Oh Really?

That's why we changed the name to Climate Change. -Zatatuchi

"You kids get the fuck off my frozen lawn!"

~Itchypussi~

The spin never stops. The cooling trend for the last 10 years doesn't mean anything at all. We are going to burn up as we freeze to death in the dark. No coal, no natural gas, no oil. Ain't it great.

Germany preparing for blizzard:

Nearly as cold as the south pole in the U.K.:

Cold temperatures in winter is what you would expect, the 30+ degree fluctuation the next day is what's alarming.

Leave it to the Wingdings to point to normal temperatures while forgetting to mention the abnormal

"We are going to burn up as we freeze to death in the dark. No coal, no natural gas, no oil. Ain't it great."

God Damn --- do you ever tire of being so vulnerable? Why don't you just build yourself a fireplace!?
Oh, I forgot. The measly $2.50 a year tax you pay is breaking your bank. Never mind --- your right, your helpless ass is gonna die!

The cooling trend for the last 10 years doesn't mean anything at all.

Cooling trend? Where did you get your information? Exxonmobile? Oh, wait, let me guess, you heard it from a blogger. I understand, you rtards think NOAA and NASA studies are convenient lies. Sorry, I forgot.

Why don't you just build yourself a fireplace!?

#7 | Posted by Redneckville

We can't be realeasing all that carbon and smoke. WTF is wrong with you?

If you live on the Great Plains or in a big city, where would you ever get the fucking wood? Have you lost your mind?

#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2010-01-08 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Kyoto Protocol used the term "climate change" before the term "global warming" was popular. The term "global warming" was popularized by Gore and the media.

I've five heat pumps and a LP fireplace but I still have an old wood stove (complete with pipe, damper and hood) under my workbench in the shop,JIC.

RECORD COLD IN FLORIDA---sighting of polar bears as far south as Indiana.

"RECORD COLD IN FLORIDA"

Tell me about it. I'm freezing my ass off. One girl in my office has no heat at all in her apartment. MOst of us don't have clothes for cold weather. Stores are all sold out of heaters. I wish I had bought a Snuggee!

#13 - Seems like a good time to all huddle together in a sauna somewhere with some hot toddies in hand! After a while of that, you won't care what the weather is!

HAHAHAHAHAHa

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Man, these thing really heat.

I'll bet the GW folks will simply consider these temperatures an anomaly, and not include them in any of their future calculations. You can't let facts get in the way of a good theory. Interesting that they use the "natural variability" argument only when the temperatures get cold.

Low number of sunspots - cooler temperatures. Too bad the GW theorists try so much to discount the effects of our sun on the weather.

Too bad the GW theorists try so much to discount the effects of our sun on the weather.

WAIT A MINUTE! Are you suggesting that somehow that big hot ball of flames just two planets away from ours that causes our planet to be covered in bright light and massive heat has an effect on our weather? By what magic does that happen?

For those of you who are not mentally challenged, check out the link below. Scroll down to the part about negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation. It does require a minimum understanding of climate forces, but so does the weatherman. If you start from the top you can see that this article is fairly up to date.

Low number of sunspots - cooler temperatures. Too bad the GW theorists try so much to discount the effects of our sun on the weather.

#18 | Posted by MSgt

"Many climate scientists agree that sunspots and solar wind could be playing a role in climate change, but the vast majority view it as very minimal and attribute Earth's warming primarily to emissions from industrial activityand they have thousands of peer-reviewed studies available to back up that claim.

Peter Foukal of the Massachusetts-based firm Heliophysics, Inc., who has tracked sunspot intensities from different spots around the globe dating back four centuries, also concludes that such solar disturbances have little or no impact on global warming. Nevertheless, he adds, most up-to-date climate modelsincluding those used by the United Nations' prestigious Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)incorporate the effects of the sun's variable degree of brightness in their overall calculations."

For those of you who are not mentally challenged, check out the link below.

#20 | Posted by RingMaster

Yes, I'm sure this will keep them warm.

"Low number of sunspots - cooler temperatures. Too bad the GW theorists try so much to discount the effects of our sun on the weather.

#18 | Posted by MSgt"

That's right numbnuts "weather". Global warming is about climate change. Did you ever care did learn the difference? Oh that's right learning is for pussy liberals, you know things from Fox News.

#19 | Posted by kanrei

rightwing nutjob!

"Low number of sunspots - cooler temperatures. Too bad the GW theorists try so much to discount the effects of our sun on the weather.

#18 | Posted by MSgt"

That's right numbnuts "weather". Global warming is about climate change. Did you ever care did learn the difference? Oh that's right learning is for pussy liberals, you know things from Fox News.

#23 | Posted by furio

Oh I get it now. The sunspots are caused by burning fossil fuels. Thanks.

If you live on the Great Plains or in a big city, where would you ever get the fucking wood? Have you lost your mind?
#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2010-01-08 12:58

Try Craig's List, you fucking Moron.

And where you live isn't my problem or the governments, it's yours!

But to get this straight, it sounds like you're upset because the government isn't doing more for you?
When did it the governments responsibility to make sure you don't freeze to death.

The reason I am saying that is because you said your going to freeze in the dark with no coal, gas or oil ---- as if the industry who supplies that garbage isn't Private business!

If oil gas and coal price goes beyond your ability to pay for whatever reason ------ then do the stand up Man thing and go get a better paying job, you fucking loser! Don't sit there whining like the government is holding you back cause it aint!

What always occurs to me in global climate change threads is that none of the posters really know one way or the other. That's why I don't generally take a strong stand on it one way or the other though I sort of lean towards believing in GW only because if the deniers are wrong and we follow their advice we'll be screwed. If we follow the advice of the proponents of GW the consequences if they are wrong are small in comparison.

I think they made a movie about this. It was called "the day after tomorrow". It let everyone know that global warming causes the earth to freeze over. Its scientfic fact people. Deal with it. LMFAO

I think they made a movie about this. It was called "the day after tomorrow". It let everyone know that global warming causes the earth to freeze over. Its scientfic fact people. Deal with it. LMFAO

#28 | Posted by THEBULL at 2010-01-08 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep that movie was a docudramadary! LOL

Posted by MSgt
You gotta love the irony of a career government employee who had the government feed him, educate him, care for him, insure him and tell him when to go to bed and when to get up ------- whining about the government.

How is the big bad government mistreating you today MSgt?

Talk about biting the hand that feds them!

What always occurs to me in global climate change threads is that none of the posters really know one way or the other. That's why I don't generally take a strong stand on it one way or the other though I sort of lean towards believing in GW only because if the deniers are wrong and we follow their advice we'll be screwed. If we follow the advice of the proponents of GW the consequences if they are wrong are small in comparison.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-08 01:42 PM

Not to be cynical or anything.

Yeah Danni, lets live under the guidelines of a bunch of global warming conspiracy theorists that want to tax us for things like breathing and having kids. Those consequences are real small.

We're all going to die. So fucking what?

...that big hot ball of flames just two planets away from ours...

#19 kanrei

Yes, I caught that too. I guess nobody told him we are the third planet from the sun and it is approximately 93,000,000 miles away.

............ but the solutions will be bull shit designed to make a few people wealthy or powerful, and we're screwed anyway.

Not to be cynical or anything.

#31 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

I totally agree with this last part. They are creating an exchange systems that will take money from average Americans through taxes and increased utility fees and trade it like those credit default swaps that worked out so well.

"we're screwed anyway"

Yup.
Been too late since the 70's.
Society could have done something about it then, but you morons elected the Alzheimer's-addled idiot Reagan and pretended there wasn't a problem.

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981

"I have flown twice over Mt St. Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." -- Ronald Reagan, 1980. (Actually, Mount St. Helens, at its peak activity, emitted about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide per day, compared with 81,000 tons per day by cars.)

"Facts are stupid things." -- Ronald Reagan, 1988, a misquote of John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"RECORD COLD IN FLORIDA"
Tell me about it. I'm freezing my ass off. One girl in my office has no heat at all in her apartment. MOst of us don't have clothes for cold weather. Stores are all sold out of heaters. I wish I had bought a Snuggee!

#13 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2010-01-08 01:12 PM

Keep in mind that, to most Floridians, anything below 68F is freezing. During one of my many biz trips to Florida a morning weather dude instructed 'moms to bundle up the kiddies -- it's gonna be a cold one with highs in 60's' -- I saw people on the streets in PARKAS!

Thus, it was that I learned that if you want to visit Florida and not stand out as a tourist, you wear long sleeves and a jacket anytime the weather is below 73F.

Winter sale on carbon credits!! half-off until spring!!! Stock up on your carbon credits!! Save the earth - buy carbon credits!!!!

Keep in mind that, to most Floridians, anything below 68F is freezing.

41 is cold anywhere. Add humity and it sticks to you.

