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Saturday, January 02, 2010

Police foiled an attempt to kill a cartoonist who drew a cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad that sparked outrage in the Muslim world Friday night. A 28-year-old Somalia man armed with an ax and a knife attempted to enter Kurt Westergaard's home in Aarhus shortly after 10 p.m., shouting in broken English that he wanted to kill him. "I locked myself in our safe room and alerted the police," said Kurt Westergaard, 74. "He tried to smash the entrance door with an axe, but he didn't manage."

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This should make a great cartoon.

Looks like the Muslims still have jihad bullseye on that Danish cartoon artist's forehead.

Hard to get on with your life when sometime in the future some religious wackjob might jump out of a dark alley trying to kill you over a simple cartoon you drew years before.

And the PC Pollyanna crowd wonders why we can't "all get along" as one big, happy, world family. Some customs, traditions, and religions just do not mix well together and never will.

And the PC Pollyanna crowd wonders why we can't "all get along" as one big, happy, world family. Some customs, traditions, and religions just do not mix well together and never will.

Then how come do I get along with the peeps around here on DR?

I see the childish Broad brush painting with Chris's post. I'm sure more will follow.

Why am I not suprised

Please continue.

And the award for "Only guy who can make a lady go quiet" goes to...... [drum roll].... TOSSER!!!

Thank you thank you.....

I'm sure more will follow.

I'm double sure.

Why am I not suprised

I'm double not surprised.

So, it's ok to kill cartoonists, but not mock Islam?

"Then how come do I get along with the peeps around here on DR?

#2 | Posted by Tosser"

We do not yet have Smellivision.

Silence! I keel you!

yea LUP.

Its ok to kill.
I'm a muslim and its my favorite past time.

What? Criticise all you want. Insulting isn't the same as criticism though. Not murder worthy though by any means.

Other then that.
Arrest the guy for attempted murder. Its not like the bitch is going free. Where do you see the ok part?

Ill be waiting for the terrorist links in the next few days so another bomb can be sanctioned.

Muslim extremists are fucked up. It's a fucking cartoon. I don't get the outrage from the Muslims on this.

We do not yet have Smellivision.

Thank goodness for that. I don't think I could stand the beer/urinal BO you guys are so known for. LOL

I don't get the outrage from the Muslims on this.

So I sound "outraged" to you?

I would never go for killing this guy.

However if I see someone else killing him, I certainly won't call for help or dial 15. LOL

It is part of my personal religion and code.... do not interfere in the affairs of others. Most of us are like that and it's a good thing.

You can post stories here about killing cartoonists, but get banned for mocking Islam. I really don't care what you believe in, Allah, Jesus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster - everything is up for mockery. Just because you ( or anyone else) say it's some kind of crime is nonsense. Everything is the same, all is folly.

"However if I see someone else killing him, I certainly won't call for help or dial 15. LOL"

Is being a pussy synonymous for Paki or Muslim?

Goat there is no muslim official that speaks for us. Where do you want to see the outrage?

If I say anything I'm an appologist.

The prick is a criminal. Arrest him. try him. Sentence him. But blaming all muslims is stupid.

Is being a pussy synonymous for Paki or Muslim?

Oh, I would call 15 in a second of I see Goatee getting mugged. In fact, I might plaster the mugger myself if I feel Goatee is going under.

I would not like Goatee to interfere when I'm getting mugged... that would be stealing my "kill" from me. A man has the right to take apart his target without someone jumping in and spoiling everything.

However, some people are best left to their own fate.

Would I call the cops if I see LetusBray being mugged?

Probably not. LOL

I see the childish Broad brush painting with Chris's post. I'm sure more will follow.

Why am I not suprised

Please continue.

#3 | Posted by klifferd at 2010-01-01 11:23 PM


Now, klifferd, you know I don't include you in with the Muslims who seem to declare this jihad crap at the drop of hat. I've read many of your posts and enjoyed getting to know your points of view on a number of issues as they are seen through the eyes of an American Muslim.

This is just my own take on it, but I feel ALL Muslims end up taking the heat -- and painted, as you said, with a broadbrush -- for the acts of the more radical few because the more peaceful Muslims NEVER seem to speak up -- at least not in public -- to condemn the violent actions committed by the more radical followers of the Muslim religion. Why?

If the peaceful Muslims would speak out -- loudly -- and declare they find it wrong to try and take the life of this Danish cartoonist, people would be less inclined to lump all Muslims in together as one group with one mindset.

Could the truth be that peaceful Muslims might just be afraid for their own lives as well should they speak up and voice their disapproval?

Help me to understand this. Why the silence?

Need to unload a few groceries and get a couple more pages of work typed up but would like to read your thoughts on this later on when I come back. later

Oh, I would call 15 in a second...

Is "15" Pakistan's version of our "911"?

Goat there is no muslim official that speaks for us. Where do you want to see the outrage?

I was referring to the extremists. I presume you, tosser, ys1 are more moderate and would not get all excited about a cartoon.

But I just don't understand why anyone (extremist or not) would get upset over a cartoon

Is "15" Pakistan's version of our "911"?

Yep.

If the peaceful Muslims would speak out -- loudly

Only losers "speak out". Winners "do".

What do you think we were doing in Swat? We "did".. we killed the taliban... "speaking out" will get you nowhere and is indeed a childish concept.

news.bbc.co.uk

Chris. All I know is there is a loud anti extremist voice but it has no power or national representation.

Goat. I don't understand it either. Its frakkin retarded.

However, for a worm like this Danish fellow, I have no problem if someone kills him and I certainly do not care. Not my problem, at all.

All I know is I will not get my hands dirty. LOL

It is not part of my belief-system to interfere in someone else's problems. I only do that for close friends.

All I know is there is a loud anti extremist voice but it has no power or national representation.

So Pakistan Army is not a national entity? LOL

I still think that Muslims in America are potential enemies of the state much like Palestinians

Well they are.

I'm talking of a religious authority though. And meant international.

I presume you, tosser, ys1 are more moderate

Well, I don't believe that women should wear a burka. In fact, I go not know any such ladies.

But I do believe in and want thieves to get their hands amputated.

So you can decide if I'm moderate or not. LOL

"I still think that Muslims in America are potential enemies of the state much like Palestinian"

Then f'n put us in camps sally.

You shouldn't think. God kills a kitten everytime you think.

It will never cease to amaze me that a mortal, albeit a mind-numbed-and-programmed-by-
religion mortal, feels the need to defend a dead man who could care less about some stupid cartoon because he's lying petrified in the ground.

Talk about over-reacting.

But I do believe in and want thieves to get their hands amputated.

Is that before or after an actual trial, or in-between beatings and confessions?

"But I do believe in and want thieves to get their hands amputated."

What if the thief is a child?

I'm talking of a religious authority though. And meant international.

Oh that will never be. And that's a good thing.

I don't want some "religious authority" in some Arab country to tell me what to do. LOL

Is that before or after an actual trial

Are you saying we don't have courts with lousy ambulance chasing lawyers?

Of course, you are Boyd. LOL

Only you can be this stupid.

What if the thief is a child?

This is only for repeat offenders, never first-timers and never kids.

But for you, we'll make an exception.

(actually this punishment is meant for people like the President of Pak)

It also applies to people who "steal" elections like they steal a base in baseball. (no... baseball players will not get amputated)

Technically, Chimpy should've been called "Lefty".

