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Monday, December 21, 2009

Chris Cillizza: With all 60 Senate Democrats (finally) lined up behind the health-care bill, the legislation looks likely to be approved by the world's greatest deliberative body by Christmas Eve. A look back on the fight that was -- and what a fight it was! -- to see who won and who lost.

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Losers

-- Harry Reid: Yes, the majority leader got the bill through -- a major victory for Democrats at the national level. But, back home in Nevada, the legislation remains a mixed bag (at best) politically and Reid now owns it. Reid has to hope public perception of the bill shifts in a positive direction in the coming months, as his numbers in the state are dismal and he has little margin for error.

-- Joe Lieberman: Lieberman's high-profile opposition to the Medicare buy-in effectively killed the public option. Lieberman allies insist that the Connecticut independent was protecting moderate Democrats such as Lincoln by putting himself on the firing line, but the practical political effect of his maneuvering has been to further anger and energize the party's liberal base against him. Beating Lieberman in 2012 -- if he chooses to run -- will be a cause clbre among the liberal left.

-- Cap and trade: No matter what Obama and his advisers said last week in Copenhagen, there is now no chance that the administration's climate-change proposal will come up for a vote in the Senate prior to the 2010 election. Politicians never like casting controversial votes, but they like doing so even less in an election year.

-- Liberals: Progressives both in and outside the Senate watched as their dream bill slowly but surely lost the elements -- including the public option -- they longed for. Compromise is the name of the game when it comes to passing legislation as complex and sweeping as health-care reform, but that's not likely to be much consolation for a Democratic base already aggrieved about Obama's decision to send more troops to Afghanistan.

The big barometer

A new voter analysis of every midterm election from 1978 through 2006 suggests that the single most important number in determining how many House seats will be won or lost by the party in power is the president's job-approval score in the months leading up to the election.

The analysis, done by the Democratic polling firm of Bennett, Petts & Normington and obtained by the Fix, concludes that "large losses of more than 20 seats have only occurred when the president's approval rating has fallen significantly below 50 percent."

The four elections in which significant seat shifts happened -- 1978 (Democrats lost 15), 1982 (Republicans lost 26), 1994 (Democrats lost 54) and 2006 (Republicans lost 30) -- all corresponded with weak presidential job-approval numbers in the two months before voters cast ballots.

By contrast, in the four midterms in which the president carried an approval rating above 50 percent, his party either gained seats (in 1998 and 2002) or suffered minimal defeats -- a five-seat GOP setback for Ronald Reagan in 1986 and an eight-seat loss for George H.W. Bush in 1990.

Given the conclusiveness of that data, both parties are right to keep a close eye on Obama's standing with the American people over the next 10 months. In the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll, 50 percent of the public approved of the job Obama was doing, data consistent with other surveys gauging perception of the president's job performance.

If that number goes up by five percentage points between now and Election Day 2010, history suggests Democrats will be looking at small-scale losses in the House. If it goes down by five points, the party's 40-seat majority could well be cut by half (or more).

Additional Losers

Cookfish, whose starring role in the new TV reality show, "Transgendered and Pregnant", was cancelled due to waste and fraud cuts.

Guanoman. who was negatively affected by Nelson's abortion language, which somehow made his previously parentally-requested but under-performed procedure retroactive.

FF Corky. Cookfish really is quite an ass.

BTW Corky, in the spirit of Christmas, I apologize for all of the politically-charged insults I threw at you in the run-up to the democratic nomination in '08. I never thought that politics could make me so nasty.

Happy Holidays.

Cookfish, whose starring role in the new TV reality show, "Transgendered and Pregnant", was cancelled due to waste and fraud cuts.

As a proud member of the transgendered community, Skip_Wellington is probably wondering why you would use transgendered and pregnant as an insult.

Additional Losers

Corky, whose "robust public option" turned into "Why do I have to grab my ankles again, Uncle Harry?"

Poor Nessie is still smarting from the last time I smacked him around like a hockey puck, I guess.

Losers= Ted Offensive.

The free lunch crowd imagines they are the winners. Only in Wonderland.

Robust Public Option (must have it!) - scratch

to

Public Option with State opt-out (still acceptable!)- scratch

to

Public Option with a trigger (Well, if we have to..)- scratch

to

Extend Medicare to age 55 (If it's all we can get..) - scratch

to

Health Insurance Bill that's put insurance company stocks at 52 week highs (Hey, wait a min...)- accepted

"We win!"

--Corky

LOL.

