How sweet it is......

I smell a liberal conspiracy to get all conservatives to convert to Amish-ism (or whatever the hell you call it) to trick them into reducing their carbon footprints.

I smell a new religion coming.

I smell a new religion coming.

Rastafarianism?

"Rastafarianism?"

one love!!!

one life!!!

lets get together and feeeeel alright!!

I hope I look good in that black hat driving my horse and carriage.

Get yer Heat Surge NOW!

I spent some time restoring a house in Amish country last year, and found out an interesting thing. They're (most, but not all) not allowed to ride on air. It's ok off-road, but they can't even drive tractors on the highway without special steel wheels with rubber cushions and steel cleats. They consider it too vain. But, they grow good weed, so, wtf?

Weed, my friend, is a natural thing.

YES BROTHERS...
there is a new one coming and I will expect to be exempt from this boondoogle

it will be a religion dedicated to the lost and wayward who just want to spit and and gamble and scratch and drink and score with women.
so what would be a good name for this sect?

How equal is that? Isn't that in violation of the 1st amendment?

time to get pastafarianism on the rolls.

This is a good thing. It is one more example of how this plan is unconstitutional.
Guess danni, assmaster & the rest better get off their asses & form another plan.

as well as some other religious sects, are covered by a "religious conscience" exemption, which allows people with religious objections to insurance to opt out of the mandate.

Based on an assumption this is accurate, it is the best news of the day. 80% of America is now exempt.

Since when the fuck do righties care about anything being "unconstitutional" unless it involves God and guns?

Sorry atheists[zombie], don't shoot the messenger.

So, I take it both aflak and sniper can't afford the insurance. Don't worry, the government will cover you guys on welfare anyway.

Amish are proof that anarchy works.

may have been when mccain was 'selected' by east coast and new england moderates.
helped to push many conservatives into more of a libetarian style of politics where the constitution is actually followed and that goes for anyone regardless of the party.

but OBAMA Is not the answer..a better question is when did libs and dems stop worrying about that "god damn piece of paper'...........

"It is one more example of how this plan is unconstitutional"

Too funny. Is military service unconstitutional as well?

Right, they can "opt out" of any healthcare, until their kid dies from lack of medical attention...eh?

I should expand that to show that nearly all of the anabaptist sects in the US have been successful and all run under an anarchy with no gov't interference. In fact, the Amish have successfully argued their case before the Supreme Court and won.

There are no police or courts or gov't officials. There is really no punishment except to be shunned by the whole community which seems to be pretty effective for the most part.

Woke,

Then you do not understand how the Amish work. They still use modern medicine and even go to hospitals, however they all as a community pool their resources to pay for it rather than relying on gov't or insurance companies.

Great fucking news. I'm growing a beard and picking up a straw hat after work.

Have I told any of you that I have always had a strong religious objection to insurance mandates? Just wanted to get that on the record.

Woke,

Then you do not understand how the Amish work. They still use modern medicine and even go to hospitals, however they all as a community pool their resources to pay for it rather than relying on gov't or insurance companies.

#23 | Posted by richardspirit

god damned socialists!

"Great fucking news. I'm growing a beard and picking up a straw hat after work.

#24 | Posted by wisgod"

Step on it. It'll be down to 68 degrees here tomorrow and I need my Heat Surge!

they all as a community pool their resources to pay for it rather than relying on gov't or insurance companies.

BTW sounds like they are self insured

23

Not really equating those "faith healers" to the Amish, just wanted to make a point about those choosing no healthcare as an "option".

Of course, the truth seems to be that parents that allow their children to die from medical neglect, have a different set of laws applied to them than the rest of society for some strange reason.

so in case any of you were interested in joining my sect, I was pretty sure that we were going to believe in having more than one wife.

or is it one wife and all the booze you want

hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm may have to think that one over.

So how can the government FORCE us to buy insurance in the first place...?

They still use modern medicine and even go to hospitals, however they all as a community pool their resources to pay for it rather than relying on gov't or insurance companies.