The biggest lie is the thought that we as humans can have any effect on what this earth is doing.

I think using up the earth's resources is going to be a bigger problem.

My first White Christmas was in Marathon or Key Largo. It was gone by the 27th.

Been too late since the 70's.
Society could have done something about it then, but you morons elected the Alzheimer's-addled idiot Reagan and pretended there wasn't a problem.

Reagan wasn't elected until 1980. If it was too late in the 70s then how is it his fault? or his alzheimers? did he forget about global warming or something?

If he had gotten his quotes right would you feel better about him then?

I am guessing he pissed you off in some other way.....lemme guess.....he cut off funding for you didn't he???

# 40 "The biggest lie is the thought that we as humans can have any effect on what this earth is doing"

Shhhhh... don't be telling people that .... at least not until Al Gore has made his first BILLION selling his carbon credits!

maybe not but rush just had a good little snippet

he suggested that all of the GW people get out and have to clear roads of snow without using that FOOtPRINT snowblower.....

I agree....if you are TRUELY worried...get your ass out there and clear it all by hand.
IF It were me though I would be inside using as much ENERGY as needed to stay warm...LIKE I AM now

More fun with Ronnie ...

"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979. (There is no such study.)

"My fellow Americans. I'm pleased to announce that I've signed legislation outlawing the Soviet Union. We begin bombing in five minutes." -joking during a mike check before his Saturday radio broadcast

"I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency -- even if I'm in a Cabinet meeting."
~Sad but true

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
~right, how about your desk?

"As a matter of fact, Nancy never had any interest in politics or anything else when we got married."
~ROFL!

A few more gems ...

"How are you, Mr. Mayor? I'm glad to meet you. How are things in your city?" -greeting Samual Pierce, his secretary of Housing and Urban Development, during a White House reception for mayors

"My name is Ronald Reagan. What's yours?" -introducing himself after delivering a prep school commencement address. The individual responded, "I'm your son, Mike," to which Reagan replied, "Oh, I didn't recognize you."

"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, you coast for awhile, you have a hell of a closing."

"What does an actor know about politics?" -criticizing Ed Asner for opposing American foreign policy

"What makes him think a middle-aged actor, who's played with a chimp, could have a future in politics?" -on Clint Eastwood's bid to become mayor of Carmel
(Eastwood worked with an orangutan, but we can't expect Ronnie to get anything right.)

"Cold Snap Doesn't Disprove Global Warming"

But I bet when we have record heat this summer, it WILL be due to global warming. Wait & see....

"Thus, it was that I learned that if you want to visit Florida and not stand out as a tourist, you wear long sleeves and a jacket anytime the weather is below 73F."

There are tons of women especially who can't wait for cold (cool) weather so they can wear fur coats, etc. When it fall below 65 you see all sorts of expensive furs, heavy jackets, etc.

There are tons of women especially who can't wait for cold (cool) weather so they can wear fur coats, etc. When it fall below 65 you see all sorts of expensive furs, heavy jackets, etc.

lemme guess......that irritates you...right?

The debate is over....Global Warming is a crock of shit.

# 49
AMEN!

High here tomorrow is supposed to be 38 and I live in central florida...... with a chance of sleet/snow tomorrow morning

#44 I agree....if you are TRUELY worried...

You mean REALLY REALLY worried like Al Gore is ? So fucking worried that he uses 232% as much electricity every month as the average American household? Yeah, the only thing that MFer is worried about is people will stop buying his carbon credits.

"Cold Snap Doesn't Disprove Global Warming"

"Neither does doctored data"
--- Global Warming Alarmists who are in it for the money ---

The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Washington Post. November 2, 1922

It also means that Arctic ice will not freeze over as much as normal this winter, so watch for accelerated melting again this summer.

#20 | Posted by RingMaster

ff #42

Meanwhile Minnesota is going to start charging its own carbon tax! Wait North Dakota is going to be suiing us over it soon...

Thus, it was that I learned that if you want to visit Florida and not stand out as a tourist, you wear long sleeves and a jacket anytime the weather is below 73F."

There are tons of women especially who can't wait for cold (cool) weather so they can wear fur coats, etc. When it fall below 65 you see all sorts of expensive furs, heavy jackets, etc.

#47 | Posted by dann

For the first time, I'm going to spend some time in your state this winter---enjoy the winter and hate to leave but the winter doesn't like me.

Washington Post. November 2, 1922

#54 | Posted by tontonmacoute

now that's what you call a newsworthy post here, folks!

Low number of sunspots - cooler temperatures. Too bad the GW theorists try so much to discount the effects of our sun on the weather.

#18 | Posted by MSgt

Or the way the earth orbits around the sun.

Really, just how stupid do you think people are? Well, you did get as far as you did, among the gullible and easily led.

Wasn't it the Goracle himself that put a satellite view of Katrina on the cover of his propaganda piece, along with the claim that AGW would be making hurricanes both more frequent and severe? Too bad nature is not on Algore's side. There were how many hurricanes last year? None? One?

The emperor never had any clothes, and that's the ugly truth.

Or the way the earth orbits around the sun.

#58 | Posted by matsop

& too many smokestacks on the moon!

Yeah, the only thing that MFer is worried about is people will stop buying his carbon credits.

#52 | Posted by HLAY2009 at 2010-01-08 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag

I JUST CANNOT believe that you would want someone to get in the way of gore making ANOTHER HUNDRED MILLION or so..
whats wrong with you?? LOL

Redneckkille:

(1) How can questioning the GW theorists like you be bitting the hand of govt?

(2) I earned my retirement pay by contract that if I served the govt for 20 or more (I did 21) the govt owed me my pension (I assume you do know what a pension is).

(3) My military pension does not 'feed' me as 100% of it has been going into my investments for two decades.

(4) Please continue paying your taxes which are funding my investments :)

"The American Petroleum Institute filed suit against the EPA [and] charged that the agency was suppressing a scientific study for fear it might be misinterpreted... The suppressed study reveals that 80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979. (There is no such study.)

well, I never voted for the guy...or his loving mentor successor & his GW son!

"That'lll be ten trillion dollars, please."

"Cha-ching! Shall I wrap up that planet or do you want to eat it here? Ten trillion buckarooneys is why all those green fraudsters jetted into Copenhagen, and that's why they kept going for a while even after Climategate ripped open their fraud for all the world to see." --- Pajamas Media ｻ Global Warming as Climastrology

How come the global warming prophets always point to Cap and Trade as the solution?

MSGT,

I have three years left and man am I ready! I'm not doing one day past 20, and counting leave and terminal leave, I should be out in 2012!

They are the party of green all right, but it has nothing do with protecting the environment.

Congrats for your service BOAZ - Live long into retirement and enjoy.

Thanks Top,

How has disability done you? Did you get a rating? I plan on getting at least 30%, all these tours as killing me...

No disability for me - I can live with being hale and hearty since when I shipped to Vietnam at age 20 I thought I'd never see 21!

Nothing can disprove global warming for a liberal as it is one of the primary tenants in their secular religion. No amount of data or logic can convince them otherwise, which makes it a belief. Evolution is the same thing (although you REALLY have to strech to believe that one). I have found it is better just to tell them to stick it, and agree to disagree.

#71 | Posted by ANNODROG at 2010-01-08 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag: has no data and failed 4th grade logic

No disability for me - I can live with being hale and hearty since when I shipped to Vietnam at age 20 I thought I'd never see 21!

#70 | Posted by MSgt

I think I deserve some disability based on emotional distress (DR posters) after the realization there are people that actually believe some of the things they say they believe in when there are no facts or evidence to support their particular "feeling".

and agree to disagree.

But we cant do that, because they are using their point of view to make policy for everyone. I dont agree, and I wont let them make me abide by their policy...so hence, the standoff...

#71 | Posted by ANNODROG at 2010-01-08 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag: has no data and failed 4th grade logic

Posted by Zatoichi

but can count carbon credits because he pasz 3rd spellin' & math

Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of astronomers/scientist still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe.

Why was this? Because the Catholic Church funded a lot of scince research in it's day.

Money corrupts everyone including scientist.

Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of astronomers/scientist still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe.

Why was this? Because the Catholic Church funded a lot of scince research during that time.

Money corrupts everyone including scientist.

Follow the money. There's big money in research grants, climate change organizations etc. etc. And the media has something to be in a frenzy over. So facts to the contrary will never get reported. I've said before; when you're on a crusade, facts don't much matter.

Hey Zat,
Explain how raw data can get manipulated to the extent shown in this graph, and yet we are supposed to accept it as indisputable science??

"Why was this? Because the Catholic Church funded a lot of scince research during that time."

You forgot: "being one of the greatest contributors to the Renaissance movement and the rise of Western Civilization" but we will let that go.

#71 annodrog

FF! Best post of the month (OK it's still young).

my wind turbine froze up and my solar panels haven't seen the sun in a week, this may be my last post.

