Give 'er hell, Scottie...

Somebody dig up Teddy.

I want him to see this shit....

...to fill Sen. Ted Kennedy's seat...

Teddy's dead. Not his seat. It belongs to the people of Massachusetts, and they seem to agree.

Lets hope this an honest election...... No dead voters and not voting 2 or 3 times or from out of state.

"It's not that the Democrats are playing checkers, and the Republicans are playing chess. It's that the Republicans are playing chess, and the Democrats are in the nurse's office because once again they glued their balls to their thighs."

--Jon Stewart

IN O's Face Scottie, go gettim!

Somebody dig up Teddy.

I want him to see this shit....

#2 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

He wanted someone to finish the Health Care Bill. I think the old lush is going to get his wish.

Cookie is supporting Brown based on his centerfold pic alone.... as if Brown would give up David Dreier for him.

If the Democrats lose the 60-seat Senate majority today, can they finally tell Joe Lieberman to take a long walk off a short pier?

And Corky is smitten with Marsha Coakley. Hubba, hubba.

They could, but that wouldn't be very nice.

Poor Corky is still mad at his fellow Dems for taking away his pubic option.

If the Dems lose their supermajority, put Aarlan Specter on suicide watch.

Patches is a dope.

Snowe will just make up that 60th spot on a piece of legislation that will do nothing to reduce healthcare costs. It doesn't really matter who wins today, we will be in the same mode of partisan bickering and will continue our downward spiral into despair.

Each sides refusal to work with the other to make this a better nation has handicapped us and WE, not future generations, will witness the demise of this once great nation. Like I said yesterday in a different thread, if you have young kids you better make sure they speak Chinese, Portuguese, and Russian.

What a wonderful day this could be for the Republic.

You are right Taxman, no matter who wins, we will still have bloated Government Healch Care, that is why I would vote for Kennedy if I lived in MA.

This is going to get nasty if Brown wins. Let's see all the excuses the Dems come up with for not seating him.

What is son wonderful about it? Replace a big government Democrat with a big Government Republican? Please.

- Hubba, hubba.

Try not to get too excited.

People support candidates for divers reasons.

Cookie drools over this

Al Franken wasn't seated until July or something like that, you GOP people weren't complaining then, were you? Payback is a bitch.

I think the most noticeable thing that will happen if Brown wins is that nothing will change noticeably in Congress. It may take away the Republicans' favorite talking point though, that is that the Dems can pass anything they want to which never really was true but was repeated over and over anyway.

"...smitten with Marsha Coakley. Hubba, hubba."

Who's "Marsha Coakley." Rubba dubba.

He hasn't won yet, but look at the libbies watering down the potential loss. Priceless!

Who's "Marsha Coakley." Rubba dubba.

#24 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

The bitch running against Brown according to Patrick Kennedy, moron.

"Certainly the dynamic will change depending on what happens in Massachusetts," Ms. Pelosi told reporters in California on Monday. "Just the question of how we would proceed. But it doesn't mean we won't have a health care bill."

"Let's remove all doubt," she added. "We will have health care one way or another."

We all know what a fine day it would be for America to maintain the status quo in health care... the industry could REALLY party down then, and the undertakers would still have the 10's of thousands who die for lack of care.... and best of all, the majority Party would be beaten and we could have another Bush-like President in our future.... now, how great would that be, huh?

I think there are a few laywers in MA that remember those tactics Coleman used agains Franken.

Wanna bet it is after Thanksgiving before this turkey is seated if he 'wins' the election?

OHHHH! I am so sorry I pissed in the Teabaggers' koolaid. not.

The Dems could pass anything they wanted if they could get together on anything instead of blaming the republicans.

He hasn't won yet, but look at the libbies watering down the potential loss. Priceless!

#25 | Posted by wisgod

There appears an air of doom hanging over this thread.

People support candidates for divers reasons.

#21 | Posted by Corky

The bends?

-There appears an air of doom hanging over this thread.

Ray hasn't even posted on this thread.

They better start importing some of the ACORN folks and fast---they've got a lot of election experience.

divers = same as diverse

This is going to get nasty if Brown wins. Let's see all the excuses the Dems come up with for not seating him.

There's not going to be a delay in seating him if he wins. The House will pass the Senate bill without modification and the reconciliation process will be used to enact some of its desired compromises.

Reid and Pelosi are masters at the processes and procedures of Congress. The House members who voted once for health care reform -- at their own political risk -- won't be willing to walk away from this with nothing to show for it.

I ask because I truly don't know, did this Brown character vote for Romneycare?

They better start importing some of the ACORN folks and fast---they've got a lot of election experience.

#34 | Posted by matsop

The 18 Semi's full of Newports must be running behind schedule.

#27 Corky, the health industry has already partied down after the senate came up with their bill, all their stocks jumped way up.

The bends?

#32 | Posted by matsop

Nitrogen Narcosis.

divers = same as diverse

#35 | Posted by Corky

Oh, bends = same as bendse?

#36

Translation, grab you wallets ladies and gentlemen, this is going to cost you a lot, buying 218 votes will come with a huge price tag, Ben Nelson will look like a cub scout.

#36 Rcade, that would be political suicide

#39

That party died after Obama came out for stripping their anti-monopoly exemptions.

#41 Ignorance, same as always.

I ask because I truly don't know, did this Brown character vote for Romneycare?

#37 | Posted by member2586
Yes (at least I belive it is yes), Romney said so this morning.

Who's "Marsha Coakley." Rubba dubba.
#24 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

The bitch running against Brown according to Patrick Kennedy, moron.
#26 | Posted by wisgod

Your people skills need some work, arschloch.

So beacuse a candidate doesn't know sports she is down in the polls? How stupid is that?

Oh, bends = same as bendse?

See also: Goats = Goatse.

^_^

Be Well.

Who cares about who is a yankee fan or red sox or whatever. I remember this same kind of shit during the Nee York election over whether Hillary was a met fan or whatever. Who gives a crap.

MEMEBER... you are correct about Al; however, that race was close and involved a recount along with legal battles on which votes to count. If Brown wins without it being close at all... there's no reason why it shouldn't be certified in the same amount of time every other race has been in that state when Ted was running for for re-election.

If Brown wins by a large margin... meaning, the number of absentee ballots would not change the outcome... and Demcrats delay at all in seating him... then you may as well warm up the vocal chords for the fat lady in Nov. and 2012.

The House members who voted once for health care reform -- at their own political risk -- won't be willing to walk away from this with nothing to show for it.

It passed in the House by 5 votes. It's very possible that there are 5 House Democrats who are progressive enough not to vote for something that doesn't have a public option, despite Obama and every other lefty's desire to sell out their constituents.

"He hasn't won yet, but look at the libbies watering down the potential loss. Priceless!"

Oh puhleeeez, remembering the recent REpublican loss in upstate NY makes your comment quite laughable. I'm still daily reading excuses for that one.

Correction, you'd only need 3 House dems to deflect.

"If Brown wins by a large margin... meaning, the number of absentee ballots would not change the outcome... and Demcrats delay at all in seating him... then you may as well warm up the vocal chords for the fat lady in Nov. and 2012."

A bit premature doncha think....when MA voters see the obstructionism that Brown will go along with they may be quite ready to jetison him in 2012, especially with a stronger candidate than Coakley. BTW the 2012 campaign begins tomorrow whoever wins.

#48 She doesn't know her constituents, looks down on them. People are sick of politicians who appear to be elitists and for her to be snubbing sports fans in all places like Boston hurt her.

He hasn't won yet, but look at the libbies watering down the potential loss. Priceless!

Would you prefer that we pretended we could make our own reality, the way the Bush administration thought it could?

Coakley could still win, but the numbers don't look good. Momentum is important in a close race, and Brown has it.

Am I wrong in wanting local house dems to threaten to defect to get something for this crappy state? I thought the same when Nelson got his deal, I thought, why the hell does Michigan have such stupid senators, why don't they play hardball. I am dangerously close to joining the dark side.

"That party died after Obama came out for stripping their anti-monopoly exemptions."

Among other things like the Public Option. When that was dropped I think most Americans thought the bill is a gift to insurance companies.
The most confounding issue about health care and polls is that weakening the bill resulted in a drop in popularity at the polls. Problem is that most Americans really do want health care reform but they want real health care reform not the giveaway to insurnance companies that the Senate bill finally devolved into.

Yeah, didn't go over well when she said Schilling was a Yankees fan. She was then confused about Schilling being the "bloody sock guy"...!

Guess she meant the other Schilling... What a tool this woman is!

Why isn't there one fucking Democrat who is against the individual mandate? Dropping the public opting is good, but that stupid mandate is still there. Get rid of it. Quit raping young people to pass your stupid health care reform. And this business of women being "discrimanted" against by insurance companies, well, if you use more health care you pay more, why should men subsidize the difference in order for women not to be "discriminated" against? This who thing is bunk, complete bunk. I know, I know maternity care is expensive, but you know what? Having a baby is a choice, at least that is what feminists keep telling us. But of course, Liberals don't believe choices have consequences, they want to have their shoe-shapped chocoalte cake and eat it too.

The most confounding issue about health care and polls is that weakening the bill resulted in a drop in popularity at the polls. Problem is that most Americans really do want health care reform but they want real health care reform not the giveaway to insurance companies that the Senate bill finally devolved into.

~Danni.

THIS.

Be Well.

I think opening up the FEHP to anyone who wanted to buy in (as was promised in the campaign) would've been quite popular with the public. Easily sold to the masses..

"Good enough for them, good enough for you"

Instead of the PO they tried to sell

"Not good enough for them, but good enough for you"

Subtle yet important difference there, and since the FEHP is fully insured, it wouldn't have impacted the budget or deficit one penny. I would, however, have increased the rates that Fed ee's would have to pay when all the sick and older that are currently out in the cold are added to the Fed's pool.

Nice of Spud to share with us some of his personal video collection. Spud, how bout some of your Aunt Bee clips?

#60 - Just how pathetic is it to point out someone's lack of baseball knowledge as a legitimate reason to vote against them?

Seriously, there are much more valid reasons to call Coakley a tool.

The most confounding issue about health care and polls is that weakening the bill resulted in a drop in popularity at the polls. Problem is that most Americans really do want health care reform but they want real health care reform not the giveaway to insurance companies that the Senate bill finally devolved into.

~Danni.

THIS.

Agreed!

Democrats are very cynical, they know that once they pass a government program, people become dependent on it and then it is difficult to roll it back. That is why they claim that Americans even thought they oppose health care will like it when passed, because history shows us that people have no choice but to be dependent on those programs.

#67 Ok, how about she saying that Catholics shouldn't be working in emergency rooms.

#59 Premature Bananabation

... most Americans really do want health care reform but they want real health care reform not the giveaway to insurance companies that the Senate bill finally devolved into.

Liberals are wrong to think that what we've gotten in health insurance reform isn't worth it because it could be a better bill. If we piss away this opportunity, and people are still being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions and millions in the middle class find themselves uninsurable at any price, part of the blame will fall on liberals. And we'll probably not see another chance at reform for 20 years.

All right guys let's try to keep it positive.

This is a good day.

Smile.

If we get nothing it will show that republicans truly don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. I pray they all get sick and can't afford coverage. I have a union job so that shit won't happen to me but I hope it happens to every rethug on this blog.

