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Thursday, December 31, 2009

Republican attorneys general in 13 states say congressional leaders must remove Nebraska's political deal from the federal health care reform bill or face legal action, according to a letter provided to The Associated Press Wednesday. "We believe this provision is constitutionally flawed," South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster and the 12 other attorneys general wrote in the letter to be sent Wednesday night to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

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This is what happens when they pass a bill full of corruption.

Politically motivated-Political Hackery.

Nothing More.
How long before you guys start screaming for a lynch mob?

Why do you talk about lynching Frank??

Obama is set to lose the 2012 election--starting with the mid-terms. The writing is on the wall.

The bribe is unconstitutional.

Watch for other AG's to join.

They have to protect their own state.

You're right, frank55, both sides of the isle talking out both sides of their mouths. And asses.

But not a fucking peep about being forced under law to buy a corrupt, broken "product", from corrupt, broken suppliers and their douche-bag contemporaries in the health care "profession".

That may be next Git--the whole concept is unconstitutional.

#3 murph
The bribe is unconstitutional.

Are you sure, Murph? I could swear the word bribe is in the Constitution.

Perhaps the bill as a whole is unconstitutional in violation of the fourth, fifth, eighth, ninth and tenth amendments.

Politics as usual. This is news?

The Senate was designed from the get go to obstruct, quite consciously built into the Constitution. Guaranteeing minority rights was a central tenet of the design.

But today the Senate is locked in moral bankruptcy and intellectual incompetence with pathetic efforts to address problems as glib as defining marriage and as serious as going to war.

The Senate was never intended to operate by majority rule; it was designed to operate by "unanimous consent." Nominations, even bills, can be held up for days, even months before a majority leader starts what passes for debate these days. It means any and all committee hearings must be shut down any time the Senate is in session and a senator objects. The Senate rules are an almost endless opportunity for mischief, for any member or faction wanting to play the role.

Racist Southern Democrats used these tools in the 1960s when they stood endlessly in the way of civil rights bills. Equally despicable grandstanders have done the same thing to health care. Any senator with the brains and guts to hamstring George W. Bush's blustering the country into war in October, 2002 could have done so.

If you want to fix the gridlock problem in Congress and fix it good, the best thing to do is to eliminate the Senate. A bad idea if you like democracy.

As designed, the Senate has the role of cooling excess, either from an overreaching executive or the House where a majority can run any tyranny. Instead, the Health Care Obstructionists sought to heat up their own political base and contributions to augment their selfish visions of future political self-aggrandizement. May they rot in ignominy for their efforts.

When was the last time we saw an actual filibuster? If an individual senator or a party wants to hold up the train because they have either a disgustingly selfish or admirably noble point to make, they should be permitted to explain themselves for a 100 hours on C-Span.

A filibuster used to require energy and skill to carry out. You had to know the rules, or a goof could shut you down. You had to be extraordinarily well prepared, skillful and alert to pull it off, with the energy and determination to endure. For those reasons they were a show worth watching and very rare.

It would be a useful exercise to force today's Senate peacocks through such an exercise. Instead today they raise their little pinkie, gridlock ensues and grubbing for votes the primary activity. Real debate and real filibusters are non-existent.

It is not the rules in the Senate that need adjustment; it is the members. Changing them would require Senate leadership with strength of character, intellect, and will to impose higher standards of conduct. It would also require a public, especially journalists, willing to exercise the same. Good luck to us on that.

Excerpted from Winslow Wheeler who spent 31 years working on Capitol Hill with senators from both parties.

As the Constitution was originally set up THE STATES have the power. We are finally seeing states asserting their rights against the Federal government since .... well really since the Civil War. Montana, Utah, Texas and a couple other states have sent letters (from their Legislatures) to the Federal government clarifing the state as a seperate entity not beholden to the federal.

Hey liberals question for you ... What was the Civil War about? Slavery? State Rights? And the follow up question ... Did the Civil War end slavery? (hint on the last one Read Amendment XIII (13))

Jason, the States have the power, but are they beholden to the Federal?

Not really, but when the Federal Gov't offers money to the States (like Education money), all of a sudden, the Fed is in the State.

You want Fed money, follow the Fed rules.

When a State can turn down Fed money and stay in the black, the State runs itself.

Too many States NEED Fed money to pay for their WANT.

Give me a break.

Last week, McMaster said he was leading several other attorneys general in an inquiry into the constitutionality of the estimated $100 million deal he has dubbed the "Cornhusker Kickback."

Where was this assclown when Alaska got $240 million for a bridge to nowhere?

McMaster says if the bill goes through to final approval with the benefit to Nebraska, taxpayers in the other 49 states will have to pay for it.

Omigod and when the Army Corps of Engineers fails to build levees to protect New Orleans and the whole place floods, the other 49 states have to pay for it. Cry me a river. < little joke there for ya!

Hey liberals question for you ... What was the Civil War about? Slavery? State Rights?

Slavery and State's Rights were manifestations of the underlying tension, but not the cause. The Civil War was about America's transition from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy.

Industrial work was incompatible with slave labor. Despite the lack of freedom, slaves essentially enjoyed "free" health care and room and board. And slaves were quite expensive too. Industrialists discovered it was much cheaper to simply pay their workers a pittance and replace them when they got sick or died. The influx of slaves had been replaced with an influx of eager-to-work immigrants. The paradigm of labor relations evolved to accommodate these new conditions.