#23 | Posted by richardspirit

In other words, they've already implemented universal healthcare, AND IT WORKS.

however they all as a community pool their resources to pay for it rather than relying on gov't

What's the difference between a government of/for the people and a "community pool"?

So how can the government FORCE us to buy insurance in the first place...?

#31 | Posted by micawber

They can't until the Supreme Court says so. Another pesky detail overlooked by the Community Organizer.

"What's the difference between a government of/for the people and a "community pool"?"

Politicians as the middlemen.

What's the difference between a government of/for the people and a "community pool"

Size, fairness, community standards, and control. A community pool only affects those within that community. A person in Texas is not affected by choices made in California. People in Texas will pay less if what they pay into only covers Texas rather than, say, including a state like Iowa that cannot support Texas at all and adds nothing, but profits greatly from the Texas support.

"They can't until the Supreme Court says so."

As usual, Wissy has it ass-backwards.

damn...I am feeling a little dizzy

here I am reading a kanrei post that is straight forward and readable and makes sense.
whats the name of this parallel universe??????

damn...I am feeling a little dizzy

here I am reading a kanrei post that is straight forward and readable and makes sense.

Enlightenment takes some by surprise. Just ride it out AFK. Sanity takes time for some, but you are finally coming to the light it seems.

THE AG'S of several states are still going forward with thier plans to sue over this govt intrusion into states rights.
reading an article the other day from the texas AG and he mentioned the 14th and the 5th as well as the 10th amendments being ignored.
also talked about the commerce clause..of course...which was taken completely too far out of original context by fdr on the new deal and his attempt to pack the supreme court.

and ANYTIME NOW some lib here will post the standard

"well uh duh...you have to buy car insurance" line...

(SSSSSSSSSSHHUSH lets sit back and wait)./...

"Guess danni, assmaster & the rest better get off their asses & form another plan."

Need I repeat myself? If the completely unconstitutional concept of corporate personhood was declared unconstitutional by the SC the health care reform bill would look very different than it does. Therefore the idea that the bill, virtually forced on us by corporate lobbyists, may not be constitutional is an argument which depends on the SC who have already demonstrated they have no regard for the constitution.
Thus, constitutionality is a meaningless term these days. The real question is whether or not the corporatists on the SC will allow any limits on the corporate power of the insurance industry.
I wouldn't be surprised if they decide it is constitutional due to the fact that corporate lobbyists virtually wrote the bill.

I'm all for freedom of religion but I'm also all from personal freedom.

If you are going to allow some people to opt out, you should allow all people to opt out. Why should it matter why you want to be exempted?

How is "God told me not to get insurance" any more legitimate than "I don't want insurance" as a reason not to participate?

Doesn't make any sense.

What's the difference between a government of/for the people and a "community pool"?

#32 | Posted by Whatsleft

No one is force to participate. It is not a tax or a fee it is one neighbor caring about the welfare of the other neighbor.

#19 afk
helped to push many conservatives into more of a libetarian style of politics where the constitution is actually followed

If only you knew what you were talkin about. If you were educated on the Constitution and were actually serious, you'd have to abandon the "neo-con religion" completely after honest review of the Constitutionality for declarations of war.

'corporatists on the SC '

AHHHHHH LOL
I learned a new liberal catch phrase today..

remember that clarence thomas is a DARK SKINNED NEGRO,...so I guess according to harry reid you must be right about him being evil...

thanks young lady...

Just one more violation of the Constitution.

By those that should defend it.

Traitorous, subversive bastards.

43...

not so. you just want others to reject conservatism for so called moderates because you saw that ONLY libs win under that scheme...

look at the polls...

conservatives way above libs and 'tea party' above gop and dnc.

#40 | Posted by danni
Your forgot to sneak Reagan in there somewhere, while you were ignoring the political whores known as the Democrate party that wrote the bill. (not that the repubs arn't whores as well, just in this case all the whoring is from the dems)

"in this case all the whoring is from the dems"

Too funny.

Your reality check is in the mail.

#48 | Posted by Danforth
So what repubs had a hand in the bill? What repubs are involved in the conference on CSPAN, or sorry the super secret buyouts to integrate the 2 bills. You guys just can't accept this is all about the dems, once again repubs have nothing to do with it, except that they voted in line with 64% of the country's wishes.

