soooo this is reform in name only? WTF is the majority doing?

What a useless bunch of folks these fuckers are. I am deeply disapointed in these shmucks.

:+( Tears.

Larry

WTF is the majority doing?

They're saving their political careers---and by default, not betraying their country.

Produce a goddamn bill that actually has something to do with health care and isn't a massive transfer of wealth designed to force people into behaviors deemed acceptable to leftist shit.

Ditto with this Cap and Trade farce.

Always condemning leftists ehhhhhhh Pinch?? Why am I NOT surprised. Sighhhhhhhhhhh.

Larry

You know why even have congress if they aren't going to look out for the welfare of the little guy. I mean it's like they are just a stumbling block for progress. I guess that's why they call congress

You know why even have congress if they aren't going to look out for the welfare of the little guy. I mean it's like they are just a stumbling block for progress. I guess that's why they call congress Congress. Because they are against everything that would help average Americans as well as the little guy/gal. What a bunch of uselessness. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-12-09 12:21 AM | Reply

FUCKKKKKKKKKK let Me try this again.

Larry - why do you rely on government for your happiness and well-being? They've proven time and again they are incapable of running anything a tad higher than a kool-aid stand.

Larry, when's the last time you were a "little guy"? LOL.

Democratic Senators Agree to Drop Public Option

Corky Inconsolable

Im not sure why the dems aren't using the process of reconciliation where all they need is 51 votes.
The dems never can get there act together and vote as a block like the Pubs can. I think there are 10 or so Dems that are really closet Pubs. So are we even going to see pre-existing conditions qualify to get health insurance at the same rate everyone else is paying now or is that going to be dropped too. The Dems are caving and it seems so is Obama. I voted for him but not in 2012 cause he's too soft. Take a bow.

Im not sure why the dems aren't using the process of reconciliation where all they need is 51 votes.

Because their legislation can be repealed.

And who wants to squander political power for years by foisting legislation on a public that doesn't want it---especially when the resultant backlash ensures it will be repealed.

These people are fucking scum.

Oct. 01, 2009

U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said today there will be a "public option" in whatever health insurance reform bill comes out of Congress.

"We are going to have a public option before this bill goes to the president's desk," Reid said in a conference call with constituents, referring to some kind of government plan.

"I believe the public option is so vitally important to create a level playing field and prevent the insurance companies from taking advantage of us," he said.

October 26, 2009

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced what we've been reporting today - the merged health care bill will include a public option allowing states to opt-out.

Reid (D-NV) said after "countless hours" of talking to his caucus, there is a "strong consensus" for this plan. He said he will not submit a plan with a triggered public option to the Congressional Budget Office.

November 21st, 2009

In a press conference after the Democrats successfully rounded up enough votes to break a Republican filibuster preventing debate on the party's healthcare overhaul proposal Saturday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) signaled that members of his caucus are planning to water down the public insurance option originally proposed.

Sorry - LOL!

December 8th, 2009

WASHINGTON After days of secret talks, Senate Democrats tentatively agreed Tuesday night to drop a government-run insurance option from sweeping health care legislation, several officials said, a concession to party moderates whose votes are critical to passage of President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

And the goalposts keep on movin'! LOL

Health care for all is a pipe dream. Worst thing is that the republicans obviously don't give a shit. I wonder if they had a heart condition and desperately needed coverage but couldn't get it anywhere if they would change their position?

Ted if you lose your job and your insurance goes away and you can't get pvt insurance on your own will you still think public insurance isn't a good option?

Many Dems want government-run health insurance option.
Me no want government-run health insurance option.
Now, maybe, Dems not going for government-run health insurance option.
Me no like.
Why?
Don't know.
~Cook Tool

As usual, Sarvis started slurping sloe gin fizzes at 7:00 am again. Slow down, Doc. The sunlight just appeared, and you wanna make the day last until at least noon.

abortion provision defeated - front page

public option dumped - back page

What me like on front page - goooooood
What me no like on front page - baaaaaaaaahd
Me confoozled.
Maybe too much bong juice gargle?
~Cook Tool

We have the best congress an insurance company could ever buy.

Deeply disappointed in these fucktards.

Always condemning leftists ehhhhhhh Pinch?? Why am I NOT surprised. Sighhhhhhhhhhh.

Larry

#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-12-08 11:57 PM | Reply |

huh?

#25 - Jak - who used to be "Pinche Mao". You happened to choose a former portion of his nomenclature. Live with it!

Remember to keep your ashtray and your drink on different parts of the desk, Doc.

#27 | Posted by cookfish | Flag: Bong Water Shoots One More Day To Hell

Congress is irrelevant.

