It's cool, the dude was black.

Be prepared.

Illegally executing a prisoner-of-war is ok...
But let's ban gays! WTF?

Be Well.

Any chance to knock down a good thing eh RCADE? This makes the front page? Please.

#4 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-12-09 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Not everything about the scouts is good, but eh guess that doesn't matter to the den leader.

LM

Not everything about the scouts is good, but eh guess that doesn't matter to the den leader.
LM
#5 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-12-09 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag

Besides disallowing gays to be troop leaders, what do you disagree with in the scouting program? The "be prepared" part? Or the "trustworthy, loyal helpful, etc." part? Having been a scout growing up, I can tell you the program kept me outta plenty of trouble, taught me several life skills worth having (besides knot tying of course!), and even helped the community out. As far as organizations go, the good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.

"The boy scouts must be destroyed unless they allow gay scoutmasters to diddle little boys"

US Liberals

The boy scouts must be destroyed unless they allow gay scoutmasters to diddle little boys"

US Liberals

#7 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

I think your confusing them with catholic priests.

Baden-Powell was also a pedophile.

Loved having boys around him....kept up the...umm....morale.

taught me several life skills worth having (besides knot tying of course!),

Bartimus

LOL How many times have you had to tie a knot to save your life?

Boy Scouts are all about playing kiddie soldiers.

Boy Scouts are all about playing kiddie soldiers.

That's very true, and if you want to become a real soldier advancing through the ranks to Eagle Scout will get you noticed.

Red Dawn was accurate in calling them a paramilitary organization.

That being said I have little problem with them. I just see them for what they are. They've tarnished their reputation in recent years though, with the discrimination against gays and atheists. Some of my friends with more agenda-oriented parents were Indian Guides for those political reasons.

I wonder if I would have been a Scout had the atheist thing flared up during my Scouting days. I think I knew they didn't support atheists like me but I was really only there for the camping and cookouts anyway. And I suppose having to pledge allegiance to a nation "Under G-d" in public school five times a week taught me that the bigotry was baked into the system, too much for one little Boy Scout to fight.

And oddly enough it seemed very "gay" to me that a bunch of boys stood in a prayer circle holding hands at the end of each meeting. But anything that compelled me to touch other boys seemed gay at that age I suppose. Remember wrestling in gym class?

There are days I come here for the entertainment and the perspective. Other days I come here and wonder how this many sick sonsofbitches found this place at one time. Today is one of those days.

The Boy Scouts is a great organization. Why are you gay people so obsessed with joining a group you hold in such disdain. You people have rejection issues.

I was kicked out for eating Brownies.

Charles Whitman was an Eagle Scout; And a Marine.
He could shoot, too.

'Uwini, a leader of the uprising and who claimed magical powers protected him from gunfire, was cornered and agreed to surrender if he was not killed.'

'Uwini was placed before a military tribunal, which was not presented with the full facts of his capture, and then shot by a firing squad.'

Maybe this was just Lord Baden-Powell conducting a little bit of a test? If Uwini had possessed magical powers how cool would that have been? How would we have known for sure without Lord Baden-Powell?

"The boy scouts must be destroyed unless they allow gay scoutmasters to diddle little boys"

US Liberals

#7 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

Your name says it all.

It's not a matter of wanting to destroy the Boy Scouts. I've known a few Eagle Scouts -good men, all. The Scouts do indeed to a lot of good.

The issue is when they want to use my tax dollars either in direct funding or by means of land or facilities bought and maintained with my tax dollars. They have to decide whether they want the money and facilities or they want their bigotry. They can't have both. It's very simple.

Same thing goes for the Salvation Army. I used to give a lot to them until I found out they refuse to hire homosexuals. They pushed Bush to get federal funding while being exempted from anti-discrimination requirements. I've not given them a dime since.

Boy Scouts are all about playing kiddie soldiers.

#10 | Posted by dxlingr

Seriously? That's pretty stupid. It teaches kids about the outdoors. There is a little shooting, but hardly a mainstay of anything. Its more about camping and hiking than shooting guns. But what do I know. I only worked for them for a few years.

