Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, January 06, 2010

In a brief statement to the nation, President Obama used the word "failure" six times to characterize his government's performance regarding the attempted Christmas Day plane bombing. "The bottom line is this," Obama said. "The U.S. government had sufficient information to have uncovered this plot and potentially disrupt the Christmas Day attack, but our intelligence community failed to connect those dots."

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Hey, he knows quality material when he sees it.

But he could jump the gun and send Axlerod out to the talk shows the following Sunday to tell everyone how well the Administration handled this. Stick to speeches Obama. We all know you and your Administration are in over your fucking heads when it comes to anything else.

i'm sorry

i didn't know that our president was supposed to micro manage the intelligence community.

i thought our last president set up the system that failed.

why don't you guys lay blame on those that deserve it.

i didn't know that our president was supposed to micro manage the intelligence community.
Posted by klifferd

Either did B.O. He thought he was elected to speechify and put on Wednesday shindigs at the W.H.

Obama not micromanaging the intel community led to a Nigerian igniting his underwear. Bush's inattention was punctuated by 3,000 deaths. Must be some mighty powerful soma laced in that Champion Premium Potbelly Piglet mix in the trough frequented by the GOPiggies.

FTA: Obama has already announced a number of changes to deal with these oversights, and he promised more on Tuesday. Security screening has been beefed up at airports, both foreign and domestic, especially for the citizens of such countries as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and the Sudan. More air marshals have been added. More names have been added to the no-fly list. "The State Department is now requiring embassies and consulates to include current visa information in their warning on individuals with terrorist or suspected terrorist connections,"

So unlike Bush, Obama readily admits to the FAIL here.

Also unlike Bush he seems determined to fix the problems and not just the blame.

Aint got a problem with that.

Be Well.

Here's Sarvis right on cue with another deflection to Bush. You're going to be one worn out chump after 3 more years of this, Mr. Ricochet

"The U.S. government had sufficient information to have uncovered this plot and potentially disrupt the Christmas Day attack, but our intelligence community failed to connect those dots."

What do you really disagree with about this statement??? That is a statement of fact.

Bringing history into a discussion is not a "deflection." It provide perspective, and while that's not terribly convenient for Republicans at the moment they're just being intellectually dishonest -- either that, or downright stupid -- when they profess not to see its relevance.

Now, I realize that history's a particularly weak suit in any GOPiggy player's hand these days, being linked -- as you are -- to what may well prove to have been the worst presidency in American history. (And, if not, at least an impressively strong contendah for the title.) But if you think the Bush Nightmare Legacy and its deleterious effects are going to disappear in three years, you should see if you can patent whatever it is you've laced into your soma shake.

Sure Sarvis. Let's talk about Pearl Harbor as long as we're at it. Pity you can't join us in the here and now.

Actually, Pearl Harbor does come up here now and again. So does the Great Depression. Even the Civil War. The Civil Rights Revolution, as well. And, of course, the Sixties, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, etc., etc. Do try and keep up to speed, Wussy.

What do you really disagree with about this statement??? That is a statement of fact.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-06 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

How many hundreds of times did you screech about Bush's failure to connect the dots?

Now, the Messiah says it, and it makes him a good leader?

So, when some terrorist detonates a nuke in Chicago, all Obamanator needs to say is "we made a boo-boo" and you will praise him for his honesty.

You are pathetic

But, speaking candidly, I think I can understand why the 3,000 dead during Bush's watch on 9/11 might be viewed as an "inconvenient" truth that should be consigned to the "deflection" column with the fervent hope those ghosts might be exorised from the canon of historical fact.

As for the Nigerian underwear bomber, clearly the various individual agencies that form the greater intel community have got to communicate not only better and more fully, but in a more timely manner and with more of the dots persuavisely connected. And that said, the picture is always clearer after the fact. (To borrow a note from Wussy's book, take Pearl Harbor as an example.)

Poor Sarvis; he just can't stop. You poor, old, disappointed sod.

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-01-06 09:20 AM

Translation: 9/11 was Bush's fault, but the underwear bomber was the fault of "various individual agencies."

Did Obama have any say in how Janet Napolitano and David Axlerod poo poo'd the incident the following Sunday? That is what really pisses me off. And for him to admit mistakes where made, I can only imagine how bad they fucked up.

Show me the PDB that says Nigerian to use underwear in attack on airplane coming from outside the US.

Show me an intel person who visited Obama in Hawaii to warn of an attack and was told "OK, you've covered your ass now."
It must suck to have to play the hand that the right has been dealt.

Danni's idea of Homeland Security is that we need proof positive that someone has explosives and is boarding a plane. And Miranda Rights are a must before asking questions.

Wisgod wants security to be a partisan weapon to attack Democrats and President Obama without regard to effectiveness or fairness. Makes his arguments transparent partisan hackery....and laughable.

Show me the PDB that says Nigerian to use underwear in attack on airplane coming from outside the US.

9/11 made us all (including Obama) aware that planes can and will be used for terrorist activity. There is no need for a PDB to exercise sound judgment when it comes to airplanes. Are you saying Obama needed to be warned that someone might try to get on a plane with a bomb?

Does anyone seriously believe that the Republicans whines about security after the Christmas attack is anything except partisan hackery????
I mean anyone who is honest enough to admit the truth.

"Are you saying Obama needed to be warned that someone might try to get on a plane with a bomb?"

Are you trying to say that President Obama should have personally been involved in preventing this attack???
Do you honestly believe that the procedures followed were any different than they would have been under the previous administration???

Or...will you just admit this is all about politics???

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2010-01-06 09:20 AM

Translation: 9/11 was Bush's fault, but the underwear bomber was the fault of "various individual agencies."
#15 | Posted by JOE

Translation: Reading comprehension not a strong suit for the paralegals at LegalBoomerang.com

Wisgod wants security to be a partisan weapon to attack Democrats and President Obama without regard to effectiveness or fairness. Makes his arguments transparent partisan hackery....and laughable.

#20 | Posted by danni

I wasn't the one that made the stupid comments immediately afterward. And if you want to let the guy off the hook, fine. No surprise. I'm not going to. Just like the whole dust up with the cop and the professor, your boy needs to think before offering opinions and then getting wee wee'd up afterwards.

