Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, January 21, 2010

It is my strong personal belief that chronic trolls substantially diminish the DR. I realize that perceptions of "troll" activity differ from person to person. In fact certain posters (specifically the trolls out there) probably take umbrage at the question being asked. But I also think that the vast majority of us, if we choose to be intellectually honest, know precisely who the chronic trolls are. So the question in my mind is, do most of you out there believe the DR would be a better or worse site if Rcade actually took a more proactive role in weeding them out.

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It is possible I am in the minority on this issue. But I don't think so.

I think you want to 'weed out' people with whom you disagree. Prove I am wrong and list five left wing trolls who you think should be kicked off the DR.

I haven't named any trolls, left wing or right wing. I don't care what the political affiliation is. Trolls are bad and make the site less enjoyable. No partisanship is being invoked.

The vast majority of the blogs here on DR rapidly degrade to that of a chat room instead of a discussion of the topic at hand. Many times I see a topic I think would be interesting, only to find the comments have been hijacked by trolls and hateful people with little or nothing to add to the discussion.
I don't mind the partisanship or the out-right party hacks. Those posters help to remind everyone why our system of government is broken and how the 'team' mentality perpetuates our country's overall governmental corruption.
It's really just the schoolyard psychosis of the posters who suffer from arrested development that make me click off DR before I'm really ready to leave. You can only read the same tired mud slinging and petty name calling before you simply burn out.
Should RCADE block or ban the trolls? Unfortunately, that would be futile. These kids will simply return under a new username to get their hate fix.

Personally I find their childish trolling to be quite amusing.

Once you know who is a troll and who is not, you can just breeze past.

There are many threads I just ignore, anyone not interested in Moder8's polls can do the same. What's the big deal?

Right on Danni,

Just as I know that anything posted by babbler will be short on facts and long on irrelevant capital letters.

Can we do a poll about whether these polls are getting ridiculous?

Am I a troll.

I kinda look like one, but don't live under a bridge.

Can you quantify the criteria a little better?

(i.e. random caps, racial slurs, etc)

For me, I define a troll as a person who regularly posts comments, the vast majority of which are insulting and derisive of another poster. (Obviously, the occasional snarky comment doesn't make a poster ipso facto a troll.) I also include as trolls those posters who specifically pursue other specific individual posters from thread to thread for purposes of harassing and usually insulting them.

#9 - there are varying degrees of trollish behaviors - normally, one may consider anyone who disagrees with them as a troll.

There are drive-by trolls who just like to drop their contrary thoughts and be on their way. This is one of my own favorite trollaviors.

There are trolls who will plague a post with off topic material or comments.

The trolls who bother me the most were those spammers around Christmastime.

A very good troll who is an expert at which bait to choose is most fun to watch.

Trolls whose only point to be made in the form of a conical hat while sitting in the corner are certainly the most trying but easily shut down in many cases.

Anti-trolls trolls are a whole other ballgame! It is fun to see them trying to stay in form.

Trolls are fine and add flavor to the olio. I voted more enjoyable. We are all a troll in one form or another.

Good poll, moder8.

It's rather easy to ignore trolls here. Plus, if you don't have the self restraint to ignore and/or not respond, it's more on you than it is on the troll.

Nanc gets bonus points for using "olio" in a sentence.

Not sure about "trollaviors", but I'm warming up to it.

And points for a good post!

Save the Trolls! (just don't feed them)

Trolls are awesome.

There are 9 million other sites where you can be a wonderful, respectful human being.

The Drudge is for kicking some ass. I've referred more than a few people here looking for that exact environment.

#13 | Posted by TheTom - "trollaviors" = trollish behaviors - I was merely being lazy...

"The Drudge is for kicking some ass."

Yes Sir. Takes a little getting used to after being stuck in the cesspool of local rags.

Sooooo..... FUCK YEAH.

In other news, it is raining outside.

I define a troll as a person who regularly posts comments, the vast majority of which are insulting and derisive of another poster.

That is a type of troll, but not the only "troll."

Some are "sniper trolls" who hide in threads silent until someone says something stupid and then unleashes on them.

See Zatch in a science thread for example

Some are "bait trolls" who leave things phrased in such a way that they know it will attract attention of the stupid.

Goat is a great example of this one

Some are "trolls of mass destruction" who seek to derail a thread until it is all about them.

This would be the "Tadowe, Timbi, and BoOB" troll

Others are "Leech Trolls" who cannot get a following for their own thoughts, but post their thoughts in any thread they know will cause it to be the subject of debate.

This would be GLN, BoOB again, Mod, 8.

Then there are the "Funny Flag Seeking Troll" who take any joke they see just because they want more FF. I am an example of that.

Poor bitch.

