Crybaby had to be just like his hypocritical "daddy" rushaddict who called for ALL drug abusers to be incarcerated. Except himself of course.

What's good for the goose...

WTF? I thought these were tax problems that just surfaced, not problems over the past years. From the article:

"So what to make, then, of the fact that Beck has had his own minor tax problems over the past few years?"

So Beck, guilty of the same stuff, condemns other for it?

Fuck him.

This should only matter to those who ever took Glennda seriously to begin with.

Oh wait...that's the Tea Party, isn't it?

Funny that no of the posters here who refer to Geithner as a "tax cheat" have shown up to defend Beck, considering Beck may be responsible for coining the term.

#5 | Posted by taxman

I feel sorry for you so I'll bite. The article doesn't seem clear. It appears to be about current fiscal year city, state taxes, unemployment and Workman's comp. If you are a taxman you know how complicated this is. It appears they are continually having to make corrections. INMO it's not the same thing as filing a fraudulent tax return with the IRS.

"It appears to be about current fiscal year..."

Reread the article. It contains the phrase "over the past few years".

If it were only about the current fiscal year, the taxing entity wouldn't even know about it.

"it's not the same thing as filing a fraudulent tax return with the IRS."

But Beck has used the term "tax cheat" when describing these things.

INMO it's not the same thing as filing a fraudulent tax return with the IRS.

And no one of those people accused of being a tax cheat by Beck have been accused of fraud either.

Beck/Geitner. A toss up on who is the bigger destructive force.

"Beck & Co suggest it is "conservative" to create a VAT tax[Beck] or national sales tax[o'reilly] on Americans."

Of course. Rich conservatives always believe in regressive taxes, since they fuck the poorest over the worst.

Was Beck appointed to run the Treasury?

No?

Then who gives a shit if he's a tax cheat? I don't think conservatives' problem with Geithner is that he didn't pay his taxes, it's the fact that such nonpayment so directly conflicts with the core of his duties as head of the Treasury. The same can't be said for a moron like Glenn Beck.

"Then who gives a shit if he's a tax cheat?"

Only those concerned about hypocrisy.

"The same can't be said for a moron like Glenn Beck."

Not the same, but it's legitimate to point it out if he's guilty of the same infractions he's condemning others for doing.

it's legitimate to point it out if he's guilty of the same infractions he's condemning others for doing.

Again - condemning someone for being a tax cheat when they are appointed to run the US Treasury does not mean you have condemned all tax cheats. It means you have pointed out the incompetence of giving someone the job of running the organization that collects taxes in the United States when he himself does not pay his taxes. If Beck were appointed to run the Treasury or do something like it, you'd have a point.

Was Beck appointed to run the Treasury?

It isn't just Geithner he called a tax cheat. I do have problems with Geithner's tax issues, but he isn't a tax cheat. Plus, this is just proof that the Teabaggers/Libertarians are led by hypocritical morons.

Yeah, because Beck "runs" the Libertarians. What a moronic thing to say. Do you do anything but troll anymore?

And I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Beck is a hypocrite. If I don't want a tax cheat running the US Treasury and I say something about it, am I a hypocrite because as a private citizen I didn't pay some city taxes? Unless I have applied for the job as head of the Treasury, I would not be a hypocrite. You might want to look up the word.

Where did I say he runs the Libertarians? He is looked for guidance by Libertarians and thus is in a position of leadership. Reading is fundemental.

#10 danf
Of course. Rich conservatives always believe in regressive taxes, since they fuck the poorest over the worst.

Despite your partisan blabbering, if you were honest you would have admitted that this is not "conservatism".

If I don't want a tax cheat running the US Treasury and I say something about it, am I a hypocrite because as a private citizen I didn't pay some city taxes?

Not wanting him serving as Treas. Sec. will not make you a hyprocrite, but calling him a tax cheat when does in this situation - unless of course Beck refers to his mistakes as cheating.

"I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Beck is a hypocrite."

Condemning others for doing what he does?