"How many hundreds of times did you screech about Bush's failure to connect the dots? "

maybe because bush failed to take ownership and try to fix the problem...

he played the blame game better then you bush brown nosers.

no wonder you whine a lot.. you are following the footsteps of your godly chosen leader.

"Do you honestly believe that the procedures followed were any different than they would have been under the previous administration???"

Absolutely not. Which is why some are accusing Napolitano of deflecting from the actual situation, and taking credit for a system well in place before she became head of HS. Which made it political. You do know both sides play the same game? Right?

i see one very very very dangerous thing being done here that will have permanent affects.

if you blame obama for this failure personally, then every president from now till the usa ends will have to take personal responsibilty for every terrorist action, basically making the office of president an impossible shoe to fill.

affectively helping the end of the usa.

stop being whiny crybabies and help to improve instead of just finger pointing.

obama IS taking the blame and IS trying to fix the problem. what more do you want from a president?

"Which is why some are accusing Napolitano of deflecting from the actual situation"

yea and obama basically told us that she was full of shit.

again whats the problem?

oh yea pant wetting.

obama IS taking the blame and IS trying to fix the problem. what more do you want from a president?

#28 | Posted by klifferd

How about S'ingTFU and investigating before sending your spin masters out to tell us how well the system worked?

"Just like the whole dust up with the cop and the professor, your boy needs to think before offering opinions and then getting wee wee'd up afterwards."

Baloney, even Obama himself acknowledged that he blew it with the cop and the professor, not so with this terrorist.

"Which is why some are accusing Napolitano of deflecting from the actual situation, and taking credit for a system well in place before she became head of HS."

All she said was that the system worked. She didn't take credit for anything. She later had to retract and admit the system didn't work. If anything, she ended up with egg on her face.

"How about S'ingTFU and investigating before sending your spin masters out to tell us how well the system worked?"

i agree... which is what he did.

he told the world that what his spin masters said were wrong and inappropriate.

Are you trying to say that President Obama should have personally been involved in preventing this attack???

If the standard is going to be that "9/11 happened under Bush's watch" (per post #13), then yes.

"How about S'ingTFU and investigating before sending your spin masters out to tell us how well the system worked?"

Napolitano is a spin master???

You're getting ridiculous.

in fact insiders say that obama was PISSED as hell when he heard what Napolitano said.

Napolitano is a spin master???

You're getting ridiculous.

#34 | Posted by danni

David Axlerod, Einstein.

"If the standard is going to be that "9/11 happened under Bush's watch" (per post #13), then yes."

AHEM THAT IS NOT THE STANDARD.

sinking to the level of fringer status is not warrented as a solution.

please... logical thinking people realize that 911 was NOT bush's fault.

what WAS bush's fault was how he took a United American Public afterwards and successfully divided it more then ever in my lifetime..

"David Axlerod, Einstein."

fuck david axlerod.

the only person i want to hear from is Obama himself.

I don't take anything these other crumb eaters have to say as legitimate.

They are the part of the issues i have with the entire system which have existed way before Obama.

Who do you think Axlerod gets his talking points from? Dick fucking Cheney?

"Who do you think Axlerod gets his talking points from? Dick fucking Cheney?"

i think he makes half of them up based on his interpretation of what Obama is saying.

You really think Obama has time to give all his sychophants the talking points required.

Thats a fulltime job on its own.

Thats why Obama has come out several times and corrected what even axebitch has had to say.

"All she said was that the system worked. She didn't take credit for anything. She later had to retract and admit the system didn't work. If anything, she ended up with egg on her face."

Then why are whining about the repubs pointing this out and calling it political? Did the repubs put her in that situation? Why aren't dems holding her feet to the fire for downplaying the incident to the Country?

"Why aren't dems holding her feet to the fire for downplaying the incident to the Country?"

i think obama saying publically that any talk of the system working is wrong is doing JUST THAT.

its an embarrasement and a strike 1 for her.

its up to her now to make sure she steps up her game.

again whats the problem?

oh yea pant wetting.

#29 | Posted by klifferd at 2010-01-06 09:58 AM

Did you trust a fart again Klifferd?

How about S'ingTFU and investigating before sending your spin masters out to tell us how well the system worked?

He sent her out too late?

THIS from the mindset that whined that it took Obama three whole days to address the issue*.

/*Despite the fact that it took Bush 6 days to address the shoe bomber incident.

JN's attempt to calm folk's fears after the incident was ill-worded but not ill-advised in terms of what she was trying to do.

Obama's willingness here to accept blame, move on and try to correct mistakes in the system that really shoulda been addressed long before now are laudable.

All in all Spud's a helluva lot happier with Obama at the Helm than anyone the Rs coulda come up with.

Them guys was more interested in fixing the blame than the problem.

Fostering and flaming fears rather than fighting them and working to eradicate their sources.

GObama.

Be Well.

This whole discussion is just crap. The righties know it as well as I do. Find a better opportunity to play politics guys, this one doesn't seem to be working too well.

#42...

I agree with your post. But according to some here, criticizing Napolitano is only for political gain by repubs. She got caught peeing on our heads and calling it rain.

All in all Spud's a helluva lot happier with Obama at the Helm than anyone the Rs coulda come up with. - SPUD

Why spud? Does he provide security to your country?

Nappy is a HORRIBLE secretery. Her double speak proves it. Your defense of same proves you are a tool. To be fair, righties did the same with Bush - doesn't make you any less of a tool however.

She should be replaced. Obama coming to the carpet a week later is pretty weak. Not awful, but still weak.

" She got caught peeing on our heads and calling it rain."

you are right... and she better shape up or ship out

there is no strike 2 in the world of politics

"Does he provide security to your country? "

yes he does sir.

more so then a false war ever did.

"there is no strike 2 in the world of politics"

Sadly in todays political climate, you are correct. One side is hell bent on attacking, the otherside is hell bent on defending. Regardless of which party is in power. I for one am just as guilty.

#49 just proved the point I made in #50.

JOC... Had this been succesful and God forbid the plane wiped out a few city blocks and there were multiple casualties, would Obama have launched an attack on facilities in Yemen?

This whole discussion is just crap.
#45 | Posted by danni

Right. Nothing to see here, no harm done, the system worked...

"would Obama have launched an attack on facilities in Yemen?"

hasn't he already ;)

This whole discussion is just crap.
#45 | Posted by danni

I agree. This is what we should be discussing...