#18 | POSTED BY KANREI

Love it. "Criminal Minds" meets the DR.

TinyElvis, please come back!!!

Some are "trolls of mass destruction" who seek to derail a thread until it is all about them.

This would be the "Tadowe, Timbi, and BoOB" troll

Others are "Leech Trolls" who cannot get a following for their own thoughts, but post their thoughts in any thread they know will cause it to be the subject of debate.

This would be GLN, BoOB again, Mod, 8.

#18 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-01-21 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag Thief

Actually, you are a thief troll that loves to brag about stealing from your employer.

It is trolls like yourself who insist on bringing up things I have talked about in the past---not me who brings these things up. How many times has your thieving ass brought up car antennas on threads before I said anything? That makes you a lying troll.

So, you aren't a funny flag seeking troll---you are just a lying, thieving troll.

Are chronic trolls stoned bloggers?

P.S., the poll is missing the "STFU, you Commie" option.

"So, you aren't a funny flag seeking troll---you are just a lying, thieving troll.

#22 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2010-01-21 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag: CAR ANTENNA TROLL

If people really are looking for some place to troll, there are a heck of lot better sites to do that than the DR. I think it is done here intentionally by certain posters to belittle the occasional intelligent analysis and disrupt conversation.

Let us know when you qualify.

If everybody blogged like you M8, this would be a dismal place.

Get the stick out of your ass and be a troll.

OK, I admit that if I am having a bad day and feel the need to unleash my inner troll on someone that I have been occasionally guilty of the stalk and thrash method. But come on, some people make such easy targets that it is really hard to resist. Besides, how much fun would it be if everyone agreed with everyone all the time or we were all ridiculously polite? I've been accused of being a troll more than once, but I don't think that it was in a way that warranted banishment. Of course, some days Nanc and Lisa may disagree...lol!

Some are "sniper trolls" who hide in threads silent until someone says something stupid and then unleashes on them.

I would classify myself thusly, but it has to be really stupid.

Too many cowards on this blog is my major gripe. I want to meet most of you all for beers but only BL2 has said he would.

I'd meet you for a beer, Jackass. Let me know if you are in Illinois anytime.

Jackass,

If you are ever in lower-Michigan I would gladly meet your for a beer.

If that happens, let me know and I will facillitate in making this happen.

Wow I'll remember not bitch next time it's lower than 40 degrees here in TX. It's cold as fuck where you two live. I was in Chicago 3 years ago in March and spit would practically freeze before it hit the ground. I don't think Al Gore has been to the great lakes in winter.

I may be in Texas next year for some training I'll hit you up if you're still blogging here.

I'd be happy to have a beer with you Jackass, if you're ever in the Milwaukee Area.

JA, if you ever step foot in NJ, my dojo will stomp you into jelly. It is the rule. There can be only one.

I recognize the troll because it is in the sun and has a bird's nest by its ear.

---- Aragorn, son of Arathorn.

Too many cowards on this blog is my major gripe. I want to meet most of you all for beers but only BL2 has said he would.

Shit...I'd meet yah for a beer anytime, Jackass.

I want to meet most of you all for beers but only BL2 has said he would.

#31 | Posted by jackass

You mean alkababble, formerly known as BL2.

The simple fact is that when you engage known trolls they win. That you are paying attention to them is their base goal. If no one ever responds to them they get bored and leave.

Can we all agree that TinyElvis was the greatest troll here?

Can we all agree that TinyElvis was the greatest troll here?
#42 | Posted by andyuhenet

I'm inclined to second that motion.

"I've been accused of being a troll more than once, but I don't think that it was in a way that warranted banishment. Of course, some days Nanc and Lisa may disagree...lol!"

I don't consider you a troll, in all honesty. And I don't feel you should be "banished".

People who put up someone's personal information are the only ones I think should be banished.

I may not agree with you 99% of the time, but the Drudge is big enough for the two of us! : )

And who cares what Nanc says??? LOL

With a senority level of 12, TADOWE still holds the record for the worst (or best) attention seeking Troll on the DR.

Then there was LOKISFUR. (How many remember him?)

As a "paid" wordsmith for the Right, Loki was right up there with Johnson and Niceville.

Most of you haven't been here long enough to remember the truly great Trolls.

Lokisfur wasn't a "paid" troll.

And Tad, Johnson, and Niceville aren't trolls either.

They just piss you off with what they say---and don't really give two pinches of monkey shit about the fact that it does.

I'm telling you Twin, watching TinyElvis work the DR was like watching Federer destroy everyone in his path, Michael Jordan pick apart opponents for 6 championship seasons, watching Vinatieri (sp?) win 4 super bowls with great field goal accuracy.

TinyElvis was DA MAN.

