Think of this as another instance like getting hurt at an Amusement Park.

"Part of the Fun is the Potential of Death".

Sincerely

Some DR Rightard who posted exactly those words

I can't wait for O-Ring to show up and call me a Neo-con Monsanto Shill.

The GMO corn isn't nearly as harmful as the Farm Bill (a.k.a. The Monsanto Bail Out) which mandates GMO crops and overproduction of corn.

20 years ago type 2 diabetes was an adult phenomenon. A kid born after 2000 has a 1 in 3 chance of developing type 2 before their 10th birthday--1 in 2 if the child is a minority!

Corn is killing us. It has directly killed farms across the country. It kills us through E. coli 0157:H7, another of corns many byproducts. It slowly kills the cows and chickens that eat it (but "thankfully" people like Pinche Mao can keep them pumped with enough growth hormones and antibiotics to get them to slaughter before their gut explodes).

Stop eating corn. Stop eating corn based products. Stop eating meat that eats corn. Or you will die young and your child will develop diabetes.

"Or you will die young"

I'm too old to die young.

I'm too old to die young.

..and you haven't been eating fast "food" burgers and drinking cola your whole life, have you?

If I recall, you raise grass-fed beef, too?

Thanks for helping my point along.

"drinking cola your whole life, have you?"
Sweetened with aspartame and bourbon.

OTOH I have never ever eaten at a McDonald's.
Not once.

Of course another good use for corn is making whiskey.

keep them pumped with enough growth hormones and antibiotics to get them to slaughter before their gut explodes

You don't "pump" hormones and antibiotics into feeder calves, you stupid shit.

Go find out what the fuck you're talking about and see if you can't contribute something to the topic that isn't recycled, shrill, left-wing horsehit.

Good luck.

Posse East yes

That burger looks frozen-patty to me. So that means feedlot, corn fattened, "filler" meat (made by mixing beef with an ammonia concentrate to kill some of the E coli), burger.

You might as well have been eating at McDonalds.

"The International Journal of Biological Sciences has released the results of a study that they say shows evidence that Monsanto's GMO Corn can be linked to organ damage in rats."

Seems they've only been testing Democrats. Isn't that discriminatory?

"That burger looks frozen-patty to me."

I have no idea. I know Dirty's are fresh. Next time I eat one I'll ask.

horsehit

There is some left after you "feed" you cows?

How's that government welfare corn doing for ya? You could say, "thanks" for providing the means for your soul-less "profession". But full-time prick seems to be more your thang. Good luck, and you're welcome for all the corn we subsidize you with.

Ranchers, the real welfare queens of America.

Of course Sao Paulo

It doesn't really matter how glossy the menu is or how perky the waitstaff may be.

What's in the food!?

Where did the food come from!?

You could be taking lunch at the Four Seasons everyday for all I care. If they are using "filler" meat like 90% of the burgers in this country, who cares how fucking trendy they are if the food kills you.

"You could be taking lunch at the Four Seasons everyday for all I care."

Can I send you the bill?

"Ranchers, the real welfare queens of America."

Then what do you call trustfund rancher welfare queens?

"Then what do you call trustfund rancher welfare queens?"

My ex.

"My ex."

Mao Se Dung is yer ex???

Ay, caramba!

Mao Se Dung is yer ex

We should take it easy on him. The poor thing has been conditioned to turn out this way. He can't help it.

You try torturing animals for profit whilst living off the wealth of others and see how well you sleep at night.

It takes years of practice to turn out like Mao. If he didn't act the way he does he would have killed himself long ago on a hiking trip up brokeback mountain.

His faux-intellectual-frat-boy-
tough-guy routine is just a coping mechanism.

#8 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2010-01-14 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Check out Sunstein thread. It's more your speed for your macho tendencies.

You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

Monsanto has the right to search any farmers property without a warrant. If one of their genetically modified seeds has blown onto his property they've got him on a patent violation. He can either agree to use their seeds or spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting them and lose, because Monsanto has paid Congress and our Courts to rewrite and interpret patent law to their advantage. When this country was founded patents on life forms were not permitted. Today Corporations patent any gene sequence they find interesting. Every life form, including yourself can be patented. You are not free, they own you.

