Article sort of makes it sound like no matter where this missle landed it would've squished some roaches.

audiotape of Mehsud denying his death emerged Friday

Video tape too:

Nice! Keep taking them out one by one until they collapse from an abscence of leadership and Command & Control.

Badda bing badda BOOM.

"Keep taking them out one by one"

That was some nice shootin" let me load er up!

A. "This never happened"
B. "This was the work of Paki intelligence"

-Tosser

Will the killing of Jamal bring back the victims?
Killing is wrong. Always.

Be Well.

Will the killing of Jamal bring back the victims?
Killing is wrong. Always.
#8 | Posted by skip_wellington

ya CAN KILL 'EM . . .

ya just CAN"T call 'em names or punch 'em

thx

Will the killing of Jamal bring back the victims?

It will prevent him from claiming any more.

Will the killing of Jamal bring back the victims?
Killing is wrong. Always.

Be Well.
#8 | Posted by skip_wellington

Until somebody kills someone in her family,then the tune changes.

rwd

So who gets the reward? Boeing?

Keep taking them out one by one until they collapse from an abscence of leadership and Command & Control.

Or, more likely, you just bump off the 500th #2 man of whatever organization.

#13 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-15 11:23 PM | Reply | STRAWMAN FLAG !!!!

LOL

RWD

"This was the work of Paki intelligence"

It was.

Drone strikes are always a joint operation". It is impossible to pick the target without that.

So who gets the reward? Boeing?

ISI and/or Govt. of Pakistan gets the bounty according to Mushi's book.

At one point, the hijackers shot and threw hand grenades at passengers and crew in one part of the plane.

I remember that well ... Karachi airport, it was.

The pilots locked the cockpit and escaped outside, leaving the plane siting there (they were following Pan-Am anti-hijack policy).

I think after this incident, Pan-Am started going downhill (for many other reasons also) and the company finally folded a few years later.

TOSSER

The two former Guantanamo detainees who met with their former guard were on a "joint operation" in Afghanistan killing time before a wedding or something in Pakistan when they were captured. Skunky weed...

From the article... it's hardly a secret any longer. (after Mushi blabbed everything in his book, LOL)

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there is little doubt Islamabad agrees to at least some of the attacks and provides targeting information for them.
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Do remember I was THE FIRST on DR who said, ISI provides targeting info for drones. LOL

First I say it... then the world sez it.

I wonder how much I should charge RCADE for leaking sensitive info to the public?

"joint operation" in Afghanistan killing time before a wedding

If you are talking of those two idiots, it was pretty common for people to walk into Afghanistan in search of adventure, drugs, and guns and ammo or just plain "sight seeing".

They just got caught being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And AU... nice to see you again.

When 101-Cripple finds out, he'll probably commit suicide. LOL

RWD, what the hell are you talking about?

At the same time and same area, Pakistani security forces execute taliban in cold blood.

Bringing them to trial is not desirable because our courts are stuffed and have a huge backlog of cases.... they would sit in jail for years enjoying 3 meals a day at tax-payer expense.

This saves on paper-work.

'Bringing them to trial is not desirable because our courts are stuffed and have a huge backlog of cases.... they would sit in jail for years enjoying 3 meals a day at tax-payer expense.'

I agree with you Tosser. I do, however, wish our criminals spontaneously combusted such as yours.

And AU... nice to see you again.

#20 | Posted by Tosser

Thanks, buddy! Recovering from a rotator cuff injury, so can't do too much but lounge and retort. TV gets old after awhile.

When 101-Cripple finds out, he'll probably commit suicide. LOL

LOL As Scrooge says in A Christmas Carol "Better to decrease the surplus population". His Dennis Miller (has-been snarky American comedian) one-trick-pony act is very boring.

PS I've been laughing my ass off at your rocket/woman posts. You're a very funny person. I know some think I don't have a sense of humor. They don't know me at all. Talking politics here isn't fun and games. LOL

If you are talking of those two idiots, it was pretty common for people to walk into Afghanistan in search of adventure, drugs, and guns and ammo or just plain "sight seeing".

