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Monday, January 18, 2010

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, ABC News reports. The manufacturer, Trijicon, confirmed that it adds the biblical codes to the sights sold to the U.S. military. Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them."

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"He also claims they've told him that commanders have referred to weapons with the sights as "spiritually transformed firearm[s] of Jesus Christ."

That is just awesome! Sounds like a line right out of Full Metal Jacket.

The article also states:
"U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents."

I'm not sure I would consider some Biblical verse codes proselytizing. You'd already need to be somewhat familiar with the Bible to know what the code means. It is more of a wink to those in the know than it is putting your message out there for anyone to hear.

I definitely see how the groups we are fighting could use this in claiming that US occupation of regions in the middle east is a religious crusade.

It must be awesome having JC be your product pitchman.

Of course, there is nothing offensive or wrong with using JC as your very own Michael Jordan --- as he comes Dirt Cheap (like you don't have to pay an imaginary sky god for their endorsements)!

This is exactly Why I don't Subscribe to today's Corporate Church.

I object to these sights being made by a Michigan company. The contract should instead be awarded to a right-to-work state.

"Jesus don't like killin', no matter what th' reason's for..."

-John Prine

God, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have any problem with it.

If there was a Real Christian Base in the country ---- they would come down real hard on this type of shenanigans.

But something tells me not to expect any sort of boycott or rally from this group.
Just like Al Qaeda, they will grab on to any religious text they can use to justify their fetish(s).

Reminds me of those old elementary school questions.

1) Guns
2) Killing
3) Jesus
--- what doesn't belong?

I know a guy who calls his SIG P220 "The Hammer of Thor", does that count?

Giving Jihadists more ammunition to claim America is waging a religious war. Apparently the mentally ill people at this company want it to be. They should not be allowed to have anything to do with producing our weapons.

"The contract should instead be awarded to a right-to-work state."

Obviously Jesus doesn't like "right-to-work" states ---- cause they made a pact with the devil (true story)!

Sincerely

Pat Robertson

Hell with right to work states, better to send it to right to be a slave countries.

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I know a guy who calls his SIG P220 "The Hammer of Thor", does that count?

No, that's just badass.

Sounds like a line right out of Full Metal Jacket.

I was thinking Apocalypse Now, but yeah lol.

So? Bible verses are typed to the bottom of In-N-Out Burger cups.

Zat your friend could save time and just call it "Mjollnir" (sp?)

figures

WOW! Wonder why they couldn't fit the Communist Manifesto somewhere on the weapons - you know - to keep the left happy?!?

Return them as "defective".

dismissed the charges as coming from a group that is "not Christian,"

How does that not make it true? These holy rollers really take the cake.

Doesn't the Bible tell us to beat these into plowshares?

Doesn't the Bible tell us to beat these into plowshares?

No, it says point them at brown people and pull the trigger. At least according to Dobson and likeminded vermin.

More to laugh at from the 100% Jesus-Free right!!!!

Guns for God.

its Grrrreat.

why couldn't they leave it blank Nanc.

thought you might not like weapons of death to be inscribed with the words of love, but apparently your faith is full of shit.

why don't christians just paint every jesus red and stick a horn and tail and a pitchfork on him? at least they would be honest about who's controlling the justification for their world crusade against the "non-believers"...

Mine says infidel right under the cross hair.

its Grrrreat

Guns and god are a part of this "fair and balanced" breakfast... brought to you by Faux News.

As most of us who have served know, from basic thru combat training, brainwashing and propaganda techniques are utilized generously in order to make killers out of American sons and daughters.

Only when they actually experience the horrors and atrocities of war, do some realize they've been duped and many times it is then too late.

And God forbid (according to the chickenhawk wingnuts) if they survive and come back and speak truth about what they've seen and done.

Still, as always: Honor the warriors, not the war

Somebody said let's go out and fight for liberty and so they went and got killed without ever once thinking about liberty. And what kind of liberty were they fighting for anyway? How much liberty and whose idea of liberty? Were they fighting for the liberty of eating free ice cream cones all their lives or for the liberty of robbing anybody they pleased whenever they wanted to or what? You tell a man he can't rob and you take away some of his liberty. You've got to. What the hell does liberty mean anyhow? It's just a word like house or table or any other word. Only it's a special kind of word. A guy says house and he can point to a house to prove it. But a guy says come on let's fight for liberty and he can't show you liberty. He can't prove the thing he's talking about so how in the hell can he be telling you to fight for it?

Johnny Got His Gun

If there was a Real Christian Base in the country ---- they would come down real hard on this type of shenanigans.

#5 | POSTED BY REDNECKVILLE AT 2010-01-18 12:26 PM

Actually, many churches, not affiliated with the right wing evangelical, fundamentalist, tv millionaire preachers, do in fact decry unnecessary wars/invasions/occupations, but that isn't newsworthy to the right wing, corporate owned media in the US. You have to be part of them or dig to find out about it.

from google search....

Christian Leaders to Bush: Reconsider Plans to Invade Iraq
ELCA Bishop Mark Hanson issues statement against U.S. attack on Iraq. ... governments that cooperate with the U.S. An invasion of, or intensified military action against, Iraq will ... Executive Board, Mennonite Church USA Dr. William J. Shaw President ... General Board of Church and Society United Methodist Church ...
www.ncccusa.org/news/
02news83.html

[PDF] Letter from MC USA to President Bush
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
As leaders and members of Mennonite Church USA we express our opposition to the ... invasion of Iraq by the U.S. military. We believe that war will not sow ... 1990, the United States condemned Iraq for its aggression against Kuwait. ...
peace.mennolink.org/resources/
iraq5000/schragletter.pdf -

FOXNews.com - Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity ...
Nov 10, 2005 ... "complicity" in the "unjust and immoral" invasion and occupation of Iraq. ... President Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, ... Although United Methodist leadership has opposed the Iraq war in the past, ... Bombs in Iraq Getting More Sophisticated Jordanians Protest Against Al ...
www.foxnews.com

Mennonite Peacemakers Home Page
Link to Peace and Justice Support Network of Mennonite Church USA ... the General Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church and worked .... Prayer of Protest on the 4th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq March 18, 2007 ...
mennos.peacemaking.us/

Sweet Victory: United Methodist Church Calls For Withdrawal
Nov 1, 2005 ... Last week, the United Methodist Church Board of Church and ... we raise our voice in protest against the tragedy of the unjust war in Iraq," ...
www.commondreams.org/views05/
1101-27.htm -

etc, etc

"Jesus don't like killin', no matter what th' reason's for..."