Ahmed Ninja probably qualifies to be called "Lefty" too.

Tosser-
Are you saying we don't have courts with lousy ambulance chasing lawyers?

I really don't know what you intend to say here, though I think I'm beginning to understand why the authoritarians on this blog seemed to warm up you to once Bush was no longer president and they could see that you were in common cause with them, while before they just took your hatred of the US and its constitution personally, as if it ever mattered to them...lol.

Post 35 by Boyd.

Boys and Girls... please observe yonder moron trying to make sense of the universe.

Then f'n put us in camps sally.

I actually would be fine with putting Muslims in FEMA camps. There are certain projects in Brooklyn that would make excellent housing. We could put all Muslim assets in a trust fund that help pay for the utilities, re-education classes, and pay for building new housing for people currently living there. The administrator of the Trust would be Goldman Sachs. It think this is the only way to ensure Jews living in America will be safe .

Then f'n put us in camps sally.

I actually would be fine with putting Muslims in FEMA camps. There are certain projects in Brooklyn that would make excellent housing. We could put all Muslim assets in a trust fund that help pay for the utilities, re-education classes, and pay for building new housing for people currently living there. The administrator of the Trust would be Goldman Sachs. It think this is the only way to ensure Jews living in America will be safe .

Just out of curiosity, Tosser...can you name a prominent person in US political history who wasn't a "Lefty"?

"This is only for repeat offenders, never first-timers and never kids.

But for you, we'll make an exception.

(actually this punishment is meant for people like the President of Pak)"

A barbaric form of punishment. I prefer the repayment of the loss from the theft or as we call it compensation to the victim of the crime.

First of all posts 37 and 38 flagged for spamming.

When you make a double post you apologize post-haste and profusely... or else.

And second.... you a Jew, boy? I've noticed you spouting anti-muslim filth here and there... so I wonder.

I prefer the repayment of the loss from the theft or as we call it compensation to the victim of the crime.

If they return what was stolen, then they won't be punished. That's a rule.

However, the President of Pakistan will never return what he and his wife stole.

I would love to amputate every part of him that sticks out. LOL

can you name a prominent person in US political history who wasn't a "Lefty"?

Eisenhower? (probably best American president in 20th Century)

Must be many many more, of course.

And second.... you a Jew, boy?

#41 | Posted by Tosser at 2010-01-02 01:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh....dear.

You know that "Goatman" is Jewish, right? Pinche Mao, too.

Damn.

Right-wingers, sure, but Jews.

Me too, actually.

everything is up for mockery.

Maybe you are right LetusBray.

Chew on that a bit, Tosser.

This is Tosser calling in an airstrike!

Tosser to Blog-Buddha! Tosser to Blog-Buddha! Come in Blog-Buddha!

Request emergency merging of this thread with this one!

www.drudge.com

You know that "Goatman" is Jewish, right?

I guessed.

When I say "Jewish" in a bad way, I actually mean "Zionist".

Yes, it's a bad habit and I apologize and won't do it again.

Pinche Mao, too.

THAT I didn't know. LOL

Me too, actually.

You I said were Jewish. And you denied it. Long time ago.

Or was that Moder8?

Right-wingers, sure, but Jews.

Me too, actually.

You are as right wing as Franken, boyd. Who the fuck do you think you are kidding?

Goatman-
Thanks for clearing that up. You may now reassure Tosser that you are not a Jew, and then tuck him in for the night.

Me...I'm off into the new year!

You I said were Jewish. And you denied it. Long time ago.

Yeah, it was you.

So were you lying then? Or are you lying now? Boyd?

You may now reassure Tosser that you are not a Jew, and then tuck him in for the night.

Goatee! You Jewish?

Hell, I don't care. LOL

Screw Boyd.

(Goatman - or are you a "Jew, boy?")

Happy New Year to all, and later on!

(Goatman - or are you a "Jew, boy?")

Typical Boyd... putting his own words in somebody else's mouth.

Boyd, I hope you .... somehow... grow a few inches in height in 2010.

Happy New Year, chump.

First of all posts 37 and 38 flagged for spamming.

When you make a double post you apologize post-haste and profusely... or else.

And second.... you a Jew, boy? I've noticed you spouting anti-muslim filth here and there... so I wonder.

The posts that were doubled were 36 and 37. When you make a weak attempt to admonsih someone at least have correct info. Furthermore, you are also a liar because you know a double post and spamming are not the same thing. Therefore, I refuse to apologive because you are an assclown.

Secondly, I consider anti-muslim and pro-American posts mutually inclusive. I am not Jewish. I a do not socialize with Jews on a regular basis though I have worked for them.

The posts that were doubled were 36 and 37. When you make a weak attempt to admonsih someone at least have correct info.

37 and 38, creep. Look again. hahahahahahahahaha

Are on drugs? Am I talking to a junkie? LOL

you know a double post and spamming are not the same thing.

In your case, they just might be.

Your just showing up for the party is spamming. LOL

I consider anti-muslim and pro-American posts mutually inclusive.

We know that, Bigot.

Therefore, I refuse to apologive because you are an assclown.

Not to me!

You have to apologize to Blog-Buddha and good folk of DR in general.

The fact that you refuse while making a personal thing out of it just reflects on your immaturity.

The jury will disregard future testimony from this witness!

apologive

That's "apologize" trailer-trash. LOL

Me...I'm off into the new year!

I hope you made a resolution not to be such a child on the DR.

Goatee! You Jewish?

LOL Fuck no. I was raised a Catholic, but am now an atheist

So were you lying then? Or are you lying now? Boyd?

He's lied about his race. (claimed to be black and white on two seperate occaisions a few months apart) so I wouldn't put it past him to claim to be Gentile one day and Jewish the next. Hell, he'll probably add Buddhist and Moslem to the mix to keep it interesting.

LOL Fuck no. I was raised a Catholic, but am now an atheist

Boyd had me going for a few minutes. LOL

I thought "maybe I missed something"....

He's lied about his race. (claimed to be black and white on two seperate occaisions a few months apart)

He just passed "Da Turd-Test".

But blaming all muslims is stupid.
#12 | Posted by klifferd

.....but blaming Islam is reasonable.....

....after all, all these Muslim murderers say that it was Islam that justified the killings.......

....so who are we to disagree with them ?.......

Skizziks has a valid point.

Show me where a christian has murdered someone for insulting their savior? Remember the full length film "The Last Temptation"?

Show me where a hindu has done the same.

A jew? Especially with all those uncomplimentary cartoons showing the big nose and bushy eyebrows?

Now, show me where a muslim, an adherent to islam, has murdered somebody because they insulted muhammad. Or allah. Or painted a picture of mohammad holding a pig or some bogus nonsense like that.

Nothing more dangerous to the world than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

I don't blame all muslims for the acts of some. I do hold islam responsible for promoting hate and murder among it's followers so inclined to bite, chew and swallow the poison muck of earthly discontent.

There are websites that keep track of the body count caused by religious extremism. You can guess which religion wins by about 100 to 1. Religion is not the enemy, but murderous religions are.

www.jennymccarthybodycount.com

There are websites that keep track of the body count caused by religious extremism.

There are also website that keep track of anti-religious extremism.

Behold.

www.commercialappeal.com

JACKSON -- There's a half million dollars sitting on the corner of Mississippi and President streets in Jackson, but no one could possibly steal it.