They just got caught being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

#19 | Posted by Tosser

Hopefully they at least got to enjoy a few huge spliffs before capture.

AU

Glad to see you here again on a regular basis.

Welcome back.

Any news on Keith?

Thanks, TWINPAC :-)

Not a word on Keith. We were in almost daily contact by phone getting his knife biz going, and things were looking up. After his experimental operation, I talked to him while he was in the hospital, but after he left the hospital not a peep. He did say he could feel his legs and feet. That was positive.

I'm assuming the rehab hospital he's in doesn't have internet service, so he can't email or pay his cell phone bill either. I hope he's OK and there weren't unforeseen complications.

I'm assuming the rehab hospital he's in doesn't have internet service, so he can't email or pay his cell phone bill either. I hope he's OK and there weren't unforeseen complications.

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2010-01-16 03:48 AM

It was last June that Keith posted on here -- 8 months ago -- so it's been awhile. If we knew what hospital Keith had been in maybe they would tell us which rehab he's been transferred to now and we could leave a message at their main office for him -- even if only to say we all wish him well. No sense in telling Keith to check in here on DR because I know if he had internet access and was physically able to, he would have done so by now.

Only problem is, even if we knew the hospital he had been in, I doubt that due to the medical privacy laws they would release the information. Like you, I hope there were no complications. The poor guy has certainly had a rough time of it.

The poor guy has certainly had a rough time of it.

Absolutely. He was so hopeful the last time I spoke with him. Excited, actually, that he had feeling in his legs and feet, and also over the doctor's preliminary comments that he might walk again albeit with the help of a walker. For someone who's had to deal with so many difficulties Keith is such a trooper who never complained. I don't think he'd mind my sharing that they were doing an experimental surgery, which, at least a couple days after the surgery, seemed to show some success.

We can only hope he's tucked away in a rehab facility somewhere recuperating. Hopefully, he'll surface sometime in the near future. A great guy who deserves every break life can give him.

And, good luck to you on your upcoming sale of the house and move to a new life. Are you excited about it?

AU

Keith might even be back at the monastery where he was living before his operation - possibly as a rehab outpatient

Chris and I both called around to see if we could locate it but without any luck. If we could contact them, they'd surely know where we could send a note.

You're the only one who actually received a letter with a return address. I was hoping you could remember it.

Even if he doesn't have access to the internet any more, we coul still send a card or letter to let him know we're thinking about him.

Did you ever locate that envelope?

TWINPAC

Check your inbox....

AMERICANUNITY

Check your inbox for my reply.

FTA: Four of the drone-fired missiles landed Friday in the Zarniri area of North Waziristan, killing three people. The area is near where a strike Thursday killed 12 people but is thought to have missed its apparent target, Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud.

A purported audiotape of Mehsud denying his death emerged Friday but contained no specific reference to the missile strike.

So the drone nail Mehsud on their second attempt but it's not official yet and the Taliban are issuing pre-taped posthumous denials of the death once again?

24 years after slaughtering 20 innocent people in a PanAm jet he'd hijacked this terrorist was finally found by justice in the form of a hellfire missile?

Meh, "Better Late Than Never" Flag.

Be Well.

So the drone nail Mehsud

Not sure bro. We've all learnt never to expect something is done until it's DONE. Like caught-on-tape-burnt-to-a-
crispy-cinder done.

So we watch. And wait.

But I'm glad toss bought something up.

Pakistani security forces execute taliban in cold blood

You remember us talking a wee three months ago about the effectiveness of the Phoenix program?

At least twice in my lifetime of two decades or so, a democratically elected government of Pakistan, when faced with an insurgency has "extra-judicially" executed the "insurgents". This time around with the Talian is the second time.

The first was right in the very city me and tosser lived in. Smack dab in the middle of the nineties.

These programs in "spirit" (a very demonic spirit I might say) matched the Phoenix program.

My point is that things like the Phoenix program do work, and did work in Vietnam, but I think the caveat has to be that the people who do it are:

1) Not dilletantes in war who will be one day there and three years later, gone

2) Have legitimacy. The twice I have seen insurgencies, they started up during a military dictatorship, and were ended by democracies resorting to extra-judicial executions.

