Why does the Democratic party still try to accommodate such people as Lieberman? He is a traitor to everything Democrats stand for, and a delusional self-serving hypocrite on the side

yes, who does that son-of-a-bitch Lieberman think he is . . . siding with regular Americans over Dem party leaders?

#1 | Posted by markh

I'm a regular American and I disagree with you. You mean Republicans. I would say Republicans aren't really American and at all. They are corporatists.

Mr. Lieberman said he would have "a hard time" voting for bill with the Medicare buy-in.

"It has some of the same infirmities that the public option did," Mr. Lieberman said. "It will add taxpayer costs. It will add to the deficit. It's unnecessary.

Lieberman is a liar, and has changed his stance on this issue over and over again. He doesn't care what his constituents, or the American people want, this is all about obstructing the democratic party, putting a finger in their eye, and keeping himself in the news.

Lieberman is a petty bought and sold piece of shit, and if reid had any balls whatsoever he'd take Joes perks away and tell him to STFU.

#2 | POSTED BY JACKASS

Then by your definition, a regular American is a socialist.

Someone name me ONE republican that ran as an independent after losing as a republican, then campaigned for the democratic presidential candidate, AND THEN kept all their special chairs and committee power. Anyone? There isn't one, because the republicans wouldn't tolerate that shit.

Why do the democrats put up with it?

I'm a regular American and I disagree with you. You mean Republicans. I would say Republicans aren't really American and at all. They are corporatists.
#2 | Posted by jackass

CNN:
The latest CNN poll shows only 36% of the American people support the so-called healthcare bill -
61% are opposed . . The numbers continue to get worse . . .

Wonder what kind of health care Joltin' Joe has?

The latest CNN poll shows only 36% of the American people support the so-called healthcare bill -

From the same poll:

Now thinking specifically about the health insurance plans available to most Americans, would you
favor or oppose creating a public health insurance option administered by the federal government
that would compete with plans offered by private health insurance companies?

Favor 53%
Oppose 46%

Looks like Lieberman's on the wrong side, and the public's not happy with the obstructionism by the Republicans and Conservadems.

The poll question should be simply:

Do you think all Americans should be entitled to the same kind of health-care that members of Congress have?

The result would probably be about 95% YES.

and the public's not happy with the obstructionism by the Republicans and Conservadems.

#8 | Posted by YAV

are the dems that don't agree w/you bad dems?

MarkH, do you have reading comprehension issues? Your question was answered in the post you cited.

Why do the democrats put up with it?

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite

They need his vote to ram legislation down our throats since the Dems lost Kennedy.

Without Lieberman they have diddly squat.

Lieberman is a liar, and has changed his stance on this issue over and over again.

It's amazing the way he lied to his constituents during his re-election campaign. This is a guy who used to get a 100 percent score from organizations that favor universal health care. Bitterness over losing the presidential primary in 2004 and the Ned Lamont challenge in 2006 has turned him into a neocon Republican.

Dems control the congress and white house. If healthcare fails to pass it's a democratic failure plain and simple.

You can't blame bush or republicans for blocking anything. They don't have enough votes to stop anything.

When are you dems going to grow a pair and take ownership of something.

Bitterness over losing the presidential primary in 2004 and the Ned Lamont challenge in 2006 has turned him into a neocon Republican.

#13 | Posted by rcade

Can you blame him for that?

They need his vote to ram legislation down our throats....

#12 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-12-13 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

You conservatives seem to have a preoccupation with having things rammed down your throats.

First it was the abolition of slavery, then the 14th Amendment, then women's suffrage, then Brown v. Board..., then the Civil Rights Act, then the Voting Rights Act, then ....

Dems control the congress and white house. If healthcare fails to pass it's a democratic failure plain and simple.

You're right about that. They (the Democrats) should shove the "constitutional option" down your throat.

Does anyone remember what the "constitutional option" was?

Mystery toy, do you remember?

Of course not. That would be too much to ask, mysterytoy. You can only remember that when the Republicans are in control again.

I don't even know what the bush doctrine is.

For those people who want the Constitutional option I have 4 words for you

Harriet Myers
Robert Bork

Just remember that the dems won't be in power forever.

"You can't blame bush or republicans for blocking anything."

You are full of crap. We will blame ALL who oppose what the majority of people in this country want not just the Dems and former Dems who have sold out to the insurance industry.

Danni according to the cnn poll only 36% of america want the bill that is currently in congress. The current bill is what the Republicans and the blue dogs are voting against.

Not reform in general just the current bill.

Why is it when Republicans wanted to trim 60 billion out of Medicare the Democrats screamed that it would kill the program, but when Dems want to Trim 500 billion it is a good idea?

I WANT WHAT JOE HAS!!!!!!!!!!
And some of his retirement package as well............

Can you blame him for that?

Yes. If losing an election makes you change your values just to spite the voters who rejected you, you have no business in public office.

Is anybody surprised about this besides Harry Reid?