-The EPA

#27 | Posted by cookfish | Flag: Bong Water Shoots One More Day To Hell

#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-12-09 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag: COOKING SHERRY SHOT MY WHOLE MONTH TOO

Love watching the dems here promoting this plan on the merits - or even the plan they want on the merits.

Doc seems to be amused using his PhD to speak caveman and try to personally attack someone who is posting that Harry Reid can't tell the same story twice.

Larry has already signalled that he cannot add anything tot he debate but still thinks someone else should pay for his insurance (See knee jerk post 4).

Jackass indicates that he thinks the public option is Free (otherwise someone with NO money would not be able to afford it anyway).

What a day!

Which number is greater, class? The amount of Brandy Alexanders consumed by Doc since sunrise, or the number of tissue boxes discarded by Corky since last night?

Told ya so.

COOKING SHERRY SHOT MY WHOLE MONTH TOO
#30 | Posted by The_Chapel

Gee, that's a sooprise, Gnubsy.
Not as bad the drugs that blasted your entire life, though, eh?

Which number is greater, class? The amount of Brandy Alexanders consumed by Doc since sunrise, or the number of tissue boxes discarded by Corky since last night?
#32 | Posted by cookfish

Answer: The bong water cocktail strained through Cook Tool's Depends.

#25 - Jak - who used to be "Pinche Mao". You happened to choose a former portion of his nomenclature. Live with it!

#26 | Posted by nanc at 2009-12-09 09:15 AM |

Ah, I see.

I can live with that... just like what Mr. James Brown once said: "living in America - got to have a celebration!"

Conferenceby Jim Hoft
In March 2000 the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) organization of Massachusetts held its 10 Year Anniversary GLSEN/Boston conference at Tufts University. This conference was fully supported by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Safe Schools Program, the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and some of the presenters even received federal money. During the 2000 conference, workshop leaders led a "youth only, ages 14-21″ session that offered lessons in "fisting" a dangerous sexual practice. During another workshop an activist asked 14 year-old students, "Spit or swallow? Is it rude?" The unbelievable audio clip is posted here. Barack Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Kevin Jennings is the founder of GLSEN. He was paid $273,573.96 as its executive director in 2007. Jennings was the keynote speaker at the 2000 GLSEN conference.

this is disgusting but so is the guy, and it is so beautiful he is in the O's admin, let the controversies continue. and dont think people like this in his admin are a mistake they are there bc of what they are and what he wants to force on our country

Desperation at Moveon.org. LOL:

Alarming news: thanks to a tiny minority of conservative Democrats, the public option could be dead within days. But Harry Reid can still save it, and we need him to act fast. Can you sign an emergency petition to Sen. Reid today?

this is disgusting but so is the guy, and it is so beautiful he is in the O's admin, let the controversies continue. and dont think people like this in his admin are a mistake they are there bc of what they are and what he wants to force on our country

#37 | Posted by scooter28054

You're disgusting for posting that.

Cookfish

#38: Thank you for the good news! LOL!

I have mixed feelings here. If the public option stays in the bill will not pass and life is good. If the public option goes away, we may get something that we don't like. It is impossible to say with all of the transparency that has occurred since acorn was sworn in, everything that happens seems to be behind closed doors and in secret meetings. There is change you can believe in! LOL!

Flash! American people may possibly get health care.... Cookfish in mourning.

Expanding Medicare to 55 will take a high percentage of medical expenses off the table, IF the premiums are low enough to be effective and high enough to pay doctors a reasonable amount.

Adding a public plan run by OMB, who runs the Fed Programs, could also be effective IF the law provides enforcement by the OMB of price/value controls.

This plan would be more robust than the current versions of public options being considered.

btw, if any other posters would like to join Cookfish as Authorized Corky and Doc Ass Sniffers, you can join Free Today Only, without paying the annual dues that we charge him.

To be fair, though, Cookfish has been against what he thought was called a "pubic option", as making any activity below the abdomen optional could significantly impact his main source of income.

Scooter what does THAT have to do with Health Care Insurance??

Larry

"If the public option stays in the bill will not pass and life is good."

Yes because then we can watch health care costs continue to spiral out of control, watch millions of American go bankrupt because they don't have health insurance and American businesses become less competitive due to the cost of health insurance. It's a win/win/win for the folks who brought us 11 Trillion debt, recession, outsourcing, unemployment, unnecessary wars and much more.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag Post 'O the Day... so far

This just goes to show Me that My Country is still a weak Country. Because Your only as strong as how You take care of the least of thee.

Larry

You're disgusting for posting that.

