Senate's

that's like uh.... 12 step group right?

Yeah! We all get to pay for others' elective abortions.

Sad, but inevitable.

Bishops know nothing. Hospitals do.

Hospitals know money. Bishops know history.

Bishops know history.

I've got only one good use for a bishop, and that's sacrificing him on h7.

that's like uh.... 12 step group right?

Yeah, they're the only chapter of debtors anonymous that blows other people's money on useless shit.

And yet bishops still know history.

And yet bishops still know history.

How so?

I'm sure more than a few of them look back quite fondly on the days of unchecked kiddie diddling, geocentrism, and the auto de fe.

#8 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Someone give this man a cigar....
As well they know about burning Heretics at the stake-drowning accused witches-all kinds of good shit they're not allowed to do anymore.
I see the Bishops as having the same relevance as the church itself-little to none.

Someone give this man a cigar....

Really a sad day when I'm forced to pay for someone else to have a living baby ripped out of their womb.

sad, sad times we live in...

#11,
Really a sad day when I am forced to pay for someone to drop bombs on innocent children, and old men and women, even sadder to pay someone else to invade the wrong country.

the Catholic Church knows that providing healthcare to tens of millions of currently uninsured Americans is a blessed pursuit. If tragically unavoidable compromises need to be made along the way, so be it. Not as if these abortions wouldn't be happening anyway. I'm not saying that the church should be happy about this, but sometimes to achieve a much greater good, an inevitable evil must be accepted (at least for the time being). I think this is both a mature and intelligent decision.

We all get to pay for others' elective abortions. -- #2 | Posted by happyending

If money's the issue, you're coming out ahead -- elective abortions are a lot less expensive than elective pre-natal, elective childbirth, etc.

Then they're really not Catholics are they?

just wise ones:>)

How can one be wise without virtue?

Hospitals know money. Bishops know history.

#4 | Posted by happyending at 2009-12-26 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag
Hospitals know money Bishops know little boys.

Having an abortion can be virtuous!

Then they're really not Catholics are they? -- #15 | Posted by zulu

I was raised Catholic, but have many disagreements with the Church, and so have thought about the "Who is a Catholic" question a lot.

I keep coming back to "Am I less Catholic than the priests who molested children?"

"Am I less Catholic than the priests who molested children?"

tough call?

...tough call? -- #21 | Posted by Bani

Well, there's that papal authority thing.

Then again, a whole 'nother set of Catholic clergy becomes non-Catholic if you exclude anyone who doesn't accept papal authority.

Really a sad day when I am forced to pay for someone "to drop bombs on innocent children, and old men and women, even sadder to pay someone else to invade the wrong country."

YEP! perfect nut job lib argument and what I expected... Of course 2 wrongs make a right! I believe we were talking about killing babies in the womb, what does your comment have to do with that?

...what does your comment have to do with that? -- #23 | Posted by cmon

We don't get to pick and choose what our tax money pays for. Like it or not, abortion is as legal as war, capital punishment, the bailouts, and a lot of other things that many of us wish we weren't paying for.

the "Who is a Catholic" question

Hypocrites in funny clothes and sanctimonious assholes with political agendas do not have the authority to tell you what you are or are not.

"Hypocrites in funny clothes and sanctimonious assholes with political agendas do not have the authority to tell you what you are or are not."

If you would like to call yourself an "abortion loving Christian" that is totally up to you!
and I have no agenda...

If you would like to call yourself an "abortion loving Christian" that is totally up to you!

Yes, believe it or not there are pro-choice Christians and pro-life atheists. The world is not the black-and-white cartoon certain fools make it out to be.

"We don't get to pick and choose what our tax money pays for. Like it or not, abortion is as legal as war, capital punishment, the bailouts, and a lot of other things that many of us wish we weren't paying for."

WRONG!

"Passed by Congress in 1976, the Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid."