Why isn't Claire McCaskill on the shit list?

Lieberman has become like one of these TV wrestling guys who plays the bad guy, loves the attention, and is willing to take a fall for whomever pays him the most.

The Senator from Aetna, indeed.

"Danni according to the cnn poll only 36% of america want the bill that is currently in congress."

Perhaps, but what percentage supports Medicare for all???
It's time to ignore Lieberman and use reconciliation. I don't understand the reluctance, Republicans used it several times when they held the majority and much of our present fiscal crisis is due to the tax cuts they passed using that process.

The reason this is a big deal is that Lieberman signed onto it two weeks ago. Reid didn't want to roll it out twice. He didn't want to have to sell this crappy bill to the left-wing twice. So, he made all sorts of concessions specifically for Joe.

Whose word is worth what, exactly?

Joe lets it get some traction. Gets a resigned 'best we can do' from the rest of the party. Gets them on Meet the Press to defend it. Then plays "Gotcha!".

Joe could have been handed a pen to write the bill himself. And he would have voted against it once the Dems were aligned behind it. He basically was asked to write it.

McConnell, Frist, Lott, Dole, or Baker would have stripped Joe's committee spot long ago. Instead, the Dems have had Reid and Daschle. Who fall for the Peanuts 'pull the football away' trick every single time.

I don't care if it costs victories later, Joe Lieberman should be stripped of his committee chairmanship and told to fuck off by the Dem caucus.

Spot on, Danni.

and much of our present fiscal crisis is due to the tax cuts they passed using that process.

bullshit.

or perhaps you are right....we should have just given the republicans more money to deal with and they wouldn't have pissed it away. they would have spent it responsibly and we wouldn't have "fiscal crisis".

what a laugh. Danni, do you even realize that by saying we would be better off without tax cuts you are acknowleging that you trust the repubicans with the extra tax revenue?

I know you don't believe that.

Dems control the congress and white house. If healthcare fails to pass it's a democratic failure plain and simple.

You can't blame bush or republicans for blocking anything. They don't have enough votes to stop anything.

When are you dems going to grow a pair and take ownership of something.

#14 | Posted by mysterytoy
They inherited the majority, so it is Bush's and the repubs fault that they can't get it passed.

First it was the abolition of slavery, then the 14th Amendment, then women's suffrage, then Brown v. Board..., then the Civil Rights Act, then the Voting Rights Act, then ....

#16 | Posted by BetelG
Do a little more research on who was on what side of the civil rights votes. You might be suprised to learn you are a dumb ass.

I don't care if it costs victories later, Joe Lieberman should be stripped of his committee chairmanship and told to fuck off by the Dem caucus.

I actually agree with that also. Let the insurance companies of Hartford, Conn have a republican from that State who will gladly side with them.

"I don't care if it costs victories later, Joe Lieberman should be stripped of his committee chairmanship and told to fuck off by the Dem caucus.'

Isn't it ironic the same libs here can't address one single statement made by Lieberman and Nelson yesterday. Instead they side with a loser like Harry Reid, and condemn anyone smart enough not to back the worthless majority leader or this fake reform.

Mr. Lieberman said: "We've got to stop adding to the bill. We've got to start subtracting some controversial things."

"You've got to take out the Medicare buy-in," Mr. Lieberman said. "You've got to forget about the public option. You probably have to take out the Class Act, which was a whole new entitlement program that will, in future years, put us further into deficit."

Mr. Lieberman said he would have "a hard time" voting for a bill with the Medicare buy-in.

"It has some of the same infirmities that the public option did," he said. "It will add taxpayer costs. It will add to the deficit. It's unnecessary. The basic bill, which has a lot of good things in it, provides a generous new system of subsidies for people between ages 55 and 65, and choice and competition."

"Let the insurance companies of Hartford, Conn have a republican from that State who will gladly side with them."

They seem to have one anyway so why would I care which party their shill belongs to???

#35 | Posted by freechoice

Lieberman is one of the Senators from Connecticut.

One of the cities in Connecticut is Hartford.

Now, ask yourself... What big businesses have their headquarters in Hartford?

"It will add taxpayer costs. It will add to the deficit. It's unnecessary. The basic bill, which has a lot of good things in it, provides a generous new system of subsidies for people between ages 55 and 65, and choice and competition."

Think about that statement. He is saying that allowing individuals to buy into Medicare will cost taxpayers and then in the same breath he says subsidies going to for profit insurance companies don't. It isn't rocket science to understand that it would be cheaper for taxpayers to allow buy-ins into Medicare than to subsidize for-profit insurance companies.
We should just call subsidies to for-profit insurance what they really are....gifts to for-profit insurance companies.

Exactly Roy. That is the last Senate Seat you can expect help to battle insurance companies.

Why the dems let Leiberman have any leadership knowing the position he would be in is stupid.

Who can get elected into that seat without the help of the insurance companies?