"Boy Scouts are all about playing kiddie soldiers."

Not to mention good little flag-waving, christian drones.

It's cool, the dude was black.

#1 | Posted by northguy3

I didn't think of that until you said it.

Fucking racist.

"Boy Scouts are all about playing kiddie soldiers."

Not to mention good little flag-waving, christian drones.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian

Your ritual is alive and well, Nulli.

"I think your confusing them with catholic priests."
#8 | Posted by greeneyedguy

I think you really mean Obama's Safe School Czar:

"Fistgate III: Obama's Safe Schools Czar's "Black Book" For Kids Included Tips on Fisting & Pi$$ing on Your Partner"

"Boy Scouts are all about playing kiddie soldiers."
wrong
"Seriously? That's pretty stupid. It teaches kids about the outdoors. There is a little shooting, but hardly a mainstay of anything. Its more about camping and hiking than shooting guns."
sorta wrong.

It's about survival.

One hundred and 25 years ago!

Your kidding!

So Baden-Powell tricks the murderer of 300 settlers to surrender on the basis that he won't be killed then orders his execution?

Tough shit. To apply today's PC crap to actions 125 years ago is anal if not plain stupid.

Anyone trying to diminish the good this person has done since that, due to this is frankly, insane.

Tying knots? I have used that, back in the days when I was flying a small plane. Get the knot wrong and either you are stuck looking a little stupid when you can't untie the plane, or worse, when the wind comes along and removes the plane you thought was safe.

[I can't imagine that ANYONE has ever used the know tying skills in a little bondage play, right?]

From The Article:

In his own account, Baden-Powell said: "In my defence I rather confined myself to the legal point that according to military law I had the power to exercise my own judgment if I was over 100 miles from a superior authority.

"I was over 100 miles from my general and over 1,000 miles from the governor, though had I been only 50 miles away I should have acted in the same way since summary punishment in the presence of his own people had given one the exceptional opportunity of smashing their belief in the Mlimo' (their god).

"It also gained their surrender and thereby saved the many lives which would have been lost, both among our own men and amongst the enemy, if we had had to continue our attack on ... their stronghold."

Spud grants that the circumstances that led to this execution were extra-ordinary but the mere fact that Baden-Powell went so far as to alter his own diary to reflect the lie that the Mlimo fired first indicates that Baden-Powell himself knew wot he did was wrong.

As his own kin states in the article this was an inglorious chapter in an otherwise exemplary life.

Spud also agrees with Valis @ #17 and Bartimus @ #6.

Full disclosure. Spud was cub scout/ boy scout dude fer years.

Aside from the useful knot tying previously mentioned above Spud learned about campfire songs, basic camping and survival skills, rock climbing, sailing, portaging, fishing, archery and perfecting the art of creating the perfect s'more.

As an atheist and an advocate for equal rights fer gay folks Spud can disagree with their policies and politics while still admiring the good they do.

Be Well.

/The talking tater o' doom is entering the Duelicious Retort once again as ya do
stage left.

Any chance to knock down a good thing eh RCADE? This makes the front page? Please.

It's an interesting story that's making the news now because of the document auction. If you think I'm so agenda-driven that I go looking for stories to dog the Boy Scouts, why do you come here?

(Incidentally, I was a scout for two years. That belt was SWEET.)

They've tarnished their reputation in recent years though, with the discrimination against gays and atheists. - GREENeyes

Tarnished? I think they have established themselves as having a moral standard and value system above most other organizations in a time when the nation continues the beat of "if it feels good do it".

It is a private organization - they can make their own rules. You are the one who is being so closed minded about letting a private organization choose membership qualifications. How many white members of the congressional black caucus are there?

It's an interesting story that's making the news now because of the document auction. If you think I'm so agenda-driven that I go looking for stories to dog the Boy Scouts, why do you come here?

(Incidentally, I was a scout for two years. That belt was SWEET.)