-John Prine

God, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have any problem with it.

#4 | Posted by Dave at 2010-01-18 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

For those who don't know and love John Prine, here's the whole song:

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
by John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."

Mine says infidel right under the cross hair.

#5 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-01-18 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, you're shooting at infidels? I guess I better be careful wearing this:

i738.photobucket.com

Giving Jihadists more ammunition to claim America is waging a religious war. Apparently the mentally ill people at this company want it to be. They should not be allowed to have anything to do with producing our weapons.

#7 | Posted by danni

How do you like to say it? Riight.....Like they need an excuse. They hate all of us, none of what you say or do will change that. But you can pretend it does. They must love hollywood and democrats then right>

Always found that thinking amusing...

ok to drop a bomb on them with the expectation of utterly destroying aything within a certain radius, but its bad to inscribe something on them that may offend?

Totally fucked up twisted logic...akin to it being ok to show blood and gore and killing, but heaven forbid if you show a nice pair of titties, or, my favorite, Blazing Saddles, its ok to call the sheriff a nigger as well as the leading up to hanging him because he's black, but heaven forbid that they leave the scene where they're eating beans and farting around the campfire.

utterly fucking retarded.

Loh

I just read a good book on the battle of the bulge and the end of WWII. The company is right, these saying have been part of war for at least half a century.

Maybe danni would permit ALLAH AKBAR to show them we don't want to provoke any anti muslim feelings!

WOW! Wonder why they couldn't fit the Communist Manifesto somewhere on the weapons - you know - to keep the left happy?!?

WOW! Wonder why nanc can't comment on the irony/hypocrisy of Bible verses on a rifle scope instead of taking a cheap, stupid political shot.

The article also states:

"the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them. Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian." The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash."

Ok granted there is a bit of warped logic in putting bible verses on gun sights that I can't say I agree with.

That said if this company has always done it and the military bid the contracts I assume they saw the sights and could have seen the inscriptions. The company didn't do anything wrong the procurement agents did. They should have asked to have them removed before the company could win the contract.

object to these sights being made by a Michigan company. The contract should instead be awarded to a right-to-work state.

#3 | Posted by rightisright

Wow, it takes my state to hang tough---they've been doing this stuff for over 60 years--I guess the PC crowd hasn't caught up to this yet. GO BLUE and GREEN

"...So? Bible verses are typed to the bottom of In-N-Out Burger cups....#13 | Posted by letusprey"

Paper Cups don't kill people, People kill people.

"...They must love hollywood and democrats then right...#24 | Posted by DavetheWave"

You throw that sentance around like it actually mean something, you fluffer-nutter brainwashed Moron.

the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them

According to the loons that put them there.

Munson said the issue was being raised by a group that is "not Christian."

So what?

Great. Now we have our own radical religionists on all sides!

Inscribe something more useful like, "Trust in God, but keep your ammo dry."

Grow up, idiots. "Oh my Gaia! The part number on this rifle barrel is J316! They are forcing me to become a Christian!"

It's a part number, not a religious tract.

It's a part number, not a religious statement.

It's a part number, not a sentence.

It's a part number, not a word.

In other words, to the general public, it's nothing except an excuse for the religion of atheism to try to rally up the intimidation squad. It's a part number.

If this is indeed true, this company's management is clueless at best. So what if military personnel from time immemorial has inscribed religious texts or symbols of their weapons, its still wrong.

Giving Jihadists more ammunition to claim America is waging a religious war . . . mentally ill people at this company want it to be. They should not be allowed to have anything to do with producing our weapons.

#7 | Posted by danni

yo danni - - they are prolly hiring . . . however;

a) it's cold & snows in Michigan

b) it's doubtful ya could surf the net "on the clock" all day as ya currently do

So, you're shooting at infidels? I guess I better be careful wearing this:

Pair that with a shemagh keffiyeh and you're golden.

If you really give a shit about whether or not your enemies are upset about what is written on the guns you're trying to kill them with you've lost.

"If you really give a shit about whether or not your enemies are upset about what is written on the guns you're trying to kill them with you've lost"

when you fight offensive wars under the idiotic pretext of freeing the same people you have in the past helped to oppress, and are presently killing indiscriminatly, you've lost.

...and that's why america will never win another war.

I can't believe so many people are speaking up in defense of this. Engraving religious propaganda on military equipment sends the message that we're fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for Christianity and against Muslims. It also tells non-Christian soldiers they are don't belong in our military.

Making matters worse, they did this without the knowledge of the Army and Marines. And some of these sights are being used by Iraqi soldiers. That will really help us with them -- they've been using Jesus rifles.

It's a ridiculous stunt by a company that, one hopes, will soon be a former military supplier. Those idiots jeopardized a $660 million government contract!

Engraving religious propaganda on military equipment sends the message that we're fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for Christianity and against Muslims.

Some people like that message. Namely, terrorists and Christian nutcases.

#35 | Posted by Dinsey at 2010-01-18 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag: Idiot

"Trijicon "has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps"

$825 each?! That's got to be pretty bottom of the line military optics, no? The Biblical codes are probably hidden under the Wal*Mart sticker.

I object to these sights being made by a Michigan company. The contract should instead be awarded to a right-to-work state.

#3 | Posted by rightisright

Send the contract to a NC company. I guarantee that the christ stamp of approval will be lost and the effectiveness will remain the same..

W. did call it a "crusade"

count on the tighties to fuck it up.

Hey, it don't mean nuttin' unless you know the code!

Wink, wink.

You, betcha!

"They hate all of us, none of what you say or do will change that."

Fine, then let's be done with this nationbuilding crap started by GWB. Personally, I always thought our efforts should be in our own hemisphere and that we have no business even being in the ME.
Low and behold, now they discover huge oil reserves off of Brazil. Golly gee whiz, ain't we the dumb ass country courting all them Muslims who hate our guts and kill our soldiers. Perhaps Cheney got it completely wrong. Won't matter though cuz the nonthinking crowd of DR posters will still kiss his ass every chance the get unless they are the more evolved who pretend they didn't kiss that ass a couple years ago.

thou shalt not kill...

Can we kill greedfuck pigs at the trough?

Hell, if where going to get picky, the sight even has a CROSS in it...as in cross-hairs.

Seems like a non-issue....but if it violates the contract, then they should be removed.