You're joking, right?

Take out that "when". I hate stupid blackberrys.

#15 joe
Yeah, because Beck "runs" the Libertarians.

No, Beck runs a wing of his own that dress up as "libertarians" but have no clue what it really means. Beck pays lip service to libertarianism, then perverts it.

So Beck, guilty of the same stuff, condemns other for it?

Beck fits in with the rest of the wing ding "don't do as I do, do as I say" crowd.

No different than any of the other self proclaimed "hawks" on the right that are doing themselves what they decry publicly.

"...if you were honest you would have admitted that this is not "conservatism"."

Riiiiiiight. "Conservatism" would've slashed taxes for the wealthiest, and taken surpluses and turned them into deficits.

My bad.

if you were honest you would have admitted that this is not "conservatism".

But it is what passes for conservatism these days in the GNOP.

Condemning others for doing what he does?

You're joking, right?

You're retarded, right? Read post #13.

"Read post #13."

I did.

You need to look up the definition of hypocrite, dumbshit.

Again - condemning someone for being a tax cheat when they are appointed to run the US Treasury does not mean you have condemned all tax cheats.

Did you read the article? I mean I can understand not reading the whole 2 pages, but goddamn it man, it was the first paragraph....

No one has been less forgiving than Glenn Beck when it comes to Democrats with tax problems. Not just the well-known ones like Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner but also less serious ones such as Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, whose husband only recently paid off $6,400 in tax liens on his auto repair business, and Nancy Killefer, who withdrew her nomination to be White House chief performance officer, citing a $946.69 tax lien on her Washington home.

When did Beck pretend to have virtues? Saying a tax cheat isn't fit to run the Treasury is not akin to saying "I pay my taxes."

"When did Beck pretend to have virtues?"

Are the goalposts heavy when you move them from "hypocrite" to "virtues"?

Can't wait for Overbite to start in on Beck too...

That'd be the pot called the kettle light skinned.

Are the goalposts heavy when you move them from "hypocrite" to "virtues"?

You just defined the term "hypocrite" as "one who pretends to have virtues." I asked when Beck pretended to have virtues (i.e. when did he make himself a "hypocrite" under your own definition?). Perhaps you should read before you post.

"Perhaps you should read before you post."

Perhaps you should read definition #2.

I would love to meet you in a courtroom some day. You're easier to run circles around than my ex-wife's divorce lawyer.

Yeah, because it makes a whole lot of sense to read definition #2 and comment on it rather than definition #1. Talk about moving the goalposts. If you can't handle your own definition #1 and reply to my response, then perhaps you shouldn't have posted it.

When was Beck/O'Reilly's rant? It was during Copenhagen summit. So what is the real reason for the tax proposals by Beck/O'Reilly?

Saying a tax cheat isn't fit to run the Treasury is not akin to saying "I pay my taxes."

No but calling him a tax cheat as a result of mistakes resulting in underpayment, when you yourself have made mistakes and underpaid, does - unless of course, you are willing to call yourself a tax cheat as well.

And don't forget, this isn't just about Geithner, Beck referred to other nominees who made mistakes resulting in underpayment as "tax cheats" as well.

"Yeah, because it makes a whole lot of sense to read definition #2 and comment on it rather than definition #1.

Too funny, pretending that your choice of definition #1 is the only possible applicable one, and that #2 should be discarded entirely. That's like arguing that "stroke" doesn't mean a swing in golf, because some other definition references a medical condition.

Watching you squirm when you know you're wrong is worth the price of admission.

as a result of mistakes resulting in underpayment

Most would argue that Geithner did more than "make mistakes." If you think his failure to pay self-employment taxes after acknowledging his obligation to do so was an honest mistake, good for you. It must be nice to be that naive.

Too funny, pretending that your choice of definition #1 is the only possible applicable one

Nobody pretended that. You posted a definition of the term "hypocrite." The very first one was "someone who pretends to have virtues." I asked, "when did Beck pretend to have virtues?" and you accused me of "moving the goalposts." You're the one who created that goalpost. Sorry if you don't like it.