Speaking as a Democrat, Liebermann is the biggest scumbag in the Senate. His only concern is with his
own self-interest. He's in the pocket of all the insurance co's in Ct. If he blocks this legislation
from passing the Dems should strip him of his chairmanship and throw him out of the Dem caucus.

This prick not only supported the GOP nominee in 2008,
he spoke at the RNC convention denigrating Obama in the process. The only reason this les miserables is still in the caucus is because he's #60. However,
if he's going to be an obstructionist, who needs him?
Let him join the GOP-he knows he will never be re-elected in Ct as an R.

Compared to LIEbermann George W. Bush is my hero.
I have much more respect for W as a politician and as a man.

#39 | Posted by Corky at
The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of southern Senators led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."[5]

The Senate version:[9]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

Support from repubs in the 80s and from the demis 60s. Sorry to give you some facts instead of some libbie article.

#41...

Joe was talking about a so called compromise by Reid, expanding medicare to include millions of those 55-64. Sadly you ignore his legitimate argument and say his concern is driven by insurance monies only. How about the other dems who have the same opinion of this fake reform bill? Obviously they must be swayed by the same corporations.

On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation.

"Let him join the GOP-he knows he will never be re-elected in Ct as an R."

They were dumbe enough to elect Jeffords and Specter.

If the little tent left wing wacos would not have tried to run him out of the party after noming him for VP, you would not have this problem.

#44

That's why they left the Dem party and the GOP gladly took them in...... good thing, I guess, since these days Southern red states is all they have left.

"If the little tent left wing wacos would not have tried to run him out of the party after noming him for VP, you would not have this problem."

Rewriting history again??/
He spoke at the Republican National Convention.
As I recall he lost a primary election in Conn. then decided to run as a "Democratic Independent" whatever the hell that is.
BTW, his support of the Iraq invasion has now been pretty conclusively understood to be very wrong headed.

"If the little tent left wing wacos would not have tried to run him out of the party after noming him for VP, you would not have this problem."

Dude. Barack Obama (among many others) came to Connecticut and campaigned for Joe in the primary against Ned Lamont. He lost it. Are you saying that they should still have supported him against the primary vote of the Democrats in his state?

Of course, he promised his support for universal healthcare in that 2006 race, too. Repeatedly.

Don't buy what he's selling.

"Rewriting history again??"

Other than the Iraq line, you seem to be the one who is trying to re-write history. Joe went Indy and spoke at the RNC "after" the Party threw him out.

The relevance bug bit JL when he ran for VP and he contracted the celebrity/fame virus...NO cure except to quarantine poor JL.

Repubs do you really want old reliable JL?

Talk about pols trying to destroy America. The poster child for that effort is U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I ... for Israel) whose motives seem hazy, but apparently are linked to relegating this nation to third-rate mideastern status. Joe has a right to speak, but decent people everywhere have a right to cold-shoulder Joe. herm

The wheels are falling off this democrat majority. Only took 11 months.

"Joe went Indy and spoke at the RNC "after" the Party threw him out."

They never threw him out, he refused to respect the right of Democratic Party members to choose their own candidate and went independent. By gaining many REPUBLICAN votes he was elected over Lamont. He wasn't kicked out, he quit the party.

"The poster child for that effort is U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I ... for Israel) whose motives seem hazy, but apparently are linked to relegating this nation to third-rate mideastern status. Joe has a right to speak, but decent people everywhere have a right to cold-shoulder Joe." herm

Amazing how Joe went from hero to zero in less than 8 years. All because he speaks out how worthless the leadership of his party became since the dems garnered both majorities.

"The wheels are falling off this democrat majority. Only took 11 months."

Anyone with any honesty at all would have to admit the very likely no majority party could hold their poll numbers in an economic climate like we have today. Problem is, the nation is suffering from thirty years of deficits and outsourcing. No one could put "Humpty Dumpty" back together again and with the deep division in our partisan politics where so many are party first it is doubtful that "Humpty Dumpty" will ever recover.

In 2006, he lost the Democratic Party primary election but won re-election in the general election as a third party candidate under the party label "Connecticut for Lieberman." Lieberman has been officially listed in Senate records for the 110th and 111th Congresses as an "Independent Democrat" and sits as part of the Senate Democratic Caucus. On November 5, 2008, Lieberman met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to discuss his future role with the Democratic Party. Ultimately, the Senate Democratic Caucus voted to allow Lieberman to keep chairmanship of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. Subsequently, Lieberman announced that he will continue to caucus with the Democrats.

"good trade"

I heard that part of the deal was that JL would not hinder/obstruct Dems.

"Amazing how Joe went from hero to zero in less than 8 years. All because he speaks out how worthless the leadership of his party became since the dems garnered both majorities."

Baloney. He lost most Dems when he started kissing George Bush's ass because Israel and thus Joe supported the Iraq invasion.

"They never threw him out, he refused to respect the right of Democratic Party members to choose their own candidate and went independent."

