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Tuesday, January 12, 2010

The first step to legalize marijuana in California could happen Tuesday.

Lawmakers will vote on Assembly Bill 390 -- legislation to tax and regulate marijuana. The assembly's Public Safety Committee is expected to vote after a hearing that begins at 9 a.m. hearing.

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$50 tax per ounce

LOL
Piss Off!

"$50 tax per ounce"

That's not unreasonable, for an ounce costing $350-400 at Cali dispensaries. It's probably a lower percentage than cigarette taxes.

In other good news...

UPDATE: The Assembly's Public Safety Committee has passed the marijuana legalization bill by a vote of 4 - 3!

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The article says you can "possess, grow, and smoke".

The $50 would be for each ounce sold, so just grow, possess, and smoke your own!

That's not unreasonable

The price isn't the problem, it's the hypocrisy. The government has been preaching to me about the dangers and consequences of a plant my whole life. They've ran commercials accusing me of being like Osama bin Laden. They have arrested me. They have imprisoned millions of my countrymen. They have ruined families.

Now they are broke and want to "regulate and tax" me...

Yes, they can piss off.

On some other thread we have people calling for the government to get in the pussy binness and tax whores. I mean, wtf? Once vice becomes a government windfall, we're all fucked.

"Yes, they can piss off."

Well, there's no chance of legalization without taxation. End of story.

End of story

Maybe not. I guess it'll depend on how easily the rest of America rolls over?

Besides, most cannabis sales (even in dispensary states) are blackmarket. Nobody is bringing a 10-99 to dude's house.

"Regulate and tax" comes with strings. We are already seeing the rise of the cannabis industry here in Cali. The big boys like Oaksterdam want to secure market share and they will shape laws to suit them, not growers, patients, or especially recreational users. It is already happening. If we ask for cannabis to start acting like 'big business' we'll get what we ask for. And I don't think you will like it.

The government should just apologize and get out of the way.

"Besides, most cannabis sales (even in dispensary states) are blackmarket"

Well they won't be after legalization. Most people are going to want to purchase their cannabis at a clean, well-lighted place, not from street dealers, even if they have to pay a tax.

"The government should just apologize and get out of the way."

I agree, but I live in the real world. That's not going to happen. Incrementalism is working. The vote today was historic. First vote for re-legalization since 1913.

Well they won't be after legalization.

..and the Zen Master says, "we'll see".

But is that what you want, a few large commercial growers controlling the industry?

If a tax is the carrot, I want the stick.

Think about this:
Say a grower has a good 10 week strain --pretty common. Under 'regulate and tax' his product has to be tax-stamped like any other commodity and thrown in with everyone else's before it goes to a "legal" bulk buyer like a dispensary. So if the strain he grows takes 10 weeks to fully mature, expect the last 10/14/17 days to be ripening. At 8 weeks it weighs the same as it will at 10 weeks. Only a well-trained eye could tell the difference. What incentive does any grower have to produce mature weed? He won't get paid more (there will be a traded price like wheat or corn or soybeans). Even if the buyer wanted to pay more, how would they set the value in a market where one's own personal taste determines quality? For the grower it is much better to save the 2-3 weeks and produce an extra crop over 12 months. The bulk buyer doesn't care, he ain't smoking it. And the consumer doesn't have any other choice, unless he wants to buy off the street, tax free.

What happens when the rich commercial growers can't compete in quality with the 'farmers market'? Do you think big-business will roll over or set industry 'standards' that squeeze out the little guy?

We eat tomatoes that were picked green a month ago and gas-treated. We eat bananas that were picked green, floated half way across the globe, and refrigerated until 'ripe'. What in the world --excuse me, the "real world"-- makes you think cannabis will get treated any different by the suits that will take over once the government, in all its wisdom, "regulates" the market?

"What in the world --excuse me, the "real world"-- makes you think cannabis will get treated any different by the suits that will take over once the government, in all its wisdom, "regulates" the market?"

Even if everything you say is true, and that's debatable, I'm more interested in people having access and not going to jail than the profits of growers.

"But is that what you want, a few large commercial growers controlling the industry?"

Of course not. I would expect as much diversity and quality as Cali's wine industry.

I'm more interested in people having access and not going to jail

I wasn't aware Californians were currently having a problem accessing quality, legal herb?

Read the "historic" bill, null. Tell me how in any way it will address either of your concerns. It isn't just a tax on sold ounces. It is huge licienceing procedure/fee that basicly makes sure no one will be able to grow in their home for personal use. It is an effort to FORCE all users to buy from ONLY approved sources who must jump through hoops to get approved.

So much for "diversity", every calyx in Cali will come from one of a handfull of armed-guard warehouses.