Follow the money. There's big money in research grants, climate change organizations etc. etc.

There is one hell of a lot more money in big oil.

"Follow the money. "

Because as everyone knows, people pursue careers in climatology because of the lucrative salaries, as opposed to law, medicine, business, etc.

Big money in Big Oil, yes, but when one makes big money in Big Green he becomes revered and is offered free blow jobs from the likes of Ringmaster, RCADE, and Woke.

my wind turbine froze up and my solar panels haven't seen the sun in a week, this may be my last post.

Think! Do you have a car or motorcycle, some speaker wire and a couple of spring clips (also called a coat hanger)?

MacGyver it dude (or dudette).

#85 | Posted by SpokaneJim at 2010-01-08 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag: Thought he was being clever but was only funny after stepping in his own turd.

Because as everyone knows, people pursue careers in climatology because of the lucrative salaries, as opposed to law, medicine, business, etc.

Man, you got that right. I make more money growing coffee and building string instruments then I ever did working for scientists. But I enjoy educating uneducated idiots more.

my wind turbine froze up and my solar panels haven't seen the sun in a week, this may be my last post.

You'll find so many posts full of nothing but hot air you'll stay warm and toasty.

Yeah Danni, lets live under the guidelines of a bunch of global warming conspiracy theorists that want to tax us for things like breathing and having kids. Those consequences are real small.

#32 | Posted by THEBULL at 2010-01-08 01:52 PM | Reply |

You forgot legislating what kind of lights we can buy, when we can use them, how many of them we can use and what the acceptable room temperature in our home will be.

Along with how large our car will be, how far it will be allowed to travel and what the penalties for violating any of the laws will be.

Progressives don't really go outdoors so much so it really doesn't bother them much. They'll just ask the Obama administration to buy them Snuggies for the winter.

I wonder what it would finally take for the worshippers at the GW human carbon emission etioliogy alter to finally admit they supported the wrong horse--I would love a listing--then at least we could hold them to something other then an unsupported "any phenomenon fits" hypothesis/theory.

I'll side with the overwhelming majority of scientists any day over conservative spinsters or big oil. I have no science background, but I'm aware of shifting climate patterns due to warming temperatures.

Big money owns us and shapes our opinions, though. We're pretty much fucked, anyway.

Options

Global warming is false and we do nothing--we save lots of money.

Global warming is false and we do all we can to stop it---we lose lots of money.

Global warming is true and we do nothing---we all die.

Global warming it true and we do all we can to stop it----we all live.

Which is the best option?

Which is the best option?

#93 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Bob, option A is the right answer--we die from natural causes and we die rich. But then again, B could be the right answer--we lose lots of money and then we die from freezing and hunger. Of, course C is alright because then again we have lots of money and die before we know wether GW is real or BS. D is a plus and minus because we live eternally but we're always scrounging for clothes and food---very thought provoking and tough decision---I think I'll go to bed and ponder this one.

Yep that movie was a docudramadary! LOL

#29 | Posted by BigRex at 2010-01-08 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Based on a book by that preeminent climate expert: Art Bell

Matsop

Let's make it a little more personal, and a little simpler, and let's see if you change your view of the options.

You have been told that someone will break into your house and kill your family. You don't know if it is true or not, but you must decide on a course of action.

Options

The warning is false and you do nothing--saving lots of money on defensive weapons and measures.

The warning is false but you do everything you can, just in case---you lose lots of money on defensive weapons and measures.

The warning is true and you do nothing---you and your family are killed

The warning is true, and you do everything you can to prevent the attack----your family lives.

Which option would you choose?

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic

#54 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2010-01-08 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

That always happens when minorities move in; those damned polar bears again!

Which option would you choose?

It's a trick question. The correct answer is "car antenna".

Because as everyone knows, people pursue careers in climatology because of the lucrative salaries, as opposed to law, medicine, business, etc.

#84 | Posted by nullifidian at 2010-01-08 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Law, medicine and business require effort, and if you fuck it up, you are held accountable.

Climate science may not be quite as lucrative (unless you're selling carbon indulgences) but it's steady money and you can never be proven wrong.

Think about the teachers you knew in community college who taught sociology, or gender studies. Otherwise known as losers.

#87 | Posted by RingMaster at 2010-01-08 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag: WIPE YOUR CHIN

It's a trick question. The correct answer is "car antenna".

#98 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-09 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no correct answer. Different people pick different answers. You simply prove again your inability to have reasonable debate. The only thing missing was the name calling. I'm sure that will be in your next post, if you respond at all.

Along with how large our car will be, how far it will be allowed to travel and what the penalties for violating any of the laws will be.

Someday they might even come along and tell you how fast you can drive, or that your car needs lights. Can you imagine!

Big money owns us and shapes our opinions, though. We're pretty much fucked, anyway.

Yes big money like General Electric which is banking on cap and trade becoming law.

The first corp in america that lobbied for cap and trade was Enron

Matsop

Let's make it a little more personal, and a little simpler, and let's see if you change your view of the options.

You have been told that someone will break into your house and kill your family. You don't know if it is true or not, but you must decide on a course of action.

Options

The warning is false and you do nothing--saving lots of money on defensive weapons and measures.

The warning is false but you do everything you can, just in case---you lose lots of money on defensive weapons and measures.

The warning is true and you do nothing---you and your family are killed

The warning is true, and you do everything you can to prevent the attack----your family lives.

Which option would you choose?

#96 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Bob, the answer would be none of the above---I would send my family away and wait in the dark and when the perpetrator entered my home I would take care of the problem with my bare hands---I wouldn't need lots of weapons.

#104 | Posted by matsop

Indoors, buckshot is your friend.

#104 | Posted by matsop

Indoors, buckshot is your friend.

#105 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

You're right--difficult to miss with that.

#106 | Posted by matsop

Lower probability of the projectile exiting the building, also.

#106 | Posted by matsop

Lower probability of the projectile exiting the building, also.

#107 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

Might screw up my motif a little bit and that would tick me off.

Global warming has never been proven and therefore needs no 'disproving'. It's a question of faith for those who believe in it, not science.

#99 vernon: thinks he's smart because he has a compoooter and can read Fox News and make clever remarks on the Internets.

#103 Timbci "General Electric which is banking on cap and trade becoming law.
The first corp in america that lobbied for cap and trade was Enron"

Did Enron or GE provide a bankroll for climate scientists worldwide to cook the books? I doubt it. Some big money is hoping to make money off of how we deal with the situation (no matter how stupid our dealing with it is). I don't support crap 'n trade.

My opinions on climate science are based on those of the majority of the scientific community.

What the...? You're all still here jabbering away? I thought for sure everybody would have gone over to effyouNOeffYOU.com by now.

Anyway, GW/no-GW is bigger than all the hot air you'll expend here. What will happen will happen, and you may be right or you may be wrong. Maybe we ought to admit we don't really understand it beyond what we WANT to believe that will fit in with our respective political clubs' official party line and give us ammo for the political insults game which is oh, so meaningful.

Now, has anyone heard of the Japan Current? You know, the Pacific counterpart of the Gulf Stream? Well, a warmer planet would tend to strengthen the Japan Current, so it would push warm air more forcefully into the Arctic, which would nudge the polar air mass off the pole somewhat, sometimes as far as Florida.

But that would be SCIENCE!! Can't have any of that baloney here at DR--we have outrage to express, outrage I says!!

P.S., carbon credits--just say no. We need to consider the planet, not the profits to be made. Last thing we need now is another get-rich bubble scheme.

Has ANYONE heard a bigger pile of bullshit than the load that the man-made global warming crowd puts out??

EVERYTHING that happens - up, down , or sideways fits beautifully into their models. Even when the data doesn't possibly work, and these disingenuous errrrr... "scientists" can't figure how to manipulate the numbers to "trick" them up -- it STILL fits the model because -- uhhhh, well... ummm -- because... WELL just because!

Oh, where is the raw data on which we based ALL of our most earth shattering (and most expensive) conclusions of all time? We don't know!! When we moved to our new building we LOST the boxes!!

It's warm today - thus the globe is warming and MAN caused it.
It's COLD today - thus the globe is warming and MAN caused it.

And these lying, cheating bastards say it all with a freaking straight face!
JM

If I ever met a climatologist I would bash him in the face and then I would claim Global warming Disorder as my defense.

Has ANYONE heard a bigger pile of bullshit than the load that the man-made global warming crowd puts out??

Yeah, I have heard a bigger pile, it sometimes comes out of the mouths of religious fundamentalists.

If you want to understand math and science, there is a nearby community college which can help you. You can even deduct the tuition from your taxes!

Or, just keep ranting like an uninformed tool. It's a free country.