DANNI... first, I'm not so sure Brown is going to win yet, so no I'm not being premature. But let's assume he does. Just because he would vote against the current Health Care Bill, you would consider him an obstructionist? He's said as plan as day how he would vote PRIOR to him being elected. I would say it's the Obama administration that's obstructing the American people from getting the Health Care Reform THEY want and NOT what the Socialists want.

Polls show that Americans would like Health Care Reform... just not the massive government spending bill laced with bribes that's currently being proposed.

If Brown does win... to say this isn't a referendum on the current Health Care Bill is either nievete at it's best or simply proof that Democrats don't give a rats arse about the people, but their own personal gain.

The trust fund baby is jumping up and down in hopes he keeps on being a greedy asshole. I hope you lose your ranch and are forced to sell papers on the streets of Laredo or El Paso.

#67 | Posted by Mutant9 at 2010-01-19 11:05 AM | Reply | Fla

Well, Schilling is an avid and outspoken conservative so insulting him is sort of like poking a bees nest up there. He's been all over the media since the incident lambasting her. Sometimes knowing your baseball before you open your fat trap is important... She could've easily just kept her pie hole shut and avoided the issue, like she avoids her voters.

If brains were money, she couldn't afford a free refill.

Jackass, it is Unions who don't give a damn about anyone else but themselves. You are aware that Labor negotiated exemptions until 2018 for the tax on cadillac plans. C'mon, unions, let's have shared sacrifice, let's do it for the common good, yeah!

Member, the mandate is there in exchange for the requirement that insurers have to cover everyone, including the sick. If you forced insurance companies to cover the ill then no one would have any incentive to purchase insurance when they are healthy. That would drive every insurance company out of business.

This whole bill has been FUBAR since its inception. Liberal were too worried about the number of people covered not lowering the cost of healthcare. Congress has been stuck on this issue for far too long and have let other issues, more important issues in my opinion, sit on the backburner.

Don't tread the republicans don't want shit except for limits on malpractice suits. How does that help the uninsurable?

If you forced insurance companies to cover the ill then no one would have any incentive to purchase insurance when they are healthy. That would drive every insurance company out of business.

#79 | Posted by taxman

That is why it is important to force everyone to buy it when they are healthy. The threat of Jail will do that.

I don't follow baseball, I am Piston fans, althought lately they suck ass. However, if I suddent went to Tige Stadium or Ford Field or to watch the Wings play while runnning for office, people would believe I am a fake for trying to hard to like sports. I would rather have a candidate that knows nothign about sports, than one who fakes being a fan of one team or another.

Everyone likes a little CHANGE!

#81 | Posted by nanc at 2010-01-19 11:14 AM

We had rightwing thugs from 2000-2008. Just because you are too cheap to buy health insurance it doesn't mean others will not.

"I have a union job so that shit won't happen to me"

Is your union plan exempted from mandated coverages that are "TBA" in this bill as it was under ERISA?

You may be interested to know in order to find out just how much your ins. will be going up?

"Liberals are wrong to think that what we've gotten in health insurance reform isn't worth it because it could be a better bill."

I know you're not gonna admit it, but this POS bill was never about improving health care. It is totally about increasing the size of government and CONTROL. It has also turned into a string of "rewards" and "punishments."

"If we piss away this opportunity, and people are still being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions and millions in the middle class find themselves uninsurable at any price, part of the blame will fall on liberals."

Yes...the liberals (read "Progressives) are largely to blame because their whole objective is to put the government totally in control. For instance, the very idea that the federal government can force someone to buy health insurance, and the IRS (you GOTTA be shittin' me) is expanding to check up on us, should give everyone a case of heebie jeebies.

That is why it is important to force everyone to buy it when they are healthy. The threat of Jail will do that.

#82 | Posted by jackass

The immigration situation shows us that there is safety in numbers when it comes to breaking the law. If only illegal alien broke the law, he would be promptly deported, but since there are 12 million, people say it is imipracticle to deport them. Well, same goes for this health care mandate. Is the Fed Goverment going to put millions of people in jail for refusing to buy their stupid health care? Please, they can't enforce immigration law, why should we believe they'll be able to enforce this. Agains, safety in numbers people.

Jackass, the repubs want to be able to purchase meds from Canada, much cheaper, also purchase plans across state lines, more competitive.

If, indeed, Scott Brown is but another Scozzafava, then the left should be twitterpated!

Brown on the issues:

That is why it is important to force everyone to buy it when they are healthy. The threat of Jail will do that.

#82 | Posted by jackass

The purpose of government is to protect the people from force and fraud. When this is no longer true it's time to remove them from power.

#83 | Posted by member2586

It had more to do with knowing the political landscape wherein you are playing than the sports team you are following.

It's also pretty bitter when you are talking Yanks and Sox!

Jackass, the repubs want to be able to purchase meds from Canada, much cheaper, also purchase plans across state lines, more competitive.

#88 | Posted by fishpaw

Those things mean nothing to me. If you have a pre-existing condition it won't help you at all. You still can't get covered.

Just lock up enough people to scare people. May every republican know what it feels like to get ill with no coverage.

STIRSUMUP, it seems the government is perpetrating fraud after fraund and acts with a hostile attitude toward the very people it is supposed to SERVE.

"It is totally about increasing the size of government and CONTROL."

That talkin point which has been repeated over and over is only an indication of the gullibility of the person posting it. Just the whole idea is so ludicrous that I would be laughing if there weren't so many morons who believe things like that and other nonsense said by right wing pundits.
Real arguments against the bill are numerous and some are quite pursuasive but that one is ridiculous.

Is your union plan exempted from mandated coverages that are "TBA" in this bill as it was under ERISA?

You may be interested to know in order to find out just how much your ins. will be going up?

#85 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

I have great coverage if it costs me a little more so be it. I just want as many people covered as possible.

Btw Jackass, since you are union but also seem to want the best for the country what do you think about the union payoff at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers?

For instance, the very idea that the federal government can force someone to buy health insurance ...

If you eliminate pre-existing conditions, there has to be a mandate requiring the purchase of health insurance. Otherwise, people will wait to obtain insurance until they get sick.

Republican rhetoric about health insurance is in total denial of the fact that the existing system is broken. Americans pay twice as much for health care as any other Western country and get inferior results. Millions of Americans can't get insurance. There are kids in this country who are already deemed uninsurable! Health care reform is sorely needed in this country, and since the private insurance system has failed so miserably, the government has to do it.

"That is why it is important to force everyone to buy it when they are healthy. The threat of Jail will do that."

This fuckin' idiot is WAAAAAYY beyond being "progressive." He'd be right at home in Cuba, China, even Nazi Germany. Next thing we know he'll be wanting to waterboard anyone not buying Dear Leader's health insurance.

Btw Jackass, since you are union but also seem to want the best for the country what do you think about the union payoff at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers?

#96 | Posted by fishpaw

I disagreed with the unions stance on this. I wanted to pay more if it meant helping other people. We have some greedy assholes in the union just like everywhere else.

Americans pay twice as much for health care as any other Western country and get inferior results. Millions of Americans can't get insurance.

Those are two separate issues. Once you reduce the costs you can cover more people. By forcing more people into the system, you aren't necessarily going to reduce costs.

"Just because he would vote against the current Health Care Bill, you would consider him an obstructionist?"

No, there are legitimate reasons for him to vote against it but other bills coming up in the senate like banking regulations will be opposed by him and the rest of the Republicans in spite of the fact that we just witnessed the dangers of deregulation of banks. Specifically, that type of legislation, when opposed by Republicans should wake up many independents that the Republicans are not interested in protecting America from economic castastrophe. That is going to be harder to spin than health care.

"By forcing more people into the system, you aren't necessarily going to reduce costs."

When they go to doctor's offices instead of ER it will reduce some costs significantly.
Preventive care will reduce costs.

Poor little Jackass.

He's so deep into his fake liberal schtick his anger neurons are cross-firing.

Put on the "Captain Subversion" outfit, big guy.

Its nothing a long day of finger-sniffing and proxy-server internet surfing can't fix.

Those are two separate issues. Once you reduce the costs you can cover more people. By forcing more people into the system, you aren't necessarily going to reduce costs.

#100 | Posted by taxman

The republicans didn't reduce costs and they won't ever. It's all lip service. They will leave it up to the status quo. they are the party of empty promises.

The idea that people will wait until they are sick to get insurance is nonsesne. Look, when people who are over 65 don't sign up for medicare, when they do they have to pay more. You have to provide proof of acceptable insurece or else your premiun will be higher for some time. The same provision could be inserted into the bills if that is really the excuse, which I don't buy. It's all about raping the young people, the ones who voted a lot for Obama, hahaha!

Joto Se Mao don't you have some cattle to tend to on your trust fund ranch? You probably just drink moonshine and make idiotic statements all day.

Danni, when Obama says he is going to tax banks where do you think those taxes get filtered down to, the people who have accounts with them ultimately pay the increased taxes.

ONE thing to remember in coming days.

IF brown wins there is precedent already set.

when teddy first got elected it was a special election and he was seated..IM told...THE NEXT FUCKIN DAY....

#97 | Posted by rcade

What's funny is that this whole approach to health care with an ebil gubmint exchange is in lieu of and to avoid heavy regulation on the insurance industry, as if they were a utility company, as they do in several European countries.... so that we would not have had to fight the "ebil gubmint regulation" meme.

So, progressives give up single payer, heavy regulation, and now even a public option (that is still getting 57 percent in the polls) for a very moderate approach.... and that still isn't enough for rightwing ideologues who won't be happy until only the wealthy can afford health care.

Culling the herd with Social Darwinism, don't 'cha know.

I am really trying so hard to care about this story, but I just can't. I see it is the "RCADE BIG FONT" story of the day, but I have no interest. I don't care. It doesn't matter. Unless you live in Massachusetts, STFU and let them pick their representation.

I hope it requires a recount that takes six months. Payback for Franken.

FISH

another CROOKED DEMOCRAT deal on taxing banks

two institutions EXEMPT.
fannie mae
fannie mac.
because they are govt...sure if dems say so
real reason,.....TAXPAYER KICKBACKS To DEMS running them...because bonyues not covered BY PAY CZAR On those two places.

Unless you live in Massachusetts, STFU and let them pick their representation.

#110 | Posted by kanrei

It will determine in Americans can get coverage or not. I guess you don't give a fuck about other Americans? Or just certain ones?

and the noted ed shutz has weighed in on this one

"Id vote 10 times if I Could. Id vote as many times as possible to keep the bastards out."

Another goddamn democrat slimeball fuckin prick shows us why he is just that.

#114 | Posted by afkabl2- would only v0tE 8 tImes, iF he couLd

It will determine in Americans can get coverage or not. I guess you don't give a fuck about other Americans? Or just certain ones?

#113 | Posted by jackass at 2010-01-19 11:38 AM

No, I recognize that the Senator from Massachusetts is there to represent Massachusetts and not a political party. You have your Senators already from your state so let Massachusetts select theirs and STFU!

OH MY GOD
I Am about to agree with some poster named jackass..

I think Im getting a headache..

"Republican rhetoric about health insurance is in total denial of the fact that the existing system is broken."

Not so. If you'll research, there has benn a lot of talk about Medicare going broke, Social Security running out etc. etc. The problem comes down to THIS health care plan. I don't think ANY conservative is opposed to reform, just THIS reform.

"Americans pay twice as much for health care as any other Western country...."