3) Don't think that first world countries would be unable to do it if they could somehow fulfill the first two conditions. The phoenix program was a success in wiping out many elements of the NVA/Viet Cong in Vietnam; the US/R.O.V problem was legitimacy and non-staying power. The R.O.V army actually did fight effectively against the N.V.A as it tried to roll down but the real reason it got defeated was that it's generals were trying to fight the N.V.A and each other.
The US has done effective Phoenix Program style killings.

Two examples I've heard of are the domestic elimination of the Black Panthers in the US. Another was Operation Condor in South America, where they got South American militaries to co-operate with each other in eliminating leftists or Soviet sympathisers. Notice how these two successes are not talked about. That's cause the US went about them professionally and was staying in the neighbourhood to make sure the job got done properly. And lo and behold it did.

The point is, cold blooded assasination works, if its done well.

Oh fuck I'm justifying cold blooded murder.

And we're all condoning it.

And it's effective.

Fuck this world.

Oh fuck I'm justifying cold blooded murder.

And we're all condoning it.

And it's effective.

Fuck this world.

No fucking kidding, man.

So instead of capturing these terrorists and holding them in gitmo BECAUSE YOU SAY IT'S TORTURE AND INHUMANE....

we shot a missile at them and kill them. Spuds even celebrates the belated punishmnet. The left..the dr left ........hypocrites to the core.

Hey, Wise 1 or Tosser,

Why was this nutbar running around free in the first place?

FTA: Rahim had been tried and convicted by Pakistan, but he and three suspected accomplices were apparently released in January 2008. All four were added to the FBI list late last year.

Wot does "apparently released" mean exactly?

Also... In the future it would be good if you guys could just stick a gps device up the butts of these terrorist guys before you set 'em free. You'd end up saving these drone operator folks a lot of time, eh?

^_^

Be Well.

No fucking kidding, man.

And a good morning to you too Zombie Hunter.

Anyway, to make up for the justification of fascism, here is audio of stand up from John Oliver of the Daily Show, doing his main stand up gig from last May:

Why was this nutbar running around free in the first place?

Same reason you and I are typing away on keyboards at 8:28 AM on a Saturday morning.

Coffee, Coffee, Coffee! Candy, Candy, Candy!

So the drone nail Mehsud on their second attempt but it's not official yet and the Taliban are issuing pre-taped posthumous denials of the death once again?

These dudes are like zombies, spud. The only way to be sure of their death is to have evidence that the brain has been destroyed. And of course, if you are bitten the best thing you can do is have a buddy put a bullet in your head right then and there, or go down in a blaze of glory so your friends can escape.

Spuds even celebrates the belated punishment. The left..the dr left ........hypocrites to the core.

~Crazy Wavy Davey Baby

Torture is inhumane.

It is terrorism.

If you hafta become your enemy in order to fight your enemy you have already lost.

The only thing torture "works" for is extracting false confessions and within the confines of a totalitarian state it works to terrorize the citizenry into not having the will to fight an oppressive, illegitimate regime.

Traditionally nations that adopt torture as an instrument of statecraft inevitably go on to use it on it's own citizens.

Do you want to see that?

Now, do you actually have an opinion one way or the other on this aerial execution?

Approve, disapprove, don't know, don't care?

Is lib bashing the only reason for yer existence?

Cos that'd just be sad.

K?

Be Well.

Same reason you and I are typing away on keyboards at 8:28 AM on a Saturday morning.

Cos all the good cartoons come on later?

Coffee, Coffee, Coffee! Candy, Candy, Candy!

That was gonna be Spud's second guess.

Candy is good!

Coffee is our friend!

Be Well.

Oh fuck I'm justifying cold blooded murder.

And you should fully support it in this case.

Remember I once told you on Margolis's site, how we had been systemically killing these people, bringing their numbers down from 10,000 to less than half (in Swat)? When that was done, only then did we let them have some peace in Swat... which they broke... letting us slaughter them.

When I first told you about the assassinations, I believe you were a bit skeptical. LOL

Right now there is a warehouse full of documentation about the crimes of these people (source: News International) and the this documentation is so detailed and overwhelming that every one of these people in jail will hang.