#27 | Posted by rcade at 2009-12-10 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Front page worthy? You are agenda driven. I come here as most others with opposing view points do - to try and understand how the other side thinks - as that is impossible with the likes of HERM, DANNI, JACKASS, CELISARY and other brain damaged liberal extremists who can only see red and blue on issues, I come to try and piss them off. Trite and infantile for sure. But the first few months I gave it the old college try. There is just no point in trying to have a civilized discussion on topics with people who can only say dem good repub bad. Bush bad obama good. Its old and tired - so what's the point. Change the format and attitudes will change.

#28 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Bravo

Agree 100%

You are agenda driven.

My agenda is to promote interesting news stories for a left-leaning audience that includes a lot of conservative and libertarians. It's not more complicated than that.

left leaning, that is an understatement.

My agenda is to promote interesting news stories for a left-leaning audience that includes a lot of conservative and libertarians. It's not more complicated than that.

Admit it, you're agenda is really to raise Kirk Cameron awareness and to take over the free world through the use of a purloined magic miter.

Kirk's an internet meme now but thank the FSM the Vatican were far too wily to fall fer fiendish scheme!

You may not have another agenda but the legendary Drudge gerbil certainly does.

"Boy Scouts" to spud is like the bell to Pavlov's dogs.

Ok... I see people mixing up the Scouts mentioned in the article with the Boy Scouts of America. Lord Baden-Powell was the founder of the Scouts in BRITAIN, not America. They are two separate organizations.

Two things about this I find disturbing...

The Boy Scouts are taking PRISONERS now?
AND they're executing them?

Wow! Prepping them EARLY for a slot at the CIA?

Wow! Prepping them EARLY for a slot at the CIA?

No, Dumbass. They are prepping for MI5. See my last post.

As a scout mom who has been involved with the organization for over 10 years, I would like to make some comments.

Their homophobia is completely unacceptable Why I am allowed to go camping with boys, but a homosexal man isn't, is beyond the pale.

There are a number of incredibly creepy paramilitary (virtually facsist) troops out there. Boys and parents who don't get off on this should be able to find a more laid back troop.

BSA taught my son leadership and teamwork skills I don't think he could get anywhere else. He's been camping in the Grand Canyon and Canada, he's snorkled in the Keys. The things he's learned are immeasurable, and I think he'll be a better man for it.

I contribute my time to my troop. I don't give money to the council, as they use it to pay for the defence of bigotry.

I contribute my time to my troop. I don't give money to the council, as they use it to pay for the defence of bigotry.

#38 | Posted by lazard63 at 2009-12-10 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, you are the bigoted one. Since when is a private organization not allowed to control its own membership criteria?

And allowing a female to be a den mother or assitant scout master and attending camping trips is different than allowing a homosexual male. Are you going to shower with the boys? If there are group showers, he is. Thanks for being so closed minded to other peoples rights and feelings.

And I never saw this so called para-military like behavior when I was in scouts, and I do not see it now while my son is in scouts. A few bad eggs maybe?

Why am I bigoted? If all of their troops were sponsored by non-public associates (churches and the like), then I would have no problem with them being as homophobic as they wish. However, since they often hold meetings at schools and other public venues, then that means my tax dollars are supporting their bigotry.

Haven't been involved in scouts lately, have you? It is specifically against the rules to allow adults to sleep or shower with the boys - no matter their gender. All interactions with the boys are required to have two-deep leadership. Meaning, no adult is EVER to be alone with any boy/s. Again, why am I trusted to go on camping trips with the boys, but my gay brother-in-law isn't? What's the difference?

It's great that you haven't seen the paramilitary crap, but I have. There were a few troops that we looked at when my son was a Webelo that completely creeped both of us out.

No, Dumbass. They are prepping for MI5. See my last post.

#37 | Posted by moomanfl at 2009-12-10 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Has sarcasm detector-waiting to re-enroll in first grade to learn how to read it.

You're welcome-Dumbass!