Like FreeChoice wrote earlier, had they not tried to throw him out, they wouldn't be running into this problem. God only knows how you think the dems didn't throw him out, a sitting Senator who was a leading candidate for Pres in 2004 and they don't want him re-elected? Please.

#51, 52, I did nto say dem party, I said left wing little tent wacos. Some of you might consider yourselves mainstream dems, but you are not, you are wacos I refer to.

Of course, he promised his support for universal healthcare in that 2006 race, too. Repeatedly.
-lawnchair

That sums up precisely what Joe Liebermnan is.

Joe could have been handed a pen to write the bill himself. And he would have voted against it once the Dems were aligned behind it.

Yep. Lieberman's only agenda here is to screw the left. It appears that he said he'd agree to Reid's compromise behind closed doors and then stuck a knife in his back.

I am so tired of all this health care is evil socialism garbage when socialism is rampant in American everyday. Public schools, Medicare, Social Security and even free police protection are ALL examples of socialism at work in the US today. If you are for ANY of those things you are a socialist. Get over it people. Don't be afraid of a word.

Lieberman is a Republican. He supported McCain for president. Take away his committee and see how much money that costs him in political donations.

"The wheels are falling off this democrat majority. Only took 11 months."

This writer boggles my mind in implying A) Lieberman is a Democrat and B) his evil shenanigans have ANYthing to do with a Democratic majority whose wheels are holding up just fine, thank you. herm

Funny how libs ride the asses of Republicans when they decry the actions of their own RINOs, but very quickly throw Lieberman under the bus at the very first opportunity. Republicans are small tenters, but the Dems accept everyone? Bullshit. Lieberman clearly caucuses with the Dems, with only a very few exceptions. But it would be nice to have an Orthodox Jew in the ranks of the Republicans.

"It appears that he said he'd agree to Reid's compromise behind closed doors and then stuck a knife in his back."

How do you feel about the leadership bribing Landreau to the tune of $100 million dollars for her vote?

Lieberman isn't a Democrat. Defeated in Connecticut's 2006 Democratic primary he hooked up with the unipurpose Connecticut for Lieberman Party.

"God only knows how you think the dems didn't throw him out, a sitting Senator who was a leading candidate for Pres in 2004 and they don't want him re-elected? Please."

Oh I fully agree the Connecticut Democrats threw him out but no, the DNC nor Demcrats in Congress ever did anything to him.

"I heard that part of the deal was that JL would not hinder/obstruct Dems."

Why is it "obstruction" when it's against the Democrats, but one's patriotic duty when against the Republicans?

You are full of crap. We will blame ALL who oppose what the majority of people in this country want not just the Dems and former Dems who have sold out to the insurance industry.

#22 | Posted by danni
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The majority? Last poll I saw only 36% wanted government provided health care. That plainly is not a majority.

Lonnie

"the DNC nor Demcrats in Congress ever did anything to him."

How about Obama? Does he count? Wasn't Lamont Chairman of Obama's exploratory committee in Conn?

Obama gave Lieberman his support in the election against Lamont, which was stupid as Lieberman's double-cross was inevitable. As inevitable as the scorpion stinging the frogs back.

Lieberman should have been tossed from the chairmanships as soon as he campaigned for mccain. Period. I don't even like our two party system, OR the two parties, but ONE GUY should not be able to hold up the entire Health Care debate. Nor should he show such an appalling lack of loyalty (to his party, to his constituents, and to the voters in all 50 states)and continue to be rewarded for it.

Grow a set, Harry Reid. Quit caucusing with that POS.

Lamont was backed by the National Organization for Women, MoveOn.org, and Democracy for America; he received the endorsement of The New York Times

The New Republic senior editor and "liberal hawk" Jonathan Chait, who is critical of Lieberman on a variety of issues, wrote:

I can't quite root for Lieberman to lose his primary. What's holding me back is that the anti-Lieberman campaign has come to stand for much more than Lieberman's sins. It's a test of strength for the new breed of left-wing activists who are flexing their muscles within the party. These are exactly the sorts of fanatics who tore the party apart in the late 1960s and early 1970s. They think in simple slogans and refuse to tolerate any ideological dissent

"Wasn't Lamont Chairman of Obama's exploratory committee in Conn?"

Lamont is still a Democrat so that is a completely irrelevant point.

"Why is it "obstruction" when it's against the Democrats, but one's patriotic duty when against the Republicans?"

As I recall the Dems were called obstuctionist and the Republicans even threatened "nuclear option".
Remember "up or down vote?"
Remember the Republicans using reconciliation though if the Dems did the same thing now you and the rest of the right would act as if it were the first time anyone used it.

once again it is little tent left wing wacos fault. You would have him as a staunch supporter if not for the fringe of the party that most of you belong to.

"Lamont was backed by the National Organization for Women, MoveOn.org, and Democracy for America; he received the endorsement of The New York Times"

But he lost the primary election where Democratic voters get to choose their candidate. All those endorsements are irrelevant, the voters rejected him. If he wanted to stay in the Dem. party he needed to obey the voters. He chose not to, he left the party. Case closed.