Yeah...state laws prohibit competiton across state lines, that's the major reason. Other countries don't have to worry about lawyers and huge settlements either.

"...and get inferior results."

Right...that's why everyone comes here for medical care. Tell me, do you subscribe to Michael Moore's theory of the "superior" care received in Cuba?

"Millions of Americans can't get insurance."

There are better ways to make it easier for them without threatening them with jail...or don't you think so?

"Health care reform is sorely needed in this country, and since the private insurance system has failed so miserably, the government has to do it."

I still contend that the private system has failed MAINLY because of government (and lawyer) interference.
How about doing something like car insurance, form risk pools for those with preexisting conditions with subsidies if need be. Pass tort reform and get the fuckin' trial lawyers under some control, open up health insurance to be sold across state lines, come up with varying levels of plans, deductibles...lots of things that will provide lower cost opportunities without UNCLE running our lives. Car insurance has become so competitive that I've changed companies twice in the past two years. We're bombarded by ads on TV and I bet I get twenty pieces of junk mail for car insurance at lower fees every week.

It doesn't matter

It matters big-time, Kanrei.

The entire fate of this criminal health-care bill may very well rest on the outcome of this election.

THIS AM
MASS dems complaining about teapartyexpress coming into MASs and campaigning for Brown

HEY I wonder if they wrote a letter complaining using stationary given to them by moveon.org....

RCADE - Americans pay twice as much for health care as any other Western country and get inferior results. Millions of Americans can't get insurance.

Really? Is that why so many people are flying to Guatemala or Haiti for their medical care? Man, maybe that is why Haiti sends so much medical aid to other countries.....Oh, wait a minute....

Kanrei is on the side of the rethuglicans on this one. I don't know why but I do know Kanrei has something at stake if it fails. Kanrei care to explain what you gain if millions of Americans are denied coverage?

The entire fate of this criminal health-care bill may very well rest on the outcome of this election.

#119 | Posted by JeffJ

Do you really not understand how the system works? You have your two voices already in the Senate. This is to decide the second voice from Massachusetts. Do you live in Massachusetts? If not, STFU and let them pick their own representation. Bills are in the balance of every election, but you only have a voice in your state and should NOT have any impact on any other state any more than you would want Massachusetts to help pick your Senator.

The problem comes down to THIS health care plan. I don't think ANY conservative is opposed to reform, just THIS reform.

Amen.

I don't hate this entire bill (certain peices of it make sense) - I hate this bill in its entirety (when taken as a whole it is downright scary).

Kanrei is on the side of the rethuglicans on this one.

Wow are you a moron. I have not implied who I support in the election nor which side I fall on. I have said it is none of your concern as you do not live in that state. Nice strawman.

If Brown wins, watch the Democrats rush a National Voter Registration bill to fix the problem.

Kanrei,

If the GOP can pick-off this seat the balance of power shifts in an almost unimaginable sense.

You are coming accross as incredibly naive if you don't see this, my friend.

I think it might even go further than healthcare. He wants what Lieberman wants. Kanrei wants republican control so that America will be forced into aiding Israel attack Iran. It's all so clear now.

Jackass,

You truly do make me laugh on occasion.

Keep up the good work!

You are coming accross as incredibly naive if you don't see this, my friend.

#127 | Posted by JeffJ

Not at all. I respect the system in place and the rules that govern it. This is a Massachusetts state election which is why nobody outside of Massachusetts has a say in it. It is to decide who represents Massachusetts in the Senate and nothing more.

You are all betraying your "Party over Country" attitudes in Spades here.

State and federal government's have been fucking with insurance (and healthcare) for 60+ years, so now it's broken.

Hmmmm.... gov't fixin a gov't mess.... ironic, dontcha think.

Coakley down by 10---

Ok,128 made me laugh.

Jackass, the only thing that's clear is the space between you ears.

If the GOP can pick-off this seat the balance of power shifts in an almost unimaginable sense.

You are coming accross as incredibly naive if you don't see this, my friend.

He's just trying to by the edgy, contrarian guy---searching desperately for some kind of unique "point" to make.

"Kanrei wants republican control so that America will be forced into aiding Israel attack Iran. It's all so clear now."

Wow...this jackass is an embarrassment to jackasses, mules, donkeys and burros everywhere.

Spades here.

#130 | Posted by kanrei

He said spades. He's a racist!

WISGOD
that is already in the plan.
its called universal voter registration and its already underway...plans anyhows...

He's just trying to by the edgy, contrarian guy---searching desperately for some kind of unique "point" to make

No, he is being true to his beliefs: he doesn't care who wins. It matters not. I vote for MY representation and believe unless you live in the state, you should STFU about their elections. THIS is the problem with America that I ALWAYS bring up: Texas should have no say in what happens in California!

This is a Massachusetts state election which is why nobody outside of Massachusetts has a say in it.

I don't think anyone's made the point that they do.

Do you?

It is to decide who represents Massachusetts in the Senate and nothing more.

It is to decide who represents Massachusetts in the Senate with enormous consequences for the outcome of sweeping legislation.

Kanrei, is it OK if I get shit-faced drunk tonight if Brown wins?

with enormous consequences for the outcome of sweeping legislation.

Name an election that doesn't. Does that mean you should have a say in EVERY election since the outcome of sweeping legislation will result or do you stick to the system in place; elect YOUR representatives, and STFU about other state's elections?

Not at all. I respect the system in place and the rules that govern it. This is a Massachusetts state election which is why nobody outside of Massachusetts has a say in it. It is to decide who represents Massachusetts in the Senate and nothing more.

The one thing you are over-looking is the fact that this vote is a repudiation of "Obama-care".

1 vote????

That is what they said about Landriou (sp?)

1 vote???

That is what they said about Nelson.

1 vote???

That is what they said about the tex on "Cadillac" plans...until the unions were exempted.

This state-wide vote has tremendous national implications, my friend.

come on kanrei
you know good and well that this race has far more importance than it normally would.

and DONT FORGET

report is that there have been 116,000 names found on voter reg that ARE DEAD.
report also said that thousands of names have been found to be not living in addresses given.
now I dont know how they know this or if its true or not..but nonetheless I AM SURE that dems here and around the country will join me in calling for an HONEST and true election in the BAY STATE..
right???????????( he said skeptically)

you should STFU about their elections

I should "STFU" about a election with such enormous potential consequences nationally?

You sound like you got a little bit of a fascist streak in you, boy.

he doesn't care who wins

Well damn, aren't you an edgy independent guy?

But a lot of people do care.

And for good reason.

How about some music people!

"Texas should have no say in what happens in California!"

I agree...UNLESS what happens in California has a profound impact on Texas. Besides, having a "say" in California is not the equivalent of having a vote in California.

This state-wide vote has tremendous national implications, my friend.

Posted by JeffJ at 2010-01-19 12:02 PM

And you already had your say when you elected your state Senators.

Wis,

I will go on a 2-wek bender if Brown wins.

ALSO kanrie

if this stupid lady wins and health care goes through AT LEAST we will have care as good as they have in CUBA

OOPS>>>

26 die in COLD mental ward hospital in Cuba

OOPS

I should "STFU" about a election with such enormous potential consequences nationally?

You sound like you got a little bit of a fascist streak in you, boy.

Welcome to the Moron Club. You can join Jackass at the table to your right.

#148 | Posted by kanrei

Do you seriously not recognize what is in play here?

Wis,
Since when have you ever needed an excuse to get drunk?

"Texas should have no say in what happens in California!"

Repeal the 17th amendment.

hey...settle...settle.....lol

BUT ...
damn boys,,..
is this shit fun or what???????

Do you seriously not recognize what is in play here?

Yes I do, do you? Should we open all state elections to National forums since they have a 1% effect on the outcome of Senate votes?

You can join Jackass at the table to your right.

#151 | Posted by kanrei

Do I have to watch him eat?

Since when have you ever needed an excuse to get drunk?

#153 | Posted by kanrei at

I GET IT

this IS THE so called kennedy seat right????

get it
get it

and anyone hear patrick I think it was called her marcia three times....that scotch can get to you cant it pat old boy

"Texas should have no say in what happens in California!"

And yet, Arnold wants a Federal Bailout. I think Texas and other states, have a lot to say about that.

Wis,

I will go on a 2-wek bender if Brown wins.

#149 | Posted by JeffJ

LOL. better cut it back to 1 week. 2 week benders are only for those in Mass.

Name an election that doesn't.

There's lots of elections that don't have enormous consequences for the outcome of sweeping legislation---most, in fact.

A little word of wisdom:

Its generally best to start with a salient point, and reason your way from there to "edgy guy outside the box" status.

You're doing it backwards, and looking silly in the process.

I have a feeling we are fucked. No healthcare no environmental legislation. More of the same is all we will get now. I sure hope every republican on this loses their livelihood to pay for what they have done. They don't deserve to live in America.

And you already had your say when you elected your state Senators.

I don't think anyone here is asking to vote in the election today in the Bay State.

Do you?

Here it the FAmily Guy version!

Wis,
Since when have you ever needed an excuse to get drunk?

#153 | Posted by kanrei

This isn't going to be a run of the mill drunk. This is going to be full blown kicked in the ass, fuck who I puke on, grab tits and oink drunk

"And you already had your say when you elected your state Senators."

If Bill Clinton can go to MA and politic for Coakley, why can't any other citizen go there and politic for Brown? Like everybody here is trying to tell you, this is a state-wide election that will perhaps affect every citizen in every state.

"But that's not the real story here, as much as the White House might try to make this political race local. It's not that simple: More than half -- 51 percent -- of the state's voters consider themselves independents. The Democrats can count about 37 percent of the voters; the GOP just 11 percent.

So it's those independents who will determine the election -- and they're just as unhappy as their national brethren. That explains why the GOP candidate state Sen. Scott Brown is getting their support, some estimate by as much as 3-to-1."

Indies in MA helped Obama win a blow-out in that state, much like they helped him win the general in other states.

But now, having been fearmongered into a bad case of buyers remorse and having been disappointed that the change they sought wasn't accomplished the same way they buy their burgers, at a fast drive thru, these Indies are buying whatever empty suit/good hair Teabagger is offered up..... having themselves a grand pouty sulk.

People tend to get what they deserve, and as if after having the Bush/GOP for 8 years wasn't lesson enough, here we go again.

I hope we get Palin in 2012 so this country will descend into chaos. Civil war will occur finally allowing a left wing state to be created.

#162, Jackoff, you forgot about card check, kiss the employee intimidation act goodbye.

It is to decide who represents Massachusetts in the Senate with enormous consequences for the outcome of sweeping legislation.

The belief that you can kill health care reform by killing the 60-seat supermajority is far-fetched. Democrats in Congress have already voted yes on health care reform. If they let it die now, they will have nothing to show for that vote. Republican voters will be angry at them for voting yes, Democratic voters will be angry at them for letting it die. There's no way that happens.

I hope we get Palin in 2012 so this country will descend into chaos. Civil war will occur finally allowing a left wing state to be created.

#168 | Posted by jackass

Tranlation: "I want Sarah Palin to fail."

That quote sounds familiar, where have I heard it before ......

I hope we get Palin in 2012 so this country will descend into chaos. Civil war will occur finally allowing a left wing state to be created.

I don't know how much medical marijuana you've been prescribed, Jackass, but you might want to lower the dose.

Wis,

I hope your libido finds a big and firm rack coupled with a pillowy-ass to bury your man-hood within.