That's because the cash is in the form of pennies -- 50 million of them -- that collectively weigh 156 tons.

The coins, which fill a glass house outside of the Mississippi Baptist Convention building, provide a visual reminder of the number of abortions performed in the United States since the Roe vs. Wade decision in 1973.

That is one penny for each baby killed by American anti-religion.

50 million killed. LOL

See.... stats are a game anyone can play.

Extremism is extremism... whether it's religious, nationalistic or secular.

How many did American neo-con extremism kill? One million in Iraq, at least.

Wanna keep count? Sure. Why not.

As for the Danish cartoonist, consider the possibility.... no... the probability... that since Somalians are always dying of hunger and will do anything for a few coins and slices of bread tossed at them, this guy staged a fake attempt on himself to get more attention.

Remember, Kurt Westergaard was an unknown. He admitted he made the Mohamed cartoons to gain popularity/notoriety.

So this is how his mind works. Maybe it worked again. LOL

Such a stunt has been done by others before so it won't be the first time.

Politicians in Pakistan have done it twice at least that I know of... "help help... someone fired a kalashnikov at my house!"

Front of house full of holes... "Allah saved me and my family!"

Yeah.... and then the cops made someone talk and it turns out they did to themselves. LOL

Oldest trick in the book.

Of course, it also happens for real now and then... Benny shot when she stuck her head out of sunroof. LOL

Of course, it also happens for real now and then... Benny shot when she stuck her head out of sunroof. LOL
#76 | Posted by Tosser

....how about the 88 at the volleyball tournament ?....

.....that sort of thing seems to happen by the hand of Muslims everyday.......

....Oh by the way.....are you still denying that the Mumbai massacre was carried out by Paki Muslims ?......

....how about the 88 at the volleyball tournament ?....

What about it?

.....that sort of thing seems to happen by the hand of Muslims everyday.......

We no longer consider such people Muslims. They have excommunicated themselves.

.....are you still denying that the Mumbai massacre was carried out by Paki Muslims ?......

Who gives a shit about the Mumbai episode anymore? LOL

It's a closed chapter... more or less.

And yes, I have many doubts. Sorry.

We no longer consider such people Muslims.
#78 | Posted by Tosser

.....but they consider themselves Muslims, following their religion into martyrdom.......

.....they must be true believers to give up their lives like that, super-Muslims, or essential Muslims if you will.......

.....and if that's what Muslims believe that Islam is, who are we to say different ?......

"That is one penny for each baby killed by American anti-religion."

Interesting action for a bunch of christians.

They are collecting pennies to represent the # of aborted fetus' instead of going out, en mass, and committing violence upon those who believe otherwise.

Show me where a christian has murdered someone for insulting their savior? Remember the full length film "The Last Temptation"?

Christians don't murder people for insulting Christ, they murder then for not believing or paying alms to him.

Have you ever heard of the inquisition? How about the Crusades? How about the Salem witch hunt?

Have you ever heard of the inquisition? How about the Crusades? How about the Salem witch hunt?
#81 | Posted by RingMaster

....the problem with Islam, it is still in the same century as these Christian atrocities......

......Christianity has evolved past killing heretics,.....

..... Islam has not, and shows no signs that it ever can.......

No one is disputing the past crimes of the old testament followers. Glad that en mass belief isn't flourishing today.

Could we perhaps address current events; neither one of us was alive those many centuries ago.

I was referring to present day muslim attacks. Be here now, you know?

Superstistion is the root of all evil.

I saw that cartoon! Muhammad was shining Sarah Palin's shoes!

...but they consider themselves Muslims, following their religion into martyrdom.......

No.. they are paid at least 10,000 rupees a month and a few hundred thousand rupees to their families if they blow themselves up.

These "martyrs" do it for the money. LOL

And many are remote detonations but claims of responsibility are made to seem like they sent a suicide bomber in. More scare factor that way.

....and if that's what Muslims believe that Islam is,......

Islam can be many things to many people.

To me, it is an inspiration. To some, it is a way of war. To you, it is the devil.

Everyone gets out of it what they want.

The majority of Muslims however are of the opinion that the taliban and suicide bombers are not Muslims.

Suicide, after all, is a major sin in Islam (same with Jewish folk). Anyone who commits suicide will go to Hell.

We are also of the opinion that you, Skidmark, like to talk out of your ass.

Any muslims speaking out against this? Anyone? Hello..is this thing on?

Time to set up a government task force to understand why this jihadist..err...misguided youth..feels he needed to lash out against an evil cartoonist.

These "martyrs" do it for the money.
#86 | Posted by Tosser

.....nobody commits suicide for the money......

.....not unless Muslims figured out a way to take it with you.....

Islam can be many things to many people.
To you, it is the devil.

......not the devil.....just ignorance incarnate....

......and I don't hate people for being ignorant, I just hope that they get an education so they will stop killing themselves and others........

.....a life is a terrible thing to waste......

The majority of Muslims however are of the opinion that the taliban and suicide bombers are not Muslims.
#86 | Posted by Tosser

......and the majority of taliban and suicide bombers consider themselves holy warriors for Islam.......

.....if anyone can be right, and no one is really wrong......then what value is there in such a religion ?......

......certainly it does no favors to the people who have to endure it on a daily basis.......

......Islamic countries are the most miserable places on earth, and the more Islamic they are, the more their misery increases......

.....you see Tosser.......

.....I know that you can't speak freely, even here on this blog......

......you are always aware that if you say the wrong thing, one of your neighbors will turn you in.....

.....and they will come to kill you for apostasy.....

.....what kind of a miserable culture is that ?.....

"The majority of Muslims however are of the opinion that the taliban and suicide bombers are not Muslims."
#86 | Posted by Tosser

Well now, they sure aren't christians, jews, hindus, buddhists or members of the Mickey Mouse club, are they?

They are muslims, adherents to islam, as they admit it.

Nice try.

As I said in a previous post... I do hold islam responsible for promoting hate and murder among it's followers so inclined to bite, chew and swallow the poison muck of earthly discontent.

but blaming Islam is reasonable ... after all, all these Muslim murderers say that it was Islam that justified the killings ... so who are we to disagree with them ?

Do you often look for guidance from murderous lunatics?

Do you often look for guidance from murderous lunatics?
#92 | Posted by rcade

.......guidance ?.....no......

....but should I disbelieve them, when they say they are doing it in the name of Islam ?......what reason should I have for disbelieving them ?....they are acting in accordance with their stated beliefs......therefore we must hold their stated beliefs responsible.......

....remember... Rcade...

.....that many of these holy warriors have attended Madrassas, where all they do is study the Koran and Islam on a full time basis........

.....if they don't know the Koran, and understand Islam, then who does ?........

Do you often look for guidance from murderous lunatics?

Does the G-d of the Old Testament count?

Murderous lunatics can take any message they want from Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religion. If you condemn Islam because of the acts of terrorists committed in its name, intellectual honesty would require that you do the same of other religions.

Murderous lunatics can take any message they want from Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religion. If you condemn Islam because of the acts of terrorists committed in its name, intellectual honesty would require that you do the same of other religions.
#96 | Posted by rcade

......I am all in favor of that......

....religions should not be exempt from any hate legislation, and if found to have fomented hatred and violence, they should face approriate legal sanction.......

I don't like the idea of hate crimes, and I don't think I'd like hate legislation aimed at religions any better. If we got rid of religion there would still be plenty of murderous lunatics finding other reasons for their crimes.