What always occurs to me in global climate change threads is that none of the posters really know one way or the other. That's why I don't generally take a strong stand on it one way or the other though I sort of lean towards believing in GW only because if the deniers are wrong and we follow their advice we'll be screwed. If we follow the advice of the proponents of GW the consequences if they are wrong are small in comparison.

#27 | Posted by danni

Danni,

By that logic, I am sure you are a devout Christian that is going to renounce lesbianism and follow the Lord. After all, if the Christians are right, the homosexuals among us and the non-believers are SCREWED. If we are wrong, the consequences are relatively small by comparison.

Snoof avoids debate, "Yeah, I have heard a bigger pile, it sometimes comes out of the mouths of religious fundamentalists."

So, does that mean that you GW Chicken Littles are the second biggest pile of BS?

"If you want to understand math and science, there is a nearby community college which can help you. You can even deduct the tuition from your taxes!"

You elitist jerks are always trying to pretend that your snide insults have some actual meaning in reality - that you are actually disproving some idiotic claim, by doing so.

It doesn't take a scientific degree to understand this issue, because it is a matter of common sense.

Ergo, our extremely small contribution of CO2 to the overall atmosphere is not a cause of GW/GC, and since the sun is the first cause, then albedo, then water vapor, while the 3-5 percent of the atmosphere that is CO2 literally cannot start of stop GW ...

... but you partisan ideologues will continue to spew your nonsense in order to redistribute wealth ... and hope to get some, I'm sure ...

"Or, just keep ranting like an uninformed tool. It's a free country."

Which doesn't require your inane 'permission', stupid ...

Ergo, our extremely small contribution of CO2 to the overall atmosphere is not a cause of GW/GC, and since the sun is the first cause, then albedo, then water vapor, while the 3-5 percent of the atmosphere that is CO2 literally cannot start of stop GW ...

You can't even decide how much our contribution is. This is where some math and science might help you to establish a quantitative basis from which to approach the question.

It doesn't take a scientific degree to understand this issue, because it is a matter of common sense.

Yours and others uninformed rants leads me to sadly conclude otherwise. Everybody I know with a science degree (and many without) knows that 380 is more than a few percentage point increase over 280 or 180. You seem incapable of grasping even such simple math. It's not surprising you get everything else wrong when you start with flawed assumptions.

(You betrayed your quantitative ignorance earlier when you state CO2 is 3-5% of the atmopshere, a figure several orders of magnitude too high, and wildly imprecise too.)

#117 | Posted by tadowe at 2010-01-09 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag: failed 5th grade science class

So, Tardowe, when are you going to be elected to the National Academy of Sciences?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

idiot

I suppose that the disciples of Pope Gore here could just as easily conclude that God is doing this to thwart the theory of Global Warming. It really doesn't matter, the devout followers of the faith believe anything that supports and discount every thing that could challenge their religion - even the evidence right in front of their very eyes. I see that the High Priest ZAT has made his way to the floor and is doing his part to spread the word!

Newsflash---record cold in Florida tonight--however, should be a very warm 60 degrees midweek--man, I love GWing activists--they're always worth a few laughs---I don't have to go out and pay for my entertainment but instead get it right here on the DR.

Bob, the answer would be none of the above---I would send my family away and wait in the dark and when the perpetrator entered my home I would take care of the problem with my bare hands---I wouldn't need lots of weapons.

#104 | Posted by matsop at 2010-01-09 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

That isn't an option---there would be no attack without your family being there, or they would find out where your family was and attack them there. They don't want you, they want your family, and would know absolutely where they were before any attack took place. So again, which option would you choose?

You have been told that someone will break into your house and kill your family. You don't know if it is true or not, but you must decide on a course of action.

Options

The warning is false and you do nothing--saving lots of money on defensive weapons and measures.

The warning is false but you do everything you can, just in case---you lose lots of money on defensive weapons and measures.

The warning is true and you do nothing---you and your family are killed

The warning is true, and you do everything you can to prevent the attack----your family lives.

Which option would you choose?

It's a trick question. The correct answer is "car antenna".

#98 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-09 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no correct answer. Different people pick different answers. You simply prove again your inability to have reasonable debate. The only thing missing was the name calling. I'm sure that will be in your next post, if you respond at all.

#101 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Bob, unfortunately I can't pick an answer since you supplied me with the info that "there is no correct answer". Doggone it, and I was ready to pick one of the answers--anyway, good to see you up and at it but my time zone is probably different then yours and I'm headed for the sack.

can't this be said for warming? Warming was just a cycle to as much as this cold snap is?

why are people crazy and not looking at the two way street?

Yahoo (and other MSM) are quick to allay the climategate skeptics, who will concede the point in honesty. Once that is complete, Al Gore as a regular TV propaganda favorite, may very possibly then create an AGW scare from this (once another natural disaster occurs in near proximity) because it's proof of dramatic climate change. They'll propogate fear with the generational records worldwide. The propaganda attempt could be pushed (like swine flu hoax) to make it bigger than the underwear patsy. See, with growing negative sentiment to the establishment, there will need to be a major "fear" all the time to attempt to keep as many of the sheople under control.

can't this be said for warming? Warming was just a cycle to as much as this cold snap is?

why are people crazy and not looking at the two way street?

#126 | Posted by pragmatous at 2010-01-10 01:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, all scientists are crazy, and we should pay no attention to their warnings. Just because they say global warming will bring about strange weather patterns is no reason to believe this strange weather pattern could possibly be what they were talkng about. When the ocean conveyor belt stops because all the ice has melted, and an ice age returns, we can all point to them and say how crazy they always were even though all their predictions came true.

Buffalo bob - nothing grows in cold. Everything grows in warmth. It's better to be warmer than colder. Nothing grows in ice.

How do you feel about hybrid cars producing more co2 than normal cars?

How do you feel about how there's more co2 now than 20 years ago and yet it's fricken cold thru out the planet. Basically disproving co2 warms the planet. It's not one section of the US - it's cold everywhere. It's also for a long extended period of time. So it's not short spurts of cold. It's been cold since mid December.

Bob, unfortunately I can't pick an answer since you supplied me with the info that "there is no correct answer". Doggone it, and I was ready to pick one of the answers--anyway, good to see you up and at it but my time zone is probably different then yours and I'm headed for the sack.

#125 | Posted by matsop at 2010-01-10 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag

There is no correct answer--there is a choice to make.

What scientist? Can you name any? give me a number. what scientist? You're completely vague. have you done any research yourself or are you just repeating shit the media tells you?

"Yes, all scientists are crazy, and we should pay no attention to their warnings. Just because they say global warming will bring about strange weather patterns is no reason to believe this strange weather pattern could possibly be what they were talkng about. When the ocean conveyor belt stops because all the ice has melted, and an ice age returns, we can all point to them and say how crazy they always were even though all their predictions came true."

It's not one section of the US - it's cold everywhere.

No its not,I've still got tomatos growing in my yard,That's unheard of even for Az

oh right that big desert you call arizona. my bad - one section of the planet where it's suppose to be HOT is only warm.

the whole planet is freezing but little arizona is warm. This means the planet is warm.

logic train - vroom!

Its a desert because of the lack of rain not temperature.It usually gets cold enough to kill a tomato plant months ago.

You come for the climate,you get the weather,Mark Twain

vroom!

^ no shit Sherlock. Doesn't escape the fact deserts are warmer due to lack of cloud cover during the day. Colder at night because radiation and green house gasses escape the lower atmosphere.

water vaper is a green house gas. that means you need to stop using water by the way. Also means water vapor is a toxin and should be banned. right?

water vapor is just water in case you're stupid.

It's not one section of the US - it's cold everywhere.

Not where I live.

everywhere meaning japan, china, Europe is colder not just a portion of the US. It's something called average and on average it's colder.

You know what else is a green house gas? Ozone. Guess what produces ozone? electric motors. Guess what has electric motors? Hybrid cars.

No shit sherlock,I wish I'd chose that name instead of Bruce Az

Doesn't escape the fact deserts are warmer due to lack of cloud cover during the day. Colder at night because radiation and green house gasses escape the lower atmosphere

Not to mention the jet stream that creates hi pressure systems that hover over the state.We also have inversion layers that trap heat to the ground with cold air overhead.

But I'm telling you we are having a warm winter here.Believe it or don't.

Climate change is based on averages.and they aren't going down.

no if you read the temperature trend they're going down. But only you can do your research instead of listening to the liberal media.

So if climate change science is so sound why isn't anyone debating the science? It's how science works.

I mean Einsteins general relativity is constantly being questioned. That's just real science to question it.

no if you read the temperature trend they're going down. But only you can do your research instead of listening to the liberal media.

#142 | Posted by pragmatous at 2010-01-10 02:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Bullshit.

But to be generous, what source(s) do you recommend in your "research"?

NOAA and NASA, or WND, Limbaugh, George Will and Sean Hannity?