Stop eating corn. Stop eating corn based products. Stop eating meat that eats corn. Or you will die young and your child will develop diabetes.

good grief. So Iowa will a have a population of zero soon? LOL

Corn is killing us. It has directly killed farms across the country.

come on blusky, share your story with us.

let the healing begin.

Not to many years ago, I worked at one of the plants that makes the burgers for McDonalds. Not many of you know much of what you are talking about. McDonalds will use what is called feed beef (cows like you describe) but only if they can not obtain non-feed beef (cows that eat grass) for their burger. And they will only use a certain percentage of it at most. They will use sometimes some frozen block beef, that was boiled off the bone, and shipped in from austraila, but only a small percentage, and it helps with texture.

More reasons to eat organic veggies.

Further studies show that consumed GMO's heated up by your cell phone can cause you to develop Gingrichitus, the delusion that you can become President.

"Gingrichitus"

FF for Corky.

Today Corporations patent any gene sequence they find interesting. Every life form, including yourself can be patented. You are not free, they own you.

And them commie ACLUers are trying to stop them.

Stop genetically modifying corn and instead continue with genetically modifying humans and sheep.

more proof that the corporate person needs to be disbanded to allow for adequate discovery of just how much the companies officers new about this. murder is murder.

GM corn is bad?

Well, they can't make a decent car wot made them think they could grow food properly?

Sorry, wot's that?

K, nvm.

Be Well.

Palm to Head Day

Actually, one of the huge reasons for the overproduction of corn and the support of over-production of corn by the government was because they are super super super smart.

Unfortunately, most people are too short sighted...and don't like to read. The CIA does constant analysis; including on agricultural trends worldwide. They fortold in the late 80's and early 90's that the demand for meat in the world, especially beef and chicken, would exceed the amount of resources to raise said beef and chicken in the first 20 or 30 years of the 2000's. Grasses and wheats would not be sufficient, so corn was a viable alternative if it could be grown. Based upon that, the massive overproduction of corn would soon not become overproduction as it would be exported to countries who have massively growing populations with a rising middle classes able to afford such commodities (hint, Asia). It's all prep-work, yo. Old skool. Finally, we are ahead of the economic curve.

'If I recall, you raise grass-fed beef, too?

Thanks for helping my point along.'

I don't see where you get off insulting the cattle industry. What do Ranchers have to do with corn on feed lots? Do you think cows are raised on feed lots? They're all grass-fed, dipshit. Until they're sold at auction. The quality goes straight to slaughter. Yeah, feeder calves aren't as good. They are a cheaper, less quality product. How could McDonald's sell a quality hamburger at .99 cents? Of course its crap. Just because a Big Mac is nasty and probably poisonous doesn't mean beef producers are trying to give you diabetes. Give me a fucking break.

The US produces some of the finest beef in the world and is a thing to be ENJOYED. I bet that chili burger at Dirty's is damn good.

If you can't find quality beef, that's your problem. Don't go off insulting hard working people about it.

Why do liberals hate America.

'Finally, we are ahead of the economic curve.'

The Government is just trying to feed all those starving Ethiopians GMO corn so their organs fail and they all get diabetes. At least according to libtards.

From the study:

"Patho-physiological profiles are unique for each GM crop/food, underlining the necessity for a case-by-case evaluation of their safety, as is largely admitted and agreed by regulators. It is not possible to make comments concerning any general, similar subchronic toxic effect for all GM foods."

#23 nutcase
Monsanto has the right to search any farmers property without a warrant. If one of their genetically modified seeds has blown onto his property they've got him on a patent violation. He can either agree to use their seeds or spend hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting them and lose, because Monsanto has paid Congress and our Courts to rewrite and interpret patent law to their advantage. When this country was founded patents on life forms were not permitted. Today Corporations patent any gene sequence they find interesting. Every life form, including yourself can be patented. You are not free, they own you.