'Iranian tunneling complicates nuclear diplomacy'

Fascinating New York Times' William Broad report on Iran's obsession with tunneling in its nuclear program. Among its revelations, that the anti-regime Iranian group, the MEK, designated as a terrorist organization in the US, seemed to reveal tunneling for the Qom facility more than four years ago:
www.politico.com

'Iranian tunneling complicates nuclear diplomacy'

No argument from me, that is significant. I would like to know what the President says about that.
At least that isn't just political hackery.

This whole discussion is just crap. The righties know it as well as I do. Find a better opportunity to play politics guys, this one doesn't seem to be working too well.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-06 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

translation: I surrender. I admit that I am a partisan piece of crap. I admit that if this had happened with a Republican president, I'd be screeching like a banshee in heat.

Please, please, please drop the subject!

I can't compete with myself.

"translation: I surrender. I admit that I am a partisan piece of crap. I admit that if this had happened with a Republican president, I'd be screeching like a banshee in heat."

Er...except that didn't happen when Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, tried to blow up a plane.
BTW, they let Reid "lawyer up" and get "Mirandized" too....and that wasn't under Obama, now was it???

#58...

Wasn't Richard Reid and american citizen arrested in Boston?

"Wasn't Richard Reid and american citizen arrested in Boston?"

So what...it was just as good of an opportunity to make terrorism a political weapon against the incumbent administration.

Wasn't Richard Reid and american citizen arrested in Boston?"

So what...it was just as good of an opportunity to make terrorism a political weapon against the incumbent administration.

#60 | Posted by danni

So what? I guess you skimmed over the American Citizen part.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-06 11:38 AM

I meant what choice did authorities have? Legally they "had" to mirandize and allow him legal council.

DAMN

that obama bus has more people thrown under it along with his grandmother....must be awfully crowded down there.........

I'm sure y'all agree with Dick Morris that we should be torturing the Xmas Terrorist....especially since he is already singing like a bird. Sometimes I think the right wing lunes want these people tortured for reasons other than intelligence.....

singing like a bird

what newscast have you been watching.,.,..he did talk about lines of others waiting right before his lawyer told him to shut up.

and whats a 'lune'....lol

all we want is for this president to keep us as safe as the previous one did from 9/11 to the present....

"...especially since he is already singing like a bird."

Not since he "lawyered up."

"all we want is for this president to keep us as safe as the previous one did from 9/11 to the present...."

Let's just pretend 9-11 didn't happen on his watch....like you would if it had been Gore in the WH at the time.

and here...jest...is something that I just cant understand...libs want to give constitutional protection to every man and woman in the world while we pay for it in cash and lives. its just doesnt make sense.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

quite an assumption there dont you think young lady

libs want to give constitutional protection to every man and woman in the world

The Constitution does not GIVE rights; it recognizes basic human rights that all people have.

"Sometimes I think the right wing lunes want these people tortured for reasons other than intelligence....."

You probably need to quit "thinkin,'" Danni, It doesn't seem to serve you well. Besides, do you really think ALL these people are "right wing lunes?"

www.rasmussenreports.com

"while we pay for it in cash and lives. its just doesnt make sense."

Could you perhaps give us an example of where treating terrorists as criminals has led to more deaths??? Or is is just another hollow talking point???
BTW, how many lives and how much cash has it cost fighting Saudi terrorists by invading Iraq which had NOTHING to do with any attack on American soil????

"Let's just pretend 9-11 didn't happen on his watch...."

You are pathetic. God only knows how you can turn a simple sentence like from 9-11 to the present, and equate that to a denial 9-11 happened on Bushs' watch.

...failed to connect the dots

What kinda coverup BS rhetoric is that?

Obama Fails His First Bay of Pigs Moment

Obama's speech this afternoon was an incongruous performance. On the one hand, he angrily detailed a catastrophic breakdown in US intelligence procedures leading to the near-massacre of hundreds of airline passengers in the skies over Detroit on Christmas Day. On the other hand, there was no purge of the corrupt, complicit, and incompetent officials who had made this incident possible. No firings were announced. No heads rolled.

The Bay Of Pigs, 1961 A Distant Mirror For Obama

Obama's situation offers certain parallels to the experience of John F. Kennedy in the Bay of Pigs invasion of April 1961. Upon entering office, Kennedy had been convinced by Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell of the CIA to support an invasion of Cuba , which the CIA promised would lead immediately to an insurrection throughout the island and thus to the overthrow of Fidel Castro. Instead, the invasion was a catastrophic failure and humiliation for the United States and for Kennedy personally.

Who Obama Should Fire

Almost any of the twenty-odd officials who attended Obama's special meeting in the White House today could be candidates for ouster for reasons of incompetence or worse. One obvious choice would be Michael E. Leiter, the head of the National Counter-Terrorism Center , which has the responsibility of integrating all the information from 16 agencies which was so obviously not integrated in the Mutallab case. Another might be Leiter's boss Dennis C. Blair, the Director of National Intelligence or intelligence czar created after 9/11. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is widely discredited, and has lost the confidence of the American people through her interviews if nothing else.

God only knows how you can turn a simple sentence like from 9-11 to the present, and equate that to a denial 9-11 happened on Bushs' watch.

#73 | Posted by crispee_oc

This defend'in is hard werk. -The few remaining DR Obama apologists.

IRAQ....

kuwait..sadaam killed 293 americans
un resolution 1441
post 9/11.... a worldwide strategy to hunt down terrorists and thier enablers such as abu nidal and abu abbas who were in iraq
iraq trained hamas executioners
and iraq was paying 25k for suicide bombers

two boys raped and tortured and had hundreds killed

great potential danger to the us and the world

sadaam was a psychopathic murderer who had to be removed.

and ww1 was started when one guy got shot....(well basically anyway)

"You are pathetic. God only knows how you can turn a simple sentence like from 9-11 to the present, and equate that to a denial 9-11 happened on Bushs' watch."

I just think it is RIDICULOUS for AKFLABL2 to be bragging that there were no attacks since 9-11 on Bush's watch and somehow pretending that the Christmas bomber is Obama's fault. No, it's not ridiculous IT'S FUCKING STUPID AND DISHONEST!

