This information was obtained from the East Anglia University - Department of Infectious Diseases.

1 in 6 Americans Really? I don't think I have a single coworker, family member, friend, or family members of friends that have had it.

More fear tactics as usual. Sad really sad.

Larry

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again - ALL OF HUMANITY IS AT RISK!
According to WHO, anyways.

Imagine a rookie QB getting picked up mid-way through summer and throwing for 4000 yards during the season. That's what this virus did and is still doing.

Imagine a rookie QB getting picked up mid-way through summer and throwing for 4000 yards during the season. That's what this virus did and is still doing.

And they stopped keeping his stats after the second game...and refused to allow attendance to any of his final 14 games, and told you he threw for 4000 yards.

And how is the population holding up?

It went through our area a month or so ago - my son and I had something in September like nothing before - it was enough to make one wish they were dead. He got over it quickly.

I got the vaccine and I managed to stay healthy.

Imagine a rookie QB getting picked up mid-way through summer and throwing for 4000 yards during the season. That's what this virus did and is still doing.

#6 | Posted by ZombieHunter

This might overtake Global Climate hocus pocus! Timmy! Get the checkbook!

Within the stats:

Would the CDC or MSM even dare to quantify how many of the "swine flu" illnesses or hospitalizations were related to having taken the vaccine itself?

How many were given the vaccination in a mass vaccination propaganda craze that never should have been given it for health reasons.

How many had severe reactions to the vaccination outside of pre-existing health problems?

As the numbers rise, however legitimate they are, will we ever get truthful numbers on this with an optimistic assumption that there is not another 1976 incident or worse?

I've had a few coworkers come down with it. Each of them describe it as being brutal.

My daughter and I got the vacine back in November.

Would the CDC or MSM even dare to quantify how many of the "swine flu" illnesses or hospitalizations were related to having taken the vaccine itself?

Yes, new vaccines are rigorously monitored. There's nothing to report. The vaccine didn't kill us all. I'm sure you'll find a way to explain why the sky is still falling, though.

As for the vacine, we had Zero, Nada, zip, side effects.

My shoulder didn't even hurt, from having the shot.

My shoulder didn't even hurt, from having the shot.

Would the CDC or MSM even dare to quantify how many of the "swine flu" illnesses or hospitalizations were related to having taken the vaccine itself?

Would L or R contrarian dare to quantify how many times he's full of shit?

It's too bad (fortunate for LRcontrarian) that we don't have a vaccine for bullshit.

It's too bad (fortunate for LRcontrarian) that we don't have a vaccine for bullshit.

Oh, there is a vaccine. It's called common fucking sense.

It's one of those things where once you're obviously full of shit, it's too late. Like rabies, you've got to give the vaccine before the patient become symptomatic.

As for LR, well... he's frothing at the mouth like Old Yeller.

50 million - what a cool number.

As for LR, well... he's frothing at the mouth like Old Yeller.

Hand me the 30-30.

#12 | Posted by L_RContrarian

Nearly forgot.

Ad hominem.

BACON, BACON, BACON!!!!!!!

"[O]n Thursday, the CDC released a study that found American Indians and Alaska Natives have died from swine flu at a rate four times greater than other Americans.

So much for government run health care. Please, sign me up.

I had it in November and it really sucked.

"Swine Flu Has Now Killed 10,000 In US?"

"When did the number of swine flu deaths in the US shoot up to 10,000?

On December 10, 2009 the Center For Disease Control released its Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Influenza Cases, Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States' which puts the number of fatalities from H1N1 in the US at roughly 9,820. (For the record, a typical flu kills 36,000 Americans a year on average.)

And yet according to a December 11, 2009 report (a pdf file) from the EU's version of our CDC, the European Center For Disease Prevention And Control, the total number of fatalities for the United States is only 1,929.

The ECDC claims that the total number of H1N1 deaths for the entire world is only 10,567."

"CDC: 50 million sickened by swine flu."

source: East Anglia e-mail

Source? I thought it came from Recovery.gov

KBM, it's really hard to determine how many people died because of the flu this year. Practically all infections this season have been caused by the new H1N1 virus. After the virus outcompeted the other seasonal strains, it became a waste of resources to test everybody who came to the hospital with a respiratory infection. The low figure you cite reflects the only lab-confirmed infections.