You've hit the nail on the head with your full analysis.

Codex Alimentarius is...

...nonbinding, and not supportive of any of your paranoid delusions.

How's that "crippled epistemology" working our for you, LR?

#35 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-15 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:
The headline is both alarmist and misleading

Congratulations! You are certainly among the greatest purveyors of truth on DR. Upon every shill comment you make, a higher percentage of the DR realizes that if they want the truth, just read your perspective and take the 180 degree view as the truth.

Industrial corn by-products are in just about everything we Americans consume... that's just a fact. It's no secret that overexposure to anything can damage the body. In this alone, there's little doubt there are some major problems in the food industry... not necessarily the fault of the producers themselves as they are left with little choice but to grow crap crops. Here in Ohio, you can't just go into a field, snag an ear of corn, cook it, and expect it to taste like anything other than cardboard.

Upon every shill comment you make, a higher percentage of the DR realizes that if they want the truth, just read your perspective and take the 180 degree view as the truth.

You seem to have a rather overblown impression of the popularity of your delusions, LR. You're like an inept UFC fighter who would let his opponent break his arm in a submission hold before even thinking of tapping out. From time to time I wonder if you're the some sort of an intellectual masochist... a fool who revels in his own stupidity and relishes being proven wrong time and again.

It's no secret that overexposure to anything can damage the body

In everything there is a poison. In this study, there was Greenpeace involvement. Interesting...

What do Ranchers have to do with corn on feed lots?

Are you fucking kidding?

The price of corn is as real as unicorns. If the government stopped paying farmers to overproduce corn, feedlots where cows stand belly deep in their own shit eating corn all day would close overnight. The beef and chicken industry could not survive ONE SINGLE DAY without government handouts/bailouts/WELFARE.

We could eliminate E coli in beef simply by turning cows out to grass for ONLY 5 days before slaughter --as grass would lower the pH in their gut killing most of the E coli, and expel the fermenting corn-- but you can't, because there ain't a sprig of grass for miles around those hell holes. They grow fat on overproduced corn, grown with petrochemical fertilizer, dried, stored, and transported vast distances. They have succeeded in industrializing the beef calf, transforming what was once a solar-powered ruminant into the very last thing we need: another fossil-fuel machine.

Ranchers are scum. Any respect they might have once had for the land they work and the animals they "care" for was lost generations ago. Ranchers wallow near the bottom rung of humanity. They have less integrity than toy makers using lead paint, or a nike shoe factory.

How could McDonald's sell a quality hamburger at .99 cents?

Simply put, they can't. Add up the cost of subsidies to farmers and ranchers, the health of our nation, the cost of health care, and the overwhelming devastation to the environment ranchers cause and that "burger" cost a hell of a lot more than .99 cents.

behind every great accumulation of power is always a pile of bodies.

In everything there is a poison. In this study, there was Greenpeace involvement. Interesting...
#41 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Don't you people watch X-Files? Everyone knows the Government is using the corn to transfer the black oil aliens into our bodies. Not sure what purpose the bees play, but it is X-Files after all...was....

Some of you folk deserve the fleecing you get!

Ever Wonder why a Two liter Soda Costs Less than an Equal Amount of Water at face value?

It's because you have already paid for the cost (and some) of its main ingredient "High Fructose Corn Syrup" via the Subsidies (welfare) given to the Corporate Factory Farms to the tune of 22.9 Billion a Year!

In addition to this "conservative" favored slight of hand and the Double-Dip into your wallet, the current method of factory Beef production relies exclusively on corn, which lowers immunity, which results in beef being packed with antibiotics, raising costs (passed you AGAIN) and lowering the standard of quality and potentially having adverse heath implications for those who consume it.

If people knew that in reality a two litter soda was costing them more than a gallon of milk, they wouldn't be buying it.

And don't expect the "populist" lead Teabaggers to Broach this Subject either ------ what's 22.9 billion tax dollars a year when you can whine about on about the intangible inconsequential's.