BTW, Danforth, your definition #2 doesn't necessarily describe Beck either, unless he ripped Geithner for being a tax cheat simply because he was a tax cheat, and not because of the inherent conflict in his being appointed to run the US Treasury. The timeline of when Beck started to rip Geithner might answer that question for you.

I stood upon a high place,
And saw, below, many devils
Running, leaping,
and carousing in sin.
One looked up, grinning,
And said, "Comrade! Brother!"

-Stephen Crane

"You posted a definition of the term "hypocrite.""

And you ignored the applicable one.

Are you allowed to do that in law? If there are two clauses, are you allowed to say, but Judge, my client didn't break the first section?

You're a riot.

If you think his failure to pay self-employment taxes after acknowledging his obligation to do so was an honest mistake, good for you.

The IRS didn't accuse him of criminal or fraudulent wrongdoing, only negligence. Watching you in this thread is like watching that kid in little leaugue who couldn't hit, so all the parents could say is "good swing, Joe."

"BTW, Danforth, your definition #2 doesn't necessarily describe Beck either"

Reread it as many times as it takes to understand condemning someone for not paying taxes "feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements."

I hope you have a better understanding of law than you do of definitions.

Are you allowed to do that in law?

Since when is this website "law?" or comparable thereto? Further, if you choose to define a term and tell someone they are misunderstanding that term, should you not be bound by the definition you gave? Can you do that in law too?

The IRS didn't accuse him of criminal or fraudulent wrongdoing, only negligence.

Who cares? I'm asking whether you think his failure to pay self-employment taxes after acknowledging his obligation to do so was an honest mistake, not what the IRS decided to think. Again - if you think it was, good for you.

Reread it as many times as it takes to understand condemning someone for not paying taxes "feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements."

Re-read this as many times as it takes to understand: "unless he ripped Geithner for being a tax cheat simply because he was a tax cheat, and not because of the inherent conflict in his being appointed to run the US Treasury, [he is not a hypocrite]. The timeline of when Beck started to rip Geithner might answer that question for you."

Good swing, Joe.

It's obvious you haven't reread the definition enough. Better luck next time.

Here's a question for you, Danforth:

Let's say I don't pay my taxes. The next day Tim Geithner is appointed head of the US Treasury. I speak up and say "I don't want a tax cheat running the US Treasury."

Am I a hypocrite under any of your definitions?

Let's say I condemn others for not paying their taxes, and I don't pay my taxes.

That would make me a hypocrite.

Beck didn't just say it about Geithner, though it's funny you've yet to admit that.

Good swing, Joe.

Nice non-answer. Have you considered running for public office?

I'm asking whether you think his failure to pay self-employment taxes after acknowledging his obligation to do so was an honest mistake

His underpayment of self-employment taxes was based on the advice of an accountant, so yes, it was a mistake. He relied on the advice of a professional. His acknowledgement of the taxes due came after an audit. That's generally how the system works. Someone takes a position and the IRS doesn't agree, or someone isn't aware of a reporting obligation. That doesn't necessarily make one a tax cheat, it means one has made mistakes, just like Glenn Beck and so many other have.

Good night, dudes.

"Nice non-answer."

Coming from you, who won't even admit Beck is a hypocrite? You, who won't even acknowledge Beck condemned others besides Geithner?

Good swing, Joe.

Off to work.

His acknowledgement of the taxes due came after an audit

No, it didn't. He signed an employment agreement at least once (possibly more) wherein he acknowledged his duty to pay self-employment taxes.

Coming from you, who won't even admit Beck is a hypocrite?

I won't concede the entire discussion we're having, and somehow that makes me incapable of calling you on your non-answer? There's a good one.