#169 | Posted by member2586 at 2010-01-19 12:12 PM

I will pray to your deity that you get laid off in the upcoming weeks.

I have no deity, I am an atheist. I am under the jurisdiction of no god, so praying won't do any good.

Time to change your name again jackass. Too predictable.

But now, having been fearmongered into a bad case of buyers remorse and having been disappointed that the change they sought wasn't accomplished the same way they buy their burgers, at a fast drive thru, these Indies are buying whatever empty suit/good hair Teabagger is offered up..... having themselves a grand pouty sulk.

Either that, or they took a honest look at the guy for 5 minutes, and realized the only significant change from Dubya is a proper vocabulary.

I think Texas and other states, have a lot to say about that.

#159 | Posted by member2586 at 2010-01-19 12:07 PM | Reply

DAMN STRAIGHT

from houston chronicle over the weekend

"texas will be last in and first out amoung states battling the recession."
"Political climates favorable for companies seeking new places to do business"
"enjoyed job gains the past 2 months and 3 of the past 6."

info from the 'perryman group'

and ALL that can change with one dem senator fucking us over like teddy did to mary jo.

conclusion...STATES are better off run by republicans.

-the only significant change from Dubya is a proper vocabulary.

I sure hope every republican on this loses their livelihood to pay for what they have done. They don't deserve to live in America.

#162 | Posted by jackass at 2010-01-19 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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and I hope that everyone who put an obama sign in their yard and voting for him are the first ones to lose thier job and wait in line longer than others to see a doctor.

and these youngters who voted for him because he's cool..heres hoping IF they are forced to pay for health care instead of booze and pot that they all have to move in with thier momma./

"But now, having been fearmongered into a bad case of buyers remorse...."

LOL...and the source of the fear? Glorious Community Organizer and his Chicago cohorts? Maybe Reid and Pelosi? Maybe the "progressive" socialist policies. Or was it those mobs of violent, dangerous tea party and town hall meeting attendees? If so, I'm sorry they frightened you Corkeee. You should stay close to those Black Panthers, SEIU members, Code Pink ladies and all the others who would provide you protection. Coakley's staff might be good for you too. They pushed folks down to protect her and they'll be out of work soon.

So the party of Family Values is shooting their collective load over a nudie model. An actor wanna-be with a NILF and an American Idol family?
I don't agree with anything the Pubs stand for, but can't they at least try to be consistent on something?
Why do they keep insist on electing celebrities?

Democratic voters will be angry at them for letting it die. There's no way that happens.

#170 | Posted by rcade at 2010-01-19 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

sorry that I agree with you
sorry because they have already sent clear signals that they are prepared to ignore the wishes of the majority of people..
the old let the house sign on to the full senate version THUS removing another clouture vote in the senate I BELIEVE IS the way I understood it

IF thats the case.

then ed gillespi's comment will come true

last night he said..
"there are two kinds of democrats in washington now, those who are going to lose in november and those who dont know it yet."

Jackass... in short, tort reform lowers the cost of healthcare by either lowering, if not eliminating, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous settlements. This will in turn lower the cost for malpractice insurance... which in turn lowers the cost to the consumer.

It does not; however, provide insurance for those that do not have it. The two are not connected and Tort reform is not the only part of the Republican plan. That being said, I'd like to cover to items very briefly:

1- Half of those uninsured have made it THEIR CHOICE to be uninsured. Example: 23 year recent college grad who is perfectly healthy and has it in their mind that nothing will happen to them. It's a risk they CHOOSE to take... just like foregoing disability insurance.

2- This notion that insurance companies should give people coverage regardless of existing preconditions is, on the surface, unrealist and unfair unless there is a large premium to account for that added risk by the person insured. After all... do we expect Car insurance companies to insure a driver who has 15 DUI's, 30 speeding tickets, 10 wrecks and an expired driver's license at the same cost as a safe driver with none of the above? I would hope not.

oh tfd...nice try...AND last night on oreilly sally quinn remarked about him being a 'hunk'

now as a fellow "HUNK" I can tell you..that doesnt mean we dont have a brain......

Why do they keep insist on electing celebrities?

#182 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Because we can't find a Community Organizer.

"Jackass... in short, tort reform lowers the cost of healthcare by either lowering, if not eliminating, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous settlements."

Study after study disproves that claim though it will continue to be a talking point. It is just plain not true though.

BOSTON (The Borowitz Report) - Firing up voters on the eve of the special election to fill the late Edward M. Kennedy's Senate seat, Republican candidate Scott Brown spoke at a campaign rally today, proclaiming, "With your help, our dream of depriving millions of health care is within reach."

"Let's send a message, Massachusetts!" Mr. Brown exhorted the crowd. "Let's tell people across the country that if they want health coverage, they are shit out of luck!"

An aide to Mr. Brown said that internal polling reveals that the Republican's anti-healthcare message may be catching on: "Right now, Scott is showing a double-digit lead among people who describe themselves as douchebags."

Its generally best to start with a salient point, and reason your way from there to "edgy guy outside the box" status.

I did. Not my fault you don't understand that this is a state election and, unless you live in that state, STFU. That was, is, and will be my point.

now as a fellow "HUNK" I can tell you..
#185 | Posted by afkabl2

In your case, "HULK."

On perhaps "CHUNK."

need anymore proof of the desperation of obama??

he went to church last sunday,.....

and is it true that according to MASS law..that this kirk guy is out at the end of voting?
or is when the new one is seated.
.
HERE is a prediction..
SHE WINS...she is there tomorrow
HE wins....dems will stall until they ram HC down our throats.

I wasnt THIS sure when I played zenyatta in the breeders cup.

AH doc...clever...

"This notion that insurance companies should give people coverage regardless of existing preconditions is, on the surface, unrealist and unfair unless there is a large premium to account for that added risk by the person insured."

The ban on pre-existing conditions does not require insurers to sell insurance to people with such conditions at the same price as those without such conditions.
Your post does prove what Mike Barnacle was saying on Morning Joe this morning, this bill has not been clearly explained, most people do not really know what is in it or what it will mean.

#36 | Posted by rcade

Rcade --they don't have the 218 votes in the House to pass the Senate version without the Stupak amendment.

Mao--Thanks for the Dancing Banana--that is priceless!

"HE wins....dems will stall until they ram HC down our throats."

The Dems can pass health care either way even with Brown seated in the Senate.

The present bill needs to die. Start over.

If Brown wins today--which he should--the bill is toast.

"Rcade --they don't have the 218 votes in the House to pass the Senate version without the Stupak amendment."

If they change the bill as in adding Stupak then the bill would have to face Senate approval again in which case it could be filibustered. Without changes it doesn't have to be passed by the Senate a second time.

The Dems need the GOP to win today so that they can use it as a campaign issue in November and get more seats. " We could have done it if we kept Teddy's seat, so please help us get others"

"The present bill needs to die. Start over."

Waste another year and then watch REpublicans block it again. You seem to forget who the Republicans represent Murphy.

Danni--

They can do reconciliation--but they have to take out the social parts of the bill.

They will have to remove the Exclusion language -- the pre existing language. The abortion language has to come out.

Recon can only be used for taxing and appropriation bills--all the rest has to come out.

The it is only good for what 5 years? And then has to be voted on again?

How do you tell the American public we are going to tax you until 2013--with NO BENEFITS!!? And then convince people to go along for another 5 years??

"On perhaps "CHUNK."

#191 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

What a racist remark.

The Dems need the GOP to win today so that they can use it as a campaign issue in November and get more seats. " We could have done it if we kept Teddy's seat, so please help us get others"

#200 | Posted by kanrei

Teddy's seat? Yes, Democrats would be so arrogant as to say that. The seat does not belong to the Royal Blueblood Kennedy Klan, it belongs to the voters of MA.

they don't have the 218 votes in the House to pass the Senate version without the Stupak amendment.

#195 | Posted by MURPHY at 2010-01

IM TELLING you...

they will throw a few million of OUR MONEY his way and he will be just another goddamn democrat like nelson and landreu

Not my fault you don't understand...

Oh, I understand your "point" just fine.

You don't think there should be any inter-state commentary on a state election with enormous national political consequences.

You've been thoroughly told what a stupid and illogical "point" it is.

Not much more we can do for you, at this point.

You and "your beliefs" feel free to enjoy the rest of this thread and the commentary on the Massachusetts election by people who don't live there.

*pats head*

"Right now, Scott is showing a double-digit lead among people who describe themselves as douchebags."

How can that be, Corked? I thought you and YOUR crowd heavily favored Coakley, not Brown.

HE wins....dems will stall until they ram HC down our throats."

The Dems can pass health care either way even with Brown seated in the Senate.

#197 | Posted by danni at 2010

sure they can...by being the arrogant pricks we all know they are.

but if that happens I refer to the comment I posted from ed gillespi
two kinds of dems in DC..those who are going to lose in november and those who just dont know it yet

Teddy's seat? Yes, Democrats would be so arrogant as to say that.

The seat belongs to Teddy in that this is still his term and he would be sitting in it if not dead. The election today is to see who fills his seat. It is not hubris to phrase it that way.

"Election Experts Issue 'Orange Alert' for Massachusetts Special Election

Groups Urge Secretary of State Galvin to Take Action to Detect Election Tampering

LEXINGTON, Mass., Jan. 18 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -

- Representatives of nonpartisan election watchdog groups around the nation issued a last-minute 'orange alert,' warning that tomorrow's Massachusetts special election to elect a successor to the late Senator Ted Kennedy is ripe for manipulation. The groups call on Secretary of State Galvin to take immediate extra security precautions for the Senate race, which has become a high-stakes national contest. Critical national initiatives such as health care reform and financial reform will be influenced by the results of this election.

Unprecedented amounts of out-of-state money has funded a media blitz, and recent seesawing polls -- some highly questionable -- show Republican Scott Brown and Democrat Martha Coakley now reported to be in a virtual toss-up.

Experts are concerned that with the electronic election system in use, its lack of transparency and ease of manipulation, the public has no basis for trust in the accuracy and integrity of the election results. Confidence in election outcome should be based on objective verification rather than government reassurance, particularly when voting systems with so many known vulnerabilities and so little ability for oversight are employed.

"Now is the time for Massachusetts state election officials to act. Now is the time for all citizens to act," said Sally Castleman, Massachusetts voter and co-founder of Election Defense Alliance.

Members of election integrity organizations nationwide urge Secretary of State Galvin to take immediate steps to increase transparency for this electronically tabulated election.

Massachusetts elections are programmed and serviced by New England Diebold affiliate LHS Associates, a private company, located in Methuen, MA, which alone controls the trade secret software and memory cards holding all ballot and voting data. This data must be secured and held by Massachusetts election officials, experts say.

Secretary of State Galvin must immediately institute a policy and practice to ensure that public election officials and not LHS Associates maintain chain of custody over all ballots, voting machines, database files, and memory cards. Only through public possession and scrutiny of all election data can we ensure the integrity of election results.

Alert citizens can help defend against election shenanigans by volunteering as polling center watchdogs.

Election Integrity expert Brad Friedman has warned that the outcome will rely on the accuracy of votes tallied by the easily-hacked electronic Diebold/Premier optical scan voting machines, featured in the film Hacking Democracy." excerpt

What a racist remark.
#203 | Posted by AndreaMackris

You're being sarcastic, yes?

