Doubt anything will come of it, not much choice on her part, abandon the child or deploy.

Wasn't like she refused to go on some BS "join the military then object when you have to deploy because you dont agree morally"...those crack me the hell up.

Loh

You sign the paperwork you have to live with the choice.

That being said it's very surprising her unit couldn't work something out with her.

You sign the paperwork you have to live with the choice.
That being said it's very surprising her unit couldn't work something out with her.

#2 | POSTED BY ANDYUHENET

yeah that will be a great recruitment tool..

That being said it's very surprising her unit couldn't work something out with her.

Units always try to work with the soldier, but sometimes, the only solution is separation from the service. Being away from family is one of the sacrifices we gladly make. The military isnt a 9 to 5, it's service to the nation. People keep coming into the service trying to make it like IBM, it just isnt.

yeah that will be a great recruitment tool..

The military has made a concerted effort not to bring in "welfare mama's". Back in the day, some recruiters made their mission in the projects. Those days are gone. It impacts readiness when a soldier doesnt have a family care plan. This soldier should have been separated a long time ago.

Are they still getting convicts to be jarheads?

Are they still getting convicts to be jarheads?

Nope, matter of fact, the army is getting picky. Some jobs they even arent letting re-up. Getting in the military isnt the guarrenteed thing it used to be...

I lived in Oceanside for 25 years and met more than my share of "it was the Corps or jail" folks.

And, the army is NOT the Corps.

Course, I knew a Navy medic who didn't have kind words for the jarheads, either.

This soldier is un-suitable for duty. Criminal charges are unnecessary. Considering her circumstances a dishonorable discharge is all that is warranted.

interesting how the biological father is reduced to a mere side note.....of course admitting I have no idea of the circumstances

my prayers to her and her family
and a really beautiful baby

CorpoRat America is Not Amused!!!

Much,Much Better (and safer & easser) to resist and get a dishonorable discharge than to die or get crippled for life fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan or Iran for the Big,Greedy Oil Companies!!! Just Say Fuk Em!!!

Big,Greedy Oil Companies!!! Just Say Fuk Em!!!

#12 | Posted by AntiCadillac

Comeon, please, tell me again how Bush invaded Iraq so that his oil buddies could get rich...

The average IQ of DrudgeRetort plummited when AntiCadillac signed up.

You're still #1 Eddie.

Women wanted equality, now they have it. She should receive no different consideration than a single-father would receive.

Do you have 'issues', MSGT?

Did your mom not show you love?

Women wanted equality, now they have it. She should receive no different consideration than a single-father would receive.

#15 | Posted by MSgt

You are accurate in your statement. A single father, in the same situation, should receive the same; a dishonorable discharge and no criminal charges. Un-suitable for service.

Boaz. I agree she should have been moved away from duty that requires deployment, or, they should have eased her out completely. It has been shown so many times that soldiers who are coerced are no better than cannon fodder. There is no point in coming down on a 21 year old girl for lack of planning. Seeing as the government under 2 administrations has shown a genuinely criminal lack of planning. In dealing with these wars.

It impacts readiness when a soldier doesnt have a family care plan.

Except, if you'd read the article you'd know she did have a family care plan that backed out on her just before she was set to leave.

how could this woman have known that by joining an army...she might have to go to war?....didn't see that coming.

I blame george bush and rush limbaugh

get a dishonorable discharge than to die or get crippled for life fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan

I wonder, at what point in your life did you realize you were a coward?

Except, if you'd read the article you'd know she did have a family care plan that backed out on her just before she was set to leave.

And if you had any military service as a commander as I do, you would know that in the commander's checklist, we encourage the soldier to have a backup plan, which shows this person didnt really have a plan. All of my soldiers have at least two people ready to care for children.

All of them have a two deep bench of care providers? No shit? How many are under your command, Two PFC's? I'm a former NCO so I'm somewhat predisposed to think you blowing sunshine up some asses here but even at that your statement seems pretty broad brush.