2COR4:6

ooooooooooooooo .......... scary

Hell, if where going to get picky, the sight even has a CROSS in it...as in cross-hairs.
Seems like a non-issue....but if it violates the contract, then they should be removed.
#49 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-18 11:40 PM

You should have chosen a more appropriate handle, like OBLIVIOUS2REALITY.

Sick! How sick and insulting to God!

2COR4:6
ooooooooooooooo .......... scary
#9 | Posted by vernon at 2010-01-19 12:03 AM

Fundamentalism is a plague, the military industrial complex is the carrier.

Biblical References Inscribed on Military Weapons

Lock and load for the Lord.

That'a a new one.

That'a = That's

Hell, if where going to get picky, the sight even has a CROSS in it...as in cross-hairs.
Seems like a non-issue....but if it violates the contract, then they should be removed.
#49 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-18 11:40 PM

You should have chosen a more appropriate handle, like OBLIVIOUS2REALITY.

#50 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-19 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oblivious? How so?

Like I clearly stated, if it violates the contract, they should be removed. What's so ridiculous to you about that?

C'mon genius, tell me how my reality is blurred by that statement. This should be good.

Wot Would Republican Jesus Do?

J316?

*facepalm*

I definitely see how the groups we are fighting could use this in claiming that US occupation of regions in the middle east is a religious crusade.

Agreed.

Now obviously it's easier to persuade someone with a belief in an afterlife into risking their own life in a war. So there are bound to be more religious persons in a military unit than not as a rule. There is also a disquieting number of hardcore evangelistas in the American military who make it very difficult for atheists/agnostics to make it up through the ranks. Spud has posted threads in the past about the dangerous alliance between end times believing religitards and the military in the US. How a belief in the End of Days has affected US/Israeli policy to the detriment of the US. This latest stunt to emerge while seemingly insignificant to some is just more icing on the FAILcake.

Now praise the FSM and pass the ammo, k?

Be Well.

The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.

Ironically the plane went down in foggy weather. Apparently the pilot couldn't where he was going.

God delivers justice in mysterious ways.

thou shalt not kill...

#55 | Posted by Shawn at 2010-01-18 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thou shalt not murder," is the accurate translation, you imbecile.

That'a = That's

#63 | Posted by CalifChris at 2010-01-19 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Damn, Chris, seems like every time you post, you have to follow it with a correction.

Either double check your writing or stop correcting yourself. Even when you make a misteak, everyone knows what you meant

While going about my business today (making large sums of money exploiting other people) I was reminded of something from my childhood.

I once had an uncle who was a molder and die maker in a foundry.

Sometimes he would spend almost a year making a single stamping die (the thing that turns sheet metal into useful things, like refrigerators and furniture).

At the end of his work he would etch some obscure Masonic symbol onto his work.

When you drove your '74 Chevy or heated a can of chicken noodle soup on your Philco stove, did that Masonic scratch affect you?

67

No it doesn't, it clearly says thou shalt not kill.

Exd 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

By the way, how do you reconcile calling someone an imbecile with your belief in the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth? Do as you say, not as you do, eh? Yeah, that's gonna work.

Just sayin'

As I scurried through the dirty alleways that race off in twenty-seven different directions from behind my hooch, ploughing mindlessly through piles of bat, rat, and pot bellied pig guano, shit, and byproduct, burping up fumes from the Valvoline and fermented coconut milk liquer that bubbles away in the plastic small animal trough beside the towering compost heap, I couldn't help but think of my rotund Aunt Petunia who read people's fortunes in a dark tent at the carnival -- she called it "La Carnivale" -- listening to Tiny Tim recordings in the nude while balancing a mackerel on her proboscis, licking a melted scrap of Abba Zaba from her digitis minimus -- or, to use the technical term, "pinkie" -- and whistling the "Ode to Joy" through her whatchamacallit. I don't know why I thought of Aunt Petunia but, as with all facets of my life, I knew you'd want to know.
~Vermin

Clueless ABC calls it a "Secret Bible Code"

Clueless ABC calls it a "Secret Bible Code"

#72 | Posted by KBM

Damn, I lost my decoder ring.

Not that this should matter to anyone anyway religious or not. I mean, it's up to us to choose to give meaning to these "codes". Besides,some people prefer Pepsi over Coke to the degree that they won't participate in events sponsored by the other. That's just their thing. I personally don't agree w/ referencing Christian scripture on tools designed to kill people, but I think we're talking Constitutionality vs PC here.

"It allows the Mujahedeen, the Taliban, al Qaeda and the insurrectionists and jihadists to claim they're being shot by Jesus rifles," he said.

Jesus rifles? Are you kidding? Sights are not firearms. An accessory to, perhaps, but that's all you're getting.
If the radicals are so worried about what the guy shooting is "throwing" at them, maybe they should fight someone else. Oh wait, that's the reason they're compelled to kill us in the first place we already don't believe the same and they're gonna' shoot at us!

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

That's a bit ridiculous isn't it?. These Islamic extremists feel anyone not dedicated to their fringe beliefs as "Religious Crusaders" against the cause. Whether or not the sights have Christian scripture references on them, they're gonna' shoot at us infidels anyway in the name of jihad. But no, we wouldn't want to further offend them now would we?
But, established rules are established rules and it seems that at least one has been broken just not necessarily a Constitutional one.

What is unconstitutional is the negation of the second part of: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof How convenient of you to "forget" its prevention to exercise religion is the illegal part... regardless of what that religion may be. The markings on the sights are the source of a private company's design. Just because the Military is purchasing them doesn't establish a Government religion. One could argue that just like a piece of modern art, its meaning is left up to personal interpretation. How many federal grants were given to artist to erect steel structures on public land? Did this mean the government established a belief around the artist's meaning of the work?

"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." George W. Bush

#70 Woke> No it doesn't, it clearly says thou shalt not kill.

Older English translations of the Old Testament almost universally use "kill" whereas many newer English translations use "murder". Here is a link that goes into much more detail on the meaning, and possible uses, of the Hebrew word ratsach.

www.tektonics.org

It's not like they're employing the Puckle gun here... now that is a bit twisted. I think we can all agree that 'ol Jim lost the concept of what it means to be a Christian somewhere along the way.

76

Thanks.
I won't bother arguing about revisionism of the scriptures, tho I don't see any revisionism about stealing. Thou shalt not steal.....unless thou art hungry? Right? Murder is certainly left up to interpretation, killing, is not.