So if climate change science is so sound why isn't anyone debating the science? It's how science works

Oh I thought you were debating it,Just spouting off?

I mean Einsteins general relativity is constantly being questioned. That's just real science to question it.

#143 | Posted by pragmatous at 2010-01-10 02:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

No. It's an accepted general proposition that light is bent by gravity. It's been established by experimentation. Only cranks question that. What this means is, of course, examined and questioned in peer-reviewed science, but your "questioning" of climate science is confined to talk radio and Sarah Palin's twitter posts.

The article says, "Experts: Cold snap doesn't disprove global warming"

Global Warming is a fact, reality. Saying that this cold snap doesn't disprove GW is a red-herring!

The issue is whether mankind has caused GW, and the answer is we haven't, because it is a natural process which began approximately 18,000 years ago - while our CO2 output was zip, outside of log fires.

The last GC period ended and melted glaciers reaching down to about Missouri, and the defrosting formed Niagra Falls and the Mississippi river, the Great Lakes, etc. When Europe and the rest of the world went through a mini-Ice Age, that didn't disprove GW, either, but our CO2 output was increasing and didn't stop that cold spell. If anything, it might have helped end that period where millions died due to cold and starvation, although the GW trend had been going on for thousands of years, already.

CO2 is actually a very small part of the atmosphere and the math indicates that in such minor concentrations, as at present, it can't absorb enough energy to account for overall atmospheric temperature rises, and which Occam's razor suggests can be attributed to the sun's energy output, as well as Earth's inclination and precessions, and then water vapor.

The story of Chicken Little is an appropriate literary metaphor for these political poltroons who try and frighten and misinform the public to gain financial support and political power.

Gore is a PT Barnum huckster and takes his pay in influence, political power and filthy lucre ... as well as the consensus of pseudo-science supporting their shill political partners hopes to do ...

re:

it can't absorb enough energy to account for overall atmospheric temperature rises, and which Occam's razor suggests can be attributed to the sun's energy output, as well as Earth's inclination and precessions, and then water vapor.

Wonderful.Point us to a good body of peer reviewed literature that establishes your crank-assed bullshit.

Can't?

Well, by Occam's Razor, perhaps you are a fucktard.

...and which Occam's razor suggests can be attributed to the sun's energy output...

Golly. You are simply too brilliant. Maybe you could astound the scientists who spend their lives in the study of global climate by asking them to look at the sun.

I'm sure it's never occurred to them.

"Gosh", they'll say, "this Tadowe mentioned that we should account for the input of the fucking Sun. How could we have been so stupid!"

I'm sure you'll get a medal for being so smart.

Betel asks, "Point us to a good body of peer reviewed literature ..."

I expect that you'll avoid any discussion of this data, because this is part of your quasi-religious faith in Manmade Global Warming, and you will automatically reject any disagreement with it. However, someone else might be interested ...

What scientist? Can you name any? give me a number. what scientist? You're completely vague. have you done any research yourself or are you just repeating shit the media tells you?

#131 | Posted by pragmatous at 2010-01-10 01:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are correct. No scientist has ever said anything about global warming---none--zero---it is all a concoction by NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, and all the other world media outlets, plus Al Gore, so he can get rich and the media has something to fill the time. How very astute of you. Tell me the source of your wisdom, so that I may be enlightened also.

Tadowe-
Wonderful.

"Published" on the internet is a high bar, and you have met it.

I don't rally have the time or patience for cranks, but I do recommend that you contact a few publications and inform them that they don't realize that the Sun is, you know, ...like, there.

Good Luck.

Betel mocks, "I'm sure you'll get a medal for being so smart."

The issue, once again, is not whether I'm smart or not, but rather it is one where one group claims that CO2 is the cause, and specifically man's contribution is to blame for GW.

First of all, GW is good for humanity, because it means more arable land and subsequent food for the world's populations.

Secondly, GW started approx. 18,000 years ago, and didn't start because of man's CO2 output.

Thirdly, even if we stopped all of mankind's CO2 output, and went back to the caves, we could not influence GW/GC more than one half of one percent (our CO2 output in comparison to all of the atmosphere).

CO2, as referenced, cannot be the cause of GW/GC to any significant degree, because it is the sun's energy and variance in output which determines whether the Earth cools or warms, and we can't control the sun. Nor can we control the water vapor in the air which accounts for the majority of the remainder of process that adds or subtracts from GC/GW.

As mentioned about this thread: the effort is to mislead by stating the obvious, but misdirecting the science to do so. Global Warming has never been doubted, except by those who project it as a fault that they use to label all of the rightwing and, or Christian fundamentalists, among others, to be some sort of idiots or wingnuts.

You're a prime example of that sort of lying pseudo-scientist ...

Betel shoots the messenger before receiving it, "I don't rally have the time or patience for cranks, but I do recommend that you contact a few publications and inform them that they don't realize that the Sun is, you know, ...like, there."

Zat confirmed it, Betel, where have you been? The sun is the driving force of GW/GC, and your mockery can't change that, even though you puff liters of CO2 ...

... but I do recommend that you stick it up your supercilious ...

#154 | Posted by tadowe at 2010-01-10 03:40 AM | Reply | Flag: retardowe gets another F in 5th grade science class.

On the Absorption and Radiation of Heat by Gases and Vapours, and on the Physical Connection of Radiation, Absorption, and Conduction

Tyndall, John, 1861

moron

In 1859 John Tyndall, intrigued by the recently discovered ice ages, took to studying how gases may block heat radiation. Since the work of Joseph Fourier in the 1820s, scientists had understood that the atmosphere might hold in the Earth's heat. The conventional view nevertheless was that gases were entirely transparent. Tyndall tried that out in his laboratory and confirmed it for the main atmospheric gases, oxygen and nitrogen, as well as hydrogen. He was ready to quit when he thought to try another gas that happened to be right at hand in his laboratory: coal-gas. This was a fuel used for lighting (and Bunsen burners), produced industrially by heating coal. It consisted of carbon monoxide (CO) mixed with a bit of the hydrocarbon methane (CH4) and more complex gases. Tyndall found that for heat rays, the gas was as opaque as a plank of wood. Thus the industrial revolution, intruding into Tyndall's laboratory in the form of a gas-jet, declared its significance for the planet's heat balance.

Tyndall immediately went on to study other gases, finding that carbon dioxide gas (CO2) and water vapor in particular also block heat radiation. Tyndall figured that besides water and CO2, "an almost inappreciable mixture of any of the stronger hydrocarbon vapors" such as methane would change the climate.(1) But there was far more water vapor circulating, and although CO2 was only a few parts in ten thousand in the Earth's atmosphere, that was still much more than other gases. There is so little methane in the atmosphere that it was not detected there until 1948.(2) In unraveling the causes of the ice ages or any other climate change, there seemed no reason to look further at methane and the like, and for a century nobody paid the matter much attention.

Not until the mid-20th century would scientists fully grasp, and calculate with some precision, just how the effect works. A rough explanation goes like this. Visible sunlight penetrates easily through the air and warms the Earth's surface. When the surface emits invisible infrared heat radiation, this radiation too easily penetrates the main gases of the air. But as Tyndall found, even a trace of CO2, no more than it took to fill a bottle in his laboratory, is almost opaque to heat radiation. Thus a good part of the radiation that rises from the surface is absorbed by CO2 in the middle levels of the atmosphere. Its energy transfers into the air itself rather than escaping directly into space. Not only is the air thus warmed, but also some of the energy trapped there is radiated back to the surface, warming it further.

That's a shorthand way of explaining the greenhouse effect seeing it from below, from "inside" the atmosphere. Unfortunately, shorthand arguments can be misleading if you push them too far. Fourier, Tyndall and most other scientists for nearly a century used this approach, looking at warming from ground level, so to speak, asking about the radiation that reaches and leaves the surface of the Earth. So they tended to think of the atmosphere overhead as a unit, as if it were a single sheet of glass. (Thus the "greenhouse" analogy.) But this is not how global warming actually works, if you look at the process in detail.

Snoofy#115

Your post isn't clear. Do you infer from any one of my posts that I am a a "religious fundamentalist"?
Would appreciate your pointing examples out for me.

Guess what. I do understand "math and science". I do not make my living in either field per se, but I have a concentration in chemistry (fancy that). In addition, I slogged through four statistics courses in college as well. You know - probability, mean, median, mode, rho (... the meaning of "rho" has always been a little foggy for me, but I digress).

Moreover, I have a brain, can read a basic bar graph, histogram and so forth. I can think somewhat logically, and can once in a while wade through a truck-load of horsehit like m.m.g.w.

When I see disingenuous douchebags like Al Gore living in a tent, riding a bike, growing his own veggies, and re-distributing his multi-millions to the homeless, I'll take his baloney more seriously.