"So what repubs had a hand in the bill?"

Probably the ones who got over a hundred amendments into it.

"they voted in line with 64% of the country's wishes."

What a pile of bullshit. I've seen wild numbers all over the map with vast majorities in favor and vast majorities against. All that proves is the questions were more important than the answers. Ask if you want government taking over health care and you'll get one answer. Ask if you want health costs to continue to outpace inflation at 4-to-1 for another decade and you'll get another.

And could they have done that without the help of the dems, and does not matter anyway, because of the super secret buy out going on with REID and Pelosi. They will make whatever they want, it, will either pass because of dems or won't still has nothing to do with the repubs. Anyway if it was such a great bill, you should be taking credit for it, not wanting to pawn it off to the repubs.

So how can the government FORCE us to buy insurance in the first place...?
#31 | Posted by micawber
They can't until the Supreme Court says so. Another pesky detail overlooked by the Community Organizer.
#33 | Posted by wisgod

Why are people dumb... No one is forcing you to buy health insurance. You will not be arrested if you don't buy health insurance. You will pay an extra tax in case you get hurt, go bankrupt and the rest of us suckers have to pay your bill for you.

conservatives way above libs and 'tea party' above gop and dnc.
#46 | Posted by afkabl2

Only in Rasmussen where you get to vote TWICE if you feel "very strongly".

#51 | Posted by Danforth
actually you will get the same answer, it is no in both cases, dumbass.

"actually you will get the same answer, it is no in both cases, dumbass."

Which means one is in favor of health care reform, and one isn't, moron.

"if it was such a great bill, you should be taking credit for it, not wanting to pawn it off to the repubs."

Who's pawning it off? I was merely correcting your bullshit that Rs had nothing to do with it.

Just one more violation of the Constitution.
By those that should defend it.
Traitorous, subversive bastards.
#45 | Posted by gitmboy

You've never even read the Constitution... You've certainly never read anything interpreting the Constitution... Pick up a book of Supreme Court cases and get back to me.

What's the difference between a government of/for the people and a "community pool"?

#32 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2010-01-12 01:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG

The community pool is full of water. The government pool siphens off 75% of the water as a handling fee before it hits the pool, and eventually will ban everyone over 80 from swimming.

56 | Posted by Danforth

Do I want govt to controll guns, no, do I want gun costs to rise 4 to over inflation, no. That does not mean govt run health care. Damn you are stupid. Not wanting costs to rise, does not mean they want this bill. this bill is shit, and so are your deductions.

56 | Posted by Danforth
They have nothing to do with it, you are one dumb blumpkin sob.

#61 | Posted by freechoice
57 by dumbforth, sorry

"Do I want govt to controll guns, no, do I want gun costs to rise 4 to over inflation, no. That does not mean govt run health care."

WTF are you babbling about? That has nothing to do with the discussion.

Yes or no, have you seen "surveys" with folks being mostly in favor of health care reform AND "surveys" with people being mostly against it?

I'm just trying to see if you're tethered to reality.

"They have nothing to do with it"

100+ amendments is "nothing to do with it"?!?

Good God, you're a moron.

#64 | Posted by Danforth
So reid goes behind closed doors and comes out with something, and you say the repubs had something to do with it? Get some honesty and admit this a dem bill. Other wise, you are one sorry excuse for a person, who can not think for yourself at all...

#63 | Posted by Danforth
Health reform and this bill have nothing to do with eachother, that is the point you are missing. This bill is a worthless as your power to have an indpendent thought.

It is important for many on the Left, considering Obama's 20 million pay off and the bill they are now looking at versus the one they promised, to make sure people now think the right was involved so they can blame all the unpopular aspects of the bill on the right.

"and you say the repubs had something to do with it?"

Does adding 100+ amendments to the final bill constitute "having something to do with it" or not?

"Other wise, you are one sorry excuse for a person, who can not think for yourself at all..."

Posts the guy who thinks over 100 amendments are 'nothing'.