Beck has been audited three times by the 'wonderful' IRS. Whenever someone runs a very profitable business that has conflits with the government, of course audits and tax problems will arise. Remember the tax code is over 60000 pages long, most of which is intended to suck capital from businesses. Hello, ever noticed that huge book of rules at bookstores during tax time? I work for a multinational conglomerate. We have ten employees (at Corporate for this one small piece of the conglomerate) just to keep the tax man sorta happy. Guess what, the IRS is never happy with a business that makes money.

From article 'So what to make, then, of the fact that Beck has had his own minor tax problems over the past few years?'

Tim and company have been forgetting to include nannies and rental property for years. Those aren't minor issues.

"I won't concede the entire discussion we're having"

You treat the debate like it's a legal proceeding. Even if you're wrong you keep arguing your case, even when definitions proving you wrong are proffered. The textbook definition #2 all but has a picture of Glenn Beck next to it, but instead of conceding his obvious hypocrisy, you repeatedly pretend a) Geithner was the only one tarred by Beck, and b) if one definition doesn't fit 100%, you can ignore the one that does.

In a court, a judge would laugh at you, and you wouldn't be able to continue down a debunked path. Here, several others laugh at you, and you keep going as if you don't have to adhere to simple things like definitions. Ultimately, when someone condemns "tax cheats", they "feign(s) some desirable or publicly approved attitude", i.e., paying one's taxes., and then when he doesn't pay taxes himself, he becomes "one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements". That fits the textbook definition.

There's no shame in being wrong. But to pretend you can ignore one definition, because not all the other definitions apply, is silly. As is your refusal to acknowledge Beck made the charge against others besides Geithner.

"Beck has been audited three times by the 'wonderful' IRS."

If he had been truthful the first two, they wouldn't have legally been able to audit him the third time; that's considered taxpayer harassment. It's only because they found repeated mistakes by -- wait for it -- the "tax cheat", they could proceed a third time. In my experience, ONE "golden ticket" (a "no change" letter) precludes a second audit.

You treat the debate like it's a legal proceeding.

You are the only person who keeps bringing up "legal proceedings," "courtrooms," "clients," "divorce lawyers," and whether one is "allowed to [use a particular argumentative tactic] in law." Are you interested in legitimate debate or are you a troll? Your choice.

and b) if one definition doesn't fit 100%, you can ignore the one that does.

I've argued that neither of them do. I believe Beck's criticism of Geithner was based on the decision to appoint a tax cheat to head the US Treasury, not on the basis that he was a tax cheat only. If Beck was out there ripping tax cheats just because they were tax cheats, he'd have thousands of Americans to rip on a daily basis. That he chose to rip Geithner and possibly others entrusted with taxpayer money or the allocation thereof means he was pointing out those peoples' hypocrisy, and was not pretending that paying taxes in and of itself is some sort of virtuous behavior.

Funny that no of the posters here who refer to Geithner as a "tax cheat" have shown up to defend Beck, considering Beck may be responsible for coining the term.

Why would the 2 of these things be related? Isn't cheating on your taxes wrong even if somebody else does it too? That is how it works in my mind. Secondly, I think it is a little more serious when we have a proven tax cheat running the US treasury vs. having a tax cheat that spews nonsense on Fox News.

His underpayment of self-employment taxes was based on the advice of an accountant, so yes, it was a mistake. He relied on the advice of a professional. His acknowledgement of the taxes due came after an audit. That's generally how the system works. Someone takes a position and the IRS doesn't agree, or someone isn't aware of a reporting obligation. That doesn't necessarily make one a tax cheat, it means one has made mistakes, just like Glenn Beck and so many other have.

#54 | Posted by taxman

Tax--it wasn't like that for the rat man...

What accountant? You mean TURBO TAX?? lol

And it only came to him attention when he was being vetted for UST job. Then he paid the taxes on his earnings--and blamed Turbo Tax!!!

Come on! Did you see him on c-span? He was a joke!

And he wouldn't correct the following year until the IRS told him--knowing he was wrong.

As his classification of employee, the rat man knew how the taxes worked--yet he chose to ignore them until he was caught. They give those employees the explanation and what they are supposed to claim for earnings.