Regardless, the idea of scriptures of the "prince of peace" being imprinted on utensils meant to kill or murder are outrageous imo and play right into the hands of those who have attacked us, giving their reasoning credence and helping them to recruit others to their cause, as did invading/occupying a country that did not attack us also did.

Becoming more like our enemies is no victory, imo.

"Thou shalt not murder," is the accurate translation, you imbecile.

---------

that is a state bastardization fucktard.

A Puckle gun is reflective of proselytism. Not having scripture references on a sight. These seem to be inspiring scriptures... like "May the force be with you." before one takes on the the Death Star, or "Gesundheit", after a sneeze.

"thou shalt not kill...
#55 | Posted by Shawn at 2010-01-18 11:00 PM"

"Thou shalt not murder," is the accurate translation, you imbecile.
#67 | Posted by vernon at 2010-01-19 10:19 AM

Homage to you, Great God, the Lord of the double Ma'at (Truth)!
I have come to you, my Lord,
I have brought myself here to behold your beauties.
I know you, and I know your name,
And I know the names of the two and forty gods,
Who live with you in the Hall of the Two Truths,
Who imprison the sinners, and feed upon their blood,
On the day when the lives of men are judged in the presence of Osiris.
In truth, you are "The Twin Sisters with Two Eyes," and "The Daughters of the Two Truths."
In truth, I now come to you, and I have brought Maat to you,
And I have destroyed wickedness for you.
I have committed no evil upon men.
I have not oppressed the members of my family.
I have not wrought evil in the place of right and truth.
I have had no knowledge of useless men.
I have brought about no evil.
I did not rise in the morning and expect more than was due to me.
I have not brought my name forward to be praised.
I have not oppressed servants.
I have not scorned any god.
I have not defrauded the poor of their property.
I have not done what the gods abominate.
I have not cause harm to be done to a servant by his master.
I have not caused pain.
I have caused no man to hunger.
I have made no one weep.
I have not killed.
I have not given the order to kill.
I have not inflicted pain on anyone.
I have not stolen the drink left for the gods in the temples.
I have not stolen the cakes left for the gods in the temples.
I have not stolen the cakes left for the dead in the temples.
I have not fornicated.
I have not polluted myself.
I have not diminished the bushel when I've sold it.
I have not added to or stolen land.
I have not encroached on the land of others.
I have not added weights to the scales to cheat buyers.
I have not misread the scales to cheat buyers.
I have not stolen milk from the mouths of children.
I have not driven cattle from their pastures.
I have not captured the birds of the preserves of the gods.
I have not caught fish with bait made of like fish.
I have not held back the water when it should flow.
I have not diverted the running water in a canal.
I have not put out a fire when it should burn.
I have not violated the times when meat should be offered to the gods.
I have not driven off the cattle from the property of the gods.
I have not stopped a god in his procession through the temple, 4
I am pure.
I am pure.
I am pure.
I am pure.
My purity is the purity the great Bennu (heron) in Heracleopolis. 5
Behold, I am the nose of the God of Breath, 6 who gives life to the people,
On the day of completing the Eye of Ra 7 in Heliopolis, 8
On the last day of the second month of winter,
In the presence of the pharaoh of this land.
I have seen the the Eye of Horus when it was full in Heliopolis!
Therefore, let no evil befall me in this land
In this Hall of the Two Truths,
Because I know the names of all the gods within it,
And all the followers of the great God.

#81 | Posted by redlightrobot

I think you've got the wrong book there chief. ...or is that what you want decorated on your weapon?

"Hell, if where going to get picky, the sight even has a CROSS in it...as in cross-hairs.
Seems like a non-issue....but if it violates the contract, then they should be removed.
#49 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-18 11:40 PM

You should have chosen a more appropriate handle, like OBLIVIOUS2REALITY.
#50 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-19 12:09 AM"

Oblivious? How so?
Like I clearly stated, if it violates the contract, they should be removed. What's so ridiculous to you about that?
C'mon genius, tell me how my reality is blurred by that statement. This should be good.
#64 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-19 04:55 AM

If you had the slightest true comprehension of "common sense" the idea of fundamentalist literature references on military weapons might be found offensive. Otherwise, the fact that reticle use "cross" hairs might give you a clue - it should obviously be a "star of David" since we're in these resource wars to horde oil in Israel. Are you anti-Semetic!? Now, go murder for Zion!

But seriously, as many people have already more eloquently posted this is in violation of military law as well as "common sense", thus the borderline unfriendly jab. Sorry to have offended you directly.

I was planning on writing you an untrue history about how the original scopes used the star of David, were supplanted by the crucifix, and then whittled down into just a cross, but maybe next time I'll compose you lyrics for your decoder ring.

Wow, and that came off offensive. I need coffee.

is that what you want decorated on your weapon

How 'bout, "And so it shall come to pass on the day of Ragnarok that Thor will led forth hordes of the fallen from the Halls of Valhalla. Drenched in the blood of skraelings, Gods and Men shall charge from the burning ruins of Asgard into glorious combat with the great serpent Jormungandr and toward the world's ending!"

#81 | Posted by redlightrobot

I think you've got the wrong book there chief. ...or is that what you want decorated on your weapon?
#82 | Posted by R0B0T at 2010-01-19 01:57 PM

Not really. The Ibrahimic traditions all stem from Egyptian religion. The immaculate conception, teaching, treachery, crucifixion, resurrection, etc. are all memes. The movie Zeitgeist explains that in detail.

I would want "So Come Now Children of the Beast, Be Strong, and Shout at the Devil" on my weapon. That or "A righteous man would call me sinner; a sinner would call me righteous"

"is that what you want decorated on your weapon"

How 'bout, "And so it shall come to pass on the day of Ragnarok that Thor will led forth hordes of the fallen from the Halls of Valhalla. Drenched in the blood of skraelings, Gods and Men shall charge from the burning ruins of Asgard into glorious combat with the great serpent Jormungandr and toward the world's ending!"
#85 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-19 02:13 PM

"You are fated to slay each other."

How about:

Beware my friends
As you pass by
As you are now
So once was I
As I am now
So you shall be
Prepare my friends
To follow me

I would want "So Come Now Children of the Beast, Be Strong, and Shout at the Devil" on my weapon.

That sounds pretty badass.

This is what should be inscribed on all our military firearms:

www.migunowners.org

The original bad ass:

Judges:15

Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

16 Then Samson said,

"With a donkey's jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey's jawbone
I have killed a thousand men."