"This bill is a worthless as your power to have an indpendent thought."

You're a total moron. I'm on record against this bill. I'm merely pointing out anyone believing Rs had nothing to do with it is an idiot.

OK, i change my nothing to .00000001 % of something to do with. SO it is a 99.99999999% dem bill, are you happy you whinny little bitch. now back to the point, if this is a shit bill it is the dems fault. And in case you are not aware, it is a shit bill, shit for brains...

Just gotta get the beard a little longer....

But they still want to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortion and birth control. The sad part is how many people hanging around the retort see nothing wrong with that.

"OK, i change my nothing to .00000001 % of something to do with. SO it is a 99.99999999% dem bill"

Using that math, Dems have, what, a billion portions of the bill?!? Like I said...a moron.

"in case you are not aware, it is a shit bill"

I know, and I've said it from the start, dipshit. But it takes a real idiot to pretend Rs had nothing to do with it.

"they still want to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortion and birth control. The sad part is how many people hanging around the retort see nothing wrong with that."

Are these entities accepting government money?

#73 | Posted by Danforth
Damn you are the biggest whinny bitch on the face of the planet. You know you are not being honest, if you do not give credit to the dems for the bill. You can say what you want, but you are the only ass that thinks the repubs have a horse in the race...

"You know you are not being honest, if you do not give credit to the dems for the bill."

Posts the guy who refuses to admit what the Rs had to do with the bill.

"You can say what you want, but you are the only ass that thinks the repubs have a horse in the race..."

If you think adding over 100 amendments to a bill is equal to having nothing to do with it, you're a horse's ass. And a partisan hack, to boot.

#76 | Posted by Danforth
The only thing your blind ass didn't do on this debate was blame Bush for the crappy bill. Anybody but your beloved Dems. They wrote a crappy bill, they passed a crappy bill, they let crappy admendments get passed, and the Dem President will sign the crappy bill into law. Pretty simple, but you are one of the people that blames Bush (or Reagan) for everything...

"Are these entities accepting government money?"

Are the Amish? Does it matter, dannyboy? Forcing people to participate in something they equate with murder is totalitarian, idiot.

#77

I denied nothing. And I haven't excused the Dems one iota. All I've ever pointed out is you're a moron if you believe the Rs had nothing to do with this bill. Over 100 amendments is most definitely something.

"Does it matter, dannyboy?"

Sure it does. If you want the government's money, you have to play by the laws. Wouldn't doing otherwise be a civilian type of "judicial activism", or are you just against that when it goes against you?

Forcing people to participate in something they equate with murder is totalitarian, idiot."

That's ridiculous. Or do you believe I should be able to withhold the portion of my taxes that went to the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

YES BROTHERS...
there is a new one coming and I will expect to be exempt from this boondoogle

it will be a religion dedicated to the lost and wayward who just want to spit and and gamble and scratch and drink and score with women.
so what would be a good name for this sect?

#10 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-01-12 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

My vote is for "The First United Church of Leave Me the Hell Alone and Mind Your Own G*ddamn Business".

it will be a religion dedicated to the lost and wayward who just want to spit and and gamble and scratch and drink and score with women.
so what would be a good name for this sect?

Republicans? Oh, you said score with WOMEN, so that rules them out.

"Your forgot to sneak Reagan in there somewhere, while you were ignoring the political whores known as the Democrate party that wrote the bill. (not that the repubs arn't whores as well, just in this case all the whoring is from the dems)"

I don't deny for a minute that they are whores (Dems and Republicans alike) but I was just saying that using the argument of constitutionality is foolish because the SC will approve whatever the corporate lobbyists wrote. It is not going to be declared unconstitutional (IMHO) but not because I think it really is constitutional but because the SC is run by corporatists.

I love all the "opt out" talk. It's hilarious. The senate bill which has a state rather than federal component allows individual states to "opt out".

How many states have opted out of medicare?

How many people who either cannot afford healthcare insurance or have been terminated for being sick or cannot get insurance now due to being exempted will opt out do ya think?

pretty funny

No one is force to participate.