Though rcade is very correct wit that observation.... obviously Kurt Westergaard is the Salman Rushdie of our time...and his days are probably numbered.

If we got rid of religion there would still be plenty of murderous lunatics finding other reasons for their crimes.
#98 | Posted by rcade

.....I did not say get rid of religions, just hold them responsible for what they are preaching........

......if they preach murder, then put the religion on trial......

.......we cannot stop evil if we are afraid to name it.......

don't think I'd like hate legislation aimed at religions

......hate legislation should not be AIMED at religions, but religions should not be EXEMPT from them either........

I disagree with doing away with hate crime legislation. I see plenty of crime wholly and solely based on an abstract hatred of a person's orientations. Such crimes merit separate and enhanced punishment in my opinion. The problem is, often prejudice is only one factor going into the mix of why a person might choose to attack another person. Often it is hard to separate out the different threads of motivation.

I disagree with doing away with hate crime legislation.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you advocate the thought police.

It doesn't surprise me at all that you advocate the thought police.
#102 | Posted by goatman

.......all police work is about INTENT........

I did not say get rid of religions, just hold them responsible for what they are preaching........
......if they preach murder, then put the religion on trial...... ......we cannot stop evil if we are afraid to name it...

The way to fight evil speech is with more speech, not by attempting to criminalize speech.

The way to fight evil speech is with more speech, not by attempting to criminalize speech.
#104 | Posted by rcade

......some speech is criminal.......

.....incitement to commit a crime is criminal speech......

.....why should it be exempt when it is couched in religious terminology ?........

......you seem to be an apologist for crimes committed in the name of religion, I assumed you had more spine, but I guess I was wrong......

SKIZZIKS

I agree with on all your postings but one #103.

Police handcuff people for actions not intent solely. Obliviosly the hiring of say a hit man is partly intent with action and so on. But there must be some action involved.... otherwise it would be 'thought police'

But there must be some action involved.... otherwise it would be 'thought police'

If you give a person a stricter sentence for killing someone because he's black than for killing a bank teller in a holdup, it's still the thouht police

But there must be some action involved.... otherwise it would be 'thought police'
#106 | Posted by JasonSmiles

......I agree with that.....

....we were discussing people who killed in the name of religion, killing being the act, and the religion providing the intent......

#107 Goatman

You are absolutely correct. Maybe I should have clarified myself better than a blanket statement. My Fault. Did Skizziks say that? I thought it was Moder8 in #101.

Hate Legislation is stupid. How about prosecuting simply for murder (the example)? When you elevate a certain group above others than you are creating a protected group. Remember that the Declaration states 'that all men (men, mankind etc is inclusive for woman, get off of me simple minded pc people) are created equal' (I know someone is screaming about slaves. GET over it The Northern representatives didn't want to include the slaves in the count because it would have weighted the southern states with more representatives it Congress. Though it is sad that it took so long to fix.)

If you give a person a stricter sentence for killing someone because he's black than for killing a bank teller in a holdup, it's still the thouht police
#107 | Posted by goatman

.....you have a good discussion point.......

.....but we have veered from the original discussion.......

......that is....if a religion tells its followers to commit a crime (murder), should that religion be held accountable, or should it be excused because it is a religion ?........

.....there are mullahs issuing fatwas to kill blasphemers,
.... is only the killer guilty ?
.....the killer and the mullah ?
....or the killer, mullah, and the religion that makes it possible by justifying murder for blasphemy ?......

.....remember....

....Mein Kampf is banned in many jurisdictions because it is considered a hate document that advocates killing certain people ....

.....should the same sanctions be applied to the Koran ?....which also advocates killing certain people ....

#110 -- good questions, and I think there is ample precedence that the guilt is shared. I.E., if a woman hires a hitman to off her husband, both the hitman and wife are culpable.

As far as blaming an entire religion, I guess the same precedent applies if it is in their holy books or writings that such crimes be carried out. But that's a fine line there since not everyone adheres 100% of their respective church's teachings.

But that's a fine line there since not everyone adheres 100% of their respective church's teachings.
#112 | Posted by goatman

.....oddly enough.....

....it's the ones that do, that give religion a bad name......

But to the topic: The only religion that I hear about doing anything like this (this being advocating murder) is the muslim faith. Now true you can find in the past (300 years in the past for Christians) other religions doing such or at least being blamed for it.

The real question (I think) is does the koran advocate this philosphy of killing non-believers? As I understand it there are passages that say to kill non muslims.
Admittably I can't quote the surah directly from memory. But that's what online references are for:

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

There are many others. So Does the religion itself say to commit crimes like murder? I would say yes.

So Does the religion itself say to commit crimes like murder?
#114 | Posted by JasonSmiles

......yes.....apostates (muslims who leave the faith) are to be put to death......

.....Christians used to have the same practice (but it is not mandated in the bible, as it is in the Koran, but Christians have not put a heretic to death for several hundred years, the Muslims continue the practice...

Mullahs ( Koranic scholars ) can issue fatwas against people who have 'offended' the Muslim faith, a fatwa is like taking out a contract on someone's life, right now there is an active fatwa against author Salman Rushdie, because he wrote a book that offended an Iranian mullah.......

Muslims are also encouraged to engage in Jihad, or holy war, they are promised rewards in paradise if they 'martyr' themselves, that is why you see the use of suicide bombs, they think that they are going to heaven.

#115 Skizziks

That reminds me Have you seen Jeff Dunham and Achmed the Terrorist? FUNNY seriously Funny. Especially about the 72 virgins. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
'What Mohhamad didn't say they (virgins) were going to be women , did he?' hahahahahahahahahahaha

Thanks goodness for a panic room.

Have you seen Jeff Dunham and Achmed the Terrorist?

.......I keeeel you !.....yes, it's a riot......

Man, those Danes don't fuck around - they held a hearing on the perp already, bringing him to court today lashed to a stretcher and charging him with attempted murder:

www.dailymail.co.uk

....but should I disbelieve them, when they say they are doing it in the name of Islam ?.....

Skidmark has still not explained away my point that suicide is a major MAJOR sin in Islam.

So a suicide bomber isn't going to heaven.

If they were proper Muslims they would know that. LOL

.....nobody commits suicide for the money......

Yes they do.

Are you that dumb? The next of kin gets "rewarded".

They do this in India all the time (Naxalite "terrorists"). The Tamil Tigers did it too.

......Christianity has evolved past killing heretics,.....

You can twist it all you like but the fact is, America has killed over one million people in Iraq.

America is a Christian nation and it does things like handing out bibles in Iraq and Afghanistan and praying before launching illegal white-phosphorus attacks against civilians in places like Falluja.

Christians can't kill Muslims for heresy since Muslims won't insult Jesus, but so what?

They will lie in the UN and go to a fake war instead. LOL

You may not believe it was Christianity at fault.... but I would say there IS a belief system at work at "the establishment" in US, that is predominantly Christian and neo-con. A sick SICK combination of Christianity, politics and some kind of crazy concept of manifest destiny.

Time is up, ...

can issue fatwas against people who have 'offended' the Muslim faith

A "fatwah" has no legal basis in Islamic Law (go look it up).

A "fatwah" is only "opinion of this guy the scholar".

This is like watching nanc or Lisa post what a 'real xtian' is.