However, I don't think a single one of them has had their day in court yet.

It's far better to no arrest. Just finish and leave in a ditch.

And a good morning to you too Zombie Hunter.

And to you as well... though I guess it would be closer to evening in pak. I love the John Oliver stuff, I actually watched it the other day and it had me cracking up. This thread is desperately in need of some light material, thanks.

Same reason you and I are typing away on keyboards at 8:28 AM on a Saturday morning.

Lol I've been up all night playing soccer... now I'm about to crash like a poorly-maintained Cessna piloted into a hurricane by an opium-smoking drunkard. Every now and again, I seem to find myself on Japan time. Then monday rolls around, and I need intravenous coffee just to get through the day.

These dudes are like zombies, spud. The only way to be sure of their death is to have evidence that the brain has been destroyed.

~Zombiehunter

So if we see them lying down, unmoving, with multiple buillet holes in 'em and a "Palin/Bachmann '12" button on their lapels we can be pretty sure they've been destroyed utterly?

TY fer the tip!

And of course, if you are bitten the best thing you can do is have a buddy put a bullet in your head right then and there, or go down in a blaze of glory so your friends can escape.

Is good to pre-plan these things.

No time fer taking a meeting when the zombies break through the doors.

No sir, no time at all.

Be Well.

/TY to YS1 fer the Oliver clips.
//Jon Oliver is the man.

Wot does "apparently released" mean exactly?

It means we always knew where he would be. We (a guess, let me say) maybe released him as "candy" for the Americans. It makes the Americans happy, if they can "drone" some creep from time to time.

Or maybe he just got out because his term was up... out on some technicality? Maybe he finally got himself a good lawyer?

Anyway, he got loose, we let our Uncle "drone" him, and we got paid the bounty. Win win.

Is good to pre-plan these things.

Oh, I have. I sleep with a chainsaw under my pillow and a car antenna on my nightstand. Just in case...

And you should fully support it in this case.

We don't get a choice. The hive brain decides. And then it suddenly happens.

Remember I once told you on Margolis's site, how we had been systemically killing these people, bringing their numbers down from 10,000 to less than half (in Swat)?

I remember. The 10,000 was a number I didn't believe straight up. Though it was too high for the number of fighters. It's when you factor in informants and "silent" type supporters, that it makes sense. We were talking fighters back then.

When that was done, only then did we let them have some peace in Swat... which they broke... letting us slaughter them.

Toss, I do want to mention that. Your tone indicated more like you were "looking into it". Like you were studying it and on the fence. So accounting mistakes are understandable.

When I first told you about the assassinations, I believe you were a bit skeptical.

I don't think they started fingering fighters b4 Rah-e-Rast/Black Thunderstorm. The army may have killed of the informants, doing that tactic you mentioned of killing the loud mouth yapping dog; but that didn't solve the real problem of the men in the mountains. Again real action took place when the entire hive-mind/democratic consensus of Pakistan fell on the TNSM like a ton of bricks.

The reason I was sceptical was because the army had nobody behind it to go all out down and dirty on the TNSM. So it just stood around while the situation got worse before it got better.

This was the second time in my life I saw a democratic consensus emerge in Pakistan against one particular insurgent group. When that happens, there are no trials and no arrests; its just what's happening now, straight out capture and kill.

Oh, I have. I sleep with a chainsaw under my pillow and a car antenna on my nightstand. Just in case...

#49 | Posted by ZombieHunter

This doesn't sound very safe.

You should secure that car antennea so someone doesn't get accidentally injured.

You just gave me an idea for a new product. Tenna Lock. You use it lock that car antennea so only an expert can wield it's awesome power.

I sleep with a chainsaw under my pillow and a car antenna on my nightstand.

Ever read the Zombie Survival Guide?

Great read.

Same dude wrote World War Z.

I got WWZ on my hard drive. If you ever want the e-book, just ask.

The 10,000 was a number I didn't believe straight up.

10,000 fighters was the number Fazlulla himself gave. Perhaps he was exaggerating, but that number was the one quoted in most of the media.