#39 | Posted by greeneyedguy at 2009-12-09 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which part and why? The part about spit or swallow, or the part about fisting?

Liberals will use any tool at their disposal to secure gratification, and as soon as the desire is fulfilled, be it some material want or simply an insatiable and narcissistic desire for validation, they quickly become bored and lose interest in their victims, all the while thinking only of satisfying whatever their next hedonistic craving might be.

Seems ALL public "Servants" are really hubritic liars.

read this:

Here's something to briefly distract you from the Telegraph's Pre-Budget report build-up: an online rumour claims that Sarah Brown's recent gibberish tweet "fvdfzsrsazxzzxcvbnmadgfhjjkqw
rtyuuuiop" was written not by her three-year-old son, Fraser, but very deliberately by her, so that the Prime Minister could include the anecdote in a speech this week.

Gordon Brown told an audience at an event to promote internet safety for children: "The people who follow Sarah, my wife, on Twitter received a message of gobbledegook which my younger son had bashed out on the keys and then pressed 'send' while she was out of the room." Mrs Brown joked afterwards on Twitter: "and in future I will turn my computer off when I am not using it to save energy and avoid junior tweet interference". Awwww, we all thought.

But The Media Blog draws attention to the fact that, when using Twitter via an internet browser, you can't post a tweet by pressing Send'. You have to move the mouse to the "update" option, and click. Could young Fraser Brown really have achieved this feat? Seems unlikely, doesn't it.

Is Sarah Brown's Twitter account anything more than a PR exercise for Number 10?

off news report this am

Everything is for attention.

PROMOTE INTERNET SAFETY: Invent a lie, blame the kidm, and then get internet laws passed cause we need internet safety!

here is how the weasels in politics always do it

1. MAKE A PROBLEM!
2. Blow it out of proportion (healthcare)
3. Pass more controlling laws to "solve" the problem you just made.
4. Blame someone else for the problem.
5. Claim you are the hero to save people from it

Same with healthcare. All they have to do is put everyone on medicaid problem solved, but the insurance liers are in charge of those trillions of buckes

It's a win/win/win for the folks who brought us 11 Trillion debt, recession, outsourcing, unemployment, unnecessary wars and much more.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

You mean the elected officials that we, well elected as a country?

What have YOU done to create jobs today DANNI - or are you just the typical lazy fucking lib waiting to suck on a big government tit? I know you like tits, but expecting one bigger than your mouth is unrealistic.

Tort reform, policies available in all 50 states - two fantastic options the party of blow ignores because it fails the main objective of the bill - more transfer of wealth. Go back to the bong DANNI.

We elected?

We did not elect them, we were given a choice between two weasels.
Dont matter how you vote between two weasels, you always get a weasel.
The system is set up so only weasels make it to the final countdown, what with mass hypnosis crushing any open candidate.

We didnt elect them

We just signed the contract with voting we should no longer VOTE and lend the appearance of a democratic election

What would they do if everyone didn't vote next time?

That would be great.

Tort reform... which effects something like 1/2 of 1 percent of medical expanses doesn't even have a GNOP approved solution, and busting up corporate monopolies is not on the Rethug agenda, so one wonder which party it is that El Stupido Supremo is talking about.

"What have YOU done to create jobs today"

Every time I spend money I do my part to create jobs....that's the little secret you idiots don't get.....when money is in the hands of average Americans they spend it and it creates jobs.
Now what have you done???? Eating your mom's food and living in her basement doesn't count for you but it does for her. She creates jobs you just mooch.

"Tort reform, policies available in all 50 states - two fantastic options the party of blow ignores because it fails the main objective of the bill - more transfer of wealth."

Hell with state's rights eh Elcid????

There is very little health insurance regulation on the federal level so the shills for the insurance industry thieves push this idea of allowing us to buy policies across state lines....because it would eliminate the state's rights to regulate insurance companies. Some like Elcid are too stupid to even understand the real reasons behind the talking point but others aren't so naive.

Danni and Corky are correct. If the savings or checks being written are under $500B, it's chump change according the these 2 Liberal Accounting Majors.

-chump change

Is that the same as Bush Bucks?

You know, the kind of money it was A OK to spend until January this year?

El Cid asks "What have YOU done to create jobs today DANNI - or are you just the typical lazy fucking lib waiting to suck on a big government tit?"

Danni replies "Every time I spend money I do my part to create jobs....that's the little secret you idiots don't get.....when money is in the hands of average Americans they spend it and it creates jobs."

