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Wednesday, January 06, 2010

In a time when the government says they want to make healthcare cheaper it seems someone forget to tell the FDA. The government agency is on a mission to get all non approved FDA drugs off the market. Many of these drugs have been around a long time, are cheap and are helping patients that need them. But the FDA is encouraging Big Pharma to apply for FDA approval of a "branded" version of drugs that are already on the market. Once this approval is given the new FDA approved version cost more and the old version is now illegal to sell and the pharmaceutical companies sue to keep it of the market.

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meanwhile cheapo MMS gets pounded on by the pharm shills....hmmm

I would have never have thought big Pharma would need encouragment to screw regular folks.

"We have a deal, the drug companies are on board!"
--- Obama ---

I don't condone what's going on in the article if that is in fact the full story.

If they are trying to re-market old stuff and jack up the prices, that's fucked up. Particularly if they're making the exact same thing.

meanwhile cheapo MMS gets pounded on by the pharm shills....hmmm

Maybe because there is no information to back its effectiveness and what "literature" the producer provides is a fucking joke with sham "science."

Maybe because there is no information to back its effectiveness and what "literature" the producer provides is a fucking joke with sham "science."

#4 | Posted by jpw

gee, I thought this was a self retort or something...

I'd ask you to explain how vaccines (or whatever you're referring to) are unaffective and backed by sham science, but I know I'll only get a bunch of links that you don't actually understand but know they agree with you.

So don't bother.

I'd ask you to explain how vaccines (or whatever you're referring to) are unaffective and backed by sham science, but I know I'll only get a bunch of links that you don't actually understand but know they agree with you.

So don't bother.

#6 | Posted by jpw

you choose not to understand them because you don't agree with them ~ Mr. knowitall!

you choose not to understand them because you don't agree with them

I understand them just fine. They are just often wrong.

Mr. knowitall

There is much I don't know and I'll be the first to tell you that.

However, the butchering of basic science I see on so many links is incredible.

"There is much I don't know and I'll be the first to tell you that."

not much butchering here imho...:>)

www.whale.to

Carl C. Pfeiffer, MD, PhD

"For every drug that benefits a patient, there is a natural substance that can achieve the same effect." Pfeiffer's Law

not much butchering here imho

Given your woefully inadequate understanding of biology, how the hell could you tell a butchering of science from an elegant experiment?

Personally, I doubt you're qualified to tell a green field from a cold steel rail.

But by all means, please continue to demonstrate your all-encompassing ignorance on this subject.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2010-01-07 01:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'd ask you to explain how vaccines (or whatever you're referring to) are unaffective and backed by sham science

I thought you were the "expert" (relatively speaking)? There's already a full thread by a microbiologist expert explaining all of that. Of course you must overlook that then expect the DR community to explain it to you. How's it going with the bridge you were trying to sell on that thread?

What a scumbag.

#11 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2010-01-07 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag: only the scumbag shills are qualified to address the topic

Given your woefully inadequate understanding of biology, how the hell could you tell a butchering of science from an elegant experiment?

only the scumbag shills are qualified to address the topic

LR, now I understand the origin of your willful stupidity. In your diseased mind, educating yourself equates to becoming a "scumbag shill".

You value irrationality above logic and tout the virtues of ignorance. Your opinions may be entertaining, but they're hardly of any consequence.

Please let me demonstrate my all-encompassing ignorance on this subject......

"how the hell could you tell a butchering of science from an elegant experiment?"

If you are referring to the proposed Autism-Vaccination link, I am willing to say that the science is still in question.

The studies I have read actually look at the causal relationship between autism and vaccination rates don't drill down far enough for what I believe needs to be looked at. They only look across the broad spectrum of a population.
jama.ama-assn.org

Autism has been shown to be linked to various genetics, environmental factors, plus antibodies, and the immune system of the mother.
74.125.155.132

From a simpletons view of biological logic, if autism is linked to the immune system, and genetic factors, and that vaccinations are immune system related, there might be a causal relationship.

If you have a study, I am interested, but I am looking for an experiment that looks at genetic autism predisposition, and Thimerosal, Thimerosal-free vaccinations.