"great potential danger to the us and the world"

You are full of crap. Iraq's military was largely destroyed, we had surveillance of virtually every square mile of the country, weapons inspectors had told us there were no WMDs, etc. etc. etc.
Invading Iraq was not just idiotic but tragic. We are still paying for it, we will be for decades and soldiers harmed by insurgents will be paying for the rest of their lives. And never mind that the Iraq War pulled needed troops and equipment from Afghanistan.

Why the comment of 3,000 people dead on Bush's watch and mention the underwear guy.

If the idiot succeeded, 3,000 people were probably at the airport and surrounding area. The failure to kill 3,000 was luck.

pretending that the Christmas bomber is Obama's fault. No, it's not ridiculous IT'S FUCKING STUPID AND DISHONEST!

#77 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-06 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you saying it is Bush's fault?

"Bay of Pigs Moment" is the most ridiculouos attempt to make a mountaing out of a mole hill, if the Christmas Bomber was a Bay of Pigs moment then what the hell was 9-11????
The nut jobs are foaming at the mouth today.

just think it is RIDICULOUS for AKFLABL2 to be bragging that there were no attacks since 9-11 on Bush's watch and somehow pretending that the Christmas bomber is Obama's fault. No, it's not ridiculous IT'S FUCKING STUPID AND DISHONEST!

#77 | Posted by danni at

YO baby

get that 2nd cup of coffee this morning or joint...

relax...you have almost a whole year of watching the dems go under...PACE yourself....lol

Are you saying it is Bush's fault?

#80 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Of course it was Bush's fault! LOL

I just think it is RIDICULOUS for AKFLABL2 to be bragging that there were no attacks since 9-11 on Bush's watch and somehow pretending that the Christmas bomber is Obama's fault.
Posted by danni

True. He just handled it like a schmuck.

"Are you saying it is Bush's fault?"

No, as a matter of fact I'm not, nor did I say the shoe bomber was his fault. But then some of us don't use terrorist attacks to play partisan games.
I won't even say 9-11 was Bush's fault but I do think 9-11 raised real questions about how focused on terrorism the Bush administration was pre-9-11 and they were thoroughly warned by the outgoing Clinton administration.

oh yeah

please pull a larry and post the attacks on american soil......as in the 48 and/or the other two.

and now we have the soldier dead in little rock and the shooting at hood and now this which wasnt a catastrophe only because it didnt go off.
the numbers on his approval go down while these numbers go up.....

but thats okay BARRY

HEY BRIAN LAMB said this morning that he has the CSPAN cameras READY to roll into that backrooom where your goddamn democrats are meeting

SO barry...take a couple of moments away from CYA to tell pelosi and reid to let in those cspan cameras JUST LIKE YOU PROMISED...

Bush administration was pre-9-11 and they were thoroughly warned by the outgoing Clinton administration.

#85 | Posted by danni at 2010

please do a little reading instead of listening to olberman. read the book by the guy who was clintons 'football' guy...carried the nuke codes...'something like..unfit to lead I think is the title...he tells you just how bad your boy billy ignored things that could have stopped it well before 9/11,,

HERE is what I also consider to be the best comments on this issue from a pulitzer prize winner..

and I Know that being from krauthammer automatically puts some of you into an ignorance is bliss mode but I cant help that..
krauthammer tells it right in my opinion as well as this authors.

newsmax.com


i'm sorry

i didn't know that our president was supposed to micro manage the intelligence community.

i thought our last president set up the system that failed.

why don't you guys lay blame on those that deserve it.

#3 | Posted by klifferd

LOL!!!!

Also, you are going to blame Bush for Katrina and 911...

LOL. Keep trying but playing the stupid card is not working for the Libs anymore.

and in the words of the famous philosopher from alabama

"thets all I's gots to say bout thet"

hasta laredo

( for you pointy headed elites...that was forrest gump)

From you link AFKABL2

"From the very beginning, President Obama has relentlessly tried to downplay and deny the nature of the terrorist threat we continue to face."

That is a blatant lie and a perfect example of the dishonesty on which the right bases their attacks on Obama. To them it is not about terrorism, it is about attacking Obama. They want him to fail, not just on health care but on everything. They want power back, it is as simple as that and anyone who doesn't see it really just doesn't want to see it.

#85 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-06 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Very lucid.

Short, to the point, and dead on...

www.youtube.com

who was the pres who went overseas and time and again apologized

who was the pres that said he would close gitmo as a campaign promise more than protecting us

the left attacked bush with a vengence for katrina when the lousianna front line fucked it up from day one and now obama is apparently supposed to be handsoff...well I dont think so.

and he is failing himslef on healthcare...
MAYO clinic in arizona just notified three thousand patients that they no longer will take them and thier medicare.......and THIS from a hospital that obama used as an example.....

dont take my word for it..why do YOU think there is now a spike in activity.......and to deny that is silly.............

AGAIN.........I have never read anyone try and convince anyone else that bush didnt have this info.
but BJ ignored it too unless you want to talk about the drug store bombing and stupid shit like that

and here we are once again...talking about all this while the OBAMA administration is allowing young muslim men to get on a plane paying cash with no luggage after his own father told them about what was happening..

( if bush was responsible for katrina, then obama is responsible for this)

Excluding the typical partisan stains on this site, can anyone who disagrees with what Obama said please explain why?

The last administration would never take the blame and would be looking for a fall guy too pin all of it on at this time.. Taking responsibility versus denying responsibility..

common and danni

here is a defacto leader of the liberal party putting in his two cents worth...two cents is still too much
but what do you think of this idea??

www.thefoxnation.com

Want him to fail? He is doing it on his own! He is failure! The Republican's will take back this country and reverse everything the boy in the suit screwed up.

drama

they had better do something about it or there WILL be a viable third party in this country come out of it.

3rd Party wouldn't be a bad idea either!

here is a defacto leader of the liberal party putting in his two cents worth...two cents is still too much
but what do you think of this idea??

www.thefoxnation.com

#98 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-01

MEANT TO ADD...this isnt coming from fox or rush or hannity or oreiily.....hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm
mmmm

There is no need for a PDB to exercise sound judgment when it comes to airplanes. Are you saying Obama needed to be warned that someone might try to get on a plane with a bomb?

Well obviously, if you applied that logic, Bush did.

WILL be a viable third party

Just keep letting the teaparty freaks splinter the GNOP and very very soon there will be.