Those that couldn't get coverage before due to pre-existing conditions can now get covered. That is a big win Cookmoron.

The folks from Auschwitz thank you for returning their sign, JA. You had to know it wouldn't fit in that ratty studio apartment.

You had to know it wouldn't fit in that ratty studio apartment.

#12 | Posted by cookfish

Upgraded Ted Offensive I am in a 1 bedroom now.

Those that couldn't get coverage before due to pre-existing conditions can now get covered.

Yeah, three years from now. By then, you'll have gone postal and taken out your former supervisor and co-workers, thus qualifying you for prison bennies.

Btw my coworkers are liberals. They wouldn't be the people I would ever go postal on.

Cook I hope you get sick and don't have coverage.

A 'Progressive' Xmas Greeting. LOL.

Btw my coworkers are liberals.

So, I guess they'll feel your pain as you empty your magazine into their skulls.

Winners: Hospitals, Insurance, Docotors and Drug Companies.

Losers: Patients

What else is new

The only caveat is minor structural changes which give hope for a better future. These are unlikely to materialize until after Obama's increasingly unlikely second term.

There won't be a 2012 election.
Marshal law by then.

After a brief preview of the circumstances surrounding the last bouts of pure socialism to visit this country, medicare, the arguments still seem the same.

And medicare is in fact consuming a large part of our national budget, which is paid for by going increasing more and more in debt.

And on friday, my company just annouced that they would relinquish their new jersey headquarters and move to switzerland to avoid the excessive costs of owning a business in America. The company is over 150 yrs old. But I'm sure it's all just a coincidence.

Happy Holidays.

#4 | Posted by ness_gadol

Back at you, Nessy. We were all a litle over the top, me included.

I'm not sure Cookfish looks so good in mourning black. He should get used to it though, it's gonna be a long 8 years for him, what with the baby and all.

Maybe he'll qualify for lithium under this plan?

little over

www.youtube.com

And my healthcare.

Dear Corky,

Thanks again, and have a Merry Christmas.

Love,

Your Buddies at Aetna

P.S. Hope the bruised knees heal in a timely fashion.

roflmao!

Poor Cookie was SO sure that this Bill would never pass, and now he has to write his Congressman to be sure that his transgendered pregnancy is covered.

Those that couldn't get coverage before due to pre-existing conditions can now get covered. That is a big win Cookmoron.

#11 | Posted by jackass

My house is on fire, where can I buy some fire insurance?

Damn, I wrecked my car into a tree, can I buy collision insurance to cover it?

What is to stop me from buying health insurance AFTER I get sick?

"And on friday, my company just annouced that they would relinquish their new jersey headquarters and move to switzerland to avoid the excessive costs of owning a business in America."

What costs are you talking about??? Corporate income tax???

Take away their visas or passports on their way out of the country, we don't need the cheap bastards coming back here.

It still hasn't passed, you dumbass. And why are you gloating over legislation that had NOTHING that you shilled for, and in fact had it ripped out by your fellow morons, slappy? Do you even know who or what you shill for on a day-to-day basis, or does Moveon.org said you a daily PissOgram? LOL.

Take away their visas or passports on their way out of the country, we don't need the cheap bastards coming back here.

#29 | Posted by danni

That's right!!! If them SOB's arn't happy working to support some lazy piece of shit that doesn't want to work, throw them out. We don't need them here in the Socalist Republic of North America.

Each acording to his desire to work and each acording to his need to leach off of another.

Take away their visas or passports on their way out of the country, we don't need the cheap bastards coming back here.

#29 | Posted by danni

Yes, those bastard currently have a workforce of 30,000 highly specialized and well-paid folks worldwide. Who fuckin' needs 'em?

In my personal case, it's means very little outside the philosophical. The company likes me and intends to continue my employment. The only difference from my perspective is that i will soon be working for a Swiss company. In a further insult to your percieved nationalistic reality, our current 2 large clients are in south america and asia.

Let's see how glib you are when the brain drain (that has been coming to america for 50 years) starts going back eastward and this country festers in a heap of socialism, like the mighty ussr did.

Socialism does not work!

"What is to stop me from buying health insurance AFTER I get sick?"

That's exactly what I'd do...buy it right before I needed to go in and get the procedure I needed...and cancel it right after.

buy it right before I needed to go in and get the procedure I needed...and cancel it right after.

#33 | Posted by madbomber

Is this a great country or what? I wonder what the libs are going to do for ME next?

Socialism does not work!

#32 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-12-21 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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"What is to stop me from buying health insurance AFTER I get sick?"