WELL SHIT..I cant believe that I have to get going today..but tomorrow should prove to be just as 'busy' as today is.

AGAIN...dont you political sluts..LIKE ME>..just love this shit...lol

hasta laredo

You've been thoroughly told what a stupid and illogical "point" it is.

Yeah, by you, Jackass and a myriad of other partisan hacks with more reflexive responses rather than actual thought on this issue.

Special Elections for Massachusetts US Senate Today you can compare the candidates at the video wire page smallpenis.com

#211 | Posted by Voice_for_Votes

#210 John Boehner tan alert.

Corky's pissed he chased a skirt instead of a pantsuit this time, and the skirt is going to lose much like the pantsuit did.

Without changes it doesn't have to be passed by the Senate a second time.

#199 | Posted by danni

Danni--the BILL HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED!

They excluded unions from being taxed!

Who knows what other winners and losers they have put into the bill...

When they changed the bill--the Senate is required to vote on the new bill.

#217 Cheesy post alert.

SORRY to put one more on but this just 'popped' up

and HERE is a democrat tactic that these fuckers just dont understand...they DONT WORK

KERRY..he was in NAM you know.. calls scott rallies 'dangerous'

What Studies Danni... please educate me. And I'm not being sarcastic. To me, it seems to be common sense that tort reform would lower the cost of health care... given that tort reform was effective.

Case in point... a neurosurgeon friend of mine pays about $90,000 in Malpractice Insurance premiums. Why... because prosecuting attorneys for such malpractice claims stand to make $250,000 dollars on just the one case alone not to mention the payout to the patient.

Now, I'm not saying doctors should not pay for their mistakes; however, the penalties and the cases that are being heard are getting out of hand. It incents the lazy to sue at the drop of the hat and attorneys to take any case that comes their way without regard to a reasonable decision.

If you lower the risk for the Insurance companies, that would lower premiums (this would be where I wouldn't be opposed to regulation) and thus lower the cost to the consumer and Health Insurance companies... in turn making health insurance premiums lower and more affordable for everyone.

That's probably a little oversimplified, but please tell me why I'm wrong. I would like to see the studies you are referring to.

partisan hacks

There's nothing "partisan" about the analysis of the inherent stupidity of what you're trying to say.

The election in Mass. has national consequences, ergo nationwide attention to it perfectly reasonable.

Its really that simple.

You lose.

Come up with some other edgy and contrarian theme to show us how independent-thinking and outside the box you are.

This one ain't doin' much for you.

The Executive and Legislative Branches were not wholly owned by one party before Bush.

Did anything ever get passed?

Despite the talk of complete obstruction, we may see forced talks between parties.

Of course, in Bush's last two years, the R's didn't control the House and still gave Bush everything he wanted.

So were the D's stupid or was Bush that good at convincing the D's to give him what he wanted. And, why can't the President do what Bush could or why can't the R's act like the D's did and give Obama what he wants?

Civil war will occur finally allowing a left wing state to be created.

The right wing has all of the guns and ammo, and, according to some here on this site, only right wing ignorant rednecks join the military.

Looks like that left wing state will remain a thing of dreams.

"The ban on pre-existing conditions does not require insurers to sell insurance to people with such conditions at the same price as those without such conditions."

Not exactly Danni, it's called advanced community rating which was another provision that AHIP insisted on having in the bill. Community rating means that the risk of one is dispersed amoung the pool, so, if you are ill, you pay the same premium as someone who is healthy (this is how group policies are normally priced). The "advanced" part is there will be a scale for age and some chosen conditions such as smoking that will cost you more.

This means that all the younger, healthy people that are currently voluntarily without insurance will be forced, by law, to purchase and subsidize the policies of the sick.

This also means that the sick will no longer be priced out of the market. yippee.

#224, very good. Jackass has a habit of showing up at a gun fight with carnuba wax and a rag from the dojo.

Did anyone else notice that it's, "Scott Diebold Brown"?

Sounds pretty (Cook)fishy to me....

#222 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Go back to cheerleading because thinking and understanding are out of your league.

A Democratic operative familiar with Martha Coakley and the DSCC's massive get-out-the-vote operation says that outreach workers in and around Boston have been stunned by the number of Democrats and Obama supporters who are waving them off, saying they'll vote for Scott Brown.

"What Studies Danni... please educate me. And I'm not being sarcastic. To me, it seems to be common sense that tort reform would lower the cost of health care... given that tort reform was effective."

"The Evidence is Clear: Med Mal 'Reform' Doesn't Lower Health Care Costs"

thinking and understanding are out of your league.

LOL

Like "thinking and understanding" the election in Mass. is of no consequence and unworthy of mention to anyone outside the Bay State?

You bet, sport.

"This means that all the younger, healthy people that are currently voluntarily without insurance will be forced, by law, to purchase and subsidize the policies of the sick.

This also means that the sick will no longer be priced out of the market. yippee."

The Republicans and Blue Dog Dems didn't want to allow any significant competition through Public Option or Medicare for All and we need to get people insured in order to lower teh overall percentage of GDP that health care consumes. Some compromises have to be made. I'm not crazy about this bill either but I still think it is better than nothing.

I'm not crazy about this bill either but I still think it is better than nothing.

#232 | Posted by danni

Health Care for illegals doesn't bother you?

The worms turn...
#229 | Posted by cookfish

And you thought that itchy sensation was just ants in your pants.

-The worms turn...

Talk about micromanagement....

And you thought that itchy sensation was just ants in your pants.

Actually, I thought that Corky hadn't shaved for a couple of days.

Actually, Cookie did have a thought once, but it turned out to be a Sarah Palin discard.

Health Care for illegals doesn't bother you?

#233 | Posted by wisgod at

I don't mind it when the fire department shows up and puts fires out for them either. . . .

#236, har, har.
#237, ZZZZzzzzzzzzz.

What's even more shocking is how little enthusiasm Coakley's campaign seems to have generated among the women of Massachusetts. According to several recent polls, female voters, who tend to be more liberal, are barely more likely than male voters to favor Coakley over Brown

I wonder if this election is doing anything to Chris Mattews thigh?

"Health Care for illegals doesn't bother you?"

On the whole I prefer not to contract tuberculosis.
I would probably still want even illegals to receive basic health care even if diseases weren't communicable but they are so I don't even have to contemplate that philosophical dilemna.

I wonder if this election will make Glenn Beck cry out of happiness or sadness???

Get out the Vicks Vaporub!

I'm not crazy about this bill either but I still think it is better than nothing.

#232 | Posted by danni

Herein lies the problem with this monstrosity of a bill. No one likes it. It's filled with payoffs and exemptions to bribe people to vote for it. It doesn't address the primary problems, and still manages to not cover millions of people. The only way to make the cost seem "reasonable" is to count 10 years worth of revenue collection but have only 7 years of expenses. Absolutely ludicrous. Yet in order to pass a bill, any bill, liberals will take whatever nasty piece of shit the Congress comes up with and call it a sweet smelling flower.

If a bill can only be passed because of payoffs, not because the Senators actually believe the bill is worthy of passage, it shouldn't be passed.

Thank you Mr.Brown for todays Stock Market Rally.

"I wonder if this election is doing anything to Chris Mattews thigh?"

Let's see what comments he has on erection day?!

What did Coakley do to alienate chicks like you, Corky?

#240 | Posted by cookfish

Tearing up your Scott Brown centerfold right in front of you and making you cry was way out of line, I thought.

...tort reform lowers the cost of healthcare by either lowering, if not eliminating, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous settlements. --
#184 | Posted by Dont_TreadonMe

In the U.S., medical errors are estimated to result in 44,000 to 98,000 unnecessary deaths and 1,000,000 excess injuries each year.[4][5] One older extrapolation suggests '180,000 people die each year partly as a result of iatrogenic injury, the equivalent of three jumbo-jet crashes every 2 days'.[6] That's more than die from motor vehicle accidents, breast cancer, or AIDS -- three causes that receive far more public attention. Indeed, more people die annually from medication errors than from workplace injuries. It is estimated that in a typical 100 to 300 bed hospital in the United States, excess costs of $1,000,000 to $3,000,000 attributable to prolonged stays and complications just due to medication errors occur yearly.

Boggles the mind that people think the answer to this is tort reform.

Good thing tomorrow night is party night at the Whitehouse. I'd hate to see our President wee wee'd up for the whole day.

#248 | Posted by Phoenix

"If we get nothing it will show that republicans truly don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves."

"I have a union job so that shit won't happen to me..."

#74 | Posted by jackass at 2010-01-19 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag: Pot meet kettle.

PHX--

Tort reform has to be targeted.

And if the Senate goes thru reconciliation--they have to take out the part of the bill having to do with medical records computer upgrades.

#248 | Posted by Phoenix at 2010-01-19 01:22 PM | Reply |

How much of that is physician related vs. nursing related (tempted to throw the nurse unions under the bus, but I'll refrain) vs hygiene related vs pharma related vs other reasons.

They (liars) may cut down on gross negligence, but would have zero impact on an error rate... Then again, if doctors weren't practicing defensive medicine, how many more mistakes would be made?

Oh, that's right, with limited liability the doctors would all be TRYING to fuck up their patients.

That's a pretty thin argument against tort reform (might I suggest a simple loser pay deal?).

Screw tort reform. I want to be able to sue if a doctor fucks me up.

Tort reform does not disallow doctors, nurses, etc from being sued. No one will lose the ability to recover any damages that are caused by the medical community. Tort reform addressed excessive punitive damages, not "ordinary" damages. Some states, like Washington, already have such legislation, and no problems have been forthcoming. Since most actions in tort are in state courts, however, there is little that can be done at the national level. Punitive damages are often many times higher than the actual damages recovered. Limiting these damages can significantly reduce insurance costs, thus malpractice costs, thus day to day patient costs.

Jackass wants cheap health care and then sue when the quality isn't up to his expectations. You lefties are so lucky to have a big thinker like this in your midsts.

"Screw tort reform. "

-Sounds uncomfortable.

"I want to be able to sue if a doctor fucks me up."

-Too late.

If a doctor cuts off the wrong leg you better believe he owes me more than $250,000. and it happens all the time. Remember, when this error is made (usually a diabetes patient) the other leg still needs to be amputated anyway so the patient ends up with no legs at all. And then the tort reform folks want to limit his pain and suffering to $250,000. Bull shit.

"Jackass wants cheap health care and then sue when the quality isn't up to his expectations."

Once again, tort reform does not significantly reduce the cost of health care, how many times do you need to be told????
Some folks can't learn.

".... annual jury awards and legal settlements involving doctors amounts to "a drop in the bucket" in a country that spends $2.3 trillion annually on health care, said Amitabh Chandra, a Harvard University economist. Chandra estimated the cost at $12 per person in the U.S., or about $3.6 billion, in a 2005 study. Insurer WellPoint Inc. said last month that liability wasn't driving premiums.

"Medical malpractice dollars are a red herring," Chandra said in a telephone interview. "No serious economist thinks that saving money in med mal is the way to improve productivity in the system. There's so many other sources of inefficiency."

I want to be able to sue if a doctor fucks me up.

What if some smudge of bloodsucking filth comes along and convinces an uneducated person like yourself that you have been "fucked up" when in reality you have no legitimate claim? That's how these litigious vermin subsist - they prey on stressed, emotionally vulnerable individuals dealing with life-altering events and exploit a flawed legal system to get their cut. All too often, malpractice law is a business run by parasites.