726

you apparently just listen to olberman or the evening news with katie....

the idea of not voting for a republican because you are a teaparty person or a libetarian is old news. they should have learned thier lesson in 08 when a lot of them did just that......or DIDNT vote because of that is what Im trying to say.

"and he is failing himslef on healthcare...
MAYO clinic in arizona just notified three thousand patients that they no longer will take them and thier medicare.......and THIS from a hospital that obama used as an example....."

Congress Overrides Bush Medicare Veto
Bill Protects Doctors From Medicare Rate Cuts; 4th Time Bush Veto Is Overriden

www.cbsnews.com

It isn't as if we don't know how to deal with the problem, we need to raise the rates paid to doctors by Medicare. If we put everyone into Medicare we could do that and make Medicare solvent at the same time.

I still can't believe that Obama was vacationing in the fereign cuntry of Hawaii instead of being in an Amsterdam airport personally checking for crotch bombs.

Not to to put Cookfish out of job, but still....

"The U.S. government had sufficient information to have uncovered this plot and potentially disrupt the Christmas Day attack, but our intelligence community failed to connect those dots."

He forgot to add, "because of PC."

The AG threatened to drag the CIA agents into court and everyone is running scared now. Way to go, SHIT HEAD

" And never mind that the Iraq War pulled needed troops and equipment from Afghanistan. "

#78 | Posted by danni

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you..."Gunga Danni"

poser.

corky

you DIDNT just post that knowing that the left to this day attacks bush about katrina..
at least bush didnt read the reports and then the teleprompter and then FINISHED THE FUCKIN ROUND OF GOLF......

and HERE Is yet another way that OBAMA in the grand tradition of goddamn democrats is taking us into dangerous and UNSAFE days..

www.worldviewtimes.com

HAVE to post this from my last link

This is another example of President Obama not taking terrorism seriously," said Deneen Borelli, a fellow with the National Center's Project 21 black leadership network. "Our enemies must be laughing at the Obama Administration's incompetence."

NOTICE its from a 'black network'....

"NOTICE its from a 'black network'...."

Black Conservatives.

Leave it to Afkababble to leave out the salient part.

so I guess your next comment is to call them all uncle toms'...

"The buck stops.....over there."
--- Obama ---

Hey! He's on TV again....Now there's change. Getting ready to blame Bush for something.

thats okay kbm

CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO...

www.resistnet.com

the music makes it even better....which is always the case..

#81 danni
make a mountaing out of a mole hill, if the Christmas Bomber was a Bay of Pigs moment then what the hell was 9-11

So because it was foiled by heroic passengers it's less significant? Or it's less significant because it's on O's watch?

"Obama inherited this from the Bush administration."

And no one will be fired--because that would show Obama is wrong on his new policy of 'the war on terror'.

You know man made disasters, closing Gitmo (which the jihadists can't be mad about since they are closing the place), civil trials for KSM, Ft. Hood killings, PC diversity bullshit, etc.

Showing weakness doesn't scare the enemy--or changing the language that applies to them.

These problems were there when Oboner came in...
he and Bush are like 2 peas in a pod...!!!
Oboner is totally a 'reactionary'...he is not going to be aggressive or take a position until he knows which side of popularity to come down on..
After a year, we suddenly find that there are problems???? get real... we are only LUCKY that there has not been a real tragedy yet... too many holes in the system and he cannot even still get the agencies to talk to one another..!!!
Yep...Axelrod and his boy Gibbs will continue to spin this out any way possible...
that is also why he has not gotten his feet any wetter in the health care dynamics..now Neo Nancy is even taking shots at him...
he thrives strictly on popularity, not substance...

So because it was foiled by heroic passengers it's less significant? Or it's less significant because it's on O's watch?

#117 | Posted by L_RContrarian

Even if the guy did succeed to blow that plane over Michigan--Danni would say it was Bush's fault.

You can take that to the bank!

Thank God for passengers on airplanes!

No shit. Apparently those pre 9-11 "intelligence silos" that the righties blamed 9-11 and Clinton for are still around. Not quite a Mission Accomplished after 7 years under Glorious leader.

Oh yeah, aflac-if this was an unsuccessful terrorist attack (and it was), so was the shoebomber's and there goes your "no attacks during Bush's Glorious Reign" talking point.

didnt they catch him before his bomb was detonated? or even attempting..

or was this the one where he started to light his shoes on fire...

AND if I wasnt such a ruggedly handsome example of a gracious and warm and sensitive poster I would try and make a case that you were disappointed that it didnt work
but THEN that would put you in the 'celisary class' and even I wouldnt do that to you.

and iraq was paying 25k for suicide bombers So was Saudistan, the best friend of the Bush family.

two boys raped and tortured and had hundreds killed Happens every day in Karsick's afghanistan-ready to re-invade?

great potential danger to the us and the world Ha ha ha. Couldn't even handle the kurds.

sadaam was a psychopathic murderer who had to be removed. No more psychopathic than when Saint Reagan was selling him WMD and covering up his gassing the kurds. You loved him then.

#76 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-01-06 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag: DELUSIONAL AS EVER. STILL WAITING FOR JAPAN TO FALL TO THE VIET CONG.

ALSo the shoe incident was soon after 9/11 right???

and wasnt that before a lot of the precautions were put in place? ah but not to try and apologize or lessen either of those.

there is NOT ONE single item in that post of mine that wasnt true and you know it.

SO lets check out the score..
my delusions have saved the lives of thousands and your delusions would put them all at risk even today...

okay....whatever....

"but not to try and apologize or lessen either of those."

Was the Richard Reid shoe-bomb incident an attempt at a terrorist attack?

"sadaam was a psychopathic murderer who had to be removed"

By a wholesale occupation of the country for 8 plus years at the cost of billions of borrowed dollars and thousands and thousands of lives?

Right, AFK, on the ball as usual you carefree fool.

"Even if the guy did succeed to blow that plane over Michigan--Danni would say it was Bush's fault.

You can take that to the bank!"

Or you could scroll up a little and read where I said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. But don't let that prevent your pointless attack on me, I'm quite used to them and actually find the stupidty quite amusing.

amusing???