If the GMO corn is so safe (as only the right wingers and therefore least educated seems to think so) then why the massive effort to prevent people from knowing GMO genes is in a product? If it makes the corn resistant to weed killers and pesticides, then it seems reasonable that farmers will use more poison, not less and as a result the food is more and more contaminated every day.

It would take a leap of faith to believe that this is not harmful to the masses, but that certainly seems to be what the pubbies are best at these days.

Unfortunately the end result of not using the product is less available food, but in the end with people living shorter lives a result I suppose it all balances out. We just end up with less quality of life and are denied the opportunity to choose what we will eat because of political lobbying. It's the new American way.

"20 years ago type 2 diabetes was an adult phenomenon. A kid born after 2000 has a 1 in 3 chance of developing type 2 before their 10th birthday--1 in 2 if the child is a minority!"

#3 | Posted by BluSky

No offense but I simply do not believe your 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 stats. Can you please document this from a reliable source.

Thanks!

Ranchers are scum. Any respect they might have once had for the land they work and the animals they "care" for was lost generations ago. Ranchers wallow near the bottom rung of humanity. They have less integrity than toy makers using lead paint, or a nike shoe factory.

come on blusky, let it out. give us your story.

Did your family lose it's farm? friend, relative?

you have a personal story that has nothing to do with GMO corn but rather involves an unpleasant event that has touched you personally.

#47 ring
GMO corn is so safe (as only the right wingers and therefore least educated seems to think so)

It's not a left-right issue, Ring. It's an education issue.

The shills are certainly not right-wing, but they must support their own malfeasance.

#49 eberly

#23 | Posted by nutcase at 2010-01-15 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

but I simply do not believe your 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 stats.

'Ranchers are scum.'

You must be a miserable cuss. All that hate can't be healthy. Plus you don't know what you are talking about. Also, there are more cows than people where I live and...I'm looking around and....I live on some of the most beautiful and productive land in the world!

My Butcher's shop is two blocks from my house. I could find out what herd my beef is from. From field to plate, the animal won't travel more than fifty miles. It will ever see a feed lot or a kernel of GMO corn. It is delicious, (and yes, our beef is better than that of TX.)

I salute farm and ranch producers. Thank you for busting your ass, so I can provide food for my family.

you have a personal story that has nothing to do with GMO corn but rather involves an unpleasant event that has touched you personally

Have you ever seen or smelled a feedlot up close?

Is that not enough?

I have no doubts that diabetes has increased at a frightening pace in the last 20 years.

There are many factors however.

And I think there is some merit to the argument regarding GMO corn.

very interesting that the companies using it lobby to keep it from being disclosed.

#40 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-15 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag

Upon every shill comment you make, a higher percentage of the DR realizes that if they want the truth, just read your perspective and take the 180 degree view as the truth.

You seem to have a rather overblown impression of the popularity of your delusions, LR. You're like an inept UFC fighter who would let his opponent break his arm in a submission hold before even thinking of tapping out. From time to time I wonder if you're the some sort of an intellectual masochist... a fool who revels in his own stupidity and relishes being proven wrong time and again.

Let's test out the 180 degrees idea.
I am humble.
What I post has great popularity.
I don't submit in a fight.
I have strong self esteem.
I take great enjoyment when proven correct.

You're too kind! There is a bit of exaggeration there, though.

Have you ever seen or smelled a feedlot up close?

I grew up in Southwest Kansas. yes.

Is that not enough?

no. it isn't. it isn't that simple.

you are this outraged because you have driven by a feedlot?

I used to live 6 miles from 500,000 head of cattle in various feedyards located very near 1 of the largest cattle slaughtering plants in the world (owned by Cargill)

It is un believably disgusting and all of the problem associated with that can't remotely be covered on this thread......so as far as that goes...it is even worse that YOU think.

But you still have a story.....unless you are just a stupid libtard who has never been in the real world.

'.....unless you are just a stupid libtard who has never been in the real world.'