Some are "trolls of mass destruction" who seek to derail a thread until it is all about them.

This would be the "Tadowe, Timbi, and BoOB" troll

#18 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-01-21 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag Thief

Actually, you are a thief troll that loves to brag about stealing from your employer.

It is trolls like yourself who insist on bringing up things I have talked about in the past---not me who brings these things up. How many times has your thieving ass brought up car antennas on threads before I said anything? That makes you a lying troll.

So, you aren't a funny flag seeking troll---you are just a lying, thieving troll.

LOL you're one funny son of a bitch, BOob.

Sad thing is you don't do it on purpose and don't even understand why.

On topic-trolls are often a needed stirring of the pot. Most are funny or at least mildly entertaining. Some are stupid as shit but are entertaining in their own way because of their idiocy (these are the best ones to feed).

A few are just malicious towards everyone and anyone to the point that you wonder why they even bother coming here.

Those few could be done without.

ANDY

TinyElvis wasn't here long enough to be the "Da" anything.

I'm trying to remember the people who left their footprint on the very soul of the Retort over a long period of time. True wordsmiths, so to speak. TinyElvis was barely literate and made no impact whatsoever.

He was a troll, but hardly one of the greats. If I called him anything, it would be Racist Pig but this thread isn't about racist pigs. That would take another whole troll category.

LOKI was paid to infiltrate left wing blogs. When the money stopped . . . so did he. In fact, I remember him saying that he was going to use his earnings to buy a time-share in downtown Baghdad. He was THAT SURE that the war would be over in about 6 months (paraphrasing Rumsfeld).

TinyElvis was barely literate and made no impact whatsoever.

Just part of his charm.

LOKI was paid to infiltrate left wing blogs. When the money stopped . . . so did he. In fact, I remember him saying that he was going to use his earnings to buy a time-share in downtown Baghdad. He was THAT SURE that the war would be over in about 6 months (paraphrasing Rumsfeld).

Is there any way to look at his old posts to see if he really said anything about that? I don't doubt you, I would like the read it myself, very interesting.

Maybe he was saying it out of jest? Did he get banned from the DR because RCade found out? Whats his policy on that? What organization would pay the poster to make outrageous statements, the RNC itself, a spinoff controlled by the RNC, or some independent nutbar org? If its the RNC directly or a direct offshoot, why risk the embarrassment when you are discoverd astro-turfing? I think if he made an honest admission that he was a phony he would risk losing his easy job as a paid poster.

ANDY

Loki's job was astro turfing. He worked harder than anybody I've ever seen to convince people that George Bush's dream of turning Baghdad into a corporate, tax free, cheap labor utopia was really going to happen.

Whether he actually believed it or not no one knows. His posts are too old now to recite verbatim.

He was also a rank amature in the blog world. His handle (Lokisfur) was also the name of his production company (Lokisfur Productions). That website listed his real name, address and phone number in Manhattan.

You can probably guess what happened after that.

Loki changed his name four or five times but not his style. And LARRY was relentless in pursuing him from name change to name change.

The battles raged on and Lokisfur was tortured without mercy by the Left . . . but he hung in there and took the abuse . . . not like a man but more like someone who was paid to do it.

I don't know if the time-share thing was a joke or not. I engaged Loki in debate often and I can only go by my somewhat faded memory at this point.

I'm fairly patient with people but I have to say, some of the stuff he said he believed was too outrageous and unrealistic to be anything but paid propaganda for the Bush administrastion.

He was also a rank amature in the blog world. His handle (Lokisfur) was also the name of his production company (Lokisfur Productions). That website listed his real name, address and phone number in Manhattan.

You can probably guess what happened after that.

Loki changed his name four or five times but not his style. And LARRY was relentless in pursuing him from name change to name change.

Very interesting. I don't know whats sadder, the fact that he took payments to be a astro-turfer or the fact that people would bother to use his personal information against him.

It's a blog for christ's sake.

Do chronic trolls make the DR more or less enjoyable?

None of the above.

Spud thinks trolls are just the price you pay fer free blogspeech.

Spud luffs the hurly-burly, rough and tumble atmosphere of the DR. Spud revels in that freedom. Of course, there is a certain inevitability in trolls taking up residence here in that they would most likely not last beyond a single post at any other blog that moderated and/or pre-screened posts with a PC mentality.

There's an old saying.

Sometimes a fool can teach you something a wiseman doesn't know.

Not directly, of course.

We learn by making mistakes.

Fools (and trolls definitely qualify as that) make more mistakes than anyone.

In blogworld one can often use the foolish words of another in order to springboard into a serious discussion.

In other words trolls are good.

Good bad examples.

Some trolls aren't worth bothering with at all.