Or maybe he could just actually debate (or even have a conversation with) a real scientist on the subject. That would be a start. Yea, he could trot out the raw data on which the g.w. predictions are based. Ohhh yea.. hold on. I forgot -- they lost the box.

JM

Moreover, I have a brain, can read a basic bar graph, histogram and so forth. I can think somewhat logically, and can once in a while wade through a truck-load of horsehit like m.m.g.w.

All that is useless as long as you insist on wearing blinders.

Take a look around someday beyond what you see out your window. The world is one heck of a lot bigger then what you perceive.

BTW...Al Gore invested his own money and his reputation to try and do something constructive in a world full of corporate criminals. What have you done jim besides deny there is a problem with a smug attitude that you are helping with your personal contribution here on the DR?

Tadowe...Please read post #159. It certainly applies to you too, with your fuzzy math and right wing blinders.

everywhere meaning japan, china, Europe is colder not just a portion of the US. It's something called average and on average it's colder.

It's summer time in the southern hemisphere duffas. Does you concept of the world only include America and Europe? It's also unseasonably warm in the Arctic.

Take a look at this all you know-it-alls.

Take a look at this all you know-it-alls.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

While your at it, if you really want to learn some real facts about our planet, click on the annual dates below on this link. Start with 2010 and work your way back. It's a real eye opener.

Dockj:

I was not trying to imply you are a religious fundamentalist. You asked, more or less, "what's the biggest pile of bullshit out there?" I answered.
Your complaint about Global Warming boils down to: you don't like their spokesman.
You know what? I'm not much of an Al Gore fan myself. I didn't see his movie. I didn't even vote for the guy.
But that's not a valid reason to dismiss anthropogenic climate change.

I can think somewhat logically, and can once in a while wade through a truck-load of horsehit like m.m.g.w.
Great. Wade through this:
What is a greenhouse gas?
Is CO2 a greenhouse gas?
How much CO2 is in the atmosphere today, compared to any time in the past half million years?

I imagine we could all agree to get along and agree that the climate changes since it has and will for thousands of years.

"Cold Snap Doesn't Disprove Global Warming"

It's a "Science" thing. You wouldn't understand.

How [un]Convenient...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

With global warming, he said, "we'll still have record cold temperatures. We'll just have fewer of them."

I guess a cooler than normal 2009 doesn't count either

Flag: Brilliant quote of the day......the climate changes since it has and will for thousands of years.

Great Matsop, you can be taught! Now the only question is how fast and what is causing it.

I guess a cooler than normal 2009 doesn't count either

2009 was not colder then normal. Normal is a long term average. Try again.

I have three years left and man am I ready! I'm not doing one day past 20, and counting leave and terminal leave, I should be out in 2012!

#66 | Posted by boaz
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Hey 3 years will pass quickly. I remember my last 3 years was over before I knew it! It's the first 3 years that is the longest. LOL. It's hard to believe I've been retired since 2003.

Lonnie

Follow the money. There's big money in research grants, climate change organizations etc. etc.

There is one hell of a lot more money in big oil.

#83 | Posted by RingMaster
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I'll agree with RingMaster BUT big oil actually produces something. They have to invest money into drilling the hole and pulling the oil out of the ground.

Climate change organizations don't have to invest money to obtain a product. They really even don't have to produce anything.

Lonnie

They really even don't have to produce anything.

So conservation is nothing? Of course you would think that if you are retired military.

Destruction is US.

They really even don't have to produce anything.

So conservation is nothing? Of course you would think that if you are retired military.

Destruction is US.

#172 | Posted by RingMaster
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Did I mention conservation? I merely pointed out the difference between big oil and scientists. How in hell can you get that out of what I said you POS? Again, you are being a bit disingenous by posting that POS reply.

I'm going to outright say what everyone else want say. I think man-made global warming will be a bigger disaster/failure than when the Democrats tried forcing prohibition on the US.

Lonnie

I'll believe the earth is warming when Al Gore brings his pathetic ass to Texas and goes for a swim in January afterwards coming out of the lake and putting on suntan lotion with no sense of urgency. It ain't going to happen in my lifetime! It's 44 degrees here now.

Lonnie

If you live on the Great Plains or in a big city, where would you ever get the fucking wood? Have you lost your mind?

#9 | POSTED BY SNIPER
You choose to live there too fucking bad.

Newsflash---record cold in Florida tonight--however, should be a very warm 60 degrees midweek--man, I love GWing activists--they're always worth a few laughs---I don't have to go out and pay for my entertainment but instead get it right here on the DR.

#122 | POSTED BY MATSOP

You guys really are too stupid to live.. the data is right in front of you and STILL you chant the FOX mantra and spout out inane replies with not one.. not ONE shred of scientific data that is peer reviewed that supports your position. The canard its cold out thar!, is the battle cry although variations in climate temperature is a hallmark of climate variability and change. The environment always tries to reach equilibrium.

They really even don't have to produce anything.
So conservation is nothing? Of course you would think that if you are retired military.
Destruction is US.

#172 | POSTED BY RINGMASTER

It is the hallmark of the uneducated.( not you ringmaster)

The worst case for implementing processes and technology to combat Climate change would be more efficient equipment (cars, heat pumps, solar panels) new industries, and a cleaner environment. To state that nothing happens when you are efficient shows lack of training in Deming SPC. There is always waste. Loss opportunity is waste. Waste is money.

I would fire your ass if you worked for me Lonnie. Make stupid comments at a workplace ( oh thats right you are military and can't be fired..aka government welfare) and see how long you last in this job environment.

I'll believe the earth is warming when Al Gore brings his pathetic ass to Texas and goes for a swim in January afterwards coming out of the lake and putting on suntan lotion with no sense of urgency. It ain't going to happen in my lifetime! It's 44 degrees here now.

Lonnie

That's fine Lonnie, but don't fool yourself into believing you have an informed opinion on the subject.
As you said, your mind is made up, you don't believe it, and nothing will change your mind. Game over.
Thanks for sharing, I guess?
Just because you will never accept it doesn't mean it's wrong. The Japanese couldn't envision life without an all-powerful Emperor, but they seem to be doing okay. Half a millenium ago, Christianity was really disturbed by the notion of the earth not being at the center of the universe. Turns out it wasn't the end of their world after all.
In fairness, your intransigence doesn't mean it's right either. It really says more about you than science, though.

I would fire your ass if you worked for me Lonnie. Make stupid comments at a workplace ( oh thats right you are military and can't be fired..aka government welfare) and see how long you last in this job environment.

#178 | Posted by Legio
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So you are "Reading My Mind" when you go on that unintelligent road that Dungmaster was on hugh? A. I never mentioned conservation, he did. I explained the difference between big oil and the fraudsters. If you'd only learn to read and stop being a stupid ass like Dungmaster.

There's a difference then, I wouldn't fire your ass, I'd make you quit because I'd make your life a living fucking hell until you did.

Obviously your not too fucking bright are you furio. I'm retired from the military not currently still in it. It's not welfare if you worked for it. I've lasted 6 years in the outside job environment so fuck off.

Lonnie

Snoof
C'mom brutha... Everyong knows by now that the "hockey stick" graph was doctored-up! Sheesh!!!

And the idea that putting more C02 into the atmosphere can make material changes in temps is silly. There are so many positive and negative feedback loops to balance these things -- we couldn't affect the grand system up or down if we tried.

Don't get me wrong either. I am environmentally concerned. I don't want chemical poisons in my soil or water. I cringe at waste and pollution. I'd like to see and end to styrofoam. Wind and solar are great ideas! Yea - I would love to be in a position to be "off the grid". In the meantime though - we need to drill our own oil right here at home instead of buying from dirty rotten scumbags who want to kill us.

But the idea of taking even more of my dough for the purpose of staving off catastrophic "anthropomorphic" global warming??? This is nothing but a colossal money grab by disingenuous pols and other phonies.

Yes - I abhor Al Gore, and that may drive my anger over this a bit -- but believe me -- not much.

JM

Another thing furio, what in the hell do you mean when you say I make comments in a workplace? I'm off on Sundays and Mondays and I really don't talk about anything when I'm at work, only when I get off work.

Obviously, you haven't got a clue!

"Everyong(sic) knows by now that the "hockey stick" graph was doctored-up!"

National Academy of Sciences affirms hockey-stick graph
Nature 441, 1032-1033 (29 June 2006) | doi:10.1038/4411032a; Published online 28 June 2006

So you are "Reading My Mind" when you go on that unintelligent road that Dungmaster was on hugh? A. I never mentioned conservation, he did. I explained the difference between big oil and the fraudsters. If you'd only learn to read and stop being a stupid ass like Dungmaster.
There's a difference then, I wouldn't fire your ass, I'd make you quit because I'd make your life a living fucking hell until you did.
Obviously your not too fucking bright are you furio. I'm retired from the military not currently still in it. It's not welfare if you worked for it. I've lasted 6 years in the outside job environment so fuck off.
Lonnie

#179 | POSTED BY LWALK17

Too bad your not smart enough to verbalize what the fuck you are talking about. When many can't understand your writing, perhaps it is time to bone up on the ol' writing skills. It is a skill you know.