It's the complications of influenza that kill most people, though - generally bacterial pneumonia. People get sick at home with the flu, contract a bacterial infection on top of that, and when they show up in the ER it their illness may get chalked up to a bacterial infection (at least as far as statistics are concerned). If you include deaths from pneumonia or influenza-like illnesses, the figure becomes much larger. The number of deaths may be comparable to previous years, but in those years all of the deaths are split between multiple influenza viruses. This season, one virus accounts for the overwhelming majority of people sickened or killed. That's a big deal.

.02% Mortality. Astounding.

If that is correct Seasonal flu is far more deadly. It rarely hits pandemic levels; but on the average year, the seasonal flu kills around 36,000 to 40,000 Americans and hospitalizes around 200,000.

Zombie - "Practically all infections this season have been caused by the new H1N1 virus."

That is incorrect sir. For a short period of time (about 3 months) the primary cause of flu was H1N1 in this country. They did quit testing most individuals though and assumed all cases were H1N1. It didn't out compete - it was just the first wave. The second wave of Flu is just building. H1N1 had peaked here before the primary flu season even began. If you go back to the first part of this year, H1N1 was NOT the primary flu.

I have been following this pretty closely because I think way too much was made of it by the media.

It's too bad (fortunate for LRcontrarian) that we don't have a vaccine for bullshit.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2009-12-10 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag: Still In Denial over Prozac, Swine Flu Insert contents.

Zombie hits the nail on the head, it's the complications of the flu, namely pneumonia, that's so dangerous. IF you get really sick, and it moves into your chest, you should really see a doctor.

This past May, I had started with the flu on a Monday and by Wed. It developed into pnemonia. I never got so sick so fast.

It was well over two months before I really felt like myself again.

It's nothing to mess around with.

They did quit testing most individuals though and assumed all cases were H1N1. It didn't out compete - it was just the first wave. The second wave of Flu is just building.

There is still testing being done, but it isn't being done systematically as part of an attempt to track an emerging virus. It's just not practical to test everyone with an influenza-like illness. Testing is still being ordered by hospital physicians who need to determine what is making their patient sick, and those results are still being reported to the CDC. Ever since the virus became so widespread, though, the sort of comprehensive surveillance you saw during the spring became impossible.

Every year we have to put up this stupid flu du jour from the medical establishment. The technique of scaremongering and pretending to be savior has roots in ancient religions. It always seems to work on the votaries.

It's just not practical to test everyone with an influenza-like illness.

Translation: they're calling anything with cold and flu symptoms, H1N1. My boss was convinced he and his family had H1N1. I asked him if he had a blood test. He said, no. That's typical.

The overwhelming majority of lab-confirmed cases this flu season have always been the new H1N1 strain.

Yeah sure. All the other pathogens magically disappeared.

The technique of scaremongering and pretending to be savior has roots in ancient religions.

You've described exactly why the blatant lies of the antivaccine movement are so persistent. Snake oil salesmen have exploit a panic with no rational basis in order to perpetrate fraud under the auspices of shamanism. And fools like you keep them in business...

they're calling anything with cold and flu symptoms, H1N1.

No, they're calling it influenza-like illness. Just like they have in years past. The only difference is that the vast majority of the lab-tested cases of influenza-like illnesses are the 2009 H1N1 strain. No amount of your bullshitting will change the data.

All the other pathogens magically disappeared.

That's not what I said at all. You would be able to see that more clearly if your head wasn't buried so far up your ass.

That's not what I said at all.

I know. That was sarcasm.

You would be able to see that more clearly if your head wasn't buried so far up your ass.

I've been around too too long to be fooled by your bullshit.

I've been around too too long

You know what they say about old dogs and new tricks. Especially tricks like basing a line of reasoning on facts and knowing what the hell you're talking about before spewing pseudoscientific vomit across cyberspace.

I've been around too too long to be fooled by your bullshit.

It isn't my bullshit. It is the work of untold thousands of highly trained individuals who have devoted their time to studying things you are unwilling to even try to comprehend. You demonstrate your own willful ignorance every time you mindlessly dismiss the massive amount of evidence these men and women have gathered. Your consistent failure to support the rubbish you post doesn't really help you, either.

Ah, but what the hell do those scheming scientists know anyway? No peer-reviewed publication can hold a candle to the untenable ramblings of a miserable old fool.

Flu, shmoo. 2012 will solve that problem.

2012 will solve that problem.

I should start taking bets on the number of suicide cults that pop up that year.