What? You didn't know that taliban are paid 10,000-20,000 Rupees a month?

You think they become "talibans" for free? LOL

A taliban of the TTP was... at one point... paid more than what a regular border-guard makes in Pak every month.

As I understand it there are passages that say to kill non muslims.

Only if we go to war.

So Does the religion itself say to commit crimes like murder?

People killed in a just war are not "murdered". LOL

There is nothing in the Koran that sez a cartoonist should be killed.

If it WAS in the Koran, he and Salman Rushdie would be dead by now.

Instead all you get are one or two attempts by some loony, that's all.

but I would say there IS a belief system at work at "the establishment" in US, that is predominantly Christian and neo-con.
Bush did call it a Crusade.

A "fatwah" has no legal basis in Islamic Law (go look it up).
A "fatwah" is only "opinion of this guy the scholar".

You're wasting your time, half the people here think Osama bin Laden is the Muslim Pope. :)

Since there are around 1.5-2 billion Muslims, you have to understand that IF the Koran had said something must be done... IT WOULD BE DONE.

The fact that such worms are still alive... Westergaard.. Rushdie.... means that we don't take them seriously.

They love the attention, of course.. "Oooo... I've got a "fatwah" issued against me! Now I will be an important prick with police all around me!"

But really.... no amount of police protection would save you if more than a billion people are after you.

Tosser #120
hey tosser
READ My #114 It answers your suicide bomber question.

And I believe (though I'm not entirely certain I can prove it) that a few/several/some (take your pick) mullahs have sanctioned suicide bombers therefore giving the "Achmed's" a sense of religious ... cover (I guess) to committ crimes against humanity.

And payment I believe was covered in #87, 89 and 94
But I'll reiterate it for you. Suicide bombers certainly believe in their cause otherwise they would not do it. Now granted hamas has used retarded kids so that is an exception. The money itself ... well, guess what, they (suicide bombers) can't take it with them so their families get it. (unless they go to a strip clubs first... hasan of Fort Hood noteriety and the 9/11 bombers. Oh and we're learning that a mullah has direct links to hasan and al queda)

READ My #114 It answers your suicide bomber question.

It does not.

Suicide bombers certainly believe in their cause otherwise they would not do it.

Well, over 99.99% of Muslims agree that suicide is un-Islamic and people who kill themselves go to Hell.

Why they do it?

As I said, many times it isn't a suicide bomber at all. However a claim is made to scare people that "hey. we are ready to kill ourselves!"....

Another reason is, they ARE paid to join up. After they join up, they get brainwashed.

Still another reason is just straight kidnapping and threats.

We rescued a kid who had been kidnapped by the taliban to become a suicide bomber. About 14 years old.

He said he endured daily beatings and his family was threatened. They abused him and kept him hungry and thirsty and destroyed his self-image (a standard tactic) until he was nearly ready.

But we got him first.

He said there were around 30 other kids who couldn't escape.

The point is, from what we know, they don't do this of their own free will.

Some start out as paid taliban-soldiers, and some (most) are pure kidnap victims who are brainwashed and threatened.

We have a warehouse full of documentation to support that.

well, guess what, they (suicide bombers) can't take it with them so their families get it.

That's right.

Give me Skidmark for 48 hours.

I promise you I can break him and make him sing praises of Islam. LOL

As most interrogators know, NOBODY can hold out for more than 48 hours sustained interrogation. EVERYBODY breaks.

I am teaching you real military doctrine, my dears. This isn't something I'm pulling out of my ass or out of a webpage like you folks do.

Bush did call it a Crusade.

Yep.

You're wasting your time

I know. But it's Sunday and I ain't got nothing better to do. LOL

news.bbc.co.uk

Read this about the kid we rescued and watch the video.

As you can see, they use torture, threats and most worryingly, DRUGS. The guy doing the bombing is heavily drugged and doesn't know which side is up and which is down. LOL

I don't know what kind of shit they are doing in Afghanistan, but as the Pakistani commander sez, if the Americans can't handle it we'll keep getting these suicide bomber types from across the border.

Anyway.. this thread is about a Danish cartoonist whose miserable life was supposedly threatened by someone from Somalia. LOL

Would I be happy or sad if this guy had been killed?

Actually I couldn't care less. Stupid fellow ought to have known better before putting himself out as a target for crazies.

TOSSER

Maybe this question is too Pollyanna but I'm going to ask it of you anyway.

In the U.S. we have a lot of phonys who call themselves Christians but, under the skin, are not Christians in the conventional sense. They routinely break all of the Ten Commandments and dissect passages of the Bible to suit their purpose.

Can the same be true of the Muslim faith . . . picking and choosing which tenant of the Koran suits their purpoe and which doesn't . . . and still put on a Muslim face . . . much like our phony Christians?

If so, are they "tolerated?" . . . like we tolerate our phonies in the U.S.?

Can the same be true of the Muslim faith . . . picking and choosing which tenant of the Koran suits their purpoe and which doesn't . . . and still put on a Muslim face . . . much like our phony Christians?

Sure. I run into such folk all the time.

That's just human nature.

If so, are they "tolerated?" . . . like we tolerate our phonies in the U.S.?

Nobody's an angel. You have to tolerate.

They routinely break all of the Ten Commandments and dissect passages of the Bible to suit their purpose.

Give me the American Constitution and let me dissect and cherry pick a sentence from here and there and I can and will find something to justify murder.

Lawyers (also known as "filth in a suit")do this "sound bite" trick all the time.

Which is why dissecting the Koran or the Bible is a sin. Either read all of it, or at the very least, all of a certain chapter to understand the context. And then you read the historical context from the margins too. That's because many Koranic verses were for times of war only... not for peace-time.

Nobody's an angel. You have to tolerate.

#137 | Posted by Tosser at 2010-01-03 03:01 AM

Exactly...

Btw, did you know Pakistan was created by a lawyer (a very good one too)? LOL

So even though I called them "filth", there have been exceptions.

Moder8 is not one of them.

Boyd had me going for a few minutes. LOL

I'm glad Goatman reassured you that he is not now, and has never been, a Jew:

Goatee! You Jewish?

LOL Fuck no. I was raised a Catholic, but am now an atheist

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2010-01-02 02:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

You two may now resume your virtual pen-pal lives secure in the knowledge that "fuck no", Goatman has never been a Jew; and so your friendship can continue without glitch, and your hatred of the left can be mutually shared without any of taint of Jewery (of which the left is full of).

Boys and Girls observe!

Boyd couldn't find a date is back for attention! LOL

Simma down now Betelg - just finish wit yer gl frnd?

Not enough POW in your kung pow chicken?

Not so much back for attention as to point out your glaring hatred of Jews.

Hold on now...if Tosser is going to beat you down I may have to take your side Betelg.

Facts are doubious.

And Tosser does hate Jews, Americans..etc.

Boyd... everytime you try something funny, you end up crying like a little girl.

Just because I think you are disgusting, doesn't mean I hate all Jews. I actually couldn't care less.

It's some Jewish people (usually American) who seem to be extremely anti-Muslim.

So it is a bit of profiling I am doing. Certainly far less insidious than what happens in American airports every day.

Now go find yourself a proper date, you dope.

Beachbuzz-
Here's a fun game. Tell Tosser you are a Jew. Watch the sparks fly as he grapples with it. At first he'll pretend it's not true. He will then make an exception and like you anyway, since you are his ally on the ideological spectrum.