But Danni hopes people don't remember that she used to OWN and RUN a business that employed people. She SHUT IT DOWN because she couldn't afford to pay for the employees health insurance. Didn't you post that Danni? Wasn't that the reason you terminated employment of those that worked for you and turned them into the street? If that is what you posted and it is true, Does that mean that A) increasing health insurance costs can cost people jobs and B) you have contributed to unemployment because you chose profit over people?

Please clarify this.

Some like Elcid are too stupid to even understand the real reasons behind the talking point but others aren't so naive.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Funny comment coming from someone who absolutely believes the government should be the #1 employer in the country. DANNI, you are by far the most disconnected individual on the retort when it comes to economic matters. You are so disconnected from economics I bet you carry Canadian dollars in your man purse.

I work in Land Development DUMMI - I create neighborhoods, construction jobs and service jobs through my work. I realize you probably have a large collection of name tags and hair nets from your previous work experience, so this is a strange concept to you - try to think above the janitor level of the organizational chart sometimes.

And the statement still stands correct:the main objective of the bill - more transfer of wealth. DANNI's main goal in life. You should change your screen name to Robin Hood.

Why can't we just stop ALL the contribution money!

We all know exactly what it means, the business that gave you millions and got you elected owns your ass. You will vote how they say, you will do what they say, when they say it, or next election they back your opponent.

Rightie/Leftie blah blah blah...they are owned WHORES, almost all of them on both sides have sold their votes. They know it, I know it, why don't YOU know it?

"We" (most of us) are completely UNrepresented! They get into office middle class and come out millionaires!

Hell with state's rights eh Elcid???? - DANNI

When the fuck did you ever care about states rights? Was it on abortion, or gay marriage? I don't remember. Idiot. Go back to the bong.

Always condemning leftists ehhhhhhh Pinch?? Why am I NOT surprised. Sighhhhhhhhhhh.

Larry

#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-12-08 11:57 PM | Reply |

huh?

#25 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2009-12-09 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Sorry about that. I was refering to Pinch Mao aka Jak Se Mao. Next time I will try and remember to add the Mao to the Pinch. I do apologize for the confusion.

Larry

If you have soooo much money you are worried about "the transfer of wealth" why are you sitting at your computer having trite arguments and not out enjoying it?

The only thing worse than not having money is having money and not knowing how to enjoy it!

-more transfer of wealth

Of course, the largest transfer of wealth in modern history has occurred in this country over the last 50 years.... from the poor to the wealthy.

Something so obvious that even Ron Paul and Paul Krugman both agree on it.

What a useless bunch of folks these fuckers are. I am deeply disapointed in these shmucks.

:+( Tears.

Larry

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr at

well you shouldnt be..IF you read the whole thing

so keep your chin up...goddamn dems are 'backdooring' govt option if you read more about it.

and of COURSE when that happens it will prove exacTLY what people like rush have predicted all along

Is that the same as Bush Bucks?

You know, the kind of money it was A OK to spend until January this year?

#54 | Posted by Corky

Exactly the same. Therefore, I don't understand your unwavering support of G.W. Obama.

States rights? We are the UNITED STATES not the divided states. We should be able to move anywhere in this nation and have the same rights, freedoms, system of government, taxation, marrige, and knowledge of those laws. Soon you will need a guide for each state to know what is legal, what is permitted, how to live, what taxes to pay...

Many of us don't even choose where we live, we have to transfer with jobs to advance, we move where our families are, we go where the military needs us, we need the peace of mind of knowing that no matter where we live in the UNITED STATES we are still in the UNITED STATES!

#64 - We are only united in certain matters - some states have elected to not go with the flow in certain issues. For instance, our state is beginning to exercise some of its own rights as are others.

- G.W. Obama

Historically, it has always been expensive to clean up after any Bush.

Historically, it has always been expensive to clean up after any Bush.

#66 | Posted by Corky

Don't worry. By the time Chocolate Carter is done, we won't have enough money left for a bucket of warm soapy water.

The money Obama is spending is to clean up Bush messes..... and Obama, unlike Bush with his wars and tax cuts for the wealthy, actually puts his expenditures in the budget instead of saying that our kids won't mind paying for said optional wars and tax cuts.

"When the fuck did you ever care about states rights?"

The morons like Elcid don't understand the talking points they post and when they are explained as to the concept of states rights and insurance regulations they become disoriented almost as if their talking point masters are leading them along without telling them where they are going.

"By the time Chocolate Carter is done, we won't have enough money left for a bucket of warm soapy water."