We've seen the military stretched to limits never thought of since Vietnam or Korea. I've also read a good deal about this story since I live in GA and this command seems to have done less than stellar job of trying to assist this woman, they're making an example of her.

she did have a plan, but she just decided she didnt want to go, but hey PC will rule again and she will skate.

And if you had any military service as a commander as I do, you would know that in the commander's checklist, we encourage the soldier to have a backup plan, which shows this person didnt really have a plan.

So she's guilty of poor planning, nothing more.

We should definitely throw her in jail.

So she's guilty of poor planning, nothing more.

We should definitely throw her in jail.

#24 | Posted by Axiom at 2010-01-14 09:22 AM | Reply

Poor planning is right. Looks like her mother is guilty as well.

Everyone in that family has different last names, and neither planned on having rubbers available before they laid down with some man.

She joined the military, not the Frequent Shopper's Club.

Spare me some BS about Hughes (the Grandma) not being able to handle the child...She runs a "Daycare". Her shitbag daughter simply doesn't want to deploy, and the baby is her excuse. She wanted some $$, some insurance, etc and now that she's collected she doesn't want to fulfill her obligation.

Shocking...

Dishonorable discharge? Wow, that's harsh. How about a General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions, instead? Many people who joined the Army National Guard were under the false impression they would be called out for things like in-state floods, tornadoes, and hurricanes. Suckers!

Many people who joined the Army National Guard were under the false impression they would be called out for things like in-state floods, tornadoes, and hurricanes. Suckers!

#26 | Posted by john47 at 2010-01-14 09:32 AM | Reply

Agreed, but that was circa September, 2001. By 2002/2003 it was apparent that it was no longer the case.
This Specialips Hutchinson joined in 2007. She has no excuse.

The other person who had similar circumstances (Google Lisa Pagan) was white, and got off. Are we seeing a pattern here?

They need cooks at Fort Leavenworth too.

First of all, how long was this woman in the service? I don't recall seeing that in the article. Was she in the service prior to having her child?

Secondly, I fail to see the importance of assissinating the character of this woman's mother. Have you ever done day care?? It's an emotional demanding job...and it is draining especially when one is older.

As stated in the article, another case of a woman refusing to be deployed was not treated in the same manner as this woman is. Wonder why?

Secondly, I fail to see the importance of assissinating the character of this woman's mother. Have you ever done day care?? It's an emotional demanding job...and it is draining especially when one is older.

#30 | Posted by Lisa at 2010-01-14 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag

We're talking about her grandchild here, not somebody else's booger eater. If she can find the time to care for 14 strangers, she can handle her own grandchild.

Comparing this case to some other case is not a good way to go about it. Different situations, different commanders, different circumstances.
Did the "white" lady go through her chain of command? Did she just not show up as this e4 did? Did she claim to have this taken care of and then days before deployment fuck things up?

Pretending the military in general, and the army specifically treats this different because she's black is absurd. They deal with baby mamma's all of the time.

I'm a former NCO so I'm somewhat predisposed to think you blowing sunshine up some asses here but even at that your statement seems pretty broad brush.

You must have been an NCO years ago. I have 220+ soldiers forward deployed to afghanistan under my command. I have NO reason to blow smoke anywhere. Yes, I encourage them to have more than one plan. I need every soldier I have and dont need family drama when it comes time to deploy. IBM can deal with issues such as this. In the military, you cant say no when it comes time to do your duty. Those that want to say no, need to GET OUT. It's not your choice when to deploy.

Dishonorable discharge? Wow, that's harsh. How about a General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions, instead?

And that is usually the case, unless it can be proven that she is intentionally trying to avoid deployment, which may be the case here.

Do you have 'issues', MSGT?

Did your mom not show you love?

#16 | Posted by BetelG

Don't be a dipshit bet. She signed up for the duty and should not be allowed to skate. Why should she be any different than any other soldier?

Pretending the military in general, and the army specifically treats this different because she's black is absurd.

I must agree.

She signed up for the duty and should not be allowed to skate. Why should she be any different than any other soldier?

Liberals like to quit stuff, they are good at that...