My theory is that perhaps the problems with Thimerosal occurs in people that are inclined with autism. Since the causes, and levels of autism are not known, is seems reasonable that autism symptoms are fairly easy to instigate. Perhaps much easier than previously understood.

From a purely statistical point of view, just because we haven't found a causal relationship in certain conditions in a dataset, doesn't mean a causal relationship doesn't exist within a subset of the dataset, its all about the definition of outliers. We just haven't asked the right questions. While I am not positive there is a relationship, as a scientist, I am skeptical to write it off just yet.

#16
Relating to just one tiny aspect of autism explosion related to hyper-vaccinations:

If parents allow their children to be vaccinated according to the CDC recommendations, that is 2 seasonal flu vaccines and 2 swine flu vaccines as well as a pneumococcal vaccine, that will increase the number of vaccines a child will have by age 6 years to 41. This amounts to an enormous amount of aluminum and mercury as well as intense brain inflammation triggered by vaccine-induced microglial activation.

Immune-glutamatergic dysfunction as a central mechanism of the autism spectrum disorders. Current Medicinal Chemistry 2009; 16: 157-170.

I thought you were the "expert" (relatively speaking)?

I'm asking Bani to explain his position as opposed to cutting and pasting links from other people.

There's already a full thread by a microbiologist expert explaining all of that. Of course you must overlook that then expect the DR community to explain it to you.

LOL I kicked your ass all over that thread. You never addressed a single point I made against what your "microbiologist" is saying, just harped on my use of google to find two example papers showing the efficacy of influenza vaccines.

thebovine.wordpress.com

There's a bit of "science" from your microbiologist. It displays a disturbing lack of understanding of basic immunology as well as a stacked deck view of vaccinology. This is the person you want to use for an argument from authority?

I'd tell you to try again, but I'm sure the next argument from authority you'll make (because you don't actually know what you're talking about to begin with) will be from someone with similar views and similar distortions.

What a scumbag.

LOL this from the guy who doesn't actually know the topic he's debating, just how to hit control+C.

#18 jpw
LOL I kicked your ass all over that thread....

How shocking for the bridge seller to claim victory! How did you win anyways? Your junior high ad hominem attacks? What everyone will remember is my #1, as you admitted, your screwup on Pandemic definition change and then your attempted coverup lie "bridge for sale".

how to hit control+C. !

"I'm asking Bani to explain his position as opposed to cutting and pasting links from other people."

Because you can't really debunk 'em, so you go after the messager with worthless cheapshots & innuendos? lol

www.chidvd.com

The infrared hothouse feature therein does more for most individuals in serious pain than I suspect most of the pharm products available today!

"LOL I kicked your ass all over that thread."

only in your wet dreams...lol

yeah, it was a cheapshot.,.my bad:>(

meanwhile this incredible story was never addressed by Zombie or JPW as far as I could tell.

Gee, I wonder why? Oh, I get it, no 'body' bin brought or killed off yet....

WHO Mr Flu' under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
December 8, 2009

The man with the nickname "Dr Flu", Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

www.financialsense.com

How shocking for the bridge seller to claim victory! How did you win anyways? Your junior high ad hominem attacks?

First of all, you bitching about ad hominem attacks is rather rich considering you don't really address points, just nitpicks and your own ad hominems.

Second, I declared victory because I went through the quoted sections and discussed each one, point by point and talked about why they were wrong. Did you refute any of it? No, you nitpicked my use of Google to find two papers while Bani nitpicked the fact that the authors were in and used the Israeli military as the cohort.

Hardly a solid rebuttal.

What everyone will remember is my #1, as you admitted, your screwup on Pandemic definition change and then your attempted coverup lie "bridge for sale".

My screw up? I didn't know that they ADDED conditions to it ie-the definition WAS the very same one I learned BEFORE H1N1 was discovered.

Also, are you forgetting the fact that the change was made to make the definition MORE stringent and therefore, harder to declare? This is the exact OPPOSITE of what you'd like to believe, that they changed it to make it EASIER to declare a pandemic.

You are one delusional son of a bitch, LR.

Oh, and ad hominem.

Because you can't really debunk 'em, so you go after the messager with worthless cheapshots & innuendos? lol

Damnit, messed up the last post.