That's exactly what I'd do...buy it right before I needed to go in and get the procedure I needed...and cancel it right after.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at

shakes head in disgust

who has the highest corporate tax rate in the world?

Those that couldn't get coverage before due to pre-existing conditions can now get covered. That is a big win Cookmoron.
#11 | Posted by jackass

Can't wait to see the cost of those plans. There are price controls in this legislation, right?

If you have a pre-existing condition you are looking for subsidy, not insurance, generally speaking.

That's the argument for universal not-for-profit single payer, strangely enough.

*shrugs

If you think this bill is going to remain as is, you've forgotten who's running this Country. -N Pelosi.

Can't wait to see the cost of those plans. There are price controls in this legislation, right?

exactly. the dems and ins companies shook hands and agreed that they would no longer deny coverage for pre-existing conditions but that they could charge what they want(or damn close) for those applicants.

most uninsured posters here admit that they can get coverage but that they can't afford it. most uninsured are in the same boat.

this legislation does nothing except make it easier for an insurance company to increase the premiums.

what will become of the 24,000,000 that still will be uninsured and the illegals? bet somewhere tucked in this 400 page scam they will be covered.

"What is to stop me from buying health insurance AFTER I get sick?"

Well, that might depend on what one considers to be "sick". I mean, we're all slowly dieing... that in itself is a sort of "sickness", right?

That's exactly what I'd do...buy it right before I needed to go in and get the procedure I needed...and cancel it right after.

#33 | Posted by madbomber


Hmmmm... that doesn't sound like "insurance" anymore does it?. I thought one insured against a risk. If your car already had a door smashed in because you slid into a tree after a night at the bar, should the insurance company pay to fix it once after you sign up? Or, what if I call up an insurance company and sign up for a policy after I get pulled over for speeding and have a cop knocking on my window asking for proof of insurance?

and the illegals? bet somewhere tucked in this 400 page scam they will be covered.

#40 | Posted by semtex111

The next big dem push will be to make them all legal. Problem solved.

The real losers are the American people. They should be at the top of the list.

....on friday, my company just annouced that they would relinquish their new jersey headquarters and move to switzerland to avoid the excessive costs of owning a business in America.....

My hospital does not have the ability to relocate. They are community owned. They have instead put together a contingency plan that includes the following:

Option 1) drop health insurance to all 3500 employees.
Option 2) across the board 10% salary cuts to offset ANY additional expenses (and that includes any reduction in reimbursement rates).
Option 3) At such point that the hospital becomes a financial drain on the taxpayers, shut the hospital all together.

Everyone is pretty sad about the whole thing. But, with Obamanomics in full swing, and Congess being what they are, the consensus in my community is that we simply can not afford a huge property tax (estimate is 17%) to offset the cost of maintaining a public hospital. Especially with Cap and Trade still to come. Everyone around here will just have to drive 100 miles if they have a heart attack. And what's interesting is that a lot of people around here voted for Obama. But they sure don't like what he's been doing since innauguration day.

The Winners are obvious: The millions of Americans currently denied insurance who now will be able to get it. In a grander sense, I think this is a win for America as a nation. Politically, the winners are self evident. As for the losers? Just look to see who is writing the whiny bitchy insult-filled posts.

"The Winners are obvious: The millions of Americans currently denied insurance who now will be able to get it."

First thing I want to know is if its affordable, i.e. comparable to what most people pay.

The real losers are the libs here and abroad who have sold out including the President. The real winners will be the repubs in 2010 and 2012. Can't wait for the costs and benefits to be proven as a ponzi scheme and all the bribes exposed to pass this.

"most uninsured posters here admit that they can get coverage but that they can't afford it. most uninsured are in the same boat."

The left leaning Kaiser foundation found that the number of uninsured americans that don't qualify for government plans and probably couldn't afford private plans (making less than $50k per year) was between 8-14 million.

What that doesn't take into account is whether or not these folks would purchase healthcare even if they did have the money. I would contend that, if given a blank check for the amount it would take to purcahse a commerical plan, many would choose to spend the money in some other way. In other words, they really don't want healthcare-not if it means giving something else up.

One of the problems with getting people to buy healthcare is it's a non-value added service. The only time you see any return on your investment is when you have gotten sick, and then you can only be brought back to where you were to start with.

Can't wait for the costs and benefits to be proven as a ponzi scheme and all the bribes exposed to pass this.

#47 | Posted by crispee_oc

And the DR waterheads like Moder8 et al. think we're pissed. I'm dancing a jig! Christmas a week early!