That's my bet.

My Butcher's shop is two blocks from my house. I could find out what herd my beef is from. From field to plate, the animal won't travel more than fifty miles. It will ever see a feed lot or a kernel of GMO corn. It is delicious, (and yes, our beef is better than that of TX.)

Local butcher, you're lucky. Not too long ago everyone had a local butcher who got sides locally from humane farmers/ranchers. It is rare, very very rare nowadays. Six or seven huge killfloors supply almost all the beef, pork, and foul for the whole country. You'll find only migrant workers inside, paid very little, with a high turnover because their minds break amongst all that blood, and pain, and filth.

My beef comes from Idaho. I've seen the farm, I've seen the herd, I know what they eat, I know how they are slaughtered. And I pay out the nose for it!

.99 cent hamburger--WTF!

Errr wait, I take that back. The traumatic event.

'from humane farmers/ranchers. It is rare, very very rare nowadays.'

WTF are you talking about? There are around 2.6 million head in my state. Their all treated humanely. They have 147,000 square miles to roam.

You think sickly, juiced up animals are going to sell at a good price?

You think sickly, juiced up animals are going to sell at a good price?

Depends on what you mean by "good". .99 per serving seems to be the going rate.

Keeping up with the condition of 2.6 million cows must be exhausting! Since I know the FDA doesn't really give a fuck about the quality or safty of beef, I know you're not tracking all those cows on their behalf. So this must be a hobby of yours? Do you have a bitching helo or something?

It is un believably disgusting and all of the problem associated with that can't remotely be covered on this thread......so as far as that goes...it is even worse that YOU think.

Undoubtably.

So we basiclly agree but you take isuue with me because I'm a liberal?

Piss off.

So we basiclly agree but you take isuue with me because I'm a liberal?

I wouldn't say that we agree when I read you hate filled statements about ranchers.

I am asking why you are so angry. It has nothing to do with your liberalism. we don't lock horns normally. I have no beef with you. (no pun intended)

why do liberals try and make their liberalism some sort of victimization complex.

piss off

why the anger? I simply asked for story. you have one. it is obvious.

Depends on what you mean by "good". .99 per serving seems to be the going rate.

Because McDonalds goes after low income folks with those prices? I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if $.99 hamburgers aren't a loss leader for them to get you to order the stuff they DO make money off of.

put cheese on it
fries
soda
desserts
etc...

"Dirty's yes www.dirtymartins.com"

Hi, GED!

'Depends on what you mean by "good". .99 per serving seems to be the going rate.'

Like I said before, if you can't find a good steak, its your problem. Just keep on watching Michael Moore and eat your soy and stay angry and bitter. Sucks to be you.

See the Documentary titled FOOD, INC.

It's not a left/right thing at all. It's a 'human' thing.

From field to plate, the animal won't travel more than fifty miles.

I can do the same thing, but feed lots and and the people who run them do exist. If you're lucky enough to be able to get local, grass fed beef that's great.

What you seem to be incapable of acknowledging is that there are places where cows are penned up, fed diets strictly made up of corn to pack on fat before they're slaughtered.

His comments about ranchers being scum are uncalled for, but when it comes to what happens on a feed lot and what would happen if they cattle were fed a diet of grass for 5 days are pretty much on the money according to a study from Cornell.

put cheese on it
fries
soda
desserts
etc...

All of which have one derivative or corn or another. Either it was fed on corn or it's made from re-engineered corn.

you have one. it is obvious.

Really, I don't. But I do prefer my food not kill me.

Since our economy, our health, and our most basic security is closely tied to our food supply, frankly, how can you not be angry?

why the anger?(towards you)

You're right, sorry for snapping on you. It just seems like you're busting my balls --not because you disagree with my position-- but because I'm a liberal. The disillusionment is rampant on this thread so I have no time for that shite. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue, it's a human(e) one.

What you seem to be incapable of acknowledging...'

I never defended or denied the problems with feed lots and large slaughter facilities. You don't have to buy their product.