If you had the slightest true comprehension of "common sense" the idea of fundamentalist literature references on military weapons might be found offensive. Otherwise, the fact that reticle use "cross" hairs might give you a clue - it should obviously be a "star of David" since we're in these resource wars to horde oil in Israel. Are you anti-Semetic!? Now, go murder for Zion!

But seriously, as many people have already more eloquently posted this is in violation of military law as well as "common sense", thus the borderline unfriendly jab. Sorry to have offended you directly.

I was planning on writing you an untrue history about how the original scopes used the star of David, were supplanted by the crucifix, and then whittled down into just a cross, but maybe next time I'll compose you lyrics for your decoder ring.

#83 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-19 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought most people would have seen the 'CROSS hairs' comment as the obvious joke that it was. Guess not.

The movie Zeitgeist explains that in detail.
#86 | Posted by redlightrobot

Now that explains it all right... at least in bringing to light where you're get off. You buy into that Venus Project crap too?

You buy into that Venus Project crap too?

Chances are if you ask Redlightrobot, "You buy into that (insert crackpot fantasy derived from X-files episode here) crap too?" the answer will be yes. He gives robots a bad name. You should see if he needs a firmware upgrade.

92

Remind me, was Samson a Christian?

Did he preach: Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

??

He gives robots a bad name. You should see if he needs a firmware upgrade.

#95 | Posted by ZombieHunter


I just assume the "red light" is a blinking system failure indicator. :-D

WOKE: Samson's from the Old Testament... before Christ ...and therefore could not have been a Christian.

Only when they actually experience the horrors and atrocities of war, do some realize they've been duped and many times it is then too late. -Woke

Then those "some" you speak of are some dumb mother fuckers. If you don't know what you are getting into when you join the military today, with TV and the internet and world wide communications, then you deserve to get your ass blown up. Woke wants us to believe that some people just don't have a clue that they might get shot at after joining the military. That may have been the case in your day, Woke, but not in this century.

It also tells non-Christian soldiers they are don't belong in our military. -Rcade

No it does not say that. I hardly think that an atheist is going to feel left out because his scope has a religious saying on it. It will in no way serve to make non-religious soldiers feel like they don't belong. That's just stupid. Seriously.

Ironically the plane went down in foggy weather. Apparently the pilot couldn't where he was going.

God delivers justice in mysterious ways.

#66 | Posted by RingMaster

So, you're saying that this guy deserved to die for starting the practice of putting religious sayings or symbols on weapons? Talk about a warped view on things.

He gives robots a bad name. You should see if he needs a firmware upgrade.
#95 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I just assume the "red light" is a blinking system failure indicator. :-D
#97 | Posted by R0B0T

Just one more:
HAL-9000 had that red light "eye"... and man, did he have some issues. ...and in 2010, it was said his malfunction was the result of being lied to. Sand back people!

98

Duh! My point exactly.

99

Duh, again. Everlong thinks the worst that can happen to you is for you to get shot.

Tell us all you know about it Everlong.

You must have some firsthand experience to shoot your mouth off, eh?

You believe tv/media shows what war is truly like?

Hardly. Since VN, it isn't even shown on tv is it?

Apparently, you think playing videogames is like the real thing.

Or the internet gives you an idea of what it is like to be IN a war zone 24/7???

And you think anyone who joins up is a "dumb motherfucker" eh?

Join up or stfu about things you know little about.

Sorry for being so harsh.
My apologies.
However, anyone who has served knows that brainwashing and propaganda is what is used to ready our sons and daughters to be killers. TV, movies, videogames and the internet are all used to assist that brainwashing/propaganda, imo. And until one actually experiences killing/maiming others, others being killed/maimed around you, seeing what a society becomes that is decimated by war (children prostitutes and thieves to survive, eating from dumpsters if at all, lack of food, water, facilities, schools hospitals, doctors,......all kinds of inhumanity), one cannot know the true horrors and atrocities of war.
When one does experience it, the difference between the propaganda and reality becomes obvious. And the PTSD that affects a huge percentage of our returning vets, including the unbelieveable rates of dissertion and suicide doesn't make them "dumb motherfuckers", but victims also.

What an idiotic thing to do, especially when it violates the contract, not to mention the spirit of America.

I hope they have to replace them all with non-versed ones and pay a penalty.

If someone wants to inscribe or have inscribed something on their personal weapon, fine. But putting "God on guns" really crosses the line for me.

Duh, again. Everlong thinks the worst that can happen to you is for you to get shot.

Tell us all you know about it Everlong.

You must have some firsthand experience to shoot your mouth off, eh?

You believe tv/media shows what war is truly like?

Hardly. Since VN, it isn't even shown on tv is it?

Apparently, you think playing videogames is like the real thing.

Or the internet gives you an idea of what it is like to be IN a war zone 24/7???-Woke

Actually, Woke, I don't have the slightest dispersions about war. I may have never experienced the utter brutality and devastation of it, but that in no way means that I don't understand what can go on on a battlefield. And yes you can gain that type of perspective if you have watched as much on war and the military as I have. I don't assume to know exactly what it is like but I have a damn good idea and I know it isn't pretty or glamorous.

It's dickheads like you who think that unless you've served you have no right to speak on anything concerning war. Well, that's just bullshit. As long as I don't pretend that I've been there and have had first hand experience, I'm free to say whatever I please about war.

And if you don't think that people can't get a good enough idea about war through the programs of today then you are an idiot. If you watch uncensored and raw footage of WWII and you still think you'd like to be in a war then you are a fucking idiot. Just like you are an idiot for thinking there's no way to garner some idea of what goes on on a battlefield through movies and special programming of today.

Like I said, I don't pretend that I've ever been there but I also know that I never want to be there either. And fuck you for being one of those high on the horse vets who believe that, unless you've been in combat you can't say a fucking thing about a war. Climb down of that horse and quit being such a high and mighty asshole.

It's dickheads like you........
#106 | POSTED BY EVERLONG AT 2010-01-19 06:35 PM

1. I have NEVER said people cannot express their opinions about anything for any reason, including being in a war zone or not.
But I do believe those who have experienced it know just a little bit more and might have a more informed opinion, no? Oh, ok....next time you need a root canal, just go to someone who has watched some tv, movies, internet and played video games rather than an endodontist.