Off topic, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing wastes of bandwidth who only want to insult others and deflect from legitimate debate.

Worst thing you can do to one of them types is to ignore them completely.

Drives 'em batshiat crazy.

Well, "crazier" to be precise.

Be Well.

ANDY

It's a blog for christ's sake.

You and I know that but you and I are sane.

I have to wonder about poster who take this blog so seriously that it affects their life and what they do off line. I've seen it get really vicious.

This site attracts . . . what should I call them . . . oh yes, the lowest common denominator. There aren't too many sites where the psychos among us have a forum to free-wheel like they do here.

Unless you've known someone a very long time on this blog, it's extremely dangerous to form these instant friendships that are likely to turn sour in a heartbeat.

Postings by dethspud =

self-aggrandizement (slf-grndz-mnt)
n.
The act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one's own importance, power, or reputation.

Delusions of grandeur - a delusion (common in paranoia) that you are much greater and more powerful and influential than you really are.

= Loser

SPUD

"Off topic, narcissistic, self-aggrandizing wastes of bandwidth who only want to insult others and deflect from legitimate debate."

Correct me if I'm wrong but did you just call GOATMAN a troll?

LOL

Correct me if I'm wrong but did you just call GOATMAN a troll?

Where's Johnny Rimshot when ya need him?

LOL!

LOL, indeed! :>)

In point of fact, Das Goat is a self-admitted troll who delights in getting people to take up his troll bait so he can butt heads with them.

When on topic and serious he can be a decent enough poster but he too often indulges in prolonged flame wars, off-topic, self-referential wobbery and, of course, trolling.

Spud often wanders far afield hisself on these threads but always tries to post at least one on-topic post before going off on a tangent and will generally return to the argument if anyone advances a serious counter argument that needs addressing.

Spud tries to remain mindful of the wonderful opportunity a blog-site like the Retort offers in terms of it being a free-speech zone wherein real-time, global political debate can offer a counter point to the mass media sound bytes that try to define the parameters of wot constitutes today's news.

This medium is still so new that Spud fears it's full impact will never be truly appreciated until the powers-that-be try to undermine it or take it away from folks or price it out of some people's ability to pay.

Don't get Spud wrong. Spud likee the silly jokes and the slanging contests and witticisms that fly fast and furious hereabouts. Spud enjoys it when a thread jumps it's tracks and begins exploring questions beyond those inherent to the thread. But Spud is generally more concerned with finding out wot people think and how they feel about the issues of the day.

Spud's just trying to make sense of it all and wants it all to make sense.

Having more luck with the former than the latter there.

Be Well.

There are no trolls on DR. It's all in your heads.

There are no trolls on DR. It's all in your heads.

Just a lot of stupid annoying posters. Not you Tosser.

If people really are looking for some place to troll, there are a heck of lot better sites to do that than the DR. I think it is done here intentionally by certain posters to belittle the occasional intelligent analysis and disrupt conversation.

#26 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2010-01-21 07:29 PM | REPLY | FLAG: Stupid annoying poster

So, you aren't a funny flag seeking troll---you are just a lying, thieving troll.

#22 | POSTED BY BUFFALO_BOB AT 2010-01-21 06:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG: King of trolls

Too many cowards on this blog is my major gripe.

#31 | POSTED BY JACKASS AT 2010-01-22 08:18 AM | REPLY | FLAG: Dumbest troll

JACKASS

Define "coward."

Define "coward."

Someone who will be blessed with a long life.

Just a lot of stupid annoying posters. Not you Tosser.

Why thanks!

Perhaps we should describe people as vegetables and/or animals.

For example, I might be called a "wabbit". If I were a veggie, it would be "crispy zinger burger" (yes, I know it's not a "veggie".. but ti should be).

JACKASS

Define "coward."

#64 | Posted by Twinpac at 2010-01-23 07:38 AM

Gutless conservatives that will spew hate all over a blog but won't debate in person and say what they say here. I'll bet half of these cowards won't call somebody a libtard or all those other insults to a liberals face. Those who have said they would meet me I have more respect for and not surprisingly the ones who said they would meet me are some of the more civil posters. I doubt Jak goes to Nuevo Laredo. Everybody knows it is under cartel control.

I haven't named any trolls, left wing or right wing. I don't care what the political affiliation is. Trolls are bad and make the site less enjoyable. No partisanship is being invoked.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2010-01-21 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a whiney little bitch. I was hoping your brothers ridicule and your promise to stop wasting time here was going to last longer than than it did.

Does that answer your question or are you just too dense?

Too many cowards on this blog is my major gripe. I want to meet most of you all for beers but only BL2 has said he would.

#31 | Posted by jackass at 2010-01-22 08:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Even the hookers have given up on him.

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