Blusky's post about Ranchers being scum is not only uncalled for, but total bullshit. Its also obvious he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. If he ever said anything like that around here, he'd probably have a few teeth knocked out.

I'll bet Blusky doesn't actually work for a living. Sitting on your ass all day pushing papers doesn't help with the diabetes either.

You're right, sorry for snapping on you.

no problem.

you make a good informational argument.

And as a person who grew up near the industry on a farm I was not very aware of this.

You don't have to buy their product.

No, I don't have to buy their product. In fact, I don't.

Would you agree that we should be making sure that the people who do have to buy those less expensive products aren't buying something that is going to kill them or their children?

Is this a "let them eat cake" moment?

and eat your soy
I don't eat soy, mayonnaise, yogurt, or pork. Pretty much everything else is on the menu, some things more than others. I'm having a tangerine from Texas right now. "A good steak", yeah, a few times per year. Lots of farm raised fish and fresh veggies in our house. I live in the organic food capital of the world.

No one's innocent. I splurge on Mack's South Carolina peaches in the summer. Don't make me think about the carbon footprint of flying fresh fruit across the country, I might lose my appetite.

I'll bet Blusky doesn't actually work for a living.

Sounds like a challege!

I'll take that bet.

You got a PayPal account? $1,000 quid big mouth.

Shake on it?

I splurge on Mack's South Carolina peaches in the summer.

I canned 12 pints of peach and blackberry jam from their farms last summer, but it's just a short 1.5 hour drive to McBee for me.

This year, I hope to get half a flat of strawberries to make jam and syrup. Maybe a whole flat to freeze some whole for ice cream at mom's for the 4th of july.

btw, almond milk and hemp milk make great ice cream if you add just a little sweetened condensed milk.

#72 | Posted by wurster at 2010-01-15 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll bet Blusky doesn't actually work for a living. Sitting on your ass all day pushing papers doesn't help with the diabetes either.

Nice job with the propaganda BS. Producing scientific white papers that collapses your point of view implies laziness and weakness.

Such brainlessness doesn't work on the educated.

btw, almond milk and hemp milk make great ice cream if you add just a little sweetened condensed milk.

oooh, almond milk ice cream, you just made my day. Whole Foods here I come.

Glad I could help.

You should really try to make your shipping dollar count, though. If you can line up a refrigerated truck and get a few of your friends and family in on buying several cases of peaches, it might make you feel better about it.

You don't have to buy their product

I'm on a kick to boycott all GMOs [genetically modified organisms] because I don't want to support environmentally toxic agricultural policies. But how do I know for sure that the food I'm buying doesn't somehow contain genetically modified ingredients?

-Mary

First of all, your article is misleading and alarmist

But how do I know for sure that the food I'm buying doesn't somehow contain genetically modified ingredients?

The same way you know raising GM crops is an "environmentally toxic agricultural policy"----I guess you just kinda feel that way.

Don't make me think about the carbon footprint of flying fresh fruit across the country, I might lose my appetite.

LOL.

Jesus Hallmark Christ.

Are you for real?

What a self-righteous little poofter....

I live in the organic food capital of the world.

That means you pay more for food with no tangible health benefit for doing so.

That's what ignorant fuckers from rich countries do as they make poorly-informed blog posts on their computers lamenting the "evils" of cheap food.

I'm sure people from Haiti would find that intriguing, to say the least.

Contamination of surrounding farms by GM seed seems to be a viable concern and a rising problem. When Monsanto or some other GM seed manufacturer sues you for 'patent infringement' because your farm got contaminated .... Not an uncommon problem.

'Such brainlessness doesn't work on the educated.'

Being as raising cattle can be very laborious and dangerous, and being as BLUSKY is trying to demean that labor, I think its a fair argument.

I doubt BLUSKY is capable of working that hard.

I see the leftists hiding in this thread when it appears that Obama can't assert US authority to save MILLIONS, but is seemingly waiting on UN control ...???

... I'll bet none of you 'sensitive' leftists can defend this delay, which involves MILLIONS more than did KATRINA ...