I responded to YOUR "high horse" pov, that boys and girls who join up already know what they are getting into before experiencing it. And that brainwashing/propaganda has nothing to do with shows who's the real dickhead in this discussion.

But now you say you don't pretend to have been there.....which is it buddy.....??You think you can tell those returning vets, "Oh, well, you knew what you were getting into.....??

Go to a VA hospital and do that buddy. Or a clinic with a PTSD support group. Just tell em...."hey, you knew what you signed up for right"?

2. NEW YORK, Nov. 13, 2007
Suicide Epidemic Among Veterans
A CBS News Investigation Uncovers A Suicide Rate For Veterans Twice That Of Other Americans

Four months later, they sent CBS News a document, showing that between 1995 and 2007, there were almost 2,200 suicides. That's 188 last year alone. But these numbers included only "active duty" soldiers.

www.cbsnews.com

Hey family members, Everlong wants you to know that your son knew what he was getting into......so don't complain.

3. High Rate of PTSD in Returning Iraq War Veterans
Bob Roehr

November 6, 2007 (Washington, DC) -- Estimates of the rate of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among veterans returning from Iraq range from 12% to 20%. With deployment topping 1.5 million this summer, and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) having treated more than 52,000 persons, the greatest effect of those mental health issues has yet to be experienced. These problems and interventions were presented here at the American Public Health Association 135th Annual Meeting.

Evan Kanter, MD, PhD, staff psychiatrist in the PTSD Outpatient Clinic of the VA Puget Sound Health Care System, said that estimates are for a minimum of 300,000 psychiatric casualties from service in Iraq, to this point, with an estimated lifetime cost of treatment of $660 billion. That is more than the actual cost of the war to date ($500 billion).

"A study of the first 100,000 [Iraq and Afghanistan] veterans seen at VA facilities showed that 25% of them received mental health diagnoses. Of these, 56% had 2 or more mental health diagnoses. The most common were PTSD, substance abuse, and depression," Dr. Kanter said. "The younger the veterans are, the more likely they are to have mental health conditions."

Evaluation immediately on return from deployment suggested that 5% of active duty and 6% of reserve personnel had a significant mental health problem. When reassessed 3 to 6 months later, 27% of active duty and 42% of reserve personnel received that evaluation.

www.medscape.com

Sorry boys and girls, Everlong says you knew what you were getting into so suck it up and quit whining.

4. High Rate of Brain Injury In Returning Iraq War Veterans

It has been reported that upwards of 60% of returning Iraq war veterans suffer from some type of traumatic brain injury. Half of the returning veterans suffer the effects of mild tbi with the remainder suffering from both moderate and severe brain injury. The brain injuries include concussion, penetrating brain injury, skull fractures and coma.

braininjury.blogs.com

Sorry guys, Everlong says you should have known what you were in for when you signed up.....same with you guys trying to learn to walk again by using prothetics or trying to learn to tie your shoes with that new arm.

5. Posted 3/7/2006 12:00 AM Updated 3/6/2006 11:19 PM

8,000 desert during Iraq war
By Bill Nichols, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON At least 8,000 members of the all-volunteer U.S. military have deserted since the Iraq war began, Pentagon records show, although the overall desertion rate has plunged since the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.
Since fall 2003, 4,387 Army soldiers, 3,454 Navy sailors and 82 Air Force personnel have deserted. The Marine Corps does not track the number of desertions each year but listed 1,455 Marines in desertion status last September, the end of fiscal 2005

www.usatoday.com

Gee, I wonder why the big increase in all these war vets deserting? Didn't they KNOW what they signed up for before they went to iraqnam??

Wise up some, will ya Everlong?

"#83 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-19 02:10 PM"
I thought most people would have seen the 'CROSS hairs' comment as the obvious joke that it was. Guess not.
#93 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-19 03:50 PM

Hey, the fact that you are right about actual "legal" protection for this type of "speech" made it seem like an absurd Phelpsian reality! I then came to my senses.

"The movie Zeitgeist explains that in detail.
#86 | Posted by redlightrobot"
Now that explains it all right... at least in bringing to light where you're get off. You buy into that Venus Project crap too?
#94 | Posted by R0B0T at 2010-01-19 04:00 PM"

Don't knock it until you've seen it. Have I ever steered you wrong? I have no idea what Venus Project is, but I'm skeptical of everything and everyone NASA.

"You buy into that Venus Project crap too?"
Chances are if you ask Redlightrobot, "You buy into that (insert crackpot fantasy derived from X-files episode here) crap too?" the answer will be yes. He gives robots a bad name. You should see if he needs a firmware upgrade.
#95 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-19 04:14 PM

I've never gotten into the X-Files or watch television unless it's on Hulu. I did watch all of the Gay, Straight or Taken yesterday. My guess is that you're the straight and available one.. for various reasons. Wait, are you "offering" to update my firmware? Wouldn't that make you the gay one or the straight one with curious libido? Don't lead me on, dude.:]

Wait, are you "offering" to update my firmware? Wouldn't that make you the gay one or the straight one with curious libido? Don't lead me on, dude.:],

Oh, you must be one of those robots...

"The movie Zeitgeist explains that in detail.
#86 | Posted by redlightrobot"

Now that explains it all right... at least in bringing to light where you're get off. You buy into that Venus Project crap too?
#94 | Posted by R0B0T at 2010-01-19 04:00 PM"


Don't knock it until you've seen it. Have I ever steered you wrong? I have no idea what Venus Project is, but I'm skeptical of everything and everyone NASA.
#109 | Posted by redlightrobot

I've seen their movies, and have no problem knocking large chunks of their pieced together, half-truthed, conglomerations of conspiracy to promote their neo-communist agendas. Oh, you'd love the Venus Project... right up your far-fetched alley... and as an added bonus, Zeitgeist is a sect of that same activist movement.
P.S. You've never steered me bud.

"Wait, are you "offering" to update my firmware? Wouldn't that make you the gay one or the straight one with curious libido? Don't lead me on, dude.:]"

Oh, you must be one of those robots...
#110 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-19 09:52 PM

Honey, you couldn't handle this port access.

"Honey, you couldn't handle this port access."
#112 | Posted by redlightrobot

Port access? what is that supposed to mean... hole? I don't get it.
Seriously man, do you you have to resort to using a political comment site to play your little "talk dirty to me" games? I thought there'd be a club you can go to or a friend you could call for that.

Honey, you couldn't handle this port access.

Oh, you must have a 21 pin input/output...

a friend you could call for that.

