because it's cheaper? I said? Have you lost your mind?

TH: My link has Iran at 93rd ranked health care.

Rest of your argument appears to be with the voices in your head.

Truth, is this the way you Progressives think? Obviously you do. The link you showed me prove it!!

TH: The link I posted has the US ranked 37th, Iran 93rd. Your point?

The thing is what I said before. You Progressives don't understand the problem!!! You don't understand that THERE IS NO PROBLEM!!!!

TH: Ok I will keep that in mind as I go to my health benefits meeting tommorow where we discuss the option of cutting benefits or finding a way to pay for a 23% rate increase.

YOU MAKE UP PROBLEMS TO STEAL POWER!!!

TH: cough cough gay marriage cough cough

The last 2 elections prove PROVE that.

TH: cough cough gay marriage cough cough

You get people to believe that they have problems so that you can rob the hard working people and spread the wealth!!

TH: cough cough social security, cough cough iraq poses an imminent threat of mushroom clouds cough cough, terrorists gonna gitcha cough cough.

You fuckers are theives!

TH: so where exactly did the $9 billion that disappeared in Iraq go to?

AGAIN!!! SHOW ME PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY IN POVERTY AND I WILL HELP THEM!!!!!!

I see the poor everyday when I see a cashier @ Walmart or an employee at Burger King or many of the manual laborers that can be seen as you travel around any city. I see them @ church, in the thrift stores, in the soup lines, the unemployment lines, the job interview lines. I see them riding the train to work, with their kids in the park and @ Mc Donalds. The poor are all over the place. Most are working poor, living off minimum or slightly more wages. Making $500 a week or less. Trying to pay their bills and getting ripped off by whoever can get to them. I see them and it appears as thought they are multiplying. But the way to stop them is to deny them food. Let's try that and see how that works for us. Just don't lose your job.

I'm all for school food programs, but there's little argument that welfare in general is getting out of hand.
No, it isn't. Since Clinton reformed welfare during his presidency and required the pursuit of work and job training for recipients, two million recipients of welfare have become workers and gotten off the welfare rolls. Up until the economy went south, the problem of people needing welfare assistance was getting better, not worse.

#31 | POSTED BY RCADE

I keep hearing the same ol' the welfare is out of control mantra from the right, but never any numbers to prove it is out of control. As rcade stated Clinton and the repub congress basically slashed welfare roles and it has been declining until the great recession hit..

By the 18th century, court rulings established the racial basis of the American incarnation of slavery to apply chiefly to Black Africans and people of African descent, and occasionally to Native Americans. In part because of the success of tobacco as a cash crop in the Southern colonies, its labor-intensive character caused planters to import more slaves for labor by the end of the 17th century than did the northern colonies. The South had a significantly high number and proportion of slaves in the population.
Twelve million Africans were shipped to the Americas from the 16th to the 19th centuries.Of these, an estimated 645,000 were brought to what is now the United States. The slave population in the United States had grown to four million by the 1860 Census.

Seems to me that the South, which today are the vast majority of Republican states, are the one responsible for the black population's problems today. My liberal ass, Yankee descendant's of the early 1900 immigrants didn't bring the slaves here...Why should MY tax money pay for the problems that the people (Republicans) who created this mess and who are whining the most about it!

This would be an Indigenous problem dating back to the white master's laziness. Couldn't white folk pick cotton, or were all the white folks on 18th and 19th century welfare...hmmm

Just sayin...

We don't hear many solutions from Southern Republicans other than, "stray animals" problem...Wonder if the LT GOVERNOR's family owned slaves...hmmm

#256 Outstanding Post!!

You are exactly right -
the RepubliCons (Southern Billys like Bush) END-game is to keep fighting the Civil War forever until they diminish, bankrupt and destroy the US Government that dared to forbid them from owning, exploiting and torturing humans for trade

The entire reason all RepubliCons blocked the American Reinvestment act and the McPain Camp-in-saign demanded to "stay the course" towards the brink of full depression is because that was the Neocon plan all along to bankrupt America and all Americans!!

Then, the Corporatists and Elitists and Bush "have more's" get all of us so desperate and forced
to forfeit our homes to them and work twice as hard and long for half the pay
-> Indentured Servants (ie. slaves)

Yet, you non-Have-more ditto dummies keep drinking all their paid kool aid

Biggest,Richest Industry in America is Right Wing CORPORATE WELFARE!!!

"We are creating a welfare generation by giving away money."

Hey you're right ASSHOLE! (Bail Outs & Phony Wars) Yes we are creating a welfare generation...of "Right Wing" Banksters and Corporations and Military Contractors who are living off the US Taxpayers and BLEEDING them completely Dry at the same time!!!

TH:Camden NJ
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#253 | Posted by truthhurts

Where are the people? You are a big a liar as Michael Moore! Why do you hate America?

psst the reason why our "poor" dont look like those poor people you see in Africa being visited by Sally Struthers is due to our functioning welfare system.

#253 | Posted by truthhurts

Finally!!! You agree with me.

Thank you for defining Poverty!

So, they really are ok and taken care of. What are you bitching about then?

Oh! Now you bastards want to spread the wealth.

Yes we are creating a welfare generation...of "Right Wing" Banksters and Corporations .

Hmm.... Didn't Obama receive more than in campaign contributions from Banks than McCain. Chuck Schumer is a big supporter of those evil investment banks. Doesn't Geithner have ties to Goldman Sachs??? Just asking

You are a big a liar as Michael Moore! Why do you hate America?

#259 | Posted by Eddie

The same Michael Moore who said this?

"I think, all kidding aside, that this is another example of the Democrats are essentially a bunch of wimps. They don't have the guts. They don't have the courage of their own convictions. They're disgusting. I'm embarrassed. I want really nothing to do with them. And if they don't find their spine, well, they're in for a huge surprise in November."

yeah! what a big fat dirty liar huh?

(about the headline)
No he didnt. He compared "feeding" stray animals to welfare benefits for those who just dont want to lift a finger to help themselves. ok?

And if they don't find their spine, well, they're in for a huge surprise in November."

yeah! what a big fat dirty liar huh?

#262 | Posted by donnerboy

Ok, I rescind.

Only because it's occurred to me that more and more Democrats and starting to see what I see in Washington.