... maybe you leftist blockheads have a chance to wake up ...?

(Stop the barking, I didn't mean you stupid, dumb yellow dogs ... so stop whining ...)

Such brainlessness doesn't work on the educated.

LR, an "education" is not something you get by listening to Alex Jones. I would be surprised if you even made it out of high school.

I doubt BLUSKY is capable of working that hard.

I doubt BLUSKAT's little Birkenstocks have ever left pavement.

It's not a left-right issue, Ring. It's an education issue.

Are you kidding? I've been following this issue since the 1980's. This is a neo-con corporate swindle if ever there was one. When have you ever met a liberal farmer or rancher that wasn't raising organic food? The only time ranchers or farmers do any thing bipartisan is when thy are collecting their subsidy checks and government loans.

BTW...education these days has become a partisan issue too. The fact is republicans hate educated minorities like Obama, or haven't you noticed.

'I've been following this issue since the 1980's'

What do you know? Without the mainland and our ag, you couldn't eat.

The price of corn is as real as unicorns. If the government stopped paying farmers to overproduce corn, feedlots where cows stand belly deep in their own shit eating corn all day would close overnight.

I used to drive by them when I was on business in Nebraska. I knew when I was approaching one by the smell from at least a mile away. From where the cattle were penned, I saw no grass anywhere nearby; all I saw is what looked like mud. I'll never forget the barren sight and the stench.

What do you know? Without the mainland and our ag, you couldn't eat.

Silly boy. Hawaii has more food that can be gathered here year round then any mainland state in the country an it is all organic.

Oh and BTW Hawaii's agriculture is 'our " ag too. FYI I don't eat much imported food, especially processed frozen dead food. I live in one of the most fertile hunting areas in the country. I don't trust farm raised meat and I know better then to take advice from the know-it-all farmers pushing alien food products.

They have succeeded in industrializing the beef calf, transforming what was once a solar-powered ruminant into the very last thing we need: another fossil-fuel machine.

Another impact of industrialization is farming has gone from a self-sustaining cyclical process to a series of one-way streets.

Picture your Norman Rockwell image of the single-family farm, you had some pasture, some crops and a smallish amount of livestock. It all fit together, the animals produced shit to fertilize the crops, which in turn fed the animals until they are slaughtered.

Now livestock is born on a pasture then carted off to a holding cell to get fat and die. The (GMO) crops are fertilized with chemicals, not manure. The production of both commodities has been decoupled and now takes place on two different assembly lines. The corn factory output is so vast the meat factory can't use all that corn and we're left with nothing better to do than convert 10% of it to ethanol.

And even after "Mad Cow" we still feed cattle dead cattle. Just not the brains and spinal cords. And it's still okay to feed them chicken shit.

I guess I'm just a Luddite who would prefer my food be properly raised, not simply grown.

Picture your Norman Rockwell image of the single-family farm

That was the reality 70 years ago---when most of our population was rural.

And even after "Mad Cow" we still feed cattle dead cattle. Just not the brains and spinal cords.

That's because renderings are high in protien, and tissues not of the brain and spinal cord don't carry the prion--although there are very few operations that even feed rendering-based feed at all.

I guess I'm just a Luddite who would prefer my food be properly raised, not simply grown.

But you're also a queef that enjoys all the trappings of an urbane liberal in the big city. Most people live in cities of millions of people---a long, long ways from where their food is grown. The practices and logistics of modern production agriculture reflect this reality.

So unless you want to sell your "flat" and move out of whatever miserable, urbanized blue-state shithole you call home and into the country where you might not get NPR on your Subaru's radio and can raise your own food, you should probably STFU.

I know better then to take advice from the know-it-all farmers

LOL.

Yeah! The hell with all them know-it-all smarty-pants farmers....what with all their fancy book learnin' and "agronomy", or "animal science", or "range ecology" degrees and such....Who needs them anyhow to tell us about eatin' stuff....after all, we got the Huffington Post to tell us what's true!!!