Hmmm who followed Carter??? Wasn't it that president who left behind the first 3 trillion of debt???? Yeah, that guy that sold weapons to our enemy Iran, you know the one who wanted to supply the Contras in Nicaragua with weapons so they could defeat the Sandanistas and Daniel Ortega....real successful there....guess who the president of Nicaragua is right now????

nice work danni

you fucked up the whole thing with the 2nd word you used.

its nice that this subject came up. I am presently reading "what would the founders do" by berkhieser.
Its pretty interesting stuff and right Now IM on the chapter talking about federalism and how its changed and the same today.

now I know that us texas trailor trash morons just aint smerts enouffin to understaind all that there highclass eddukational stuffs but
SHIT FELLERS....kaint blame noones fer trying........

Hmmm who followed Carter???

Posted by danni

You must have enjoyed the days of 15-17% Interest rates. Don't worry, you'll get to relive those swell times again.

it was the president who got us out of a recession as close to this one than this one is to the depression.
he won the cold war with maggy and the pope and there is NOTHING you will ever say to change that.

he also brought in billions more to treasury with TAX CUTS and its not his fault that for every dollar he brought in the DEMOCRAT Congress spent a dollar and almost a quarter.

so you can keep up the history revision all you want. it just wont work.

"You must have enjoyed the days of 15-17% Interest rates."

That was just Paul Volker trying to battle the inflation left over from Nixon/Ford....Ford will be eternally remembered for his WIN buttons.

and ALL OF YOU

read what harry reid is doing with this so called DROP of option.

it is NOT that simple and you know damn good and well that its govt option with a new name and a new way to get to the ultimate goal

SINGLE PAYER

talking point masters are leading them along without telling them where they are going.

#69 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Funny - have you EVER had an ORIGINAL thought DUMMI? Somehow, I doubt it. Your taskmasters at the ACLU and AFL-CIO provide all the thoughts you need right DUMMI?

Management bad - Worker good
Republican idea bad - Democrat idea good

The only two thoughts DUMMI ever has.

he won the cold war with maggy and the pope and there is NOTHING you will ever say to change that.

Except the truth, but we know how allergic the right is to that. Better to avoid the sneezes and just say "All Hail Saint Reagan" instead.

AND BOTTOM LINE TO All of this

this will cost jobs and increase taxes and it STILL wont cover more than a few million people.

BUT DONT WORRY

IRAN will divert our attention real soon as MORE of them are in the streets BEGGING for us to help them while obama AGAIN sits there with RHOMS thumb up barrys ass.......

i guess you are about to have one of those famous
GORBY-ASMS????

What won the cold war for America is what is about to win it again for Russia- waging a pointless and unwinnable war in Afghanistan.

AgAIN

Im looking forward to hearing from senator nelson who said that without abortion language and with a govt optio he would join the republicans

my bet is he will be just another goddamn democrat lying sack of shit and vote yes anyway

BUT HOW WILL lincoln from arkansas vote?
polls in arkansas are said to have her behind FOUR republicans who noone hardly even knows their name.

IRAN will divert our attention real soon as MORE of them are in the streets BEGGING for us to help them while obama AGAIN sits there with RHOMS thumb up barrys ass.......

Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-12-09 11:50 AM | Reply

You want to start another War BLT??? What a fucking dumbass. We can't even deal with the two that we have going already and now You want another??? Why don't YOU Yourself go over there and fight them if that's what You want. You and Your ilk just piss Me off so damned bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry

kanrie

please.......have you ever read anything from the meeting between RR and gorby at reyivick(sp)

russian officials who were there said they knew the end was near when RR walked out rather than give in to russian demands about 'star wars' and the buildup.

peace through strength.

pay off the insurance mafia.

cut medicare.

pigs at the trough.

no I dont larry

but I dont want another holicast either

or how about one of those muslims who was thrown off a plane recently..THAT NOONE HAS heARD ABOUT from staterun media..what if they got a little suitcase from tehran....and visited new york and chicago.
surely you wont suggest that it couldnt happen????

AND NOW more proof of facists in the obama administraion

EPA chief says they willl do what they say needs done even without the support of the congress of the united states...

see above

#64 | Posted by tygersilver

States rights? We are the UNITED STATES not the divided states. We should be able to move anywhere in this nation and have the same rights, freedoms, system of government, taxation, marrige, and knowledge of those laws. Soon you will need a guide for each state to know what is legal, what is permitted, how to live, what taxes to pay...
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This what the Founders wanted for this nation they wanted the States to do the governing. This way state governments would compete with each other, and the jobs the economy would move to the best states.

If we do everything at the Federal level you are stuck with what you get and your only option would be to leave the country.

The reason why Liberals/Democrats don't like things done at the state level is because they can't compete. New York and California are loosing taxpayers and business to the southern and mid western states due to cost of living/business.

A land developer talking about creating jobs...what a joke!