I realize you do not care if this law changes because in some weird twisted way you would like the government to pay for abortions just like they pay for wars. its the "two wrongs must equal a right" argument I guess... anytime obama does something stupid its "yeah but look what Bush did"... total joke and your children will pay the cost. wait till little Johnie graduates college and then the govt take 80% of his paycheck... but I'm sure you have the lib "me me me" mentality so no use trying to reason with you....

"Yes, believe it or not there are pro-choice Christians and pro-life atheists. The world is not the black-and-white cartoon certain fools make it out to be."

back to my original argument...

in my humble opinion YOU CANNOT BE PRO-CHOICE (ie. you support killing babies in the womb) AND CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN!!!!

but I guess if you change the meaning of "christian" well all bets off then. Ever take the time to read what Mother Teresa had to say about abortion???

oh well whatever... no arguing with you all anyway...

Funny how people like Cmon fail to see their own supreme arrogance when feeling entitled to define what it is to be a Christian, and then condemning those who do not share that outlook. Ironic really. How very UNchristian of him.

well, as I said earlier I don't really call myself a Christian!!! I try to lead a good life, but don't subscribe to any religion.

However, my understanding was that if you were a "Christian" that you followed the teachings of the Bible? I did not define what it means to be Christian, I thought the Bible did?

oh well... guess I'm wrong as usual...
I think I'll call myself a Buddhist today, since apparently you don't really have to follow the rules of the religion to be a part of it..

I am Buddhist (today)!

Actually, you're fairly offensive.

in my humble opinion YOU CANNOT BE PRO-CHOICE (ie. you support killing babies in the womb) AND CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN!!!!

Why? Because some pontificating bastard who calls himself a "Reverend" says so? The Christian opposition to abortion is something of a social construct. The leaders who do the religious right's thinking for them pick a political cause and a few lines of scripture to back it. You can use scripture to justify almost anything, so what they pick is quite telling.

There is a far greater scriptural basis for socialism and pacifism than there is for the anti-aboriton movement, but you don't see that fucker on the 700 club touting the virtues of those things. Why? The religious right is dictating the agenda of the majority of American christians.

They are political hacks first, and Christians second. Abortion is just another manufactured wedge issue that they exploit... like gay marriage and evolution. It keeps the religious demagogues relevant and it supplies the republicans with a large, easily manipulated voter base.

"Why? Because some pontificating bastard who calls himself a "Reverend" says so?"

No, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would not support ripping a living baby out of the womb.

" Abortion is just another manufactured wedge issue that they exploit"

No, Abortion is ripping a living baby out of the womb. The baby fights for its life while a so called doctor kills it. ever seen an ultrasound???

"but you don't see that fucker on the 700 club touting the virtues of those things. "

I don't watch the 700 club dumbass, I am not religious!

all I am saying is that if you want to change the meaning of what a Christian is to fit your specific needs then you are a hypocrite. same with any other religion... guess I am "offensive" for speaking my mind on the subject huh? I really should learn to be more "politically correct"...

27% of women who get abortions are Catholic....but are more likely to get an abortion than Protestants....22 in 1000

43% of women who get abortions are Protestant, 18 in 1000

I guess that means that 30% are other faiths or none.....

wrong link, sorry, not sure why it didn't come out right the first time....??

Really a sad day when I'm forced to pay for someone else to have a living baby ripped out of their womb.
sad, sad times we live in...
#11 | Posted by cmon

Really a sad day when I am forced to pay for someone to drop bombs on innocent children, and old men and women, even sadder to pay someone else to invade the wrong country.
#12 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

ripping a living baby out of the womb

Hmm, most abortions (as in about 99%) are 1st trimester. Not much of a nervous system, and it's not viable. Try again.

if you want to change the meaning of what a Christian is to fit your specific needs then you are a hypocrite

No, you are doing what religious people have done throughout history. Religions and their interpretations are constantly evolving. You're just too dense to appreciate that fact.