The army may have killed of the informants, doing that tactic you mentioned of killing the loud mouth yapping dog; but that didn't solve the real problem of the men in the mountains.

It seriously degraded their performance to the extent that they were forced to the negotiating table.

They never gained back that strength, making it much easier to kill them off after the democratic consensus got under way.

It seriously degraded their performance to the extent that they were forced to the negotiating table.

Partially. But there was no consensus to go after them in a big way. It was only when we eliminated the idea of negotiations from the public's mind by actually carrying out negotiations that we went after them with everything we had.

Point is, you need legitimacy to carry out ops like these.

It was only when we eliminated the idea of negotiations from the public's mind by actually carrying out negotiations that we went after them with everything we had.

That was a necessary step. Or else they would still be able to draw sympathy. Sympathy for the underdog.

Point is, you need legitimacy to carry out ops like these.

True.

I never said they were/should be tortured, you and the left does. Nor did I imply it was OK.

I asked which was more humane, capturing them and putting them in Gitmo, or killing them? Of course you completely avoided the simple question. I call you out as being disingenuous. Your reply is double talk and calling names. It's a simple question, dude.

Your answer spud?????

I see as usaul rcade shitcans the thread at the first sign the dr left may look bad.

You're bad

Wait it's still up. OK 'my bad' rcade!

Your answer spud?

Hey Look, it took a spineless Democrat to do what Reagan should have done 25 years ago.

Nice legacy, Ronnie. I wonder if good ole Mr. Raygun has faced his Maker yet, or did he Cut & Run from that engagement too? Maybe he's holed up, cowering, in Cheney's Undisclosed Location.

I asked which was more humane, capturing them and putting them in Gitmo, or killing them?

Actually, you didn't ask anything.

You just called Spud a hypocrite.

In answer to the question that you just now posed?

Killing *is* more humane than torture.

That's why they call torture "a fate worse than death".

Killing is sometimes justifiable.

Torture never is.

Learn that.

Be Well.

I asked which was more humane, capturing them and putting them in Gitmo, or killing them?

Actually, you didn't ask anything.

You just called Spud a hypocrite.

In answer to the question that you just now posed?

Killing *is* more humane than torture.

That's why they call torture "a fate worse than death".

Killing is sometimes justifiable.

Torture never is.

Learn that.

Be Well.

Oops, apologies fer the double post there.

Be Well.

Yep, YS, I have "The Guide" as well as World War Z. Hilarious stuff.

This man was not even read his Constitutional Rights? What happened to our Values here? This dispute should get resolved in court ... not at the point of a Missile ...

This man was not even read his Constitutional Rights? What happened to our Values here? This dispute should get resolved in court ... not at the point of a Missile ...

The district is in a state of war.

Your snarkiness is rated S for stupid.

"This was the work of Paki intelligence"

LMFAO!!!

I DID call you a HYPOCRITE because you are. You have just proved it.

YOU are throwing around the word torture, and confusing it with imprisonment. Imprisonment is not torture. You pretend that to hold them is to torture them.

How do you equate the two?

Killing *is* more humane than torture.That's why they call torture "a fate worse than death".
Killing is sometimes justifiable.
Torture never is.

HA!!!!!!!!!!!

SO now obama can just kill them all. No need for taking prisoners anymore, spud has spoken. It's the joe biden way of the future. The hell with miranda rights on the battle field, just fuckin kill them

Here was the exact post, why do you find it hard to answer a question? Don't change the question.....just answer it dude!!!!

I never said they were/should be tortured, you and the left does. Nor did I imply it was OK.

I asked which was more humane, capturing them and putting them in Gitmo, or killing them

And disingenuous to hypocrite

and/add

We should not compromise our values at the point of a Missile. This act was torture, we need trials .. not bombs.

So that's it spud? You refuse to answer AGAIN??????????????????

Hope it was a slow death...not instantaneous..

These guys could have been hauled in and mirandized by Paki or US forces ... :) ... rather than all this bloodshed. We must win hearts and minds, not use the same terrorist tactics as our enemies .. :).

....... we could have just talked to them ... Courts not Bombs !!