Good for you loser. How is Mcdonald's benefits?

BTW I am self employed even in THIS economy. Fuck you very much.

Another thing furio, what in the hell do you mean when you say I make comments in a workplace? I'm off on Sundays and Mondays and I really don't talk about anything when I'm at work, only when I get off work.
Obviously, you haven't got a clue!

#181 | POSTED BY LWALK17

I would suggest tomorrow you enlighten your workplace with your AGW tirade and tell them there is no need to recycle, conserve or save money because its all bullshit. See how far that takes you at Burger King bucko!

I am just CLUELESS.

What a maroon..

Too bad your not smart enough to verbalize what the fuck you are talking about. When many can't understand your writing, perhaps it is time to bone up on the ol' writing skills. It is a skill you know.

Good for you loser. How is Mcdonald's benefits?

BTW I am self employed even in THIS economy. Fuck you very much.

#183 | Posted by Legio
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I'm smart enough to get my point across to everyone else who did not have to ride the short bus to school like yourself.

I would not know about McDonald's benefits. a. I don't work for McDonalds and b. I do not work for minimum wage. I'm not that cheap.

Lonnie

I would suggest tomorrow you enlighten your workplace with your AGW tirade and tell them there is no need to recycle, conserve or save money because its all bullshit. See how far that takes you at Burger King bucko!

I am just CLUELESS.

What a maroon..

#184 | Posted by Legio
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I'll do that when you start preaching to your customers about your AGW fantasies. I'll start the countdown as to when customers stop calling you. Again, just like your references for McDonald's, Burger King can't afford me either.

Again, I never spoke out against recycling or conserving anything. Obviously that point was missed in your fucking idiot rant. How does it feel to be stupid?

Lonnie

Newsflash---record cold in Florida tonight--however, should be a very warm 60 degrees midweek--man, I love GWing activists--they're always worth a few laughs---I don't have to go out and pay for my entertainment but instead get it right here on the DR.

#122 | POSTED BY MATSOP

You guys really are too stupid to live.. the data is right in front of you and STILL you chant the FOX mantra and spout out inane replies with not one.. not ONE shred of scientific data that is peer reviewed that supports your position. The canard its cold out thar!, is the battle cry although variations in climate temperature is a hallmark of climate variability and change. The environment always tries to reach equilibrium.

#176 | Posted by legio

How can one give ONE shred of scientific data debunking something that doesn't exist---we have a lot of Don Quixotes on the DR tilting at imaginary windmills and it is amusing when many of the scientists (some formulators of GW) formerly supporting GW are slinking off into the darkness embarassed at having supported this bogus theory. I think we should set a pool up and give odds and then bet which DR supporter of this hypothesis will be the last one standing still babbling to himself incoherently.

Matsop-
re: ...it is amusing when many of the scientists (some formulators of GW) formerly supporting GW are slinking off into the darkness embarassed at having supported this bogus theory.

Name one, just to get us started.

I'll do that when you start preaching to your customers about your AGW fantasies. I'll start the countdown as to when customers stop calling you. Again, just like your references for McDonald's, Burger King can't afford me either.
Again, I never spoke out against recycling or conserving anything. Obviously that point was missed in your fucking idiot rant. How does it feel to be stupid?
Lonnie

#186 | POSTED BY LWALK17

Blah blah blah..

Its all fantasy.. too bad you are stuck in some cubicle farm and not working the land.. see I am a farmer(MA in Economics) and the weather patterns are a changing.. but since dickbags like you aren't even remotely close to the land, you wouldn't see that planting dates change, tree rings are getting larger, rainfall patterns change..on and on. not normal.

yeah yeah I know all climate is local, but since our farm has been in the family for over 200 years things get passed down to each generation.

keep living your fantasy and "fantastic" corporate whore job, I'll take my job any day.

You have made up your mind, I have made up mine. leave it at that.

Matsop-
re: ...many of the scientists (some formulators of GW) formerly supporting GW...

There are "many", so one or two examples(names) should be easy.

Matsop-
re: ...it is amusing when many of the scientists (some formulators of GW) formerly supporting GW are slinking off into the darkness embarassed at having supported this bogus theory.
Name one, just to get us started.

#188 | POSTED BY BETELG

The right are a bunch of liars that spout generalizations and hyperbole, start talking specifics and they wither like Nosferatu in the sunlight.

...going way out on a sturdy branch here, but do you think that "Matsop" is writing bullshit checks he can't cash?

It seems so.

yeah yeah I know all climate is local, but since our farm has been in the family for over 200 years things get passed down to each generation.

#189 | Posted by Legio at 2010-01-10 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Better hope that death tax doesn't come to get ya - or have a whole lotta cash for your offspring to pay the taxes - lots of family farms are going to bite the big one with the inheritance tax - lots already have.

El Cid-
Do you know what the exemption is for a family on the inheritance tax? In other words, how much must an estate be worth before ANYTHING above that amount (and only above that) is taxed?

I'm guessing you don't.

going way out on a sturdy branch here, but do you think that "Matsop" is writing bullshit checks he can't cash?

#192 | Posted by BetelG

Beteljuice, I'll give you one and then try to stay up all night giving thousands of others but I may get CTS typing all of them---Frederick Seitz--past president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, President Emeritus of Rockefeller University and recipient of honorary degrees from 32 universities throughout the world. Try that one on for size.

Matsop-
When was Seitz a proponent of the prospect of anthropogenic global warming?

Matsop-
re: ...it is amusing when many of the scientists (some formulators of GW) formerly supporting GW are slinking off into the darkness embarassed at having supported this bogus theory.

Name one, just to get us started.

#188 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-01-10 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Matsop-
try again

You can't seem to provide one example, Matsop, much less "many", or in your new delusion, "thousands".

I'm guessing you don't.

#195 | Posted by BetelG at 2010-01-10 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, I know you don't.

Here's TN rates:

Regarding Seitz, though, this is interesting:

Shortly before his retirement from Rockefeller University in 1979, Seitz began working as a paid permanent consultant for the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, advising their research program.[4]. In a discussion of the dangers of secondary inhalation of tobacco smoke, he concluded "there is no good scientific evidence that passive inhalation is truly dangerous under normal circumstances."[5] Philip Morris attorney Alexander Holtzman described Seitz in a 1989 internal memo as "quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice."[6]

El cid-
Talk to Tennessee, firstly (as this is a state and not a federal example) - but even in TN it's not 9.5% of $1,000,000, it's 9.5% of anything ABOVE $1,000,000.

"9.5% of 1,000,000 is not chump change."

Dumbass. It's a $1,000,000 EXEMPTION!

Actually, the 9.5% rate is only on valuations above $1,440,000.

Ronald Prinn, Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry in MIT's Department of Earth Atmospheric and Planetary Science---published a paper in the Geophysical Review Letters along with Matthew Rigby which contradicted previous data (?climategate)---they did their paper in concert with researchers from the CSIRO (commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization), Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Bristol and Scripps Institution of Oceanography. Methane gas measurements came from the advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE) which is supported by NASA and the Australian (CSIRO) network---now, do you mental midgets (BETELJUICE etal) want me to give you hundreds of others?

re: #205 Oh, the HORROR! It's just like hitler and the Jews, Danforth.

First they came for the spoiled brats of the rich...

Matsop-

You are a gullible idiot and easy prey to manipulative idiots:

(Matsop- Since you seem to be a bit slow, Prinn's work disputes some projections in the sense that his work finds the impact and warming being more severe, not less)

Again, later blog.

-now, do you mental midgets (BETELJUICE etal) want me to give you hundreds of others?

#206 | Posted by matsop at 2010-01-10 11:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since you can't produce one, I would love for you to provide "hundreds of others", but I really must go.

Adios.

Matsop- Since you seem to be a bit slow, Prinn's work disputes some projections in the sense that his work finds the impact and warming being more severe, not less)

Again, later blog.

#209 | Posted by BetelG

Aaaah, Beteljuice leaves when the heat turns up--if he had read Prin's work he would have seen in the conclusion that Prinn essentially says the GW theory doesn't hold water with their findings.

-if he had read Prin's work he would have seen in the conclusion that Prinn essentially says the GW theory doesn't hold water with their findings.

#211 | Posted by matsop at 2010-01-10 11:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Post it. The original, though I can't imagine why you haven't already done so.

"Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA's vocal man-made global warming fear soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen "embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was "was never muzzled." Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of man-made global warming fears."

Aaaaah, where is Beteljuice hiding--- I love these GWers---like I said more scientists are jumping off the GW ship in order not to look like Beteljuice and the misinformed advocates.