"I'm dancing a jig!" Wussy cries, trying to put a brave face on his disappointment. "Christmas a week early!" But the sad clown tears streaking his cheeks tell a different story.

HC: You raise a good point. Will the insurance be affordable? Will there be provision made for low income / unemployed people who may have trouble affording it. For example, my 20 year old son has a congenital vascular problem which will plague him for life. He has been hospitalized repeatedly over the past six months. He is currently only covered by my insurance until age 23. Will the available insurance also be affordable come three years from now? It is a big concern.
I suspect that in years to come the gaps in the new healthcare system will be filled. I trust people such as my son will have provision made for them.
But, even with the imperfections, given the stone-walling and uber partisanship of the GOPhers, this is a HUGE first step.

I wish there'd been a lot more in this bill, Moder8. But I can live with this easier than continue down the present course. Hopefully, changes can be made, the system expanded, the insurance companies dealt with. I certainly don't trust the Democrats to go after the companies hammer-and-tong but there's a much better chance of some serious regulation and modernizing with them at the switch than the Republicans, who've made it clear they didn't want to do a goddamned thing.

Those that couldn't get coverage before due to pre-existing conditions can now get covered. That is a big win Cookmoron.

#11 | Posted by jackass


And I'm sure that is all this bill does... insure those unfortunate soles who couldn't be insured before. Tell me again, how many pages does it take to do that?

This thing's a big cluster-fucked piece with enough naivety surrounding it to barely pass via hefty payoffs. Meanwhile, we've gotta' listen to this nonsense about helping people? The only people who believe that are the ones who need to believe it. Do we need a bill to make us feel better or what? Give me a freakin' moral break. This has little to do with actually helping people - surely there's enough people here to already know without someone stating it - so I apologize.

But the sad clown tears streaking his cheeks tell a different story.

#50 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Let me know when Obama is ready to put the pen to the paper, P.E.

He is currently only covered by my insurance until age 23. Will the available insurance also be affordable come three years from now? It is a big concern.

before he is ineligible for your plan, he needs to obtain full time employment somewhere (if he is done with college or whatever post high school education he is getting). If he is currently covered and applies under another plan (group) he can get on it with no questions asked....no pre-existing condition exclusion applies.

"And the DR waterheads like Moder8 et al. think we're pissed. I'm dancing a jig! Christmas a week early!'

Can't wait for it to be signed as well. Hopefully the repubs will take a hint from the dems, and the do nothing tactic which got them the majorities. They can lie and promise and then sell out when it is crunch time.

Cap and trade: No matter what Obama and his advisers said last week in Copenhagen, there is now no chance that the administration's climate-change proposal will come up for a vote in the Senate prior to the 2010 election. Politicians never like casting controversial votes, but they like doing so even less in an election year.

Barack Obama, no hope and change.
No experience, qualifications, or wide range.
Did fly on a carbon emitting air craft to Copenhagen, he did.
The libtards hopes again to do their bid.

Seeking out the Chinese when he arrived.
They in turn, avoiding him, seeking to hide.
When all was said and done in that abnormal cold environment.
Nothing much of substance was the accomplishment.

Libtards who certainly believe in free speech took to the street.
Before torched cars and widespread damage; their heads were beat.
No binding resolution of carbon emission and monitoring.
Free people everywhere in relief their bells they did ring.

Barack Obama, NO hope and change.
No experience, qualifications, or wide range.
With his tail between his legs and no longer wide grin.
Flew back to the blizzard and cold environment of Washington.

Global warming, climate change, Kyoto; all words of the past.
What activist agenda next raised on the libtards mast.
Unfortunately, like rats to some other irrational cause they'll scurry.
Put the rest of us at risk before the insanity we may bury.

Sung, falsetto, to "Blame It On The Bossa Nova."

I just hope he keeps his day job... if he has one.

Obama in applauding the bill said that it would control health care costs.

Can someone summerize what is in the bill that will hold down costs?

Obama in applauding the bill said that it would control health care costs.

Can someone summerize what is in the bill that will hold down costs?

#60 | Posted by FreddyK


...and crickets chirp.

Those that couldn't get coverage before due to pre-existing conditions can now get covered. That is a big win Cookmoron.