All too often, malpractice law is a business run by parasites.

Yeah, I love those commercials for the lawyers who say "have you recently been operated on? You may be entitled to money. Call me for a free consultation."

Once again, tort reform does not significantly reduce the cost of health care, how many times do you need to be told????
Some folks can't learn.

#259 | Posted by danni

Who speaking of tort reform?
Some folks can't learn to read.

annual jury awards and legal settlements involving doctors amounts to "a drop in the bucket" in a country that spends $2.3 trillion annually on health care

Yet no mention of the malpractice insurance rates a doctor has to pay to practice. In Florida, you can opt to practice without it, but you must put up a $250,000 cash bond.

What if some smudge of bloodsucking filth comes along and convinces an uneducated person like yourself that you have been "fucked up" when in reality you have no legitimate claim? That's how these litigious vermin subsist - they prey on stressed, emotionally vulnerable individuals dealing with life-altering events and exploit a flawed legal system to get their cut. All too often, malpractice law is a business run by parasites.

Then make it a felony for lawyers to market themselves to the injured. Your argument is no reason to limit the right of someone who has been legitimately harmed to seek the recovery they deserve.

Just wondering here - what might have happened had Ted not forced the change in the law allowing appointment of his successor? Could it be that the Senate Dems might have taken more time, knowing that they did not have the 60 votes, and worked out a better bill? And now Mass would be voting on a replacement for Ted, where the Dem candidate would have the traditional Dem advantage in that state? And then they could have voted on a really good bill instead of this fiasco that we ended up with? Just wondering here, that's all.

Kanrei,

Med Mal prices are also blamed for shortages of OBGYN's in NY and CT.

I love when one sides stands up for its campaign contributors and then the other does the same. Then both sides call each other hypocrites (SSDD).

uh-huh
#179 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2010-01-19 12:19 PM

You and politifact can obfuscate the issues all you want Corky, but the reality is:

Expanding military footprint
Increased military spending
No transparency
No accountability
Continued welfare for the banking and housing industries
No restoration of civil liberties
No end to secret prisons

Change in these issues are the reasons Obama and the left grabbed independents. There has been no movement on any of these issues, except in the wrong direction...as a result, there will be consequences.

Kanrei wants republican control so that America will be forced into aiding Israel attack Iran. It's all so clear now.

Looks like Jackass and GoodLittlePederast buy their angel dust from the same pusher.

"There has been no movement on any of these issues, except in the wrong direction...as a result, there will be consequences."

I think we are probably seeing consequences in MA today. People wanted real change on health care not subsidies for insurance companies. It may require that they change Senate Rules before anything significant can be accomplished with all the Blue Dogs who are owned and operated by insurance lobby.

"There has been no movement on any of these issues, except in the wrong direction...as a result, there will be consequences."

I think we are probably seeing consequences in MA today. People wanted real change on health care not subsidies for insurance companies. It may require that they change Senate Rules before anything significant can be accomplished with all the Blue Dogs who are owned and operated by insurance lobby.

Teddy's dead. Not his seat. It belongs to the people of Massachusetts, and they seem to agree.

#3 | Posted by cookfish at 2010-01-19 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

You turds do realize that the use of the name in referencing the seat is just to denote who vacated the seat, right?

I think we are probably seeing consequences in MA today.

I think what you are seeing in MA today is that Teddy kept his seat more due to the Kennedy in his name than the party affiliation behind it.

Just cast my vote for Martha Coakley, as did my entire family. Even brought my grandmother down to vote.

What's wrong CS, could've find any undocumented Massholes to bring with you too?

What if some smudge of bloodsucking filth comes along and convinces an uneducated person like yourself that you have been "fucked up" when in reality you have no legitimate claim? That's how these litigious vermin subsist - they prey on stressed, emotionally vulnerable individuals dealing with life-altering events and exploit a flawed legal system to get their cut. All too often, malpractice law is a business run by parasites.

Well, if you have no legitimate claim, the jury should be able to figure that out and reward you accordingly.

I agree, though, that arguing over who pays the bills is not productive work, and a large chunk of our health care dollar is spent not delivering care but sorting out the bill.

That's why single payer is so attractive; it not only offers a tremendous economy of scale, but when there's just a single payer, it eliminates the useless bickering about who pays.

Happy to say my family cancelled yours out, and most likely then some.

"the jury should be able to figure that out and reward you accordingly."

Only if your peers are MD's?

"I agree, though, that arguing over who pays the bills is not productive work, and a large chunk of our health care dollar is spent not delivering care but sorting out the bill."

Except that it isn't a "large chunk" it's a small chunk. No one denies there are some abuses but there are abuses in anything. How many doctors are ripping of Medicare??? Here in S. Florida quite a few. That's no reason though to eliminate Medicare.
Don't forget also that often it is the same few doctors committing malpractice multiple times and not being disciplined by the medical community, that part of the argument seems to be forgotten quite often.

"Only if your peers are MD's?"

A doctor is no more or less qualified to determine "pain and suffering" awards than anyone else. Your real "peers" know as much or more than a doctor about how much losing the use of your leg is worth.

Maloney: Health Care Dies If Coakley Loses

By Michael McAuliff

Count Manhattan Rep. Carolyn Maloney among those seeing doom for the health care reform effort if Scott Brown stomps Martha Coakley in Massachusetts, reports Michael Saul.

"If she loses, it's over," Maloney said just a little bit ago at an event with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in Queens.

That runs counter to the messages of Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Ways and Means boss Charlie Rangel, but it's clearly a feeling that's growing out there.

A big part of the problem is that last week an effort to come up with a doomsday scenario collapsed, with House members flatly rejecting the idea of just taking the Senate version, thereby skipping the need for a conference committee, or for the Senate to go at it again.

With a Brown win, the Senate Republicans have the 41st vote required to block a vote, and even if it can be held before Brown is seated, some conservative Democrats could be thinking twice.

I would wager the Medical Society's disciplining of doctors is on par with the Bar Associations disciplining of Liars?

"pain and suffering"? Afraid something that subjective is akin to "wheel of fortune"!

"I would wager the Medical Society's disciplining of doctors is on par with the Bar Associations disciplining of Liars?"

Attorneys can be sued for malpractice too, I know one who was.

"Afraid something that subjective is akin to "wheel of fortune"!

Perhaps but a cap of $250,000 is ridiculous.

In the U.S., medical errors are estimated to result in 44,000 to 98,000 unnecessary deaths and 1,000,000 excess injuries each year.[4][5] One older extrapolation suggests '180,000 people die each year partly as a result of iatrogenic injury, the equivalent of three jumbo-jet crashes every 2 days'.[6] That's more than die from motor vehicle accidents, breast cancer, or AIDS -- three causes that receive far more public attention. Indeed, more people die annually from medication errors than from workplace injuries. It is estimated that in a typical 100 to 300 bed hospital in the United States, excess costs of $1,000,000 to $3,000,000 attributable to prolonged stays and complications just due to medication errors occur yearly.

Boggles the mind that people think the answer to this is tort reform.

#248 | Posted by Phoenix

Boggles the mind that people think the answer to this is sending people to the doctor.

Why have National Health Insurance with that kind of medical mistakes.

I think we should be discussing National Life Insurance, not health.

Forcing people to have health insurance only to have them go to doctors that have a good chance of killing them is....

wait...

that explains why the Congress is so heavily invested in Cemeteries...

What's wrong CS, could've find any undocumented Massholes to bring with you too?

#275 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD at 2010-01-19 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

????

Bringing my family to vote seems to have upset. I guess my family exercising it's rights doesn't sit well with you.....Tough Titties.

.....or is it just because we didn't vote for the person you want to win? Either way, you seem like a douche-bag.

The first early returns now show Coakley taking a surprising sizable lead.

Just kidding.

I just read that, in a shocking move, the Massachusetts Democratic party has brought in Kathrine Harris to help count the votes.

"Bringing my family to vote seems to have upset. I guess my family exercising it's rights doesn't sit well with you.....Tough Titties."

Posted by COMMONSENSE

"Bringing your whole family!" That makes like what three in your mind?; you and your two hands made up like Senor Wences puppets only count as one.

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,

Their signs to January's breeze unfurled,

Here once embattled 'Baggers stood

And hired the Scott heard round the world.

Scott Brown (R), 3 votes (50%)
Martha Coakley (D), 3 votes (50%)
Joseph Kennedy (L), 0 votes (0%)

Positive proof that the DR is a mirror image of MA politics.....

Sure Franken wasn't seated til July, but the margin was tiny and it was touch-and-go during the recount. Unless this is equally close, the Dems will end up falling on their swords if they act in defiance of the voters' will in MA and drag their feet in swearing Brown in. Any way you slice it, this is bad, bad, bad for Dems!

#290

One if by Land
Two if by Sea
Three strikes you're out

"Bringing your whole family!" That makes like what three in your mind?; you and your two hands made up like Senor Wences puppets only count as one.

#289 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2010-01-19 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

???

Actually, it's my mother, father, sister and grandmother.

Sorry, none of us voted for the person you want to win.....so I guess it's time to attack them for voting.

I don't know, boys and girls.

Huge turnout in bad weather?
Favors the Dem, most likely.

Keep them 'Naners warming up, Rogers!

Since there's a Libertarian candidate in this race, shouldn't you "Keep the Government out of my life" types be voting for him? Or is the idea of all these new born "Libertarians" just bullshit?

And where exactly does voting for a nudie model fit in with your "Family Values"?

Republicans on DR thinking....hmmmm....there's got to be a way to hack that vote counting thing....

"And where exactly does voting for a nudie model fit in with your "Family Values"?"

It's the Larry Craig wing of the party.

Top Senate Democrat Outlines 'Nuclear Option' Strategy for Health Care

A top Senate Democrat for the first time Tuesday acknowledged that the party is prepared to deal with health care reform by using a controversial legislative tactic known as the "nuclear option" if Republican Scott Brown wins the Massachusetts Senate election.

In the U.S., medical errors are estimated to result in 44,000 to 98,000 unnecessary deaths and 1,000,000 excess injuries each year.[4][5] One older extrapolation suggests '180,000 people die each year partly as a result of iatrogenic injury, the equivalent of three jumbo-jet crashes every 2 days'.[6] That's more than die from motor vehicle accidents, breast cancer, or AIDS -- three causes that receive far more public attention. Indeed, more people die annually from medication errors than from workplace injuries. It is estimated that in a typical 100 to 300 bed hospital in the United States, excess costs of $1,000,000 to $3,000,000 attributable to prolonged stays and complications just due to medication errors occur yearly.

Boggles the mind that people think the answer to this is tort reform.

#248 | Posted by Phoenix

Errors don't necessarily equate to negligence.

Huge turnout in bad weather?
Favors the Dem, most likely.

Keep them 'Naners warming up, Rogers!

#295 | Posted by Corky

Sorry Corky, huge turnout and long lines outside of Boston---favors Brown.

I mean, his whole family is just dying to be Hollywood celebrities. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that the Pubbies are always rallying against?

Wall Street rallies on close Massachusetts race

304!!!!!!!

Insurance industry execs want to thank all you little people who helped out their struggling industry by supporting the GOP and Big Bidness.

yeah, and this is why heathcare stocks have steadily risen since the passage in the house?

yeah, and this is why heathcare stocks have steadily risen since the passage in the house?