If (like most) you use independant contractors so you don't have to pay 100% of salary to workers comp.insurance, SSI, unemployment, and illegals for painting, cleaning, and anything menial then how many jobs are you creating? Do you offer all these workers HEALTH INSURANCE? How much does that cost per worker? You pay it or expect them to pay HALF or more of the menial wages you pay them?

Please tell us about the quality of all these jobs you are creating!!

The reason why Liberals/Democrats don't like things done at the state level is because they can't compete. New York and California are loosing taxpayers and business to the southern and mid western states due to cost of living/business.

#88 | Posted by 90c2cab at

BINGO BABY

perfect example

IN the middle of this economic shit

RIGHT AROUND A oorner from me on a beltway feeder, there are buildings going up on almost every corner and in between..

and in one spot opening by christmas will be a
whataburger, a donut shop, a cajun bar, and a new supermarket....(THERE goes THe dieT)

and why..because in TEXAS, we are governed by republicans.

"and why..because in TEXAS, we are governed by republicans."

Then are Republicans also governing China which has growth much higher than Texas????
What really is happening is that business will go where there are the fewest restrictions but it will also destroy the environment, hire the illegals, screw long term employees....yeah is's growth but is is progress???? Hardly.

well add up the jobs those businesses I mentioned alone.
but I guess they dont matter if they cant be counted in one of those 'fanthom districts' the dems talk about.

and you can guess that the donut shop and canjun bar will have ONE very good customer...LOL

The White House said nearly $600 million would awarded to help pay for major construction and renovation projects at 85 community health centers across the country ,why do we need this if everybody is going to be insured?

AND another report out of california

state set to cut some mammogram exams..

anyone else hear more of that??

IF TRUE....then here is comes...

and one thing that definitely will happen...
MEDicaiD to explode with milllions more on rolls and where does THAT money come from...
clue..its not washington dc

was about to leave when this POPPED up and have to include it as this thread moved a little towards a general states rights issue subject

REAL DaNGEROUS move from obama

This what the Founders wanted for this nation they wanted the States to do the governing. This way state governments would compete with each other, and the jobs the economy would move to the best states.

If we do everything at the Federal level you are stuck with what you get and your only option would be to leave the country.

The reason why Liberals/Democrats don't like things done at the state level is because they can't compete. New York and California are loosing taxpayers and business to the southern and mid western states due to cost of living/business.
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The nation and the world have changed...or haven't you noticed? Back then it was horse and buggy, most businesses could not sell goods and services very far, much less in other countries! People lived in one area their entire lives, it took days, weeks to travel to another state!

These are not party issues! Insurance portability, protection from "pre-existing conditions" exclusions, the ability to leave a job and keep insurance, the ability to keep a doctor who I know and trust even if my job changes insurance companies, and fair cost of insurance are about taking care of the most important resource we have, ourselves! We rake 37th or so in the WORLD, aren't you embarrased? I am! You should be!

#89 | Posted by tygersilver at 2009-12-09 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please continue to talk out of your ass. I said I worked in land development - not a land developer. Also, as a seemingly libtarded person, hiring illegals is a good thing right? Go back to your wii and contiue to play guitar hero - let the adults worry about creating jobs and wealth. You just make sure you hit the blue key at the right time.

let me leave you today with this wish

please read everything about this. it is real apparent that this is merely a way to get the 3 or 4 votes needed to get to the next step. they have no intention of keeping a govt option out of the final SO CALLED REFORM bill.......and that truth is there if you read long enough.

hasta laredo.

NO SNOW PREdicTed FOR houstOn today.

so ALGORE..you are off the hook for now........

We rake 37th or so in the WORLD - tygerlilly

Please look at the cancer/heart disease and other leading causes of death before posting "global warming quality" statistics.

"Please look at the cancer/heart disease and other leading causes of death"

That's terribly misleading. When you concentrate on wellness, the easily preventable diseases don't get you. That leaves the more genetic diseases, like cancer and heart disease. The fact is the higher rates on those causes of death proves just the opposite of the point you're trying to make.

#96 | Posted by tygersilver

These are not party issues! Insurance portability, protection from "pre-existing conditions" exclusions, the ability to leave a job and keep insurance, the ability to keep a doctor who I know and trust even if my job changes insurance companies, and fair cost of insurance are about taking care of the most important resource we have, ourselves! We rake 37th or so in the WORLD, aren't you embarrased? I am! You should be!
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tygersilve you are correct is shouldn't be a party issue, if you Liberals/Democrats want government health care, just pay for it yourself that eliminates the Republicans/Right. Make the taxes on all these social entitlements optional, and you eliminate the Republicans/Right. Its that simple.