"You would have him as a staunch supporter if not for the fringe of the party that most of you belong to."

As he votes with the Republicans on almost every important issue. Riiight. Reid and Senate Democrats need to jetison Lieberman on principle.

Thank God Lieberman has some sense.
The poll I read over the weekend was 54%-42% against this "reform".
The country, overall, does not want to give any more control to the gov't. And, stop fooling yourself, this is what this is about.

The CMMS (center for medicare/medicade services), the arm of the gov't. that implements medicare/cade, says that the plan will raise costs by an estimated total of $234 billion (0.7 percent) during calendar year 2010-2019, force seniors to lose coverage, increase private plan premiums, etc...

How is this reform?

Sorry, it's CMS not CMMS.

Lieberman is likely the only independent-thinking member of Congress. Who does that scare more, the left or the right?

Yes, yes. They do not have enough Democrats for the vote. The media needs a scapegoat. Blame Lieberman. Quit watching the hand that is doing the pointing. Look at the other hand that is pulling the stunts.

"Lieberman is likely the only independent-thinking member of Congress."

Lieberman is a puppet owned and operated by the insurance lobby. He is now objecting to things he supported only a short time ago.

"Wasn't Lamont Chairman of Obama's exploratory committee in Conn?"

Lamont is still a Democrat so that is a completely irrelevant point.
#77 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-14 12:29 PM |

You said earlier it was only the state dems which threw Joe under the bus and not on any national level. Seems to me Obama supporting Joe's opponent refutes your silly claim that the DNC or dems in Congress never did anything to Lieberman.

"Reid and Senate Democrats need to jetison Lieberman on principle."
Fine. Send him over, the Republicans will take him. Bye, Bye there goes your filibuster proof majority.
It only took 11 months, ha ha ha. November 2010... Little Big Horn II....

Lieberman clearly caucuses with the Dems, with only a very few exceptions.

That's not true any more. He votes with McCain more than he votes with his old party. Lieberman's become a reliable neocon vote.

#79 | Posted by danni
The waco left wing little tent demis of the party, but stayed with the voters that he represents. That just kills you left wing wacos, and now you are paying for your purity test.

"I heard that part of the deal was that JL would not hinder/obstruct Dems."

Why is it "obstruction" when it's against the Democrats, but one's patriotic duty when against the Republicans?
#72 | SpokaneJim
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This is about an agreement between JL and the Dems within their own caucus for JL to retain power and relevance.

As that great judicial mind Aunty TT says, "bust a deal, face the wheel."

"You conservatives seem to have a preoccupation with having things rammed down your throats.

First it was the abolition of slavery,..."

You need to go study a little history. At the time of the Civil War, it was the democrats who opposed abolishing slavery. Lincoln was a repulican...remember? In addition, it was the democrats who opposed passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 under LBJ. He thanked the republicans for their support in getting it passed. You get an "F" for your history essay for today.

Jestgettin'-
I said "conservatives", not
"Republicans", idiot.

In addition, it was the democrats who opposed passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 under LBJ.

And those Democrats became Republicans because of civil rights, becoming the base of the GOP all the way to today. As a Democrat I can't say I miss them.

"I said "conservatives", not
"Republicans", idiot."

Oh, I see...it is your contention that the Republican Party is considerd the LIBERAL party then....and it is the democrats who have always been known as being conservative. Uhhh...you don't teach school children, do you? But then, if you are saying it was the democrats who opposed abolishing slavery and passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, you would be correct.
AND...what happened to all the compassion, love, and understanding you and your little friends promote? I'm not getting that warm and cuddly feeling from you when you call me bad names...or is all that political correctness just MORE of your leftist bullshit?

re: "Oh, I see...it is your contention that the Republican Party is considerd the LIBERAL party then....and it is the democrats who have always been known as being conservative."

no. my "contention" is that you are an idiot without any historical understanding whatever.

Later blog.

And those Democrats became Republicans because of civil rights, becoming the base of the GOP all the way to today.

that was 45 years ago. I think most of those guys are dead.

"no. my "contention" is that you are an idiot without any historical understanding whatever."

You, I'm sure are a mental giant. Probably a prodigy on the order of Buffaloed_Boob. You should seek a position with Dear Leader's czars. Buy a ticket for D.C today!

Lieberman's purpose in life is in helping the rest of us understand anti-semetism.

When will Joe start chanting Drill Baby Drill?
Palin/Lieberman 2012-The Shrew and the Jew will
start anew. Palin could convince Lieberman to
move to Israel mid term to prepare for the
Rapture.

Good for Lieberman! His duties is to the people of Connecticut and not to the DNC.

"Desperate Demcare peddlers play the Murder Card"

"On the heels of Kristof's bogus health care horror story accusing Demcare opponents of letting Uninsured Americans Die (never mind that his poster child was already insured and getting treatment), more liberals in the media are playing the Murder Card.