Matsop-
1. When was Theon a GW proponent?

2. Please post Prinn's work.

BTW, Matsop, when you post shit like this, why do you never say where you pasted it from?

"retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA's vocal man-made global warming fear soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen "embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was "was never muzzled." Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of man-made global warming fears."

El Cid-
Do you know what the exemption is for a family on the inheritance tax? In other words, how much must an estate be worth before ANYTHING above that amount (and only above that) is taxed?
I'm guessing you don't.

#195 | POSTED BY BETELG

especially since it has a historical designation..

lots of exemptions if you know what the fuck you are doing..

I've really had it with your hackery, Matsop.

I'm wasting no more time on it tonight.

9.5% of 1,000,000 is not chump change. How many farms do you think are worth more than 1 mil? And if they do not have the 9.5% - how do you think they have to come up with the money?

#201 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90

the value of the farm is the stepped up value at the time of death. that is your basis..If the farm resides in a trust it doesn't matter. The trustee is a CEO and CEO's come and go..no consequence.

I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made," Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. "I was, in effect, Hansen's supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results," Theon, the former Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA Headquarters and former Chief of the Atmospheric Dynamics & Radiation Branch explained.

"Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA's official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind's effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress," Theon wrote. [Note: NASA scientist James Hansen has created worldwide media frenzy with his dire climate warning, his call for trials against those who dissent against man-made global warming fear, and his claims that he was allegedly muzzled by the Bush administration despite doing 1,400 on-the-job media interviews! -

Beteljuice, Dr. Theon's letter is on the senate's website---since I've put a lot of work into studying GW I'm not about to make it easy for you characters that spout all kinds of irrelevant garbage without working at it to really look into this fraudulent theory

Beteljuice, here's some more:

Theon declared "climate models are useless." "My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit," Theon explained. "Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to how science should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy," he added.

"As Chief of several of NASA Headquarters' programs (1982-94), an SES position, I was responsible for all weather and climate research in the entire agency, including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer, Joanne Simpson, and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers, in academia, and in the private sector who worked on climate research," Theon wrote of his career. "This required a thorough understanding of the state of the science. I have kept up with climate science since retiring by reading books and journal articles," Theon added. (LINK) Theon also co-authored the book "Advances in Remote Sensing Retrieval Methods." [Note: Theon joins many current and former NASA scientists in dissenting from man-made climate fears. A small sampling includes: Aerospace engineer and physicist Dr. Michael Griffin, the former top administrator of NASA, Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt, Award-winning NASA Astronaut and Physicist Walter Cunningham of NASA's Apollo 7, Chemist and Nuclear Engineer Robert DeFayette was formerly with NASA's Plum Brook Reactor, Hungarian Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist with 30 years of experience and a former researcher with NASA's Ames Research Center, Climatologist Dr. John Christy, Climatologist Dr. Roy W. Spencer, Atmospheric Scientist Ross Hays of NASA's Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility]

Goodnight Irene (I mean Beteljuice)--do you feel the sand shifting out from under your feet---don't be the last one leaving the GW sinking ship.

the problem that many AGW proponents have is . . .

in the recent past most have flipped out lecturing friends or family with a tirade at the dinner table, water cooler, some gathering, or by posting on-line - - -

they now feel that backtracking is no longer an option . . . even if they must continue to spout nonsense

Exactly right, Mark!

Consensus "science" has them locked into their opinions, because they've signed their name to it.

... It seemed a good idea at the time, after all their "peers" were all getting stature and "recognition" for joining in agreement that, "YES!" GW is a FACT!

Then, the "institution of consensus" uses their signature to "prove" that man has caused GW ...

If you go to James L. Smythson, PhD, and ask him why he thinks man has caused GW, he will stare at you as if you were a madman, because although he knows GW is a fact, he can't say what causes it.

Indeed, he can only say that, "Yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas and adds to overall GW ... the more CO2, the more heat it adds to overall planetary temperature, a priori.

Not knowing what the term "a priori" means, the reporter says that man made CO2 contributes to GW, and his editor (like the ones here) can re-write it to say that man's CO2 has caused increased GW,

Then, the Chicken Littles of the party can scurry about blaming mankind for the horrors of GW ... even though it has allowed mankind to prosper and advance in civilazation, after the hell of the last Ice Age ...

You little chickenshits are the biggest cowards and base liars on this planet ... the whole damned collective of you dumbed down idiots ... whatever your "degree"!

"Everyong(sic) knows by now that the "hockey stick" graph was doctored-up!"

National Academy of Sciences affirms hockey-stick graph
Nature 441, 1032-1033 (29 June 2006) | doi:10.1038/4411032a; Published online 28 June 2006

www.nature.com

Somebody's lying.
Guess who?
It's the illiterate moron quoted at the top.

#182 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2010-01-10 09:07 PM | Reply

If you are going to call someone an "illiterate moron" it's best to have your facts buttoned down tight. Look at the date of publish in your post - 2006.

The hockey stick graph has been thoroughly debunked since then.

Zat's degree isn't in common sense, and his occasional efforts to post his dated materical has backfired in his internet face.

Consequently, now we see him merely issuing the unreasoned insult for the most part ... a bitter engineer trapped into his consensus science cemented-for-brains, dated knowledge and unable to admit any doubt because he could lose his consensus science job, be peer reviled, banned from publication by the consensus science/science publishing house complex, denied access to research facilities if he tried to do any "independent" science; other than recanting his heresy with some mathematical trickery as 'proof' for the Big Bang Icon or other required obeisance to the Insitution.

Poor Zat ...

Cold Snap Doesn't Disprove Global Warming

No, but it certainly doesn't help the averages either.

"dated materical(sic)"

Try F=MA.

Keep it up Retardowe, I'm laughing my ass off.
You're funnier than a fart in a spacesuit, and about as stupid, but you have a ways to go to rise to that level.

I haven't seen your abstract at Astrophysical Letters.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Remember the scene in Inglourious Basterds at the theatre where the actress says she broke her leg mountain climbing? The way the SS officer laughed?
I'm laughing like that.

"dated materical(sic)"

Zat says, "I haven't seen your abstract at Astrophysical Letters."

It isn't my 'abstract', Zat, and since it belongs to Stephen Smith and Thunderbolt Picture of the Day. Besides, it is an article that explains in plain language, not hide behind mathematical calculations, the facts of the matter, and an explanation which highlights the electric forces involved.

It is typical, that someone like you will come in and disparage that, mocking it in some way while you studiously avoid explaining why their explanation is incorrect.

You can't actually, explain why they might be incorrect, since the article asserts no incorrect conclusion ... otherwise you would be here posting your uncontrovertable prood, just as sure as 2 + 2 = 4 (except in quantum math) ...

You huff and puff so much, I'm surprised that they don't have you down as mankind's primary source of CO2 ...

"dated materical(sic)"

10 January 2010
nsidc.org

That's like, so yesterday man.

What does your more recent link have to do with the article you posted on the hockey stick, which is what was criticized for being old?

I like the statement, itself, and in which you can't find anything claiming mankind caused GW:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

See? They state the obvious, because even though not causing GW, per se, how could our CO2 *NOT* "change" the atmosphere??? This is propaganda and intended to lead a Chicken Little fear response.

"Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes."

More obvious bs which misdirects that Mother Nature beats us all hollow in comparison; e.g., mankind only produces 10-12 percent of CO2, so that even if we reduced CO2 emissions in the entire world by an order of 10 (literally impossible at any cost) then we would only slow or retard GW by 9%, 9 years in 100.

GW would continue and only slowed, except if by some horrible circumstance our small percentage of the total causes a reversal of GW to GC!

Really, who wants to end GW, since the alternative is GC which will kill millions and eventually lead back to the caves for mankind ...

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring."

Duh! No one denies it, except for the leftists who claim that the rightwing is saying it!

"If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur."

Yes, as new arable land is taken from the ice fields, more plant and animal life will start in those areas, while seaside mansions and yacht harbors become the payment as coastline flooding moves the rich more inland. Mankind will prosper with new food supplies and civilazation can advance with the new leisure increased supplies of energy provide. GW has benefitted mankind since the end of the last Ice Age, and messing with the system is chancy, considering the cold alternatives.

"We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now."

Hmmm ... why?

"Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth's climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms."

Yeah? Then what for in hell do you weatherpersons want to take the clock apart???

ARE YOU CRAZY CHILDREN???

"The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases."

Even though it won't actually have much of an effect on either GW/GC, due to the small percent we can actually do so ... certainly not by our small percent, which wouldn't slow anything very much, 1 year in 10.

... So, I guess even with their expensive meddling and taking the damn fine instrument apart before they know how it works, they can't actually kill much more of humankind than would nature plant as mulch, anyway ...

But, not with my taxes, you socialistic creep wannabes ...