Yes, bani, I took a cheap shot at you. You cut and paste shit and consider that "debate" without displaying any real knowledge or understanding of the topic. MMS is a great example of this. I can tell by your support of it that you either haven't read the brochures written by the producers or you are simply too ignorant to see why they're so fucking wrong.

MMS is a great example of this. I can tell by your support of it that you either haven't read the brochures written by the producers or you are simply too ignorant to see why they're so fucking wrong.

#25 | Posted by jpw

must be the voice of experience here!...meanwhile thousands of people have had terriffic results with MMS ~ including me & numerous friends of mine.

Gee, who to listen to?...Some anal at times blog commentator here in annoymous Drudge Retort who talks up his vast scientific expertise (& while showing perhaps some evidences of it at times ~ ignores & attempts to debunks the exteme toxicity issues of putting any mercury in one's body via amalgams & so on) or embrace the wonderful reality that there are countless alternatives just as viable or more so than the highly expensive & ineffective ~ at times ~ orthodox medical advice currently being pushed by big pharm that is currently also apparently bankrupting this country as this graph currently on Rcade's front page suggests?

blogs.ngm.com

hell of a runon sentence there ~ aye?...see I can swear, too:>)

meanwhile thousands of people have had terriffic results with MMS ~ including me & numerous friends of mine.

The plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.

If it really works, put it through rigorous study to show that is in fact the case. Otherwise, it appears that one's hesitancy to do so is because they themselves harbor doubt as to the outcome.

Some anal at times blog commentator here in annoymous Drudge Retort who talks up his vast scientific expertise

I'll be the first to tell you my scientific knowledge is far from vast. I am well versed, however, in basic biology, which is the level of biology being used in most of these sham products descriptions.

I'm sure people more knowledgeable than me on some of the specific topics would spot even more problems and inconsistencies.

ignores & attempts to debunks the exteme toxicity issues of putting any mercury in one's body via amalgams & so on)

I know very little about the amalgams issue, so little I don't comment on it.

As to "mercury" in vaccines, there is plenty of research on the topic and although I've definitely not made an exhaustive reading of the material, I've seen enough to know it isn't what it's made out to be by anti-vaxxers.

I also take issue with the oversimplification of thimerosal=mercury because it isn't true. It's basic chemistry that says that comparison is ridiculous.

hell of a runon sentence there ~ aye?...see I can swear, too:>)

Oh common, I'm sure you can do better than that.

"If it really works, put it through rigorous study to show that is in fact the case."

meanwhile thousands are benefiting significiantly from it...

While the real scam keeps getting buried in the controlled news it seems...

October 14, 2009
Dr. Len Horowitz Files Pandemic Charges Against Rockefeller
LOS ANGELES, CA Drug-industry investigators have uncovered documents exposing an international drug ring, operating from New York City, is behind the H1N1 swine flu fright and vaccination preparations.

www.bridgetbagley.com

If it really works, put it through rigorous study to show that is in fact the case.
-JPW

meanwhile thousands are benefiting significiantly from it...
-Bani

If that is true, Bani, it shouldn't be hard for you to do the study. Why don't you make your point with hard evidence instead of hot air?

www.fluscam.com

Yeah, given Horowitz's past and views, I'll hold off on believing much of what he says.

Based on his website, I see it's his typical hysterical method of sucking people in so they can buy his products.

He's a slick salesmen, nothing more.

I'll try to read it though and see how much he's really got.

Based on his website, I see it's his typical hysterical method of sucking people in so they can buy his products.

He reminds me of a slightly more deranged version of Billy Mays. Add in a comical butchering of biology and a legion of gullible idiots to back him, and I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or shake my head and sigh.

WHO Mr Flu' under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
December 8, 2009

The man with the nickname "Dr Flu", Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

www.financialsense.com

#22 | Posted by Bani

meanwhile you 2 continue to ignore the obvious...:>)

meanwhile you 2 continue to ignore the obvious

I'm well aware that you're an idiot... at least you're a slightly entertaining one.

Are you capable of doing anything beyond linking to quacks and copying their nonsensical ramblings?

meanwhile you 2 continue to ignore the obvious...:>)

For the third or fourth time, there's an entire thread on that topic.

Are you capable of doing anything beyond linking to quacks and copying their nonsensical ramblings?