I'm sure there's a line on it. In Vegas you can bet on anything.

Vegas? England probably a better bet, so to speak.

#14 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-12-10 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag: "It's called common f*cking sense. It's one of those things where once you're obviously full of shit, it's too late" [Z #18]

Yes, new vaccines are rigorously monitored. There's nothing to report. The vaccine didn't kill us all. I'm sure you'll find a way to explain why the sky is still falling, though.

Ho hum, another scare story. I bet that a lot of those deaths had another contributing factor besides H1n1.

Let do that math and figure out the percentage of persons who die, compared with how many get the flu.

(10,000.00/50000000)*100= .02% death rate

add in the lie/exaggeration factor and this is what I come up with:

.01% of the people who get the swine flu will die (10 out of 1000)= media scare story, crap news along the line of the golfer/girls story.

Ho hum, another scare story.

The media botched coverage by fueling alarmism early on, but there is a difference between a poorly covered story and an insignificant story. Nobody knew what this emerging virus was going to do in those first weeks. It was not a cause for panic, but it was definitely cause for due caution.

It is no small thing for a pathogen to jump the species barrier, outcompete its next of kin, and spread worldwide in a short time. Even with something like the influenza virus it only happens once every few decades. In Mexico it appeared to be rather virulent, and a good chunk of the world's population was susceptible. The evolutionary courses of the 2009 pandemic virus and other seasonal viruses still remain unclear. It would be foolish to ignore them, but they're also not any reason to void your bowels on the spot. It seems some people know only how to do one or the other.

.02% death rate

It is still too early to put a firm number on that figure, but mortality is probably nothing out of the ordinary for seasonal flu. It's just one virus that accounts for most of cases of influenza since April and it's causing more complications in a younger, healthier demographic. It's been transmitted from humans to swine and poultry. These and several other things are out of the ordinary.

All of the mortality estimates I have seen range between 0.01-0.1%. That figure is going to vary depending on whose data you use - US and Mexico are going to look very different. You also have to remember you got 0.02% by comparing an estimate of total US cases to only the deaths confirmed by a positive test result. You need to evaluate the same information from each country using the same criteria. It's not smallpox, but you definitely don't want it.

Ticky, it's not that they die. It's the resources expended keeping them alive.

You know, like on the battlefield, it's better to wound an enemy soldier, because that will put two or three more enemies out of action tending to him.

You know what they say about old dogs and new tricks. Especially tricks like basing a line of reasoning on facts and knowing what the hell you're talking about before spewing pseudoscientific vomit across cyberspace.

Oh Pulease! Common sense should tell you that nutritional means should be exhausted first before injecting people with foreign substances with potential to do harm. For one, the connection with Vitamin D and flu season is well established, but there's too little money in promoting increased intake.

It isn't my bullshit. It is the work of untold thousands of highly trained individuals who have devoted their time to studying things you are unwilling to even try to comprehend.

Even science is not immune to being turned into religion. Diet and nutrition comes first above all else, a fact which your type are unable to comprehend.

Ray if you are diagnosed with pancreatic cancer will you choose chemo or just adjusting your diet.

Ray if you are diagnosed with pancreatic cancer will you choose chemo or just adjusting your diet.
#49 | POSTED BY JACKASS

There is no cure for pancreatic cancer. Chemotherapy only increases the suffering. Of course, pancreatic cancer doesn't just happen. It has much to do with diet and emotions that stress our bodies to the point of exhaustion. Death can be delayed, but it can't be reversed.

To hell with science, everyone must dance to the tune of Barry;s narch toward socialism, where everyone is equally miserable.

My objection to the pumping of this story is twofold. One, it is being overhyped because the media loves pumping up a story, it attracts viewers, I think we all know that's true.

Two, even if the death rate goes up, to me it is just another facet of the life/death cycle. Americans (in genreal) are very unrealistic about accepting the reality of the life/death cycle. For example a hypothetical: an old man with diabetes, heart failure and dementia has a large stroke and is in a coma. Well his health to start was very poor, what do you think his health will most likely be when/if he regains counciousness? But his family, in a lot of cases will not accept this logic and will fight tooth and nail to have him kept alive, because they cannot accept death as a natural part of a life/death cycle.

Ticky, it's not that they die. It's the resources expended keeping them alive.

You know, like on the battlefield, it's better to wound an enemy soldier, because that will put two or three more enemies out of action tending to him.