I didnt read you laughing....

common and danni

here is a defacto leader of the liberal party putting in his two cents worth...two cents is still too much
but what do you think of this idea??

www.thefoxnation.com

#98 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2010-01-06 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

What does Wolfe have to do with my question regarding what Obama said?

well boys and girls..
the old clock on the wall says its time to go...

happy trails to you....
la da
la da
la daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

have a wonderfull hump day and may all your humps be good ones.....

I sure wish we had George W Bush back in office!!

According to his press secretary, Dana Perino, there wasn't a single terrorist attack on America when George W Bush was in office.

Ahhhhh....the good old days when we were 'terror free'.

the link was just to show that even leftwing media..NBC and olberman were using tactics like this...
it just seemed a little wierd and I was interesting in making sure that you were always up to date..lol

and I saw perino...DAMN she's cute
and the inference was ALWAYS that she was referring to post 9/11 and even said that either earlier or later.....

OOPS>..sorry....I didnt post this because IM gone..
sorry

"The U.S. government had sufficient information to have uncovered this plot and potentially disrupt the Christmas Day attack, but our intelligence community failed to connect those dots."

What do you really disagree with about this statement??? That is a statement of fact.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2010-01-06 09:06 AM | Reply

I thought the 9-11 commision took care of all this.

Each time there is a breach or attack the Gov'mt makes plans to defend that last event. Not only are they expensive, they're dumb as hell.

AFKABABBLE you are a fool. Clearly you cannot pause and take a breath and think things though before you spew your anit Obama hatred. Obama did not fail. The US Government failed. Specifically the intelligence community failed to connect the dots AGAIN.

The difference now is that Obama readily conceded the error and is taking immediate steps to TRY and correct the problems so that it doesn't happen again. But we are still in a reactive strategy whereby we change the security posture based on an event rather than plug the holes before something happens. Under Bush it required a full Commission which required 3 three years to reach it's final conclusions and all the while the Bush administration drug it's feet until late 2002 to even allow the start of the Commission and dragged it's feet and withheld information that was vital to reaching valid conclusions till the very end in 204. In addition, even after the conclusions and suggestions were made even today these things are not being fully implemented such as Port security.

The problem is, as you probably know, is that we are an open society and to plug every hole would bankrupt us. Al-Queda knows this and it is part of their strategy. We need to start being smart and not reactive.

Even today the agencies still do not share intelligence freely. The report clearly states that "There are no punishments for not sharing information. Agencies uphold a "need-to-know" culture of information protection rather than promoting a "need-to-share" culture of integration."

The agency responsible for coordination this intelligence is National Counterterrorism Center and while Obama is the Commander in Chief he is limited in what he can do to manage this culture of "need-to-know" in these agencies.

So, Vernon and AFKbabble an point fingers at Obama as if that is where the problem lies but the problem is much deeper and goes back many decades.

AND ...The fact is the bomb did not go off and it was because common ordinary Americans took action.

There is a lesson in this that we are missing in the rush to try and BLAME Obama for every problem the government has. Remember you go to war with the army you have...not the one you want.

Good on Obama for this. Despite his minions' efforts here and immediately after the failed plot, Obama is taking responsibility instead of deflecting to Bush.

"I thought the 9-11 commision took care of all this."

If you really do then you are a fool.

FACT: This is the 'Oboner watch'... as he is doing his OJT, he should get his priorities in order and attack the most potential damage issues first for this country...protection comes to mind..there has been a year in office, granted with inherited problems, but how long can we excuse him??? Therein lies the real problem..
I think everyone is awaiting to see if he has any priorities besides popularity..!!!

"Good on Obama for this. Despite his minions' efforts here and immediately after the failed plot, Obama is taking responsibility instead of deflecting to Bush."

Obama is actually acting presidential and that includes taking responsibility. Not that he really has a choice, but he is doing his part. That said, I still can't figure out why we were one of the few countries, that didn't allow security to utilize the body scanners. Seems to me that would be the most logical place to start, when he speaks of the changes.

"The difference now is that Obama readily conceded the error and is taking immediate steps to TRY and correct the problems so that it doesn't happen again."

FF

Now back to Sec Mineta's Testimony...

September 11
During the September 11, 2001 attacks, Mineta issued an order to ground all civilian aircraft traffic for the first time in U.S. history.

Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission about his experience in the Presidential Emergency Operating Center with Vice President Cheney as American Airlines flight 77 approached the Pentagon was not included in the 9/11 Commission Report.[3] In one colloquy testified by Mineta, the vice president refers to orders concerning the plane approaching the Pentagon:

en.wikipedia.org

911 Commission - Trans. Sec Norman Mineta Testimony

http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

I think everyone is awaiting to see if he has any priorities besides popularity..!!!

#139 | Posted by drsoul

Slavishly serving AIPAC, of course...

I am not sure I understand you Bani. You don't see the difference in Obama conceding a problem with our intelligence community connecting the dots in less than a month and Bush waiting on the results of a Commission that took over three years and with which he would not even fully cooperate with?

I guess that kind of thing is funny if you think about it. But, sad too.

All the left has is "bush did this or Bush did that" You think because Bush was a putz that gives Obama the freedom to be a Fing idiot. Get over Bush, and pay attention to the dumb ass in the office now.

No kidding, Mr. Pres.

All the left has is "bush did this or Bush did that"

Kinda hard to forget about the last Dumb Ass when you are still cleaning up his mess.

He's a politician ~ Donner baby...don't you forget it! and all AIPAC Politicians have to lie daily to keep the zombies from finding out that the Fed is privately owned & its owners tell what the Prez to do or else...

#146 | Posted by donnerboy
Yea nice original line. Don't take the job if all your going to do is bitch about how hard it is. It has been a year. Get over it.

Nothing really fundamentally has changed politically since Teddy's time imho!

"These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of public office officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government." - Theodore Roosevelt23

Kinda hard to forget about the last Dumb Ass when you are still cleaning up his mess.

#146 | Posted by donnerboy

Having a Health Care plan on his desk to sign right before the State on the Union address is Bush's mess? You poor fuckers have beat that horse dead, and the American Public knows it.

Obama did have a huge mess to clean up, but, just like they did in 2006 when we gave them Congress, the DNC decided afterwards to abandon the mess and take advantage of this time to do some other things they have always wanted to do while pretending the mess isn't really that big of a mess to begin with.