#11 | Posted by jackass at 2009

and you and I will be paying for it with higher premiums and the deficit will be higher..no matter what the liar president says

and by the way..the CBO has come out late yesterday saying that they underestimated by HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS.
bet you wont see that on katie tonight though...

lying piece of shit fuckface president also said that a loser was 'special interest'

bullshit you prick.

special interest

LANDREU
nelson
pharma corp
liberal dems

LOSERS

just this morning in an 'exclusive interview'.

my dr says that if passed in current form on medicare that beginning new years..he will accept no new medicare patients and current ones will be scaled back

ALSO when current supply of pharmaceutical cards for discounst and free samples are out...they will not be replaced...

welcome to obamas amerika DUPES...

Wait till that pile of shit in the White House gives the beaners amnesty, and start moving their families to the U.S., free homes, obamacare, foodstamps, a parasites delight. the existing 38 million illegals will swell to 100 million, then we will see how Americans like paying the way for parasites, then we will start to hear about how they forgot to add the doctor's fees, this obamanation will break America. I hold the piece of shit in the White House responsible along with his 2 turds pelosi and reid.

"welcome to obamas amerika DUPES..."

It could have been far worse. Just imagine what life would have been like had Obama gotten his Canadian style single payer. Losing control of your own healthcare would have been bad enough, but in our efforts to copy the Canadian model, we would have seen the supply of doctors dwindle as older ones retired with no new ones to replace the. Infrastructure, while sound at first, would have gradually diminished as well as "surplus" materiel broke down. The wait time for something as simple as an MRI would have gone from noting to two weeks. Wait times for more critical procedures, up to a year. of course the worst part about it, the thing that Canada and France and the UK never had to deal with, is there's really no where else to go if you have money to pay. All of them just come to the US. What happens when US healthcare is no long available? When it's just as crappy as what they would get at home. Mexico maybe? I don't know.

#44 | Posted by moder8

The Winners are obvious: The millions of Americans currently denied insurance who now will be able to get it. In a grander sense, I think this is a win for America as a nation. Politically, the winners are self evident. As for the losers? Just look to see who is writing the whiny bitchy insult-filled posts.
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Having insurance does not mean you will see a doctor, it just mean you get in line.

The number of doctors is not going up, just the number of patients.

#46 | Posted by crispee_oc

The real losers are the libs here and abroad who have sold out including the President. The real winners will be the repubs in 2010 and 2012. Can't wait for the costs and benefits to be proven as a ponzi scheme and all the bribes exposed to pass this.
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Here is just some of the birbes:

Start with the special tax carve-outs included in the "manager's amendment" that Harry Reid dropped Saturday morning. White House budget director Peter Orszag has claimed that the bill's 40% excise tax on high-cost insurance plans is key to reducing health costs. Yet the Senate Majority Leader's new version specifically exempts "individuals whose primary work is longshore work." That would be the longshoremen's union, which has negotiated very costly insurance benefits. The well-connected dock workers join other union interests such as miners, electrical linemen, EMTs, construction workers, some farmers, fishermen, foresters, early retirees and others who are absolved from this tax.

In other words, controlling insurance costs is enormously important, unless your very costly insurance is provided by an important Democratic constituency.

The Reid bill also gives a pass on the excise tax to the 17 states with the highest health costs. This provision applied to only 10 states in a prior version, but other Senators made a fuss. So controlling health costs is enormously important, except in the places where health costs need the most control.

Or take a separate $6.7 billion annual "fee" on insurance companies that is supposed to be divvied up by market share. This beaut doesn't claim to be anything more than a revenue grab, but at the behest of Michigan Senator Carl Levin Democrats chose to apply it to some insurers and not others. Select companies incorporated as nonprofits will be exempt, even though nonprofits typically have net income exceeding for-profit companies because they pay no taxes.

Since this new tax will merely be passed through as higher premiums, the carve-outs mean that cost increases will be even higher for workers whose employer contracts with a nonfavored insurer. These gyrations to tax law are so complex that it still isn't clear which nonprofits would qualify, but the protections are sure to apply to certain insurers in Michigan, Illinois and California. The poor saps stuck with higher premiums everywhere else can thank Mr. Levin and Senators Debbie Stabenow, Dick Durbin, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.

I wish there'd been a lot more in this bill, Moder8. But I can live with this easier than continue down the present course.

#51 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Since you pay no federal income tax you might as well shoot for the moon with my money.

Looks like we can add ACORN to the winners list too. www.cnsnews.com

Rob, that is an old story but I'll bet that is in the new bill they are trying to pass.

Rob, that is an old story but I'll bet that is in the new bill they are trying to pass.

#70 | Posted by Sniper


Nuts! You're right about the outdated article. Here's one dated 12/21 -
www.weeklystandard.com

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