Or, you can be like Goatman and assure him that you are indeed not a Jew and never have been, oblivious to the implications of your statement, and ignorant of what you are conceding to an anti-semitic troll merely in the interest of pissing me off.

And Tosser does hate Jews, Americans..etc.

Not if you are a blonde with boobies.

And Tosser does hate Jews, Americans..etc.

#146 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2010-01-03 03:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

He certainly hates Jews, but he really likes some non-Jew Americans. Goatman, for example.

And you?

an anti-semitic troll

I can't be anti-Semitic since I am myself of Semitic descent.

Arabs are more Semitic than anyone Jewish can claim to be.

My bad, Tosser. You hate Jews.

Is that better?

My bad, Tosser. You hate Jews.

So you claim.

Boyd... it is still not too late.

Call this number.... 312-397-1200.... and get yourself a date.

I never butt in when you guys throw your zingers back and forth.

But this comment last night to Betelg --

"And second.... you a Jew, boy?"

Things started to get a little ugly. We don't really need to go there, do we?

I dare anyone on DR to call THAT number. LOL

Tell me who you find on the other end and what they say. hahahahahahahahahahaha

But this comment last night to Betelg --

"And second.... you a Jew, boy?"

I wasn't talking to Boyd when I asked that.

Things started to get a little ugly.

And I throttled them back.

It gets as ugly as you want to make it. I only mirror your own stuff back at you.

That is the Asian Communication Method. Very effective!

tosser: mail

CC-
re: "And second.... you a Jew, boy?"

Really? You think that's over the line?

How about good honest American posters (Goatman, eg) reassuring Tosser that, "fuck no", they aren't no Jew and never have been?

Where does that shit fall in the latrine, in your opinion?

We don't really need to go there, do we?

And whats wrong with asking anyone if they are Jewish?

Are Jews ashamed of being Jewish?

If anyone asks me, I tell them straight off I am Muslim (Hanfi) from Pakistan and damn proud of it.

Let them go at it Chris. I'm enjoying the sparing.

Meanwhile...how are you doing? Have a good Christmas? Get all the toys you wanted?

tosser: mail

#158 | Posted by goatman at 2010-01-03 03:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Very sweet.

goodnight blog

tosser: mail

Oh wow!

Really?

Boyd.... you are ONE SICK PUPPY!

goodnight blog

RUN FORREST RUN!!!

I didn't really send tosser mail. I just wrote that to push your paranoia buttons, boyd. It worked. LOL

I didn't really send tosser mail. I just wrote that to push your paranoia buttons, boyd. It worked. LOL

But you'll never know for sure, will you, Boyd?

And that will eat at you and eat at you until you all you got left to eat is your own asshole.

And then you will eat that too and blink out of existence.

So.... anyone on DR called that number?

312-397-1200

Or does RCADE run a chicken farm?

Damn Goat,

Who do you defend out here? I kind of want to defend Boyd against Tosser because Tosser is such an angry fuck.

But boyd has pissed me off so many times in the past...decisions, decisions...

Back to my Abslut and cigar...

Does everyone in the US have caller-ID?

Over here, you get the service anyways and can't shut it off except by a court order.

No anonymity.

Wrong number Tosser.

Tosser is such an angry fuck.

That would be "irritating fuck".

Right now you sound a hell of a lot angrier than I ever did. LOL

Wrong number Tosser.

Nope. You didn't dial.

Try this one: 866.212.8411

866.212.8411

Try mine first.

I tried yours...Did you answer?

Who do you defend out here?

I love to fuck with boyd. His buttons are so easy to push.

I love to fuck with boyd. His buttons are so easy to push.

Kinda like a Jitterbug phone.

I tried yours...Did you answer?

Which means you never tried. That isn't MY phone, doofus.

His buttons are so easy to push.

A person this predictable ought to be locked up for his own good.

And that isn't mine either?

Play some games?

This is MY number.

646-495-9215
Extension 55449

Call the number, wait a few seconds and then punch in the extension.

It's my voice mail and I'll get to hear everything that comes out of your mouth from that point on.

Say whatever you want to say. LOL

And that isn't mine either?

That's a toll-free number.

No it isn't yours.

Why should I call your voice mail when I can talk to you right here?

I gave you MY number...call me if you want some loving!

I gave you MY number...call me if you want some loving!

It's a toll free number for an escort service... just like mine was.

So no, it's not your number.

Why should I call your voice mail when I can talk to you right here?

So I can tell from your accent and pronunciation how stoopid you are?

Call the number, wait a few seconds and then punch in the extension.

and then wait for the explosion! hahaha

and then wait for the explosion!

I was right. RCADE runs a chicken academy.

It's just the voice mail number that I have printed on my business cards.

If you want to give me a piece of your mind, shout at me or whatever, go right ahead and call me.

Again:

646-495-9215
Extension 55449

It's a NYC number and it's toll-free.

For people outside the US, add 001 to the number.

To put it on sped dial on a Nokia phone (so you don't have to punch in the extension) you go:

0016464959275pp5549

Guess you and me will have to meet on the street.

LOL... what the fuck are you talking about? What street?

You want me to fly out to the US so I can find you in some dark alley, you pervert?

And you better bring your "A" game cause I won't be fucking around.

Ooooooo... is that a threat? LOL

Call me and maybe I'll believe you.

Come on. Call me on my number and let me hear you make that threat Champ. LOL

You are not calling....... LOL

I am waiting, big guy.

Useless... can't even get the courage to make a threat to my face.

A real man would've called me and told me exactly what he thought of me.

Paper tiger. LOL

You can just take my word on that promise.

I can't do that until I hear the truth of it in your voice, yellow-belly.

Us Asians are masters of communications... we can't stop talking. I'll be able to tell from the tone of your voice how much you mean what you say.

Right now, I'm operating with most of my senses cut off. So I until you call me, I'll just have to call bullshit on you.

Still no phone call..... LOL, cluck cluck....

What's the worst that will happen if you call me and leave me a message??? Eh, Chicken?

Guy is too afraid to pick up the phone and he claims he'll beat me up in some dark alley? LOL

Yeah right.

Right now, I'm operating with most of my senses cut off. So I until you call me, I'll just have to call bullshit on you.

#198 | Posted by Tosser at 2010

I gave you my number and you have yet to call.

I gave you my number and you have yet to call.

That is not your number. Sorry.

I gave you my number and you have yet to call.
I'm thinking you don't love me know more!...

...sad times ehh Chris?

I gave you my number and you have yet to call.

866 numbers are toll-free. There is no way in hell that is your home phone. LOL

You have not tried it yet...have you!

I gave you my number and you have yet to call.
I'm thinking you don't love me know more!...

That's my song, chicken-heart.

Call me and say what you really mean to say. Otherwise you are just a fart against the wind.

Unlike you, I am not American and I don't lie. That number does belong to me and I am telling you to use it. LOL

You have not tried it yet...have you!

Yes I have. It's an escort service.

okay Tosser...you win.

I have not been honest with you. I am actually a CIA agent programed to track you.

You move, I move. You see, I see. You jack off, I puke...

I am actually a CIA agent...

...Who is too afraid to call me up. LOL

okay Tosser...you win.

I know, loser.

you call me bitch!!!

When you give me your home phone number, I will.

But then you'll be afraid if Wifey picks up first. LOL

I gave it to you already. Too affraid?