Don't take the job if all your going to do is bitch about how hard it is.

You mean like this?

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror."

Forty-one percent of those 10 million are women. In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard.

I work with Director Mueller of the FBI; comes in my office when I'm in Washington every morning, talking about how to protect us. There's a lot of really good people working hard to do so. It's hard work.

I thought they would stay and fight, but they didn't. And now we're fighting them now. And it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. And I'm optimistic.

And as I just told you, there's going to be a summit of the Arab nations. Japan will be hosting a summit. We're making progress. It is hard work.

It is hard work to go from a tyranny to a democracy.

It's hard work to go from a place where people get their hands cut off, or executed, to a place where people are free.

here are 100,000 troops trained, police, guard, special units, border patrol. There's going to be 125,000 trained by the end of this year. Yes, we're getting the job done. It's hard work.

Everybody knows it's hard work, because there's a determined enemy that's trying to defeat us.

And I believe both a free Afghanistan and a free Iraq will serve as a powerful example for millions who plead in silence for liberty in the broader Middle East. We've done a lot of hard work together over the last three and a half years.

Yah you right! I would be sick of hearing that too if Obama was actually saying that. But the apparently Bush did all the "hard work". He is the only one I remember saying how hard it was.

Why was the damning testimony of Mineta omitted from the 911 commision report? & now everything is ok now Obama is 'taking' responsibility of the usual snafus regarding fake terrorists attacks?

What a JOKE! Where is some honor among thieves?:>)

Early life, career, and family
Mineta was born in San Jose, California, to Japanese immigrant parents who were not U.S. citizens at that time. During World War II the Mineta family was interned for several years in the Heart Mountain internment camp near Cody, Wyoming, along with thousands of other Japanese immigrants and Japanese Americans. Upon arrival to the camp, Mineta, a baseball fan, had his baseball bat confiscated by authorities who feared that it was a weapon. Many years later, after Mineta was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, a Los Angeles man sent Mineta a $1,500 bat that was once owned by Hank Aaron, which Mineta was forced to send back as it violated the House rule of accepting gifts valued over $250. Mineta was quoted as saying, "The damn government's taken my bat again." [1]

While detained in the camp, Mineta, a Boy Scout, met fellow Scout Alan K. Simpson, future U.S. Senator from Wyoming, who often visited the Scouts in the internment camp with his troop. The two became, and have remained, close friends and political allies.

I agree with you somewhat Kranei in that Congress bears a lot of responsibility here and is not up to the task. But, some of those "other things" are necessary too. Like economic recovery and health care reform.

Obama did have a huge mess to clean up, but, just like they did in 2006 when we gave them Congress, the DNC decided afterwards to abandon the mess and take advantage of this time to do some other things they have always wanted to do while pretending the mess isn't really that big of a mess to begin with.

#151 | Posted by kanrei at 2010-01-06 03:40 PM

Yep, and every time someone brings up Bush's mess and how Obama is supposedly trying to clean it up, I'm brought back to him inheriting an economic and financial crisis, and nominating a Paulson / Goldman Sachs butt boy to head the Treasury in response.

was Cheney a boy scout? Obama?...lol

my dad was an eagle scout & they tend not to lie...

Yep, and every time someone brings up Bush's mess and how Obama is supposedly trying to clean it up, I'm brought back to him inheriting an economic and financial crisis, and nominating a Paulson / Goldman Sachs butt boy to head the Treasury in response.

#155 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

FFFF

Having a Health Care plan on his desk to sign right before the State on the Union address is Bush's mess?

No it is Congress's mess. No one said THAT was Bush's fault. Bush never had any intention of reforming Health care.

But, apparently, and from what I can see neither does Congress.

nominating a Paulson / Goldman Sachs butt boy to head the Treasury in response

I think we are all baffled by that.

"Bush never had any intention of reforming Health care."

You mean the likes of Kennedy and Reid had no intention of accepting any reform Bush presented.

People have short memories as this is Pelosi's second attempt at this. She begged us to give the DNC Congress to end the war in Iraq; which we did and she suddenly pushed health care reform which failed and the war in Iraq rages on. Obama then says "give me the White House and I will end the war." We gave him the White House and Healthcare reform is the topic de jur while the war rages on.

Shame on all of us; we got fooled twice.

#161...
Don't forget no more earmarks, lobbyist reform...

And, of course, this is an imposter...!!!

www.breitbart.tv

And, of course, this is an imposter...!!!

www.breitbart.tv

You mean the likes of Kennedy and Reid had no intention of accepting any reform Bush presented.

#160 | Posted by crispee_oc

You mean the one where our job based health care would no longer be a benefit but we would have to pay the full cost out of pocket or the one where he gutted Medicare and gave away billions to big Pharma?

Yea I wasn't too keen to support that kind of "reform" either.

Yea I wasn't too keen to support that kind of "reform" either.

#165 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-01-06 04:04 PM

You claimed Bush never offered up any type of HC reform. I have given you the link more than once proving you are full of shit. I am not going to waste the space providing it again, seeing as you still utter the same ignorant claim.

I think we are all baffled by that.

#159 | Posted by donnerboy

really! & considered one of the original owners of the FED...lol

news.goldseek.com

Obama did have a huge mess to clean up, but, just like they did in 2006 when we gave them Congress, the DNC decided afterwards to abandon the mess and take advantage of this time to do some other things they have always wanted to do while pretending the mess isn't really that big of a mess to begin with.

#151 | Posted by kanrei

Smoke and Change?

ff #168

thought our last president set up the system that failed.

why don't you guys lay blame on those that deserve it.

#3 | Posted by klifferd
Thats it ! do nothing so you can blame the last guy wasnt his whole fucking position for change so what did the HNIC change here to improve it? NOTHING, in fact old flop ears wants to blame everyone but himself.

I am not going to waste the space providing it again, seeing as you still utter the same ignorant claim.

#166 | Posted by crispee_oc

yeah don't bother crispee critter. I have seen all your bullshit before. I know your agenda. As I said, the "health care reform" offered by the Bush Administration was even more of a farce than the current offering is and I am not impressed by it either.

Congress has failed the American People once again.

You claimed Bush never offered up any type of HC reform.

And proving once again you cannot read or you are a liar. I never said that.

I quote me:

"Bush never had any intention of reforming Health care."