That said we all know the Democrats/Liberals can't pay for it themselves, so that makes it a party issue.

The Republicans/Right don't want to pay for your stuff, they want to keep your greedy hands out of their paychecks.

#97 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-12-09 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fucking ass, you don't know me, I have managed medical offices for over 15 years with a degree in health care administration, I don't play video games, I am 44, I won't be labeled with any of you stupid party supporters, right left wingers who are all too retarded to know you support WHORES who sold their votes to get elected. As usual you ASSume, spout off without a clue about anyone who thinks, cares, knows it could be better!

You claim you create jobs, please tell us about them! Pussy! Frothing at the mouth rabid dog who would rather see people die than reform a corrupt insurance owned system!

to hell with the plubic option,i get medicaid it's free

a degree in health care administration - tygerlilly

Your classes obviously filled with football and basketball players.

Once again, quit talking out of your ass. I am for reform of insurance regulations to some degree. Not the broad sweeping govt. takeover option proposed by the left (notice I did not say democrats). Nor do I support total inaction which some on the right propose. People lived through most of history without health INSURANCE. Noone is denied healthcare or emergency care. So please take your fearmongering and shove it up your ass.

Oh, and I was president of the United States previously - wow it really is easy to make claims about my accomplishments on a blog.

The fact is the higher rates on those causes of death proves just the opposite of the point you're trying to make.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-12-09 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are the survival rates after detection Dan? That is the comparison which is directly related to Health CARE. Trying to compare death rates between countries is apples to oranges based on heredity and racial proclivity to certain diseases.

"People lived through most of history without health INSURANCE."

Life expectancy in 1909....47.

nuf said.

"What are the survival rates after detection Dan?"

That's another misleading stat. The US tests a lot more for prostate cancer, which isn't quite the killer like other cancers are, and if someone survives (almost certain) that's considered a "cancer survivor" in the statistics, so it skews the numbers.

"That is the comparison which is directly related to Health CARE."

Again, countries with universal health care concentrate more on the wellness aspect of health, which is one of the main reasons they cover a higher percentage of their populace for a lower percentage of their GDP.

"Trying to compare death rates between countries is apples to oranges based on heredity and racial proclivity to certain diseases."

But you went ahead and did it, didn't you?

Obamacare......to die for.

Life expectancy in 1909....47.

nuf said.

#106 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is the life expectancy of an unwanted unborn child in the womb of a libtard DANNI? Oh, life expectancy only matters when you want it to.

Emergency health services in 1909? Diet information? Toothpaste use? Exercise as it relates to health information? Idiot - like health insurance is the only reason the life expectancy age is higher now. Go back to your bong.

Oh, life expectancy only matters when you want it to.

Life expectancy only matters when you're viable, dumbass.

But you went ahead and did it, didn't you?

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-12-09 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought I was comparing SURVIVAL rates after diagnosis? The death rate of lung cancer without diagnosis is 100% - anywhere regardless of insurance or quality of health care.

So countries with universal healthcare concentrate on the wellness aspect of health? You really think providing healthcare to the poor is going to change their diets? Stop them smoking? Eating popeye's fried chicken?

I thought liberals wanted the government to not have a say in what they put in their bodies. The concept of wellness will definately contradict that.

Life expectancy only matters when you're viable, dumbass.

#110 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-12-09 01:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

So in otherwords, there should be no liberals alive today? I'll go with that.

Go back to your bong

You could use a few good bong rips, cidley. You might sit down and actually think about what you post instead of throwing up the first inane response that flies through your skull.

Being High tends to make one overthink, not underthink.

"The death rate of lung cancer without diagnosis is 100%"

That's the same death rate as being born.

"You really think providing healthcare to the poor is going to change their diets?"

Yes. Study after study shows those who go to doctors regularly make better health choices. It may be a chicken-and-egg effect, but at the least it will allow doctors to communicate with the patients about better choices.

"Stop them smoking? Eating popeye's fried chicken?"

Yes, maybe. Aren't you willing to try?

"I thought liberals wanted the government to not have a say in what they put in their bodies. The concept of wellness will definately contradict that."

Do you ever read what you've written before you post, or do you just barf first, and count the chunks later?

#113 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-12-09 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

As opposed to the government can solve anything kneejerk reaction of the left? Please. Bong hits have served to make DANNI more of an idiot than she was when married to a man. Bong hits obviously have prevented you from a coherent definition of viable. I'll take a pass on the bong hit - you can share mine with DANNI and continue to "thinking" in your own dream world.