"background checks"--opps, DJ Short just lost his licience, no more blueberry, no more Flo.

How many of the topshlef growers that provide your 'clean well-lit' weed do you think will have to go back underground if felons can't grow?The "security" provision alone will end 90% of outdoor fields that are currently acceptable to local LEO.

Well, there's no chance of legalization without taxation. End of story.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian

Tax it at 100%, I say. It's still gonna be cheaper than what most people pay now. Instaed of 50/oz make it 100/oz. I would even shell out 200/oz for some premo buddage.

BTW, the measure passed but it will die on the vine because the second committee will not hear it until it expires.

"I wasn't aware Californians were currently having a problem accessing quality, legal herb?"

You've been misinformed, as have many from reading stories about LA. The larger geographical area of California, most cities and most counties, don't have any dispensaries at all, and many have passed ordinances outlawing them.

" Tell me how in any way it will address either of your concerns. "

Those are your concerns, not mine. You seem more concerned about the profits of current growers than legalization.

You've been misinformed

LOL
OK

As if access to dank and a local dispensary aren't mutually exclusive in a state that provides a minimum limit of 6 mature plants and 8 ounces.

Anywho, I live on the North Coast and have never even been to LA. If ya'll are having problems take a short drive up one of our scenic highways. When you see a scruffy, hippie-looking fella hitch hiking, pick him up, he needs a ride.

Problem solved.

"$50 tax per ounce"

Hmmm me thinks that pot just went up about say $50 an ounce.

As if access to dank and a local dispensary aren't mutually exclusive in a state that provides a minimum limit of 6 mature plants and 8 ounces.

sad...

In Humboldt Co. the limit is 99 plants and you can carry 3 pounds.

Those are your concerns, not mine

No, you said you were concerned about access and immunity. So how will this bill provide either of those to a greater degree than the '96 referendum?

" So how will this bill "

You have a better bill? Go ahead and pass it. Start an initiative. My priority is legalization. Keeping people out of jail. Getting Mexican cartels out of California forests. Your priorities seem to be something else.

Go ahead and pass it

We already have: Prop 215, The Compassionate Use Act of 1996. Allows anyone with the good sense of a mule to get a prescription for cannabis. No tax. No state approval of grow sites/growers. No advantage to huge commercial operations.

Are you going to continue to deflect or are you going to eventually point out something "historic" in this going-nowhere bill?

"Allows anyone with the good sense of a mule to get a prescription for cannabis. "

Are you in favor of legalization or not?

Cannabis is legal in California. I'm for not mucking with that.

"Cannabis is legal in California. "

You need to put down the bong. People get arrested every day for marijuana possession in California. But who cares, as long as the growers are raking it in.

Are you in favor of legalization or not?

#20 | Posted by nullifidian

People get arrested every day for marijuana possession in California

Maybe they aren't following the straightfoward rules? Do you have something specific I can comment on?

It doesn't matter how far we push the boundries of legality, somebody somewhere will go over the limit....I thought you were in the "real world"? Even this "historic" bill puts restrictions on when, where, how......cannibis will never be totaly unregulated. Cars are legal, but you can go to jail if you operate one outside the rules.

Are you going to continue to deflect or are you going to eventually point out something "historic" in this going-nowhere bill?

#19 | Posted by BluSky

You need to put down the bong.

That seems like something douchelover2 would say and expect applause. As someone who has respect for you and your point of view, you can fuck off with that shite.

I'm off to play some Forza. Maybe I can do that and the bong at the same time.

#26 | Posted by BluSky

Relax. I always say that sarcastically, to mock the cliche mongers around here. In any event, it's clear that I'm in favor of full legalization and you're not, for whatever reason, and there's not much more to say about it.

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A plant guy, Blusky? No pun intended (given the title of the thread).

"You need to put down the bong."

That seems like something douchelover2 would say and expect applause. As someone who has respect for you and your point of view, you can fuck off with that shite.
I'm off to play some Forza. Maybe I can do that and the bong at the same time.
#26 | Posted by BluSky at 2010-01-12 08:57 PM

You absolutely should. When I used to come home from work stressed-out I'd unwind to a driving sim. As I skate through every Wipeout without touching anything or anyone, one person would unwrap and feed me chocolate while another loaded the pre-chilled bong - stoned off my ass in first-person perspective laying flat on the ground it's much easier to relax and let the game play. I badly want an open-source photo-realistic motion base driving sim before Sony makes theirs with added bloodsport to attract the idiots and invent more bad drivers. They cater to drunks.

To be clear - "Should load the bong and play the sim.":]

LOL, have fun with all the tourists.

You have to be high to vote for Pelosi and Boxer so this sounds about right.

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