He offered all kinds of bullshit. Most of which benefited big pharma and the HMO and got more lobbyist money into his and Congress pockets. I saw nothing that would reform Health Care and that would actually benefit the American People and get health care to those who needed it most. The poor and the uninsured.

You claimed Bush never offered up any type of HC reform.

And proving once again you cannot read or you are a liar. I never said that.

I quote me:

"Bush never had any intention of reforming Health care."

This is about the 10th time I have pasted this article. Are you going to run away for the 10th time and them come back later and play dumb? Or are you going to address this once and for all and admit you are full of shit? It is only a two page article donner. Read it then puff, instead of the other way around.

But the most surprising and encouraging development is that a president who for six years has only nibbled around the edges of health-care issues has weighed in with some bold ideas to expand coverage, rein in costs and bring some fairness to the tax code. And get this: It actually involves raising taxes on the rich and lavishly insured and giving the money to the working poor and the uninsured.

Given that, you'd think Democrats would have welcomed a politically courageous proposal to put a cap on one of the biggest and most regressive features of the individual income-tax code. But instead, they've shifted reflexively into partisan attack mode, mischaracterizing the impacts of the proposal and shamelessly parroting the propaganda from the labor dinosaurs at the AFL-CIO.
"Dead on arrival," declared Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), chairman of a key health subcommittee in the House, hinting at a dark conspiracy to kill off employer-sponsored health insurance.

"A dangerous policy that ultimately shifts cost and risk from employers to employees," said Charlie Rangel, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

Sen. Harry Reid, the majority leader, called it nothing less than an "attack" on American workers.

www.washingtonpost.com

#173

I can't believe that Democrats would play politics with healthcare, putting party above what's good for the country.

Real Democrats and Republicans alike want real healthcare reform. Unfortunately, Congress doesn't.

"In typical Barack Obama fashion he said he will not tolerate finger-pointing, but hypocritically added "our intelligence community failed to connect those dots."

www.gormogons.com

Are you going to run away for the 10th time and them come back later and play dumb? Or are you going to address this once and for all and admit you are full of shit?

hmmm what a nice set of choices you offer. I choice none of the above.

I don't believe I have ever run away from a good debate. I, unlike you, apparently have a life. I have read this article before but I don't remember ever seeing the details of this "plan" and knowing Bush and his agenda I am quite sure it was a bluff. The devil is in the details.

And as I recall the Republicans were fully in charge at that time so why didn't they ram it through like they did the War in Iraq and all the other crap they managed to pass? However, regardless, I think Congress and especially the Democrats should have called that bluff instead of grandstanding and Bush bashing. Bush bashing is MY job not Congress's. I do believe Congress has let down the American People. Then and now. But, I am also quite certain that Bush has also let down the American People too.

choice=choose

So, Vernon and AFKbabble an point fingers at Obama as if that is where the problem lies but the problem is much deeper and goes back many decades.

#136 | Posted by donnerboy
its REAL simple

if the left can hold bush accountable virtually solely for katrina then we are well within those parameters to hold barry accountable for this

you WILL NOT have it both ways...

and reports are that the authorities KNEW he was on the flight and that he was a possible risk..
too bad it was too late by then.....

NCTC Director Leiter Remained on Ski Slopes After Bombing Incident

The top official in charge of analyzing terror threats did not cut short his ski vacation after the underwear bomber nearly blew up an airliner on Christmas Day, the Daily News has learned.

Michael Leiter, director of the National Counterterrorism Center since 2007, decided not to return to his agency's "bat cave" nerve center in McLean, Va., until several days after Christmas, two U.S. officials said.

"I don't believe I have ever run away from a good debate. I, unlike you, apparently have a life. I have read this article before but I don't remember ever seeing the details of this "plan" and knowing Bush and his agenda I am quite sure it was a bluff. The devil is in the details."

So you go from the ignorant line that Bush or the repubs "never" cared about reforming healthcare, to "I don't know the details, but figured they were bluffing" line? Why not simply admit you were talking out of your ass and were too lazy to read the link. Seeing as you now admit you have read it before.

Lr

HERE is the obama scapegoat...and one MAIN reason he will be the scapegoat is because he was first put there by the bush administration..what better way to keep the blame bush dogshit going??

I do not defend him in anyway and HE SHOULD BE gone

he should move out RIGHT BEHIND the sectry of homeland security

"I don't know the details, but figured they were bluffing" line? Why not simply admit you were talking out of your ass and were too lazy to read the link.

Don't know the details because there weren't any. Nothing but a bunch of empty promises. They controlled Congress how was it the Dems even had a chance to block this (and as I said they should have called his bluff).

You to me sound like an angry old man. Chill out. Because i disagree does not mean I am taking out my ass. Bush made his agenda obvious it was no wonder he became a lame duck before his time and anyway this is the wrong thread for this debate.

you wanna try and make out like Bush gave shit about reforming Health Care for the American People then ya might wanna take this discussion to here www.drudge.com

taking out = talking out!

I'll take out my ass after work. heh

You to me sound like an angry old man. Chill out. Because i disagree does not mean I am taking out my ass.

#184 | Posted by donnerboy at 2010-01-07 02:06 PM

Not angry or old as far as I know. You impy that I lied about something, and I simply showed who I thought was the liar. It is quite clear what you think of Bush and the repubs, to the point of making stuff up. So be it.

Chill out. Because i disagree does not mean I am taking out my ass.

Better not take out your ass. You gotta have something to sit on.

"Obama: We Should've Stopped Attack"

No Shit

"Better not take out your ass. You gotta have something to sit on."

I figured he would have trouble breathing...

"Not angry or old as far as I know."

Perhaps not, but, you sure do sound like you got a stick up yer butt. I implied you were a liar OR that you can't read. So if you are not a liar I guess it is the latter then. Bush may have "offered" a plan and talked some shit but it is obvious from his actions he had no intention of providing Health Care to the poor nor did he really intend to really "reform" anything except is ability to enrich his buddies. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool or naive or was just not paying attention for eight years.

Obama....so why aren't heads rolling? The best incentive to prevent the next attack are not more 9-11 type excuses, but actually firing some cabinet or department heads.

It took him how many days of talking with his spin doctors to come up with this phrase to appease his detractors and to try to re-bolster his sagging image: His 'mea culpa' moment.

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