Here's Ezra Klein indicting Joe Lieberman for his "willing[ness] to cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people."

And here's Kirsten Powers in full Chicken Little mode: "Americans will die if we don't provide universal health insurance."

You mean Republicans. I would say Republicans aren't really American and at all. They are corporatists.

#2 | Posted by jackass at 2009-12-13 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag
YOu sure picked the right name one better would be "dumbass jackass"

Hadassah (Joe's wife) as well:

You think he acts in the best interests of the people of Ct? lol

You think he acts in the best interests of the people of Ct? lol

#106 | Posted by tiger150 at 2009-12-14 03:28 PM

You expect a person who is supposed to represent a state to hold allegiance to the party over their duty to the state?

LOL. No wonder we keep getting stuck with party over country losers on all sides.

VIDEO: Watch Lieberman Endorse Medicare Buy-In Three Months Ago

Podesta: Democrats Will Pass Health Bill With or Without Lieberman

"My guess is that musty folders on reconciliation got dusted off this morning," Podesta told reporters at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. The reference was to a budget procedure that requires only 51 votes to pass and can't be filibustered.

Podesta, president of the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, said Senate Democratic leaders are "extremely close to 60" votes for their health reform bill. If Lieberman and Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson look like non-starters, he said, the next question is, is there a way to get Maine moderates Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins on board?

Podesta said he is confident a health care bill will pass. Reconciliation is difficult and complicated, he said, but "it definitely can be done." Among the complications: it can only include provisions that directly relate to how much money the government spends and takes in. Insurance reforms such as banning exclusions of people who have pre-existing conditions would have to be in a separate bill, which would be subject to a filibuster. Finally, anything passed as part of a budget reconciliation bill would expire in 10 years unless it was renewed or revised.

"There's wisdom in trying to get the 60 votes and passing it that way, both substantively and politically," Podesta said. "But if the question is 'let's fail again' or 'let's go to reconciliation,' I don't think that's a real question."

Tom Harkin May Reintroduce Legislation To Kill Filibuster

When Harkin fought the filibuster 15 years ago, one of his top allies was none other than Joe Lieberman.

"[People] are fed up -- frustrated and fed up and angry about the way in which our government does not work, about the way in which we come down here and get into a lot of political games and seem to -- partisan tugs of war and forget why we're here, which is to serve the American people," Lieberman said at the time. "And I think the filibuster has become not only in reality an obstacle to accomplishment here, but it also a symbol of a lot that ails Washington today."

Video Joe Lieberman 1995 vs Joe Lieberman 2009

Corky, that video ought to be on every news program tonight...but somehow I doubt that it will be.

#111

Send a copy to Rachel Maddow.... or ask Hagbard to do it. He's connected, I hear. ;)

"Tom Harkin May Reintroduce Legislation To Kill Filibuster"

It would be filibustered.

"Send a copy to Rachel Maddow...."

I'll give it a try tonight when I get home.
My daughter has some contacts with Stephanie Miller, I'll get her to send it there also.

Here's the original story on how Harkin's Amendment would work, but you are right, it doesn't explain how it would get passed.

Lieberman is truly concerned with the welfare of the people of Ct. Unfortunately, in his mind that's limited to him and his wife.

Lieberman's only loyalty is to Israel and cash.

hundreds of millions of dollars in this piece of shit are to go to "adult preperations'...

going to tell you how to raise your children and how to run business..

IT STATES that whatever the govt decides is "DANGEROUS TO FINAINCIAL INSTITUTIONS, the GOVT will take over

now some of you liberal dupes keep slobbering about how this is NOT a govt takeover of every fuckin secound of your fuckin lives...

Afkababble is out of his skull. I mean more so than normal. The government will do no such thing - re: your children OR your business. Afka needs to be reminded that YOU are the government, WE are the govcernment, and there's no insidious plot to confiscate your guns or your SUV. herm

herm

it was read to me this afternoon........and it clearly says that any business declared to be dangerous to the finanicial system will be taken over by the fed govt...

AND also from last book I read about the founders that I put on other thread..

when the govt becomes oppressive, its time to burn the house down....

thats the short version..also burn the house down is figurative,.,,,from incident during the shays rebellion....

SO in leaving for the evening..let me just say

NOVEMBER 2010....get those torches lit.......

OOPS...there was also info about things on raising children that ARE in the bill..........

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#16 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-12-13 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag: Historical ignorance on display.

#16 | Posted by BetelG

Do a little more research on who was on what side of the civil rights votes. You might be suprised to learn you are a dumb ass.

#35 | Posted by freechoice at 2009-12-14 10:15 AM

It'll never dawn on him/her.

As a community organizer Obama sucks. Of course all those people in the streets after Rezko failed to build them suitable housing with the money Obama made sure was paid to him already know that.