Hmm, most abortions (as in about 99%) are 1st trimester. Not much of a nervous system, and it's not viable. Try again.

if you want to change the meaning of what a Christian is to fit your specific needs then you are a hypocrite

No, you are doing what religious people have done throughout history. Religions and their interpretations are constantly evolving. You're just too dense to appreciate that fact.

#38 | Posted by ZombieHunter

There's one guarantee we have on this planet and that's that man will always screw things up.

Sure, if you buy into Christianity's ridiculously pessimistic view of the human condition and its obnoxious approach to "improving" it.

There are only two things guaranteed in life: death and taxes....

Shit, that's three.

God is constant.

God is something you assume to exist on the basis of a bunch of ad hoc statements in an old book... written by people. It is something you presume to be constant because that is what you have been told to believe... by people.

If humans are so flawed and unreliable, then you would probably want nothing to do with religion - fundamentally an invention of humans.

Kanrei, that was funny!

G-d is a constant. It is constant that G-d differs from person to person. There are actually 9 billion gods worshiped on Earth: one per person.

wow, guess many of you feel that God is just fine with the act of abortion, but let me guess... He is against capital punishment "In Principle" at least...

How you got to the point were you think that a baby growing in the womb, no matter how early on, is just a mass of cells is beyond me... guess it's easier to justify the killing if its "just cells"... that's why abortion clinic workers are told to never say the word "baby"...

by the way dipshit, how long are the cells allowed to grow before you can no longer kill them???

"Have you ever seen an ultrasound at 10 weeks? Pretty tadpole-like sure, but you can see the brain, spine, and the little fella' dancing in the womb. Undeveloped, but there's stuff going on. Just because it's proposed they can't feel pain doesn't hold much muster in a debate as to whether it is alive. "

yep! and checkout the new ultrasounds, so much detail... but guessing the "pro-choice" people really don't want to see those images....

I'm done here, no sense trying to change peoples minds... aint gonna happen and no way you will ever change my mind....

Happy New Year!!!!

"Then they're really not Catholics are they?"

They don't have the right to self-identify because they fail to live up to your prejudices?

LOL.

God is constant.

So is zero

If humans are so flawed and unreliable, then you would probably want nothing to do with religion - fundamentally an invention of humans.

#42 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I hold in contempt the infallibility of all the answers man gives us today as though they are the only sensible reality. How barbaric are the truths you rely on going to seem to those looking back on this time 100 years from now? Science is wonderful... offers a whole bunch of wonderful things - including answers. Likewise, my faith does as well, but goes beyond this little microcosm of self. I don't believe in God because I need to fill the gaps to questions I have.... those that do aren't practicing faith (rather seek God in concrete statues, shrouds, or cups).

The politics of religion does nothing for me. As you say, they are the construction of man. Whether or not the Bible is a collection of writings by man or something else, its great message is bigger than us. This, I believe, is divine. It intrigues me that the sensible could be so closed to abstract possibilities, but there's nothing I can do about that.

Ya know, some of the most cutting edge points scientists make require a great deal of faith... even those backed by mathematics.

God is constant.

So is zero

#48 | Posted by goatman

Zero is also an abstract concept. Where do you suppose that puts "null" and why then do we need it if we already have a "zero"?

"...increasingly confident" a compromise "can achieve the objective of no federal funding for abortion."

Maybe Rcade can explain how that position is a "split" from the position of Catholic bishops, which has been no funding for abortion by tax dollars all along. I marvel at the eagerness some have to believe the Church is splitting all the time.

Sure, if you buy into Christianity's ridiculously pessimistic view of the human condition and its obnoxious approach to "improving" it.

#40 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Pessimistic, really? I guess it depends on your perspective. I think some might consider the lack of afterlife a darker concept (even as unrealistic as you may believe it to be). Oh, I see, you're talking about the threaten-ers of fire and brimstone types bringing ya down. Well, they overstepped their bounds there as it's not anyone's place to "condemn others to hell"... again, man screwing things up.
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