Such "friends" probably charge more by the minute than he makes in an hour.

I thought most people would have seen the 'CROSS hairs' comment as the obvious joke that it was. Guess not.
#93 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-19 03:50 PM

Hey, the fact that you are right about actual "legal" protection for this type of "speech" made it seem like an absurd Phelpsian reality! I then came to my senses.

#109 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-19 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you drinking as you read this thread? Seriously....you keep accusing me of stuff I haven't said.

I NEVER said anything about legal protections of speech in regards to symbols being put on weaponry.

I made a joke about a Cross being in the sight in the form of Crosshairs and then I said if it violates the contract (which it does) then remove it.

Nothing more.

Wow. 116 comments so far.

Seriously folks.

Is this really that big a deal?

"The movie Zeitgeist explains that in detail.
#86 | Posted by redlightrobot
Now that explains it all right... at least in bringing to light where you're get off. You buy into that Venus Project crap too?
#94 | Posted by R0B0T at 2010-01-19 04:00 PM
Don't knock it until you've seen it. Have I ever steered you wrong? I have no idea what Venus Project is, but I'm skeptical of everything and everyone NASA.
#109 | Posted by redlightrobot"

I've seen their movies, and have no problem knocking large chunks of their pieced together, half-truthed, conglomerations of conspiracy to promote their neo-communist agendas. Oh, you'd love the Venus Project... right up your far-fetched alley... and as an added bonus, Zeitgeist is a sect of that same activist movement.
P.S. You've never steered me bud.

#111 | Posted by R0B0T at 2010-01-19 10:31 PM

Of course I haven't, and you have absolutely nothing to lose - other than the misconception that the big three are "original" or that they are not extrapolations of an ancient Egyptian religion. "sect" - interesting parse. I'm curious to see any good rebuttal - so bring it pal. What makes you "believe" Christianity isn't a meme of Judaism? Also, why is it acceptable to encrypt their scripture onto weapons? Are you interested in why fundamentalists are involved in military industry, particularly arms-dealing?

Gimmie a link or video to that Zeitgeist correction.

Honey, you couldn't handle this port access.

Oh, you must have a 21 pin input/output...
#114 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-19 11:42 PM

Capillary dilation or the so-called blush response fluctuation of the pupil, involuntary dilation of the iris....

We Call It Voight-Kampff For Short...

I thought most people would have seen the 'CROSS hairs' comment as the obvious joke that it was. Guess not.
#93 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-19 03:50 PM
Hey, the fact that you are right about actual "legal" protection for this type of "speech" made it seem like an absurd Phelpsian reality! I then came to my senses.
#109 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-19 09:47 PM"

Are you drinking as you read this thread? Seriously....you keep accusing me of stuff I haven't said.
I NEVER said anything about legal protections of speech in regards to symbols being put on weaponry.
I made a joke about a Cross being in the sight in the form of Crosshairs and then I said if it violates the contract (which it does) then remove it.
Nothing more.
#116 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2010-01-20 12:45 AM

Nothing says "legal definition of contractual obligations" like our bloody fundamentalist military contractors who are encoding religious symbology. "I'm simply extrapolating the logical conclusion to your statement", quoth the robot.

We Call It Voight-Kampff For Short...
#120 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2010-01-20 03:28 AM

I'm certain a systemic tolmere reintegration would have been possible, allowing them to age far beyond any human in the story. Plus, it's silly not to equip them with common networkability - they should have been "hackable".

"a friend you could call for that."

Such "friends" probably charge more by the minute than he makes in an hour.
#115 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-19 11:43 PM

Undoubtedly true. You're banking records are proof.:]

"We Call It Voight-Kampff For Short...
#120 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2010-01-20 03:28 AM"

I'm certain a systemic tolmere reintegration would have been possible, allowing them to age far beyond any human in the story. Plus, it's silly not to equip them with common networkability - they should have been "hackable".
#122 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2010-01-20 03:35 AM

And why no "hounds" to chase them? It could have been a little more The Fugitive - and imagine the dangers of Blade Runner outhouses and hen houses!

I responded to YOUR "high horse" pov, that boys and girls who join up already know what they are getting into before experiencing it. And that brainwashing/propaganda has nothing to do with shows who's the real dickhead in this discussion.

But now you say you don't pretend to have been there.....which is it buddy.....??You think you can tell those returning vets, "Oh, well, you knew what you were getting into.....??

Go to a VA hospital and do that buddy. Or a clinic with a PTSD support group. Just tell em...."hey, you knew what you signed up for right"?-Woke

I never said that a certain type of brainwashing doesn't take place. I only said that in today's world you should have no problem having a pretty damn good idea what you are getting into. Come on, Woke. We have seen IED's explode under humvees and right beside soldiers on TV. If a person joins up today and expects not to be in combat then they are stupid SOB's.

And I would never disrespect a wounded soldier by saying something so sarcastic to them. However, even the badly maimed knew going in that they had a chance of dying or being disfigured. They had to have known it. If not, like I said, then they are seriously stupid people.

Don't try to twist my words by the way, which is what you did when you said I should tell that to wounded vets. You know exactly what I was talking about.

And you may say that you believe everyone is free to express their opinions on war, but that doesn't mean that you deem them to be credible, which they can be and are quite often.

Sorry boys and girls, Everlong says you knew what you were getting into so suck it up and quit whining.-Woke

Now you are flat out lying. I never even implied such a thing much less say it. And you keep trying to twist my words to make it sound as if I am just some cold-hearted person who doesn't care about soldiers getting hurt or dying. The only point I have been making is that, anyone joining the military today should have a good idea that they will be in combat and possibly die or be disfigured. If they do not think so then they are truly not intelligent or logical people at all.

Again, I never used the words I said in the manner you are trying to portray them. You are creating a lie about what I have said. Do you always do that, woke? Do you always twist people's words to try and make it seem as if they said something they didn't?

Twisting words?

These words?>>

Only when they actually experience the horrors and atrocities of war, do some realize they've been duped and many times it is then too late. -Woke
>>
Then those "some" you speak of are some dumb mother fuckers. If you don't know what you are getting into when you join the military today, with TV and the internet and world wide communications, then you deserve to get your ass blown up.

Woke wants us to believe that some people just don't have a clue that they might get shot at after joining the military. That may have been the case in your day, Woke, but not in this century.