Lieberman: Health bill concern not based on Connecticut insurance companies

By J. Taylor Rushing - 10/26/09 05:00 AM ET
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), one of a handful of Senate wild cards in this fall's healthcare reform debate, says his concern about the Senate bill is based on the national deficit not the insurers that dominate his state.

Connecticut has the highest U.S. concentration of insurance jobs, with the industry accounting for about 64,000 jobs as of June 2009, according to the state's labor department. That's down 23 percent from the 83,000 jobs in 1990, although the state projects a slow growth of 4 percent through 2014.

The state is home to 72 insurance headquarters, with three times the U.S. average of insurance jobs as a percent of total state employment.

But Woke, like the forgetful old fuck that he is, voted for him when Al Gore won.

But Woke, like the forgetful old fuck that he is, voted for him when Al Gore won.

At the time, lilaWoke's handlers told him it was OK. But they have since changed their mind and like a good little sheeple, he now hates Lieberman as he is told to.

berman certainly understands who he works for alright, but it's not the PEOPLE, eh?

who elected him? perhaps many of the 64,000 people who work in Conn for those companies.

What kind of retard doesn't understand that getting elected and staying in office while representating that state involves supporting the insurance industry?

The dems kicked him out. what the fuck else do they want from him?

once again it is little tent left wing wacos fault. You would have him as a staunch supporter if not for the fringe of the party that most of you belong to.

#78 | Posted by freechoice at 2009-12-14 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag

And there's a big difference between "ideological dissent" and campaigning for the opposing party guy. What a crock. Republicans would NEVER tolerate that kind of garbage.

Seems to me Obama supporting Joe's opponent refutes your silly claim that the DNC or dems in Congress never did anything to Lieberman.

#86 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-12-14 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama backed lieberman when he was a democrat. Once he LOST to the other democrat, switched to independent, and ran against the democrat (lamont) Obama sided with Lamont.

Obama didn't do anything wrong in this instance.

Lieberman may be the only one thing (person) standing between Congress and this administrations' 1) planned destruction of our medical delivery system -- an incredibly effective, life saving health care system unknown to any people at any time in history -- and 2) the total loss of personal choice and individual freedom that Americans have enjoyed throughtout our 200 year history.

If government takes over our medical care system by destroying the insurance companies and capitalism, we will all suffer, ALL. They will control all our lives, and whether we live or we die.

FEAR really works on some people effectively and keeps them from realizing that our government is of, by and for the PEOPLE and the giant, global healthcare/pharma/insurance companies ALREADY control whether you live or die....

it's pathetic

I honestly thought the article was about "Juxtaposition Joe" finally getting on board with healthcare reform and the Democrats...

Then I remembered that Leiberman, (contrary to popular belief), IS A DEMOCRAT!!! (supposedly)...

I really wish that Deputy Dog jowled hypocrite would boff some underage male page or something of the sort, like the rest of the Republican Party Leadership so we could just be done with him...

But, then the "Conservatives" would just embrace him, give him his own show on FOX and then we'd all have to look at, and hear from, him all the time...

KISSNTELL you have it so wrong - that's what is wrong. I would rather have a non-profit institution in control of my health care, any time rather than a company that needs to make money from me.

What's so wrong with that?

kissntell is a simpleton.

Good to see Lieberman grew a pair.

A pair of what? Bonus checks from CT. Insurance companies?

LOL

Yep. Lieberman's only agenda here is to screw the left. It appears that he said he'd agree to Reid's compromise behind closed doors and then stuck a knife in his back.

#65 | Posted by rcade at 2009-12-14 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

yeah, the lieberman special: Beating up on gutless milksops like harry reid, and hurting non millionaires in the process, all because the voters hurt his widdle video game hating feelings in the last election.

It must be nice to be a sociopath, to never care who you smash to pieces. Not only is it guilt free, but financially lucrative.

Any surprise that Lieberman broke rank is laughable.

Why the Dems accepted him back into the fold and/or put him in any committee position of power is unbelieveable after knowing what a turncoat the guy has always been.

"None are so blind as they who will not see."

LIEberman broke ranks?

LOL. Wot ranks?

He's Joe Lieberman (I).

The "I" does not stand for genuine Independent as Joe likes to state.

It stands for "Israel".

He's essentially AIPACs biatch as a rule but here he's playing the role of corporate tool for the Big Insurers in Hartford who don't like this bill and who want to take all it's teeth out and insure that it fails to impact their ridiculously high bottom line.

Fuck Joe Lieberman.

Be Well.

See also: THIS!...

I don't care if it costs victories later, Joe Lieberman should be stripped of his committee chairmanship and told to fuck off by the Dem caucus.

#31 | Posted by danni

Be Well.

Someone should tell Lieberman that Israel will suffer for his sins. When they come crying for money tell them to go ask Joe why there is nothing there for them.

Wonder how many times/week on average, Harry Reid got beat-up in the school yard from 1st grade through high school?

Let's say - 2.5

Extrapolation - 2.5 x 35(?) wks x 12 yrs = 1050 total poundings.