#33 | Posted by ZombieHunter

lol

meanwhile i repeat ~~ no one has debunk this below article because you two cannot & it can't be done apparently, so u two do what you both do best ~ attack any messager of the obvious truths such as this anyway you can:>)LOL

WHO Mr Flu' under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
December 8, 2009

The man with the nickname "Dr Flu", Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

www.financialsense.com

#22 | Posted by Bani

meanwhile you 2 continue to ignore the obvious...:>)

#32 | Posted by Bani

Apparently undebunkable!

WHO Mr Flu' under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
December 8, 2009

The man with the nickname "Dr Flu", Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

www.financialsense.com

WHO Chief Not Yet Vaccinated

I have asked my medical service to enquire where I can go to get my vaccination," she told reporters in Geneva, pointing out that she has just returned from leave.

The WHO director-general stressed that she would "of course" get vaccinated and that "many of my staff" at the WHO have already taken their jabs against the A(H1N1) virus.

What a fraud. Wasn't Pandemic Level 6 declared back in May? We've been through to "scares", but still no need to vaccinate for the head honcho?

He can't get sick. Who would lower the Pandemic Level three years from now?

Wasn't Pandemic Level 6 declared back in May?

It takes time to make vaccines, and in this case those who need to be first in line to receive them are the healthcare workers. These people are in constant contact with people who are already in poor health. They are at the highest risk of both becoming infected by and transmitting the virus. With limited supplies, it is unethical to use your position or contacts to "jump ahead" and get vaccinated when you are not in the highest priority group.

I and a lot of other people could have got the vaccine very early on, but at that point there wasn't enough for people who needed it most. The head of the WHO doesn't see patients. He didn't need the vaccine any more than I did. I got vaccinated as soon as the healthcare workers were finished, but I didn't need it more than they did.

If he had been vaccinated immediately, shit-for-brains hacks like LR would take pot shots at him for his "cowardice". Once again, who gives a fuck what these imbeciles think?

If he had been vaccinated immediately, shit-for-brains hacks like LR would take pot shots at him for his "cowardice".

Exactly.

Or it would be "proof" that the WHO produced and spread H1N1 in order for the reptilian international banker cabal to profit from vaccine sales.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

With douchebags like LR who find their self-worth by going against any perceived grain (it makes them fell oh so smart and tingly), there is no right answer.

Once again, who gives a fuck what these imbeciles think?

#38 | Posted by ZombieHunter

self retorting again?

Meanwhile no one can debunk or even address the real H1ni truth apparently at least in DR...

WHO Mr Flu' under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
December 8, 2009

The man with the nickname "Dr Flu", Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

www.financialsense.com

Meanwhile no one can debunk or even address the real H1ni truth apparently at least in DR...

Find the thread, Bani and STFU.

You're probably as familiar with that link as you are with the snopes link you constantly throw up on these threads.

Meanwhile no one can debunk or even address the real H1ni truth apparently at least in DR...

Find the thread, Bani and STFU.

You're probably as familiar with that link as you are with the snopes link you constantly throw up on these threads.

"Find the thread, Bani and STFU."

Yes sir!

WHO Mr Flu' under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
author of Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order
by F. William Engdahl
December 8, 2009

The man with the nickname "Dr Flu", Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

www.financialsense.com

undebunkable...lol

undebunkable...lol

No, a stupid mistake and unethical behavior in not listing and maintaining conflicts of interest.

Hardly any sort of concrete proof that H1N1 is some lab concocted virus intentionally released into the population.

"No, a stupid mistake and unethical behavior in not listing and maintaining conflicts of interest."

that's all? ha, ha! lol FF#44

Happy Extinction?

'Bonanza' for drug firms as NHS admits it is giving away 1billion of swine flu vaccine
By: malterwitty

Millions of doses of swine flu vaccine are to be given away - at a possible cost of 1billion.

Some 132million doses of the jab were ordered at the height of the scare about a worldwide pandemic.

But this has proved to be a colossal miscalculation - and millions of doses are lying unwanted.
www.dailymail.co.uk

"Fuck you're stupid, Bani."

#3 | Posted by jpw http://www.drudge.com/news/ 128832/mr-flu-under- investigation#2977303

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