So what.
Harry truman killed 200,000 Japanese with a nook.

They've tarnished their reputation in recent years though, with the discrimination against gays and atheists. - GREENeyes

Tarnished? I think they have established themselves as having a moral standard and value system above most other organizations in a time when the nation continues the beat of "if it feels good do it".

Oh, they have a "moral standard and value system" all right. It just happens to be intolerant of homosexuals and atheists.

That's their right, but it also means they should go it alone.

If they were as principled as you claim, they would reject any government assistance. Their ideology is incompatible with various State and Federal regulations against discrimination based on sexual preference and religious ideology.

I guess the Scouts are just principled enough to not allow homosexuals and atheists in, but not so morally inflexible as to give up the use of public facilities funded in part by homosexuals and atheists.

It just happens to be intolerant of homosexuals and atheists.

EVERY ORGANIZATION IS INTOLERANT OF SOMETHING DIPSHIT. EVERY HUMAN BEING IS INTOLERTANT OF SOMETHING.

Now, please go on with your suppression of the beliefs of others. If gays and atheists want to start their own scout like organization, nothing is stopping them. However, the anti-freedom people like yourself and other libtards who claim "biggotry" or "intolerance" when it disagrees with their opinion seem to think a private organization like the Boy Scouts should not have the same right.

Public facilities funded by gays and atheists? Quite a fucking reach snoopy.

LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

First of all:

Baden Powell never was either:

A pedophile or a believer in making Scoutng a para-military group.
I know... I have read/studied every single book he has ever written, plus well over 500 of his letters, manuscripts.

HE WROTE AND LECTURED VIGOUROUSLY AGAINST BOTH.

This particular military action took place LONG before Scouting even occurred to him while he was in the military fighting in a war in Africa at the time.

Baden Powell was investigated for the decision,and was cleared of any wrong doing at time it took place.
Baden Powell made the best decision, at the time, and none of us are smart enough to second guess him-or his commanding officers.

Baden Powell,NOR the British Scout Association banned gays in Scouting.

In fact they have publicly stated so for a number of years -that GAYS ARE ACCEPTED IN THE U.K. SCOUT ASSOCIATION.

Other national Scout Associations DON'T BAN THEM EITHER.
Some do, some don't..

Other Baden-Powell Facts:

He encourage Bristish boys to get along with Muslim Boys, in Afghanstan, as early as IN the early 1900's.

He supported integrated scout troops (white and blacks) against the wishes of other Scout leaders in the 1920's in South Africa and also in India who want to keep them out.

Baden Powell was one of the very first, of his day,to accept equality for blacks and other ethnicities- well into the mid 1900's..

Long before, I suppose our grandparents did..

Baden Powell was so feared by Adolf Hitler that he was on the "Nazi Hit List of top 25 leaders to Assassinate" in the early Nazi years.

Baden Powell- wrote extensively about assimilating Jews,Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists. all others- into one- youth movement that would help mold young boys to world peace.

Baden Powell- wrote and encouraged environmental practices, that most of us didn't embrace unitl the 1970's- including lightweight camping impacts, recycling and the dangers of pollution.

Baden Powell- wrote of the dangers of smoking as early as the 1890's.long before any one else did..
He wrote extensively about it, with much despair.

Baden Powell- wrote,and encouraged and started a young girl's scout association,in the UK, and was to be active in a mutual scouting organization, started by him- along with his sister and his wife- against severe criticism of the time that women should be domesticated and less than equal to that of their husbands.

He supported equal rights for woman,and was an early believer in their right to vote.

He was an believer in science and evolution, and yet still believe in a God, with a Supreme Believer for all to chose how they practiced their faith.

Was Baden Powell perfect ?
No

Was he a MAN MADE OF HIS TIME?

Yes

Are you prejudging?

about a MAN NOMINATED 5 TIMES FOR THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE?

Who couldn't accept it because of World War2 ?

Don't confuse what you think you know about a man.. by what you are confused about today..

By some one who knows.