#42 | Posted by richardspirit

I reasonably certain that in this context of "community pool" the Amish are forced to participate.

"Are these entities accepting government money?"

Are the Amish? Does it matter, dannyboy? Forcing people to participate in something they equate with murder is totalitarian, idiot.

#78 | Posted by Diablo

so we agree that states should not be executing people, thanks.

YES BROTHERS...
there is a new one coming and I will expect to be exempt from this boondoogle

it will be a religion dedicated to the lost and wayward who just want to spit and and gamble and scratch and drink and score with women.
so what would be a good name for this sect?

#10 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-01-12 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

My vote is for "The First United Church of Leave Me the Hell Alone and Mind Your Own G*ddamn Business".

#81 | Posted by hoser

I truly hope the fire fighters get to roast marshmallows on your burning church.

Ok, so that makes it pretty easy

... a "religious conscience" exemption, which allows people with religious objections to insurance to opt out of the mandate.

Practicing Catholics are out because of abortion. Whoo-hoo!

Damn Amish! Puppy mill running, cell phone using (yes cell phone using), hypocritical morons the lot of them. Next time you see a horse and buggy think of the cruelty these morons do in the world, the hypocritical BS they spout, and put that buggy in the weeds! I don't know about the NY ones but here in IN. they are a blight on the landscape and a poke in the eye of decent society. If they don't want healthcare I say GOOD! I'll be happy not to extend it to you and when you get some horrible disease do not expect any sympathy from me.

Ok, so that makes it pretty easy

... a "religious conscience" exemption, which allows people with religious objections to insurance to opt out of the mandate.

Practicing Catholics are out because of abortion. Whoo-hoo!

#88 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

insurance=abortion?

dumbass

Liberal thinking is actually pretty cool. I can get my college paid for soon if I say I'm gay (only one way to prove it, and that's out), get free insurance if I say it's against my religion, can be racist if i'm a democrat because deep down I was really sorry, and there's no such thing as a lie, just gray areas. Did I miss anything?

so what would be a good name for this sect?

Doesn't matter.

They won't let you in.

Did I miss anything?

Certainly not your lips on the crack pipe.

insurance=abortion?

dumbass

#90 | Posted by truthhurts

"...religious objections to insurance..."

Insurance pays for abortions (once Pelosi gets her way) so therefore i have an objection to insurance. Are you Frito from Idiocracy?

Certainly not your lips on the crack pipe.

#93 | Posted by truthhurts

Yes, child. Dismiss the logic

Amish have religous objection to insurance. Thus exempted from participating in insurance.

Someone who objects to abortion does not have to have an abortion. See the difference? Probably not. Are you just a plain dumbass?

Psst taxes pay for all sorts of things you might consider murder including abortion.

Certainly not your lips on the crack pipe.

#93 | Posted by truthhurts

Yes, child. Dismiss the logic

#95 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

thank god, I would need to have a lobotomy to understand your logic.

I've been saying I was going to see if the Amish would take me in after the kids were out of the house. I envy their simple approach to life.

I'm now Amish.

Will wonders never cease?

better start praying you dont get kicked by a horse.

So how can the government FORCE us to buy insurance in the first place...?

#31 | Posted by micawber at 2010-01-12 01:16 PM | Reply |

For most people just requiring your employer garnish your wages.

How do you think they've been collecting un-constitutional income taxes for decades?

again since most of the dimwits missed it

the amish effectively have health insurance as they act collectively you know like good socialists.

the amish effectively have health insurance as they act collectively you know like good socialists.

So this ruling then should effectively allow any faith, church, social organization, or community to opt for their own local plan and also be able to forgo the plan, right?

He's not Frito, he the president...

and all the dimwits who want to go out and join the Amish feel free. Stop paying SS taxes but remember you will get no SS when you retire. Dont participate in health insurance, but remember when that horse kicks you you will be paying the full price at the hospital. No insurance to cover your straw hat wearing asses.

better start praying you dont get kicked by a horse.

#99 | Posted by truthhurts at 2010-01-12 04:38 PM | Reply

I'm no city boy. Been around animules all of my life.

the amish effectively have health insurance as they act collectively you know like good socialists.