#99 | POSTED BY EVERLONG AT 2010-01-19 04:49 PM

As I said Everlong, spew that BS to the tens of thousands who have brain trauma, lost limbs, or the 300k+ who return with PTSD or at the families who's sons committed suicide from serving in war zones....double the rate of non war vets.

"Then those "some" you speak of are some dumb mother fuckers. If you don't know what you are getting into when you join the military today, with TV and the internet and world wide communications, then you deserve to get your ass blown up."
Everlong

Hey Everlong, F you buddy for those comments.....

Apparently that would have been the better response to you instead of attempting toe educate you=someone who knows so much better than anyone else why the incredible increases in suicide and desertion.......eh? Just dumb mfrs who deserve to get blown up, eh?

You aren't worth spit imo.

Of course I haven't, and you have absolutely nothing to lose.
#118 | Posted by redlightrobot

Do you read? I said I DID see the freakin' movies. They tickle the brain plenty, but exaggerate facts to support their agenda. The first part didn't do much in the way of "shaking my faith" however. Like most propaganda films, it surely has a better effect on the ill-informed.

I'm curious to see any good rebuttal - so bring it pal. What makes you "believe" Christianity isn't a meme of Judaism?
#118 | Posted by redlightrobot

What the hell are you talking about man? I never made that argument. Is your brain OK? The Old Testament is essentially parts of Judaism's Tanach, yes... add the New Testament (times of, and post Jesus ...the Jew) and you've got Christianity. Christians believe that Jesus being here, fulfilled an ancient prophecy. Those of the Jewish religion don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. Still, we both have Adam, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Moses, Passover, etc.

Also, why is it acceptable to encrypt their scripture onto weapons? Are you interested in why fundamentalists are involved in military industry, particularly arms-dealing?
#118 | Posted by redlightrobot
Did you read any of my prior post in regards to that? Read post #74 "I personally don't agree w/ referencing Christian scripture on tools used to aid in the killing of people" however, in post #80 "These seem to be inspiring scriptures... like someone saying, "May the force be with you" before one takes on the Death Star, or "Gesundheit", after a sneeze."
Where are you getting your assumptions from? My retort in regards to the article were simply: Scripture references on a sight is not "proselytism", and you cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion legally via the Constitution.
You're creating constellations from coincidental star patterns, bud.

Gimmie a link or video to that Zeitgeist correction.
#118 | Posted by redlightrobot

The connection is in their own freakin' statement! We're not going to do this all day. I've debated plenty w/ you Zeitgeist/Venus people. It appears neither of us will change our minds as a result so what would be the point to continue?
You and Google are on your own from here on out.
Here:
www.zeitgeistmovie.com
www.thevenusproject.com
www.pointbite.com
Peter Joseph... Jacque Fresco... You don't know the origin of this stuff yet believe in it? A bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

Not a Good Marketing Slogan?

Hmmm...just wondering...is the Biblical reference/admonition "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" on any of these weapons???

Probably something more along the lines of this gem from Isaiah: "I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath; their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing."

I'm sure someone used this one to goad Bush into his unilateral war of aggression in Iraq.

Hmmm...just wondering...is the Biblical reference/admonition "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" on any of these weapons???

hmmm didn't you get the memo? God is OK with KILLIN' it is just MURDER He don't like.

Ya see the Earthquake in Haiti that killed hundreds of thousands now that was an Act of God. A good killin'. But, now murder is somethin he don't cotton too and so you go directly to hell and do not pass go. And who gets to decide whether it is murder or killin'? Well, the State you reside in gonna figure that one out... God prefers to remain anonymous.

I stand by what I said, Woke, no matter how awful you think it was to say. You made the comment that people are duped into service and I say if you are duped into serving in the world of today then you are a dumb MF. I stand by that. There is far and away enough information on what is going on regarding the wars we are in, and if a person joins the military today and they don't think that they have a chance of getting killed or seriously messed up then they are stupid. It's just that simple.

Yet you want to make it out like I think that wounded soldiers are stupid for joining. That is how you are twisting words. You are taking my words and putting them into a different context. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the soldiers in Walter Reed had no idea of what they were doing when they joined up? That's a bigger insult than what you are trying to make my words into. Of course they knew what they were getting into.

You want everyone to believe that those soldiers were somehow fooled into serving without understanding what the consequences could be. Maybe there are a few like that and I would have to stand by what I said and say that they are stupid asses if they thought they had no chance of getting hurt upon joining the military in today's world.

Do you think the people joining up don't realize that there are two wars going on? And do you expect me to believe that those same people were duped into believing that there is no risk involved? You seem to be unable to handle the truth, and you are certainly wrong if you think that I am insulting injured soldiers. That being said, if I met an injured soldier and he told me he joined under the pretense that he had no chance of being hurt or worse then I would call him a dumb MF.

The fact of the matter is that things are different than when you served. Very different. You just refuse to see it or admit to it. And you trying to make me seem as if I'm bad mouthing our soldiers is just bullshit. When you bring up things like suicide rates that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that I have said. My statement and stance is very simple. If you join the military today and think you have no chance of getting seriously hurt or killed then you are fucking stupid. And if you can't see that then you are fucking stupid too. Check that. You are stupid.

Spin, twirl or do a tap dance buddy......you can try to dismiss what you said but it stands for all to see....

Only when they actually experience the horrors and atrocities of war, do some realize they've been duped and many times it is then too late. -Woke
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Then those "some" you speak of are some dumb mother fuckers. If you don't know what you are getting into when you join the military today, with TV and the internet and world wide communications, then you deserve to get your ass blown up. -Everlong

If you cannot see a connection between war service and the increase in PTSD, desertion and suicide having something to do with being "duped" because there is no way to prepare for the horrors/atrocities of war, then you are the one who is really, really stupid......1. for not seeing the connection 2. for thinking you know something you don't, since you've never been "trained" for war or experienced it......

But keep tap dancing buddy.....I find your inability to admit you don't know wtf you are talking about humorous.

"Spokespeople for the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps both said their services were unaware of the biblical markings."

You know why? Unless you are a codebreaker who is also very familiar with the Bible who goes out of his way to decipher these codes, there is no possible way to know this.

I don't think you can reasonably argue that a coded message that nobody will understand on any level just by looking at it is forcing a religion on anyone. But that won't stop people who love drama screaming bloody murder.

Personally, I think its funny that anyone who claims to be a Christian would somehow associate Christ's teachings with a weapon. Really I don't know how you could even sell weapons and claim to be a follower of Christ.

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