As for Beck--he needs a better firm to keep track of all his crap.

"Are you interested in legitimate debate or are you a troll? "

Are you a moron? I've tried to engage in a debate, and you're resorting to that? In a legitimate debate, a definition would end the controversy. Here, it's just another reason for you to obfuscate. If you still can't admit Beck is a hypocrite, after the textbook definition practically draws his picture, you're a jagoff.

"I've argued that neither of them do."

And word for word, you've been proven wrong.

"I believe Beck's criticism of Geithner was based on the decision to appoint a tax cheat to head the US Treasury"

And there you go again, pretending Geithner was the only target of Beck's tarring. If nothing else, your total avoidance of all Beck's other "tax cheats" shows your argument's shallowness.

So squirm away. If you had any credence at all, you'd admit the obvious and move on. By pretending the textbook definition doesn't apply, you're just looking more ridiculous with each post. Typical.

"As for Beck--he needs a better firm to keep track of all his crap."

So Geithner is guilty, but Beck just needs a better firm?

Cough...cough...HACK!

you're resorting to that?
Are you a moron?...you're a jagoff.

Priceless.

And word for word, you've been proven wrong.

Declaring that doesn't make it so. Post #62 sets forth a legitimate argument for Beck not being a hypocrite (i.e. that the US Treasurer and others entrusted with taxpayer money or the allocation thereof should be held to a higher standard when it comes to paying taxes, and that ripping them for not doing so is not akin to stating that paying taxes is some sort of virtuous behavior that all people should do). You are either unable or unwilling to respond to this argument. Kid yourself that you have proven anyone wrong "word for word," but you aren't kidding anyone else.

there you go again, pretending Geithner was the only target

No. That's why I said " Geithner and possibly others entrusted with taxpayer money or the allocation thereof." Can you read?

By pretending the textbook definition doesn't apply

The "textbook" definition of your choosing, when you realized that your own definition #1 created an untenable position.

Like you said, squirm away. If you had any credence at all, you'd admit the obvious and move on.

If I don't want a tax cheat running the US Treasury and I say something about it, am I a hypocrite because as a private citizen I didn't pay some city taxes?

Yes.

By definition complaining about a fault in someone else that you also posses is hypocrisy.

Thanx fer askin'.

NOT a big fan of Geithner by any stretch of the imagination, btw.

Just sayin'.

Be Well.

BTW, Danforth, your definition #2 doesn't necessarily describe Beck either, unless he ripped Geithner for being a tax cheat simply because he was a tax cheat, and not because of the inherent conflict in his being appointed to run the US Treasury. The timeline of when Beck started to rip Geithner might answer that question for you.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2010-01-12 05:07 PM | Reply

Damn your stupid. Throw out Geitner... Beck rippied other appointees as "Tax Cheats", one for as little at $900. And then did the exact same thing they did. That is the definition of hypocrite.
one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

You better go work for Legalzoom.com.

Damn your stupid.

Priceless.

Beck rippied other appointees as "Tax Cheats"

Again: Ripping the US Treasurer and others entrusted with taxpayer money or the allocation thereof is not akin to stating that paying taxes is some sort of virtuous behavior that all people should do.

Damn, you're stupid.

Hey Stupid....

tell us how

Nancy Killefer, who withdrew her nomination to be White House chief performance officer,

is "entrusted" with public money.

God you are dum.

tell us how Nancy Killefer, who withdrew her nomination to be White House chief performance officer, is "entrusted" with public money.

Chief Performance Officer of the United States (CPO) is a position in the Office of Management and Budget (within the Executive Office of the President of the United States). The new post concentrates on the federal budget and government reform.

Arguably this person is entrusted with the allocation of taxpayer money as they are likely making recommendations as to how to structure the budget.

Any other stupid questions?