I really would like to hear an honest answer to this other than the fact that the health industry investors look to profit from the bill.

Heaven forbid.

And where exactly does voting for a nudie model fit in with your "Family Values"?

#296 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2010-01-19 04:22 PM | Reply |

The person that held the seat before him was a drunken murderer. Seriously, you homos really want to go there?
(I'm talking about the comparison)

The person that held the seat before him was a drunken murderer.

OK, so don't vote for Ted Kennedy then.

How does that justify voting for a nudie model wanna-be Hollywood star?

Oh I get it, winning is more important than values.

The person that held the seat before him was a drunken murderer. Seriously, you homos really want to go there?

Who said homos care about family values? They only care about yankee the wankie, or playing lickolotopuss.

#305 |

Perhaps Rogers will also add a Braille utility so you can read #303

How much of that is physician related vs. nursing related (tempted to throw the nurse unions under the bus, but I'll refrain) vs hygiene related vs pharma related vs other reasons. -- #253 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

In the studies I've seen, it's systems-related. Air-traffic controllers make mistakes, for example, but there are procedures in place to catch the mistakes before they result in crashes.

Not only are there startlingly few such procedures in place in most hospitals, but the "Doctor is God" culture discourages people who notice mistakes (nurses, most notably) from pointing them out.

Tort reform addressed excessive punitive damages, not "ordinary" damages. -- #255 | Posted by SpokaneJim

"Excessive" according to whom? 12 people who heard all the evidence and testimony believe the damages are fair. The defendants, though, have a lobby.

The Coakley campaign is bridling at finger-pointing from the White House and Washington Democrats, and an outside adviser to the campaign has provided to POLITICO a memo aimed at rebutting the charge that Coakley failed and making the case that national Democrats failed her.

The adviser, who made the case to my colleague Jonathan Martin on the condition of anonymity in response, he said, to "the current leaking coming out of the White House and the DNC that is chalking all of this up to a "bad candidate".

Blame it all on the demoRATS!

I really would like to hear an honest answer to this other than the fact that the health industry investors look to profit from the bill.

I could be way off but I don't think the results of this election matters at all.

I think the insurance and big pharma have already decided they will get what they want........and Wall Street has responded.

Sounds like astoturf, brown shirted tea Baggers to me Corky.

Only a partisan hack liike corky could ignore what happened!!!

Brown Capitalized on Concerns About National Democrats

From the beginning, Brown labeled President Obama's health care and cap and trade plans as tax increases. Polling throughout the race showed this to be the most effective attack on Coakley.

Coakley's lead dropped significantly after the Senate passed health care reform shortly before Christmas and after the Christmas Eve "bombing" incident. Polling showed significant concerns with the actions of Senator Nelson to hold out for a better deal. Senator Nelson's actions specifically hurt Coakley who was forced to backtrack on her opposition to the abortion restriction amendment.

Democrats concerns with Obama's Afghanastain plan forced Coakley to oppose the Afghan war in the primary, which hurt her in the general.

Claims about Coakley's Scant Campaigning and Miscues Were exaggerated

Because of the failure of national Democrats to support Coakley, she was forced to devote significant time to fundraising in December. She also released a variety of plans in December and had a public event nearly every day.

Coakley's failure to release television advertisments until 12 days before the election was the result of a fundraising problem that national Democrats failed to resolve. Meanwhile, right wing groups pumped significant amounts of money into Brown's campaign allowing him to go up with ads first, including negative attack ads funded by the Swift Boat and Willie Horton groups.

When a loser blames someone else, it's called being a poor sport!

demoRATS

Democrats concerns with Obama's Afghanastan plan forced Coakley to oppose the Afghan war in the primary, which hurt her in the general.

What the fuck?

Democrats concerns with Obama's Afghanastan plan forced Coakley to oppose the Afghan war in the primary, which hurt her in the general.

--

Yeah she says the terrorists are gone from Afghanistan!!

And she thinks Curt Shilling is a Yankee fan!!

Let's talk about her record though--

Letting an innocent guy stay in prison for four years.

And ignoring a MA cop (probably a friend of her husband) who molested a 2 year old with a curling iron (?) off on OR and do nothing for two years. The following DA had to finally bring the grand jury and get this cop off the street.

She's a peach...

And for whatever it is worth--the DNC blew this plain and simple.

They allowed this seat to slip through their fingers.

Coakley is terrible and lead a terrible campaign.

The indie's are leaving Obama and his policies in droves.

Started with NJ and VA and now here in the bluest of blue states MA.

What a wonderful day this could be for the Republic.

#17 | POSTED BY JAK_SE_MAO

You are a fucking idiot. Rome is burning and you are still "lockjawed" in the throws of partisanship. The same wedge issues exists and the same "gridlock" will continue while Rome burns to the ground. Think there are do-overs? Nyet Comrade Smegmaski. I don't believe this country could survive another civil war.

Geez Legio--a bit hyperbolic there guy...

How could anybody lose a 30 point lead in 30 days????????????

Geez Legio--a bit hyperbolic there guy...

#323 | POSTED BY MURPHY

not at all..You fuckers are polishing the brass on the Titanic..

What we have here is a vote against Obama-Pelosi-Reid. They've scared the heck out of Mass.

If we get nothing it will show that republicans truly don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. I pray they all get sick and can't afford coverage. I have a union job so that shit won't happen to me but I hope it happens to every rethug on this blog.

#74 | Posted by jackass at 2010-01-19 11:11 AM

Hey dumbass, you're job can go away any day. You ain't near the cheese you think.

your job not you're job

my bad

I don't believe this country could survive another civil war.

Shrieking liberal pussies such as yourself certainly couldn't. So it might be in your best interest to check any talk about it.

Sit back and enjoy the election results, Sparky.

Good times. :)

So much for tea partiers and their insignificance.

What we have here is a vote against Obama-Pelosi-Reid. They've scared the heck out of Mass.

#326 | Posted by mysterytoy

As well as any other liberal up for election anytime soon.....they can sure as hell forget about 'hope' and certainly count on 'change'.
.

Now this is REAL hope and change.

Danni, when Obama says he is going to tax banks where do you think those taxes get filtered down to, the people who have accounts with them ultimately pay the increased taxes.

#107 | Posted by fishpaw at 2010-01-19 11:35 AM | Reply

Many people don't have the capacity for reality. They truly delude themselves to believe there is actually something for nothing in this world.

Heaven ain't on earth but these busybodies believe they can make it so just by intruding into the lives of others and paying themselves large government paychecks off the sweat and labor of minimal compensated private sector employees that know the meaning of work and over regulation.

When the canibals(progressive, communist, government employees) have to begin eating each other they still won't understand what's happened.

Funny thing is. No, make that, sad thing is we're already there and they don't have a clue.

#330 | Posted by matsop

The overwhelming arrogance shown by Obama-Pelosi-Reid and their ilk is going to cost them dearly

The mid-terms should prove to be nothing short of cataclysmic for the liberals that choose to embrace the policies of Husssein....
.

30 MINUTES TO GO

LET THE ASS WHIPPING BEGIN

I hope

MSNBC just declared Coakley the winner...........

So much for tea partiers and their insignificance.

#330 | Posted by matsop

Shouldn't the TeaBaggers be voting for the 3rd party guy? The one who's for decreased spending and less government, or are you really just against anything Obama?

Tight Massachusetts race alarms California Dems

Tuesday, January 19, 2010

The possible loss of a U.S. Senate seat in Massachusetts has Democrats on edge 3,000 miles away in California, where party activists fear a GOP upset today could trigger a conservative wave and swamp health care reform and the 2010 midterm elections.

MSNBC just declared Coakley the winner.....

You're fucking me....

Shrieking liberal pussies such as yourself certainly couldn't. So it might be in your best interest to check any talk about it.
Sit back and enjoy the election results, Sparky.
Good times. :)

#329 | POSTED BY JAK_SE_MAO

Shreiking liberal pussy? Dare you to come get some pussy..you couldn't handle it fat fuck..

And the hits just keep on comming.....

By Mark Murray

Poll: Americans skeptical of Obama's promises

Only 35 percent say they're confident he's got the right set of goals, policies

Mark Murray
Deputy political director


WASHINGTON - When Barack Obama entered office, the expectations that he and others set for his presidency couldn't have been higher.

Obama announced that he was embarking on an ambitious agenda to create new jobs, to reform the nation's health care system, to lessen the world's nuclear threats and to curb partisan bickering.

So much for tea partiers and their insignificance.

#330 | Posted by matsop

Shouldn't the TeaBaggers be voting for the 3rd party guy? The one who's for decreased spending and less government, or are you really just against anything Obama?

#337 | Posted by TFDNihilist

There was no 3rd party in this race and the folks are so angry about what's going on in Washington that they'll vote for anyone but a dem--it's 2008 turned on its head. I think what was the final straw were the special deals made by congress and Obama--they're angry about the deception as well---no, I'm not against everything Obama. Obama carried on the fiscal irresponsibility of Bush as well and people want fiscal responsibility to be brought back to Washington.

or are you really just against anything Obama?

#337 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Yes I am against anything Obama because he is a misguided idiot with a ridiculous agenda of self promotion regardless of the requirements of his postion.

Yes I am against anything Obama - and so are the people of MASS.

Are you against anything that might make you look like you are more than a dope smoking fat idiot?

Majority Whip Jim Clyburn today argued that the Mass. voters were so pissed at Bush's policies that they were going to vote against government. Looks like the Dems are really losing it. Voters are so pissed at Republicans they're going to vote for a Republican. It's not about Obama or his policies, this vote is all about the voters' hate toward George Bush. Makes sense, but only if you're a liberal.

If Scott Brown wins the irony may be that he may have saved Obama and the democrats from themselves.

Are you against anything that might make you look like you are more than a dope smoking fat idiot?

#343 | Posted by 8roper

Well, I am for the truth, which is that none of those is true.

---------------

There was no 3rd party in this race

#342 | Posted by matsop

Except of course the guy in the 3rd party, the Libertarian, who was in this race.

If Scott Brown wins the irony may be that he may have saved Obama and the democrats from themselves.

#345 | Posted by matsop

That's an intersting comment ----

I was thinking earlier that if the dems wise up and back down on HC after a Brown win - the animosity felt towards the dems by voters might well lose some inertia by fall of 2010.

This election (if won by Brown)will also possibly unmask who Barack Obama really is ---which hat: the narcissistic pragmatist or the closet neo-marxist I think he really is?---and I may be totally wrong on the latter but if one looks at his background and other factors I wouldn't just dismiss that possibility.

Ms. Coakley is now going public with claims of voter fraud. That means two things--she lost--and here we go again--into the courts....

Also, if Coakley wins (which would be barely)and the dems go forward with their agenda they are dead-meat in 2010.

MSNBC is interviewing an underaged little boy sitting at a bar in Boston.

Somebody needs to call the Mass. AG.

Ms. Coakley is now going public with claims of voter fraud. That means two things--she lost--and here we go again--into the courts....

That could give the Democrats time to get the bill through before Brown is potentially seated.

vThat's an intersting comment ----

I was thinking earlier that if the dems wise up and back down on HC after a Brown win - the animosity felt towards the dems by voters might well lose some inertia by fall of 2010.

#347 | Posted by 8roper

And you're right on with that comment. The repubs would still pick up some seats but not as many. If the dems were smart (and I was prez) I would include the repubs in real healthcare reform.