So this ruling then should effectively allow any faith, church, social organization, or community to opt for their own local plan and also be able to forgo the plan, right?

#102 | Posted by kanrei

If your religon has a long established history of opposing insurance and all. I didnt write NY's law, just explaining it to you.

Hey I actually think the issue is bunk that amish should have to participate (and receive the benefits) just explaining the logic to the dimwits here.

He's not Frito, he the president...

#103 | Posted by SHEEPLESHEPERD

Well than perhaps you can explain how Abortion=Insurance cause WrongPolicy couldnt.

or perhaps you can explain how liberals think gays should have their college paid for?

or how bout how liberals say that you get free insurance if your religon is against it

see post #91 and all its beauty.

Ok, so like if the only insurance you can get pays for abortions, then there would be "religious objections to insurance" ad nauseam. And, so like, a mandate means that everyone has to get it. Once all the insurance comanies are all out of business because they can't weight the premiums based on age, and can't do anything about pre-existing conditions, viola. Getting it?

If your religon has a long established history of opposing insurance and all. I didnt write NY's law, just explaining it to you.

There are many instances of the courts ruling against long established histories of religious organizations when it can be argued said belief harms the child. Unless this option is extended to any group that choose to do it themselves, it is unconstitutional IMHO

Ok, so like if the only insurance you can get pays for abortions, then there would be "religious objections to insurance" ad nauseam. And, so like, a mandate means that everyone has to get it. Once all the insurance comanies are all out of business because they can't weight the premiums based on age, and can't do anything about pre-existing conditions, viola. Getting it?

#109 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

Get that you speak in non sequitors? Yes

sooooo your point is that all the insurance companies are going out of business?

please explain how having insurance forces you to have an abortion?

Because that is the point of this thread that Amish have religous based objections to INSURANCE.

Again, the US FEDERAL Govt pays for abortions in the case of incest rape and the life of the mother. 17 states expand that coverage.

SOOOOO you dont think you can opt out of the federal govt?

again logic and you? NO MEETING

Affirmative action gives special favor to minorities. A minority is someone that has underrepresentation. Gays say they are minorities. Got it?

OK, so he's the secretary of defense...

I just liked the obscure movie refenrence thrown in there.

I clearly shouldn't have invaded this little luv fest...

Carry on, my apologies......

ooooooooh

I get it you want to be able to pick and choose who has the abortions, now I get it

Affirmative action gives special favor to minorities. A minority is someone that has underrepresentation. Gays say they are minorities. Got it?

#113 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

AA pays for college? man you are dumb.

AA assures equal opportunity, nothing more nothing less.

sorry have to run, please continue though wrong cause you are quite funny to read.

So how can the government FORCE us to buy insurance in the first place...?

#31 | Posted by micawber

They have learned a trick from Russia. They hold a gun to your head.

Sorry, you were right about affirmative action. I meant to say scholarships based on minority status.

Yes, insurance companies will be put out of business which is the goal.

Replace sword with "Health Insurance Reform"

"Supposing that I should have the courage
To let a red sword of virtue
Plunge into my heart,
Letting to the weeds of the ground
My sinful blood,
What can you offer me?
A gardened castle?
A flowery kingdom?

What? A hope?
Then hence with your red sword of virtue."

--Stephen Crane

Yes, insurance companies will be put out of business which is the goal.

#119 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY at 2010-01-12 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are mistaken--insurance companies won't be putout of business--they will be put out of health care. There are lots of other areas that won't be affected. Insurance companies do nothing for the health of their clients---they are bloosuckers that have no place in health care. Their costs are part of the problem--not the solution.

I devoutly hate insurance companies and HMOs. Can I opt out too?

Just don't get sick. It's all good.

Yes, insurance companies will be put out of business which is the goal.

#119 | Posted by RIGHTPOLICY

I wish insurance companies WOULD be put out of healthcare, as your divisive punditry would have you believe will happen, but since any hope of a public option is all but lost, I think insurance companies won a sizable victory here. Thanks to some of our cowardly politicos, Insurance companies and Big Health Corp. will probably be able to continue their unencumbered rape of the U.S. citizenry for decades to come.