I've argued that neither of them do. I believe Beck's criticism of Geithner was based on the decision to appoint a tax cheat to head the US Treasury, not on the basis that he was a tax cheat only. If Beck was out there ripping tax cheats just because they were tax cheats, he'd have thousands of Americans to rip on a daily basis. That he chose to rip Geithner and possibly others entrusted with taxpayer money or the allocation thereof means he was pointing out those peoples' hypocrisy, and was not pretending that paying taxes in and of itself is some sort of virtuous behavior.

OK, I have like two seconds, but couldn't let this slide. This is complete horse shit. This wasn't Beck's point at all and it is easy to determine that by reading transcripts of his shows. His point is that these people are "tax cheats" because they made mistakes which resulted in underpayments of tax. He has stated further that they get away with it because they are liberals. It has nothing to do with "being entrusted with taxpayer money". You just came up with that because it is the only way you bullshit argument works. Give it up, and stop making excuses for him. He fucked up, and accused people of being tax cheats, when he in fact has made similar mistakes which resulted in his underpayment of taxes. He therefore falls under his own defintion of "tax cheat" and unless he refers to himself as a tax cheat, as well, he is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

Finally, I would like to point out that under his defnition, Sarah Palin would be a "tax cheat". Has he called her out yet?

You have dipped into Briar Rabbit mode, Joe. Stop punching at the "tar baby" you are just getting stuck.

OK off for the day. Have a great one!

PS LANE KIFFIN HAS BRASS BALLS

PPS: Colt McCoy proposed to his girlfriend on UT's football field last night. I am surprised he didn't bite his tounge, head to the locker room and let Gilbert do the proposing for him.

#73 Asterisk must still be painful.

"It has nothing to do with "being entrusted with taxpayer money"

Says who? You?

Oh, okay. My bad.

Tell me which tax cheats Beck has condemned that aren't running the Treasury or otherwise entrusted with public funds or the allocation thereof. If he's only condemning tax cheats for being tax cheats, there should be at least one.

God you are dum.

#71 | Posted by 726 at 2010-01-13 10:24 AM | Reply

If that was some attempt at pretending your "your dumb" was on purpose, you failed.

Who in their right mind doesn't understand that people working in the Obama Admin are held to a higher standard than anyone else in regards to paying taxes? They are supposed to be the best and the brightest, they're being paid with taxpayer money, they're going to be spending the tax money they have failed to pay.

Joe continually beats you guys like drums, and ALWAYS uses Danforth's tactics against him, which makes Danforth (I) spot his panties.

It seems Chairborne can't seem to read a definition either.

It seems Chairborne can't seem to read a definition either.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2010-01-13 11:57 AM | Reply

Simple question which requires a simple yes or no:

Would Glenn Beck fall under his definitions of tax cheat?

I will check back in after afternoon meeting.

"If you had any credence at all, you'd admit the obvious and move on"

Priceless.

Would Glenn Beck fall under his definitions of tax cheat?

Yes. Is Glenn Beck the head of the US Treasury, or otherwise entrusted with taxpayer money or the allocation thereof? No.

Your question presupposes that Beck rips tax cheats simply because they are tax cheats, and not subject to the condition in my question above. If that is the case, feel free to name a tax cheat Beck has ripped who does not meet the condition.

Beck stated this morning that he got audited by the IRS. When it was complete he did not owe any money. That's not the way Tim Geithner's audit came out.

Yes.

Thank you. He has made a point of calling out "liberal tax cheats." The condition of being entrusted is not pertinent to him - being a liberal and someone who has a tax deficiency are his stated conditions. Whatever conditions you want to come up with are yours.

The condition of being entrusted is not pertinent to him - being a liberal and someone who has a tax deficiency are his stated conditions

There are plenty of liberals in America who have tax deficiencies. Why does he only rip those who are head of the US Treasury or entrusted with public funds or the allocation thereof?

Why does he only rip those who are head of the US Treasury or entrusted with public funds or the allocation thereof?

Because it generates ratings.

Oh. Well as long as you know what goes on inside Glenn Beck's head, this discussion can come to an end.

Keep flailing.

Oh look, 726 is back. Any response to post #72?