I'm sorry boaz, I keep forgetting that not all are LOYAL Americans and live up to their comitments.

It is quite obvious that the only reason she didn't want to be deployed is that she is sick and tired of cooking for white people with attitudes.She would rather cook soul food in the ghetto for her peeps

"First of all, how long was this woman in the service? I don't recall seeing that in the article. Was she in the service prior to having her child?"

That was my first question, then I realized it doesn't matter. Either way, she knew what commitment she was making when she joined the armed forces. When you join the military, you are making certain commitments that if you fail to meet will result in the loss of your freedom. This the main reason most of us have never seriously considered it. If she had the kid first, then she should have thought about this before she signed up. If she joined the military first then she should have realized that she was in no position to care for a child and used contraception.

I'm actually pretty surprised that the women on this thread seem to be defending her. I would think the feminist position would be that she acted wrong and should be sent to jail just like they would if a man refused to deploy. If she is given special treatment as if what she's doing is somewhat "unavoidable" then this is a legitimate example anyone who opposes women in the military can point to when they say women are not fit to serve. If this is truely an example of an unavoidable, no-fault situation, then women really do have no business joining the military.

Who's going to watch the child while she is in the brig?

The state!

Where is the father? Does she even know or care?

101:

My intention was not one to say the military treated white women differently than black women. I asked a question wondering why the difference. It was a sincere question. I wanted to know. But thanks for assigning a position to me I didn't have!

Liberals like to quit stuff, they are good at that...

Especially in Alaska.

A lot real fine examples of humanity here

"Don't be a dipshit bet. She signed up for the duty and should not be allowed to skate. Why should she be any different than any other soldier?

#33 | Posted by Sniper"

Snippy, because she is supposedly doing it for the child's welfare. Doesn't the bible teach you compassion or did you just use the Mary Magdalin parables for jerk off material?

Liberals like to quit stuff, they are good at that...

#35 | Posted by boaz

Sarah Palin, the quitter, is a liberal? Who knew!

awww Nice job #42 Silver beat me to it!

Snippy, because she is supposedly doing it for the child's welfare.

#44 | Posted by furio

So........ I could get out of going to Viet Nam by finding a little child and then say, I won't go because of the kid? Right!!!!!!!

She signed up for the 6 years and she belongs to the army for that time. If she was worring about the child she should have went to work for Tiger.

"So........ I could get out of going to Viet Nam by finding a little child and then say, I won't go because of the kid? Right!!!!!!!"

Asshole having a dependent child was a draft deferment in Vietnam. So was being a college boy. Get a clue you fucking little poser.

Poor Furryhole, always menstruating.

"Poor Furryhole, always menstruating.

#49 | Posted by wisgod"

Hi PisBoy, how is your Chewbacca doing?

Hi PisBoy, how is your Chewbacca doing?

#50 | Posted by furio

If I could understand Retard, I'd answer your question, Furry.

Skip the criminal charges, make sure she has a DISHONORABLE Discharge and send her on her way.

Just Refuse to Go and Save Yourself!!!

Just say Fuk "Criminal" Wall St - Fuk "Criminal" Big Oil and Fuk the "Criminal" US Military!!!

I thought it was interesting that the mother said she couldn't handle the child, but she runs a day care center out of her home with 14 other children. Seems like she could have dropped one of the other 14 to make room. After all it was her grandchild. I didn't have kids when I was in, but do now, so I can only imagine how hard it is to leave you children for a deployment. Shitty situation however you look at it.

Sorry, no excuse. where's her baby's father? Maybe he should take care of the baby.

"Liberals like to quit stuff, they are good at that..."

Hey bozo...go fuck yerself.

Liberals like to quit stuff, they are good at that...

Who knew Sarah Palin was a liberal?

The things you learn here every single day.... astounding.

Funny, I did not see her political orientation in the article... just how did you divine that nugget of wisdom?

I keep forgetting that not all are LOYAL Americans and live up to their comitments.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-01-14 11:23 AM | Reply

Like bailing on the voters that elected you 2/3's of the way through your term so you can become a paid analyst on Fox.