And I'll have your address in about 5 seconds.

I would LOVE to talk to you on the phone machine...thingy.

That is what worries me.....!

I gave it to you already. Too affraid?

I said so before. That is not YOUR number.

Give me YOUR number as I gave you MINE.

Convince me you mean what you say. Let me hear your voice. You are the one who made a threat and told me what a macho freak you're supposed to be hiding out i dark alleys like a pervert. LOL

You are the one who made a threat and told me what a macho freak you're supposed to be hiding out i dark alleys like a pervert. LOL

I told you no such thing and you know it.

Are you a lying infidel or pretend to be such?

I told you no such thing and you know it.

I think you did.

Guess you and me will have to meet on the street.

And you better bring your "A" game cause I won't be fucking around.

Sure sounds like a threat.

Let me hear your voice so I can tell otherwise.

Or be a man and make your threat to my face.

Are you a lying infidel

You're the infidel... or are you claiming to be Muslim now? LOL

Just as I figured...A lying infidel.

No room for you in God's orchard.

My voice-mail box is still empty..... LOL

I tire of this game. No good playing with a loser.

Just as I figured...A lying infidel.

So you are saying I'm not a Muslim.

OK... people here have thought I'm from UK, Australia, New Jersey, and India. So this is nothing new. LOL

No room for you in God's orchard.

In God's WHAT?

Next thing you'll tell me is that God runs a dairy farm....

You're the infidel... or are you claiming to be Muslim now? LOL

#218 | Posted by Tosser at 2010

Actually no. I am a Christian coming to clense your evil soul.

tire of this game. No good playing with a loser.

#220 | Posted by Tosser at 2010-01-03 05:01 AM | Reply

Have you called me yet punk?

Will you?

I am a Christian coming to clense your evil soul.

To do THAT.... Fundo.... you'll have to yell at me first, no?

"The power of Christ compels you! The power of Christ compels you!"

It all starts with a phone call. LOL

Have you called ME yet punk?

Will YOU?

Still up for the challenge?

Still up for the challenge?

To meet you on the street and dish it out?

No thanks. I have better things to do.

Two Questions

WHo whas the first president?

Who bombed Japan?

WHo whas the first president?

Sikander Mirza. 1956.

Who bombed Japan?

You did you stupid fuck..... LOL

and yer little fucking google doesn't count

and yer little fucking google doesn't count

Oh do shut up now, please.

You are boring me.

I told you yer fucking google doesnt count!!

Stupid tosser

Tosser wins award for his new book "From Infidel to Imbecile!"

Full title "From Infidel to Imbecile: A journey of an American pervert who hid in dark alleys and never used the phone."

the problem with Islam, it is still in the same century as these Christian atrocities Christianity has evolved past killing heretics Islam has not, and shows no signs that it ever can

Islamic countries will face the same trends of modernization and secularism as everybody else. It's happening in Iran and Turkey and will spread elsewhere as countries improve their economic condition.

and will spread elsewhere as countries improve their economic condition.

And what will happen in the US as economic conditions degrade?

And what will happen in the US as economic conditions degrade?

The U.S. is first in total GDP and sixth in GDP per capita. We're a long way from suffering massive societal change due to economic woes.

We're a long way from suffering massive societal change due to economic woes.

Oookayyy...

rcade:

Over the long haul, you may well be right, but for the short term, the spread of fundamentalist terror has got to be contained. I'm thinking that nations are going to have to band together and refuse entry altogether to nationals of certain countries. Also, incentives to repatriate are needed; Denmark's already doing this, paying some of its immigrant groups to return to their home countries. We've got a bunch of people out there who have repeatedly demonstrated they're not remotely ready to live in free, secular, pluralistic societies, and it's time to drop the P.C. thinking and keep them away from those societies.

Such a program of containment would undoubtedly do harm to innocent people, of course - if you say no one from Nation X can come to America, you are excluding good people as well as bad. Unfortunately, as the Christmas bomber incident showed, there is no reliable yardstick for who's wearing a white hat and who's wearing a black one. Fundamentalist leaders are indoctrinating educated, well-off people who formerly might not have been recruitable.

It has proved impossible to sort out good guys from bad guys, so I think the direction we're going to be headed in is cutting off the flow of immigration and travel from countries whose fundie populations pose a threat. Not a nice or P.C. thing to contemplate, but goddammit, this is war.

Our per-capita GDP could fall 50 percent and still be 10 times as big as that of Pakistan.

Our per-capita GDP could fall 50 percent and still be 10 times as big as that of Pakistan.

And I would say to you, it isn't about GDP.

People in dirt poor islands behave much more rationally than Americans in general.

Over the long haul, you may well be right, but for the short term, the spread of fundamentalist terror has got to be contained.

The west has done nothing but meddle, occupy and attack their culture and kill their families, yet MTW can't imagine why they are so hostile.

We've got a bunch of people out there who have repeatedly demonstrated they're not remotely ready to live in free, secular, pluralistic societies, and it's time to drop the P.C. thinking and keep them away from those societies.

We live in a free, secular, pluralistic society? Could have fooled me.

"The west has done nothing but meddle, occupy and attack their culture and kill their families, yet MTW can't imagine why they are so hostile."

Ray:

The history of this planet is filled with horrors, and it is absolutely true that horrors should never be committed. But many places where suffering has been greatest have risen above the damage inflicted upon them, instead of descending to terror as some sort of "tit for tat" payback. Poland has suffered long and much, so has Vietnam. In neither country do you find terror cells committed to the idea of blowing airplanes filled with travelers out of the sky. They're too busy rebuilding their nations, and have made enormous strides in doing so.

There is the U.N. There is the World Court. There are systems of reparation payments. Those are legal options that can be pursued, instead of destabilizing the entire world over one's grievances. Some of my own ancestors were brutally, sadistically killed during the Revolutionary War, intentionally maimed by rifle fire and then left naked to freeze in the dead of winter. That does not give me the right to harm one hair on a Briton's head today. The United States does need to step up to the plate on some things, it is true. But tit for tat isn't going to get us there, and it's not going to bring back one family member or leader or religious figure.

Shit happens. And if you think we don't live in a free society, you could try China, where we couldn't be having this conversation, because we'd have a hard time getting to this site in the first place, and an almost impossible one continuing to use it without detection.

find terror cells committed to the idea of blowing airplanes filled with travelers out of the sky.

Which is turning out to be all drama.

There was no real terror incident.

That does not give me the right to harm one hair on a Briton's head today.

We were of the British Empire for 200 years.

We got many good things out if it... like Cricket and the English language... while the clever bastards stole our jewels away (the Crown Jewels). LOL

I do not believe in hurting the British... but I do believe we have the right to stay and poop there, like they stayed and pooped here.

But tit for tat

As if the meddling has stopped.

No sir... the meddling has not stopped. Don't blame people from righting an ongoing wrong.

One can not "forgive and forget" because it simply hasn't stopped yet. When you stop, then expect the other side to "forgive and forget".

Until then, enjoy them apples.

you could try China, where we couldn't be having this conversation, because we'd have a hard time getting to this site in the first place, and an almost impossible one continuing to use it without detection.

More anti-China drama. LOL

They can see this page fine. I checked from them.

People in dirt poor islands behave much more rationally than Americans in general.

Your reflexive anti-Americanism is getting old.