Mats You are giving him too much credit.

He is a simple black kid from Chicago who now gets to act like top dog and he is pushing whatever the now elected anti-Bush Congress will let him pass.

He has no real set of values; no real goals.

His sole purpose is to "run thangs"

and

show de world dat he's da pres i dent"

regardless of what true honor and duty would have him really pushing ...... he is just trying to BE IN CHARGE and DO SHIT

(my 355 was in response to "....the narcissistic pragmatist or the closet neo-marxist I think he really is?")

Somebody needs to call the Mass. AG.

#352 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

She's busy.

She's plungering her twat with the Scott Brown Cosmo on the floor... open to the centerfold

That could give the Democrats time to get the bill through before Brown is potentially seated.

The Mass. Secretary of State isn't playing that game.

Being from Columbia university and indoctrinated in the ways of Saul Alinsky in community organization I would be careful not to downgrade this guy's inner thoughts and motivation--- Saul's son, David said after the democratic convention that Barack had "learned his lessons well."

MSNB declares Elvsi is Bigfoot.....

At or about 5:30 PM, the Coakley campaign issued a press release alleging that Republicans were engaged in vote fraud and that ballots pre-marked for Scott Brown were handed out outside polling places.

Notice anything peculiar about the press release?

That's right, it's dated yesterday, the day before the election.

I would be careful not to downgrade this guy's inner thoughts and motivation

I do not see him as capable of what you fear.

While vile and reprehensible - Saul Alinsky school of thought does require a certain level of thinking, a certain level of intelligence.

I do not see Barry as having the brains to really be a good student of that crap.

Its genetic, you know.

Mats You are giving him too much credit.

He is a simple black kid from Chicago who now gets to act like top dog and he is pushing whatever the now elected anti-Bush Congress will let him pass.

He has no real set of values; no real goals.

His sole purpose is to "run thangs"

and

show de world dat he's da pres i dent"

regardless of what true honor and duty would have him really pushing ...... he is just trying to BE IN CHARGE and DO SHIT

#355 | Posted by 8roper

Read Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals" ---then relate that to how Barack ran his campaign with the slogans and how he operates with attacks on multiple groups and causes constant controversy--you might find it interesting.

Unless Scott Brown wins by a decisive margin, there is apparently a strategy in place to allege fraud and then have a recount... in which bundles of votes from Democrat districts will mysteriously appear in weeks after the election in numbers sufficient to put the Democrat over the top. Which is exactly what happened in the elections of Al Franken and Christine Gregoire.

WHY are tonight's election returns so late behind the actual poll closing?????

are the rules in MASS diferent than the standard rules on a big election night???

we usually get returns much faster in most elections - or am I totally tlaking out my ass????

Yeah Mats - i agree , he has a modus operandi -

but he cannot conceive of any major agenda , past being DA MAN in charge .

look how miserably he is failing .

That should tell you right there.

They didn't plan logistically for exit polling because it wasn't supposed to be a close race.

He is a simple black kid from Chicago ...

He's not from Chicago. As for him being simple, he graduated Columbia and Harvard Law. Where did you go to college?

His sole purpose is to "run thangs" and show de world dat he's da pres i dent"

This kind of stuff is why Republicans can't get black or Hispanic votes.

It was "Teddy's seat", after all...

LOL

How great/ironic is it gonna be when "the Lion of the Senate"'s death will be the undoing of his "life's work".

There is no denial, THIS IS A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW AMERICAN'S DO NOT WANT BIG GOV'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a simple black kid from Chicago ...

He's not from Chicago
#368 | Posted by rcade

Sure Rcade , you silly butt nut, if you want to SPLIT hairs , this cat is ACTUALLY from NAIROBI , motherfucker, so try again.

His sole purpose is to "run thangs" and show de world dat he's da pres i dent"

This kind of stuff is why Republicans can't get black or Hispanic votes.#368 | Posted by rcade

YEAH BUT THEY SURE CAN GET VOTES IN MASS !!!! can't they ??? !!! , you bombastic little fruity freak. RCADE your retorts, as usual, are predictable in their structure and format - "'this is why repubs blah blah blah ..... " we expect better.. Fruity pants.

Thanks for writing

stay in touch

your pal,

8 roper

Unless Scott Brown wins by a decisive margin, there is apparently a strategy in place to allege fraud and then have a recount... in which bundles of votes from Democrat districts will mysteriously appear in weeks after the election in numbers sufficient to put the Democrat over the top. Which is exactly what happened in the elections of Al Franken and Christine Gregoire.

#364 | Posted by mysterytoy

If that happens the country will implode--I know democrats have a record of that sort of thing but I think Americans are not going to accept the dishonesty in this country like they have in the past. They've watched the last year and they're sick and tired of it.

>As for him being simple, he graduated Columbia and Harvard Law.

And Bush graduated from Yale, yet that became the punchline.

Let's try to be consistent, yes?

Seriously, you homos really want to go there?

#307 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2010-01-19 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow....now you're asking 'homos' to go places with you?

Kick that closet door open, whine-oh-whine!

There is no denial, THIS IS A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW AMERICAN'S DO NOT WANT BIG GOV'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A state election is a statement from America?

That's odd, I would have thought it was a statement from 52% of Massachusetts residents.

you bombastic little fruity freak

Bombastic? Do you even know what that word means?

The girl with the weird name and jet black hair that keeps coming on orielly lately has fuckin torpedo tits.

really fuckin massive

I'll be back later.

bout 3 minutes.

And Bush graduated from Yale, yet that became the punchline.

Because he BARELY graduated from Yale. Even with daddy's help.

See the difference?

I know democrats have a record of that sort of thing...

Just Democrats?

What we have here is a vote against Obama-Pelosi-Reid. They've scared the heck out of Mass.

#326 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2010-01-19 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

How so? Obama carried this state by 26 points.

HA O'Reilly just said life was looking up because Brown was winning.

LOL fair and balanced eh?

Bombastic? Do you even know what that word means?

I think I eluded to your being full of hot air when, in the same comment, I said:

RCADE your retorts, as usual, are predictable in their structure and format - "'this is why repubs blah blah blah ..... "

notice the "blah blah blah"

this will help you get a feel for the word bombastic.

You must realize you are outclassed , houseboy -
PLEASE RCADE -just run the site.

stay out of the discussions .

BTW I saw your appearance , finally, when the Pope turned out to take the name you predicted.

For a weird fruit,
you are a pretty funny guy, Herve.

How so? Obama carried this state by 26 points.

Didn't you get the memo? Obama's election was not a condemnation of Republicans, just like this election is a condemnation of Obama by America.

Started with NJ and VA and now here in the bluest of blue states MA.

#321 | Posted by MURPHY at 2010-01-19 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you actually from Mass?

Brown is ahead by about 32,000 votes.

This is going to be a nailbiter.

Coakley or Brown by 1-2%

I know democrats have a record of that sort of thing...

Just Democrats?

#378 | Posted by jpw

Mostly democrats--please educate me on a race where republicans ever after the fact came up with missing ballots.

I've ben dinking. Go Browne!

Brown is about 6% ahead right now.

If that happens the country will implode--I know democrats have a record of that sort of thing but I think Americans are not going to accept the dishonesty in this country like they have in the past. They've watched the last year and they're sick and tired of it.

#372 | Posted by matsop at 2010-01-19 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag

Implode? You're quite the drama queen.

"I know democrats have a record of that sort of thing" Really? How soon your forget the Coleman-Franken race.

How many months was that? 8 months Coleman and the Repubs tied up Franken with lawsuits and recounts.....but you know it's "the democrats that have a record of that sort of thing". Sure.

HA O'Reilly just said life was looking up because Brown was winning.

LOL fair and balanced eh?

#380 | Posted by jpw

I've been listening to O'Reilly and I've not heard that and my hearing is pretty good but then again----

I'M CALLING IT

half the vote is counted ....and its brown 53 cuntly 47

its over

HAH HA HA HA HA HA

where are cock suckfest and corkhole and danni and danni forth????

O'Reilly and his guest were just incredibly unprofessional.

For a fair and balanced news network, Fox contributors are awfully gleeful over this race.

Didn't you get the memo? Obama's election was not a condemnation of Republicans, just like this election is a condemnation of Obama by America.

#382 | Posted by jpw at 2010-01-19 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

IS or ISN'T?

#372 | Posted by matsop

Why not?
We accepted it in Minnesota.

I know democrats have a record of that sort of thing" Really? How soon your forget the Coleman-Franken race.

How many months was that? 8 months Coleman and the Repubs tied up Franken with lawsuits and recounts.....but you know it's "the democrats that have a record of that sort of thing". Sure.

#389 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Commonsense, talking about missing ballots showing up after the fact not legitimate challenges when a race is very close.

MR ROGERS, CHANGE THE HEADLINE

Be a news breaker.

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN

OBAMA SUX

LOL fair and balanced eh?

#380 | Posted by jpw

Another weiner aficionado , contributing to the ratings. Priceless!

I've ben dinking.

How is that any different from your ordinary weekday afternoon, Wissy?

Time to use the Nuclear Option against the Republican Filibuster.

KABOOM! Health care Passed.

If that upsets you, how upset were you when the republicans used the Nuclear Option THREE TIMES to pass Bush's tax cuts for the rich in time of War?

#375 | Posted by jpw

Absolutely!!!
Is trhere a bluer state than MA?
That seat has not been R in more than 50 yrs.
You cannot possibly be that blind/ignorant!!

I just had to turn to msnbc, chris matthews is high. I love how he is now blaming Coakley for the defeat.

Starting to eat their own.

Hope and change...........

I love you until you lose and you're history.....

For a fair and balanced news network, Fox contributors are awfully gleeful over this race.

#392 | Posted by jpw

I didn't see that--the repug was pretty happy and the dem wasn't--I haven't seen any glee at all.

The american people have spoken.

Looks like Brown's gonna win this one.

Unless Scott Brown wins by a decisive margin, there is apparently a strategy in place to allege fraud and then have a recount... in which bundles of votes from Democrat districts will mysteriously appear in weeks after the election in numbers sufficient to put the Democrat over the top. Which is exactly what happened in the elections of Al Franken and Christine Gregoire.

#364 | Posted by mysterytoy

Did you learn this watching Jessee Ventura's Conspiracy Theory?

Tits sag, but a great ass is forever.

This one could have been a contender if her hair were four feet longer and real.

Thanks, Zat, but hips not wide enough.

8.5

I think it's an ISN'T.

Time to use the Nuclear Option against the Republican Filibuster.
KABOOM! Health care Passed.
If that upsets you, how upset were you when the republicans used the Nuclear Option THREE TIMES to pass Bush's tax cuts for the rich in time of War?

#399 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Wouldn't be upset at ALL, do it, I double dog dare you! The Democrats will get taken to the woodshed come fall if they did now....

The american people have spoken.

#404 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2010-01-19 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny, Sara Plain didn't think the People of Massachusetts were 'REAL AMERICANS' (that was reserved only for the 'heartland') yet now 'AMERICA HAS SPOKEN'?

GOVERNMENT HIJACKING OF HEALTHCARE DOLLARS HAS BEEN KILLED BY MASSACHUSETTES

You normally suck my dick at 3.

I think you have me confused with the 13 year old boy living down the street from you.

Time to put Jak Se Mao's Dancin' Bananas up front, Rcade!

Sara Plain

Relevant!!