The transition was not a smooth one.

I hope this helps answer your question.

We, indeed, are living in exciting times---I get this small feeling that the spirit of the founding fathers may well infect some (some will never get it---similar to those supporting England during the revolutionary war) of the populace of this country that may eventually move us back to the ideals it was founded on.

The Founding Fathers would realize we spend twice the percentage of GDP on health care as the rest of the modern world and usher in single payer.

But then they weren't anti-government rejectionists masquerading as "small-government conservatives" as is the trend today. They were liberals. Revolutionaries, even.

snoofy is on a roll. Go snoofy.

Hoax and Chains

"But then they weren't anti-government rejectionists masquerading as "small-government conservatives" as is the trend today."

Try reading some history you didn't get from the huff and blow.

I'm sorry. If you actually know anything about Constitutional Law, this bill is completely Constitutional. For an attorney, let alone an attorney general, to actually and seriously argue otherwise suggests their license and knowledge should be called into question. You would fail any bar exam in the country by making that argument. Sorry. It's Constitutional Law 101. And that's no hyperbole.

why should we in maryland have to pay for neb.share of medicad?we have a enough problems paying our share.

Good old corporate media, stirring the pot, cheerleeading the fight, explanations of what the cornhusker kickback actually is are few and far between, if there at all. (in this article, there were, of course, no explanations)
Nobody I know has a clue as to exactly WHAT the health care debate is actually about, just that it's a partisan puppet show and that somehow, we're all gonna lose because of it.

Where was this assclown when Alaska got $240 million for a bridge to nowhere?

Snoofy--

You mean the bridge that Obama and Biden voted for??

#14 | Posted by snoofy

The founding fathers were totally on the conservative side of the spectrum and wanted small government.

You can call them revolutionaries--sure! But they were not liberals in any sense of the word--even by 1960 standards.

Despite the lack of freedom, slaves essentially enjoyed "free" health care and room and board. --snoofy..

I hope you don't believe that being a slave had the perks because they were enslaved with a hut and fish guts.

Free HC!? Really--?? Yeah--I guess when you don't get any care and die--they don't send a bill to the family in the hut.

The repubes don't really care for that democracy thing.

Damn straight, a representative republic over mob rule!

Couldn't agree more.

Interesting take on the bill's constitutionality (with hilarious headline):

seminal.firedoglake.com

'I'm sorry. If you actually know anything about Constitutional Law, this bill is completely Constitutional. For an attorney, let alone an attorney general, to actually and seriously argue otherwise suggests their license and knowledge should be called into question. You would fail any bar exam in the country by making that argument. Sorry. It's Constitutional Law 101. And that's no hyperbole."

well if buying votes and passing a bill the american people don't want is "legal" then I guess the laws need to change...

Hoax and Chains from the Lyin' Hawaiin

the Messiah's escape clause ....

"I tried to give you 'free' health care but 'da man messed it up!"

he other 49 states have to pay for it. Cry me a river. < little joke there for ya!

how many states got a free ride due to some backdoor deal?

"Ye that are not drunk with fanaticism answer me?
Are these words dictated by peace, or base foul revenge, the constant attendant on cowards and sycophants? Does our author so perfectly versed in scripture, mean to conduct us to peace or desolation? or is he fit to legislate for men or devils?"

From Chalmers "Plain Truth" a loyalist rebuttal to "Common Sense"... sounds like our progressive friends speaking of conservatives, does it not?

I hope you don't believe that being a slave had the perks because they were enslaved with a hut and fish guts.
They got the "perks" because, unlike workers in the (industrial) "free market" system, slaves were not fungible commodities but instead represented significant investment on the part of their owners. And people protect their investments.

Sheesh, this is so simple guys. I continue to marvel at how wrong-headedly some of you right-wingers perceive the basic economic concepts you claim to champion.

From Chalmers "Plain Truth" a loyalist rebuttal to "Common Sense"... sounds like our progressive friends speaking of conservatives, does it not?
It sounds like clap-trap. Read "The Age of Reason" and tell me how many conservatives today reject the church. Even our so-called "liberals" like Obama don't dare do that. Which should be your first clue that... he's not actually a liberal (and neither was Bill Clinton). Liberalism is barely represented in the American political spectrum these days, our two choices are center-right and far-right.

Example: Insuring the entire nation's health at lower cost via universal coverage and single payer isn't a liberal notion. It's common fucking sense based on simple economics. You remember economics? The thing conservatives are supposed to be good at?

Increasingly I think right-wingers are anarchists who want no government. Go throw some bricks through the windows of the library you ingrates.

#32-but...but...but...the insurance companies will go out of business!!! I LOVE insurance companies!

Oh and elliot spitzer wasn't partisan?

The repubes don't really care for that democracy thing.

#24 | Posted by igmoramus
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Oh you mean like Harry Reid writing this partisan bill in secret meetings with no republicans invited to participate in the discussions. You mean that part of the democracy?

Lonnie

hey guys.. the final bill may contain a public option that is so reviled.. remember it passed the house and the senate only needs a simple majority.. Some of the fat will be trimmed and these votes that wanted fat will be lost, but 51 vote simple majority in the senate is a giant fuck you to those assholes padding their state coffers.

snoofy i sure hope you don't believe obama is center right, that would be wishful thinking. clinton proved to be a good presidet most repub's don't agree but obama surley won't be.

surely haha

Obama has come out on the left of the spectrum too many times to ever be considered centrist.

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