"Got a Bible in my hand and a beard on my chin
But if I finish all of my chores and you finish thine
Then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699"

Well, dumbass, I have a copy glued to my wall.
The problem is that scotus is, and has been, criminal and subversive for a very long time.
Everything from tax exempt status, to funneling tax dollars to faith based initiatives is a violation of the Constitution. Or the taking of private property to make it someone elses private property for profit reasons. Or allowing your citizens to be spied on and enslaved through corporate ownership of the law.
Allowing one cult to be excluded, or all of them, should this become law, is an absolute violation, is read as a subversive act(read the document, moron).
And that is read as a criminal act. Same document.
Perhaps you and that constitutional expert in the white house need a refresher course in the prime law.
The law of the people, by the people, for the people.
Sucubus suits you as a better handle.

No one is force to participate. It is not a tax or a fee it is one neighbor caring about the welfare of the other neighbor.

#42 | Posted by richardspirit

Are you nuckin futs? Pull your head out.

Are you nuckin futs? Pull your head out.

#127 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-01-13 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you have insurance now?

"If we have the power to simply order Americans to
buy certain products, why did we need a Cash-for-
Clunkers program or the upcoming program providing
rebates for purchasing energy appliances? We could
simply require Americans to buy certain cars,
dishwashers or refrigerators."
-Sen Orin Hatch, 10-01-2009, on the
upcoming healthcare bill requiring
Americans to buy healthcare insurance

"The Washington Times recently reminded us of the
estimated cost of Medicare shortly after Democrats
implemented it in 1965. Then, it was predicted to
cost $12 billion by 1990. In actuality, it cost $98
billion, which is to say the original estimate was
short by more than a factor of seven. In my home state of Tennessee, we've already been there and done that. Our state's version of ObamaCare, known as TennCare, implemented by Democrats in 1994 ostensibly to contain healthcare expenses, has quickly grown to consume more than a third of the state revenues."
-Mark Alexander, The Patriot Post, 11-19-2009

Sniper,

so you are telling me that the Amish force the members of their community to cover medical expenses? Are you Amish? Do you know any Amish? What expertise do you have back your claim that I have my head up my ass on how the Amish pay for medical care?

et all

Amish are Anarchists not socialists. Paying for medical care as a community is a survival tactic to prevent them from being too involved in the "English" world.

"What a pile of bullshit. I've seen wild numbers all over the map with vast majorities in favor and vast majorities against. All that proves is the questions were more important than the answers. Ask if you want government taking over health care and you'll get one answer. Ask if you want health costs to continue to outpace inflation at 4-to-1 for another decade and you'll get another."

Danforth, you are assuming the only answer to your question is goverment intravention, it isn't, tort reform, ala carte purchase, and competition across state lines will solve much (if not most) of the problem. Stupid assed laws are more responsible for the problems than lobbyists (sp?), the lobbyists have no power unless then can effectivly buy off the lawmakers (and they own everyone with maybe an exception or two).

About the Amish, I grew up amoungst them in Wisconsin and became close friends with several families, great group of people once they trust you. Amish have very high infant survival rates, their physical lifstyle lends itself to good physical fitness, and they are much happier (and have much more fun) than most people. Many of the larger settlements have Amish doctors (MD's) and health profesionals, the settlements (escpecially out east) are magnets for retired and semi-retired doctors (they have no worry about lawsuits).

Not the lifstyle for most, myself included, but we could learn much from them, I would think if we could master that shunning thing......

"Danforth, you are assuming the only answer to your question is goverment intravention, it isn't, tort reform, ala carte purchase, and competition across state lines will solve much (if not most) of the problem."

Tort reform saved about 1% in Texas.

Competition across state lines will only aid in the company's cherry-picking. They already can set up in any state they want.

Ala carte? Again, more power to the companies.

Just don't get sick. It's all good.

#123 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Isn't that essence of the Republican Health Care Reform Plan?

That and die quickly.