Yea, guess I'd be a bitter, snivelling, lying little twerp in that case too.

JM

Doc, thought you might be interested in this. He was a distant relative of mine.

Stirs, interesting, thanks for the link. One of those people whose name is known only to people intimately interested in a particular period of history but who you can be sure wielded tremendous influence in his own time. Love the sense of a call to public service in that bio.

Thanks Doc, I actually meant the link for DockJ, since they share the same name. Looking back at family history and how it pertains to the world today gives you a different perspective. In North Carolina the Democrats were the Conservative party at the time. Thought it was kinda cool. One of my great grand fathers married his daughter, along with five other wives he outlived. Big extended family.

One of my great grand fathers married his daughter, along with five other wives he outlived.

Muy hombre!

OOPS...there was also info about things on raising children that ARE in the bill..........

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#121 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-12

PROVIDes millions to community groups for shit including "dating counseling' for young adults.

TRANSLATION......how to have gay sex in school bathrooms IF you believe the writing of mentors of obama's safe school czar anyway.......

ALSo

you leftists stooges had no problem with LIEBERMAN voting yes on the budget the other day.
AND they held the vote open for a FULL ExTRA HOUR so he could get there from a jewish service.

thats the one with over fiVE THousanD PORK projects and a 12% INCREASE in funds to most govt things

and THEN You stooges and dupes will turn around and bring up the gop holding the vote open in the senate (CIRCA 2004)for the gop drug bill..

At this stage I gotta wonder if Lieberman or Afkababble and his pathetic dittoheads rank at the bottom of the human evolution scale - and what views of either would be grounds for an Rcade dump. herm

Fuck Joe Lieberman.

Be Well.

Too bad he can't decide what side of the fence he is on. It seems blow hard Joe wants to be a shill for the pubbies, but just can't decide what party will come out on top of this issue. He is straddling the fence waiting for his best offer.

LIEberman is the GOP's Trojan Horse.

Nearly all of you stupid bastards are missing the point completely, there are no provisions for national health care in the Constitution, this is a states rights issue, so why haven't more states tried it? It's because it is untenable, it usually only benefits those in society who will not contribute (retired persons have already made their contribution) lazy bastards of all makes and models. Keep your fucking hands out of my pockets (this goes for corporate welfare as well). Start making good decisions about your life, pay more attention to what is going on around you instead of the latest fashion and who is doing who in Hollyrude.

I also find it strange that the kum-by-ya singing assholes are the first people to call Joe out as Jewish, but you are not anti-Semitic because the Israelis are keeping the Palestinians down, but you fail to realize that a Palestinian has more rights in Israel than in ANY Muslim (or Persian) country.

Get educated on the world and the Constitution and you will be neither a Republicrash, nor a Democrackhead.

herm.........try another debating tactic...that fuck in your last post isnt working

IRONREY.........

there is a bill about to come out from ted poe, a congressman from houston, that will prevent the govt from FORCING anyone to buy insurance..
sure to fail of course but the basis is that its unconstitutional.

HERE IS where leftists knuckleheads try the 'car insurance' nonsense.......and we all know thats a silly, pathetic, and wrong assertion

ALSO from other thread

senator nelson being EXTORTED by rhom and barry.....

that CHICAGO WAY AGAIN

see other thread

Lieberman is a piece of garbage. He's pissed at Obama because Obama won't give israel everything they want.

Lieberman = Judas.

He knows where his loyalties lie and so do many in the US.

He is one of many termites in the woodwork of this great nation.

Why are we surprised every time Leiberman talks, talks, talks sensibly, then in the end, he always toes the Democrat line. On this abominable government take over of our medical delivery system, he has sold out the American people, once again. And, how we will suffer under this plan, economically and physically.

Face it: There are no moderate Democrats in power right now, not Evan Bayh, not Ben Nelson, Not any of them and that includes Leiberman who is a Democrat, first last and always even though they kick him in the teeth. This Democrat Congress and administration is radical, leftist, dare I say, Marxist, nay, treasonous in nature in its ignorance of thei oath of office to uphold our Constitution. Despite their promises to the contrary, everything done in secret, behind closed doors and crammed down our throats without even so much as a chew to see what we are getting.

Their Motto: "Do it fast, else it won't get done". TARP, Stimulus, Health Care, Cap and Trade (Higher Taxes and Higher Energy Costs for all). They have to do it this way because otherwise, the people will have a chance to fight their loss of freedom and the taking of their hard earned money, confiscated by a corrupt and conniving ruling class.

#159 | Posted by Kissntell at 2009-12-15 11:03 PM
***"They have to do it this way because otherwise, the people will have a chance to fight their loss of freedom and the taking of their hard earned money, confiscated by a corrupt and conniving ruling class"

Because, having their chance to fight their loss of freedom and the taking of their hard earned money, confiscated by a corrupt and conniving CORPORATE ruling class is SO much better...