Now watch, when it gets to the Senate the bought and paid for scum bags will try to strip out the buy American clause. Voters should let their Senators know that economic treason will be punished at the polls. It is time for Americans to stand up to the lobbyists who have destroyed this country. They are the enemy of the American people and we need to start fighting back.

OMG Danni. That is twice this year I agreed with you. Keep going girl, you will come around.

"Keep going girl, you will come around."

Same to you KBM, sooner or later you're going to figure out that we're both part of the same class....the working class. What's good for me is probably also good for you. Unless you are a millionaire you have more in common with me than you do with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who, of course, opposes "buy American."

protection for the corporate mafia.

jobs still leave.

pigs at the trough.

We had thoes rules way back in the 80s and they went away while clinton was in office.

If the Feds should do anything, they should put high tariffs on imports. Use the money to pay off debt. It would be great for dealing with the Chinese. Pay our debt to them with their own money.

Oh boy, once the international community gets wind of this one retaliation will be swift. Ever notice when the Gov tries to improve your life the result is that it gets worse? Way to go Nancy!

'...the international community...'

Fuck 'em.

Unfortunately danni is right about the senate. They will go on with business as usual and hand over the goose that laid the golden egg to the Chinese, the Mexicans, the Japanese, anyone but Americans simply because all their stock is now in foreign companies with English names.

"Oh boy, once the international community gets wind of this one retaliation will be swift."

Riiight. What are they going to do?
The Chinese do it every day, they had "buy Chinese only" in their own stimulus plan.

The Senate will go along with removing the clause because the corporations that oursource jobs want to be able to import their goods back to the US where us taxpayers get to pay for them, too bad we don't also get to help make them. If our workers were manufacturing the goods we use the workers would also be paying income tax to Uncle Sam, not so with Chinese workers. We lose jobs, we lose tax dollars and fat cats at the corporations get rich while they tell us they are doing us a favor.

Danni-think NAFTA and figure out what's going to happen. Countervailing tariffs and law suits come to mind.

"Danni-think NAFTA and figure out what's going to happen. Countervailing tariffs and law suits come to mind."

Perhaps so but we either stop the hemoraging or our economy will be over. It is insanity to continue what we are doing now.

The reality is unless we start taking protective measures to support in country businesses we are in a race to the bottom that will make the Great Depression 2 into what WW2 was to WW1.
China has 1.5 billion people, US 300 million we can't compete just on the statistics alone.
Stagnant and falling wages, plus the double digit "official" unemployment rate while prices are still rising will quickly price the average citizen out of everywhere but the soup line.
The American worker is no longer a necessity to the global market and the national market is owned by the Chinese.

"The American worker is no longer a necessity to the global market and the national market is owned by the Chinese."

Actually, transnational corporations seem to own the market in the US and they get their labor from cheap labor places like China. Then we let them contribute to campaign coffers and buy politicians.
When we take away their right to buy politicians we might then, and only then, get our country back.

We had thoes rules way back in the 80s and they went away while clinton was in office....

#5 | Posted by Sniper

...probably about the same time Newt Gingrich was House Speaker.

When we take away their right to buy politicians we might then, and only then, get our country back.

#15 | Posted by danni

It might actually get hard to find people willing to run for some offices.

"When we take away their right to buy politicians we might then, and only then, get our country back.

#15 | Posted by danni"

It might actually get hard to find people willing to run for some offices.

Danni is absolutely right. I think the solution is to raise these guys' salary to maybe $500k AND prosecute with extreme prejudice any impropriety involving kickbacks. When convicted they should be thrown out of office with no chance of running for public office again.

I think we should all commit to removing anyone from office that votes to remove this from the bill. It's not about "republican" "conservative" "democrat" or "liberal" anymore; it's about America. And anyone voting to remove this should be viewed as un-american and removed from office.

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just so long as I'm the dictator.

A good first step would be to move from an income tax (taxes production) to a sales tax. This would collect from foreign sources as much as it does from the US businesses.

Wouldn't solve the problems, but it would be a first step to level the playing field a bit

"A good first step would be to move from an income tax (taxes production) to a sales tax."

Most definitely, let the poorest pay the highest percentage of their income in tax. Makes perfect sense. Jesus loves you.

Any income tax is a sales tax. It's all how you look at it. What's the difference if you spend it before or after you make it? The only difference is how much the bank made and what their interest rate was to loan it to you.

Any income tax is a sales tax. It's all how you look at it. What's the difference if you spend it before or after you make it?

That is incorrect. First of all, I don't spend everything I make. Secondly a sales tax is not progressive as is income tax. Third, what do bank lending practices have to do with my income?

As far as state income tax, same arguments, but in states without an income tax (like Texas) the revenue is made up with higher than usual property taxes. I can choose to live in modest house and pay lower property taxes (which I do) or live in an expensive neighborhood and pay 3x as much. Yet my income is still the same.

"What's the difference if you spend it before or after you make it?"

I'd bet there are thousands of books trying to answer that question.

"As far as state income tax... in states without an income tax (like Texas) the revenue is made up with higher than usual property taxes. I can choose to live in modest house and pay lower property taxes (which I do) or live in an expensive neighborhood and pay 3x as much. Yet my income is still the same."

Which is a great example of freedom, and the fact the smarter you are, the more you can choose which state laws suit you best.

Kudos. Goatman. You learned the difference and made the choice. The American Way!

'As far as state income tax, same arguments, but in states without an income tax (like Texas) the revenue is made up with higher than usual property taxes. I can choose to live in modest house and pay lower property taxes (which I do) or live in an expensive neighborhood and pay 3x as much. Yet my income is still the same.'

This is how Montana taxes.

I would like my taxable property value fixed at what I paid for the property originally. The state taxes on current appraisals.

Fuck the death tax too. Shuts down a lot of family farms. We aren't going to feed the poor by taxing agriculture.

Fuck the death tax too. Shuts down a lot of family farms. We aren't going to feed the poor by taxing agriculture.

Excellent point.

Fuck the death tax too. Shuts down a lot of family farms.

Make exceptions for family farms and bring back the estate tax.

Why do rtards traditionally cheer on propositions that are guaranteed to increase the divide between the rich and the poor and working classes?

Be Well.

Why do rtards traditionally cheer on propositions that are guaranteed to increase the divide between the rich and the poor and working classes?

I don't think that the estate's attitude is so much increasing the divide between the rich and the poor than it is to be able to keep what is rightfully theirs.

...in states without an income tax (like Texas) the revenue is made up with higher than usual property taxes.

Bullshit. Texas is an oil state just like Alaska. The rest of us pay their taxes in the price of gas, and it's a sales tax no matter what you want to call it.

Nevada has a gambling industry that pays the taxes. That's a sales tax on booze, sex and sin.

"...in states without an income tax (like Texas) the revenue is made up with higher than usual property taxes. "

Bullshit.

So you are telling me that I am imagining that the propertty taxes I pay are higher than the states without an income tax?

Interesting. I just wish it was true.

"Any income tax is a sales tax. It's all how you look at it."

It may just work out that way for those who need to spend all of their income but definitely not for those who don't. That latter group most certainly would favor the sales tax over the income tax but just like always the real argument is about the need for taxes in the first place. We could eliminate them and watch our civilization crumble or we could decide that our wealth is actually derived because of our civilization and its infrastructure not in spite of it. Of course though that requires thinking farther ahead than just the end of our own noses.