Charitable giving and volunteerism are higher among Americans than in any other developed country:

"Americans gave, per capita, three and a half times as much to causes and charities as the French, seven times as much as the Germans, and 14 times as much as the Italians. Similarly, in 1998, Americans were 15 percent more likely to volunteer their time than the Dutch, 21 percent more likely than the Swiss, and 32 percent more likely than the Germans. These differences are not attributable to demographic characteristics such as education, income, age, sex, or marital status. On the contrary, if we look at two people who are identical in all these ways except that one is European and the other American, the probability is still far lower that the European will volunteer than the American."

www.american.com

Shit happens.

I mentioned this before.....

Since the US killed one million Iraqis... just for the fuck of it.... in a just world, the Iraqis would have the right to kill 15 million Americans... just for the fuck of it.

I don't have that right... Pak is not at war with US. But they have that right.

Imagine if they had the power to do that? Imagine if after that, they tell you "Hey! Shit happens! So suck it up and smile!"

I wonder if you would suck it up and smile? LOL

Your reflexive anti-Americanism is getting old.

Feels quite fresh from where I'm standing....

Charitable giving and volunteerism are higher among Americans than in any other developed country:

Rrrright.

After putting a country behind trade barriers and sanctions and "anti-dumping duties" for protecting their own dying industries, Americans "give".

Sorry, but not good enough.

You may "give" but you seem to "take" a whole lot more.

Tosser:

I remind you that after the deaths of 3000 Americans in 9/11, millions of Muslims in this country go about their daily business undisturbed by their neighbors. Shit happens, harming innocent Muslims here in this country isn't going to solve a damn thing or bring anyone who died in the Twin Towers back, and the good and peaceable people of this nation know that, even if our leaders don't always.

It is absolutely true that America, as a nation, has things to answer for in the Middle East. It's my opinion that putting some of our recent governmental officials on trial as war criminals would go a long way towards resolving those grievances. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Blair would be an excellent start.

Anyway, RCADE, you mentioned the theory that the more poor you are the more crazy you should be.

Though experiment now.

You take a pizza... take my favorite.. chicken-tikka pizza... and just leave it in the middle of the street in any place in USA.

How soon before pizza has vanished? 5 minutes? 5 seconds?

Leave same hot pizza in the middle of the street in some poor part of China.

Pizza will still be there next day.

Why?

Simply because the Chinese won't touch something that doesn't belong to them.

GDP??? HA!

Well, China has the Hu...song

I remind you that after the deaths of 3000 Americans in 9/11

Hey! Shit happens!

harming innocent Muslims here in this country isn't going to solve a damn thing or bring anyone who died in the Twin Towers back

So you lie in the UN and attack an innocent country thinking maybe this will show 'em.

It's my opinion that putting some of our recent governmental officials on trial as war criminals would go a long way towards resolving those grievances. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Blair would be an excellent start.

You don't have the collective balls for that.

All I see here on the Retort is one American group nearly worshiping some bloody politician or being totally against one.

Your partisanship will be the end of you.

"These are people who don't forget and don't forgive."

Kinda like the Rothschilds?

It's my opinion that putting some of our recent governmental officials on trial as war criminals would go a long way towards resolving those grievances.

It will never happen. There are too many people who worship those bastards, and bringing them to trial would demand the cooperation of a lot of people who were complicit in the Iraq war. The decision to invade Iraq was overwhelmingly bipartisan. Practically everyone in the US government wants to keep this skeleton sealed in the closet.

As far as I'm concerned, any decent American should vote against the crooks, liars, and fools who supported that war.

Your partisanship will be the end of you.

A very accurate observation. It's already killing us.

Well, China has the Hu...song

The WHAT song?

Premier Hu song...google it:>)

Oh... I get it. A new version of "Who's on first?"

drop the Premier & you get a sufi version perhaps, too...among others:>)

"I remind you that after the deaths of 3000 Americans in 9/11
Hey! Shit happens!
harming innocent Muslims here in this country isn't going to solve a damn thing or bring anyone who died in the Twin Towers back
So you lie in the UN and attack an innocent country thinking maybe this will show 'em.:

Welcome to today's edition of Miss That Point, starring Tosser!

I said "shit happens" in my original post. Shit does happen. 9/11 was serious, serious shit. But it happened, and nothing anyone can do will ever undo it. So we Americans go on from there, instead of plotting revenge. Our recent leaders were a different story, it is true.

You confuse Americans with America's leaders of the last administration. Americans by and large do not want war, and do not condone what has been done in their name in the Middle East. There are simple-minded individuals who worship the ground Bush & Co. walk on, but they are a minority.

I agree with you 100% that Bush and his minions will likely never see the inside of a courtroom. More's the pity. The problem is the power of the office of the Presidency. It would be a very courageous President indeed who set the precedent of prosecuting one of his predecessors, because his own record would then be open to future judgment. It is commonly held - rightly or wrongly - that our executive branch could not function if the possibility existed that its officeholders were to be held criminally accountable ex officio. I personally think that we need such accountability in the case of Bush & Co. as a signal to future officeholders that they should consider their actions with the gravest care. But I agree with you that it will not happen.

It is commonly held - rightly or wrongly - that our executive branch could not function if the possibility existed that its officeholders were to be held criminally accountable ex officio.

If this is the commonly held belief, it's only a synapse away to realize endemic corruption, at least in the executive branch, will never perish. (For some time I've felt the men and women in judiciary are the only cohesive force in government left.)

It might have helped if the Republicans hadn't voted to impeach Clinton for lying about a blowjob. But of course, they did that on purpose, ensuring future attempts at impeachment also look frivolous, even if the offense was capital.

The U.S. is first in total GDP and sixth in GDP per capita. We're a long way from suffering massive societal change due to economic woes.

Translation: We're still fat enough, dumb enough, and happy enough to fiddle while Rome burns, or the globe melts as the case may be.

"If this is the commonly held belief, it's only a synapse away to realize endemic corruption, at least in the executive branch, will never perish."

My, what an affinity for the obvious.

Simply because the Chinese won't touch something that doesn't belong to them.

The world you're portraying where Americans can do nothing right while foreigners can do no wrong is a cartoon. The idea the Chinese are all good decent people who never do anything wrong is funny, considering the obnoxious-as-hell Chinese spammer hitting this site for weeks. I've wasted a lot of time on that jerk. But I guess it's comforting to know that while he would steal my resources to promote shady businesses, he wouldn't steal a slice of pizza.

considering the obnoxious-as-hell Chinese spammer hitting this site for weeks. I've wasted a lot of time on that jerk. But I guess it's comforting to know that while he would steal my resources to promote shady businesses, he wouldn't steal a slice of pizza.

You should put some porn on the site, with the latest Chinese crackdown you'll be safe.

If Bush is ever arrested for war crimes there will be a civil war

If Bush is ever arrested for war crimes there will be a civil war

If it snows diamonds we'll all be rich.

If it snows diamonds we'll all be rich.

No we wouldn't. If they were in such abundance, they'd be worthless.

diamonds are quite abundant but Debeers controls the supply on the market to inflate the price

"If Bush is ever arrested for war crimes there will be a civil war."

The arrest and prosecution of Bush & Company ???

LOL

You see a civil war? Tell us (just for giggles) . . . Between whom and whom?

Personally, I see cheering in the streets and a ticker-tape parade for the prosecutor. Which, incidentally, would be a lot more fitting.

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