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The money Obama is spending is to clean up Bush messes..... and Obama, unlike Bush with his wars and tax cuts for the wealthy, actually puts his expenditures in the budget instead of saying that our kids won't mind paying for said optional wars and tax cuts.
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so you admit that massive deficit spending and rapid growth of government under Bush was the wrong direction. Now that Frozone wants to out spend Reagan,both Bush's and Clinton combined that is ok with you. Your "Party" and The Party will be over next election. The best form of government is one with checks and balances just like when Clinton and the Republican controlled Congress had to work together. Both parties have proves that controlling it all is nothing less than a Roman orgy of spending

Obamacare....Liagra prescription from DemoRats.

When all else fails just claim I'm a liar?

What about when you make a statement like this...

I work in Land Development DUMMI - I create neighborhoods, construction jobs and service jobs through my work.

Again, please tell us about the jobs you create! You already admitted you hire illegals...

Or a ignorant, untrue statement like this "Noone is denied healthcare or emergency care."

Hospitals all over the country are closing Emergency Rooms!

Medical expenses are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy.

You like the sound of your voice but lack any morals, integrity, ethics, or ability to investigate. You rant and rave about things you do not understand, insult those who do, for what? Do you get a thrill? Do you think you are converting anyone to your half-baked, untrue mindset? Are you running for office, do you hope to accomplish anything?

ELCID should give us a lesson in the benefits of not having health insurance. I really do want to know how I can make my life better by giving up access to health care.

"I work in Land Development DUMMI - I create neighborhoods, construction jobs and service jobs through my work."

You work with a shovel.

"Noone is denied healthcare or emergency care."

Gee...there's the answer. Substitute the most expensive cost-to-health ratio we have in society for the cheapest cost-to-health ratio.

Wow! Look at the size of those chunks!!!

#119 | Posted by tygersilver
You like the sound of your voice but lack any morals, integrity, ethics, or ability to investigate. You rant and rave about things you do not understand, insult those who do, for what? Do you get a thrill? Do you think you are converting anyone to your half-baked, untrue mindset? Are you running for office, do you hope to accomplish anything?
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There is no converting anybody, if you don't like this person ingnore him/her, but you can't you need people like him/her to pay for you stuff.

If the public sector was better than the private sector then the state of California would be better off than the state of Texas.

We all know the answer.

There are very few free market principles being practiced in the health care sector the government has a large presence there and that is the problem

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ELCID should give us a lesson in the benefits of not having health insurance. I really do want to know how I can make my life better by giving up access to health care.

#120 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would ask you to give a lesson on how the transfer of wealth by confiscation from those who create it to those who consume it has ever benefited a free nation - but the only thing one can learn from you is:

owner bad - worker good
republican bad-democrat good

Beyond that, you can only spew libtard rhetoric with the best of them. Please go back to the bong already.

You work with a shovel.

#121 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you don't work. Wow, what a fun day!

Again, please tell us about the jobs you create! You already admitted you hire illegals...

And you're a fucking liar - when did I say I hired illegals? I believe I mentioned how libtards thought hiring illegals was a good thing.

These are the major voting blocks for the Democratic Party: Unions, Lawyers, Federal employees, State employees, and Welfare people.
Unions get protected by the Democrats, Lawyers get protected by the Democrats, and Federal/State employees get protected by the Democrats, and Welfare people get protected by the Democrats.
If were not for the Democrats the Republicans would be a huge hurt on these groups.

You ever look at what a state employee for the State of Texas makes or what they get in benefits? Not much. Who dominates the electons? Republicans and Conservative Democrats.

Who wants government run health care? The groups mentioned above. Is it because they know it works well? No, they just no that they have a protected job thanks to the Democrats, and support them blindly.

Eliminate the Government vote and the Democrats would be in trouble.

"I would ask you to give a lesson on how the transfer of wealth by confiscation from those who create it to those who consume it has ever benefited a free nation"

Between the years of 1940 and 1970 we built the largest middle class in the world while we taxed the wealthiest at rates between 90% and 76%. Not that the wealthiest actually "create" the wealth but they did have the money resulting from the creation of wealth by the working class. Our middle class and our industrial base began to deteriorate when those tax rates were cut by Ronnie Raygun and have continued since.

"Eliminate the Government vote and the Democrats would be in trouble."

In other words disenfranchise millions of citizens.
Hey you mean like the South did for decades after the Civil War to black citizens.

#128 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where did they get their jobs from DANNI? Did the middle class create their own jobs? Who do you consider wealthy? Someone making 250k/year? Face it, jealousy plays a big part in the blue collar class mind. "What did that guy do to deserve his money?" "All he does is sit behind a desk while I shovel shit all day." "They have enough, we should spread it around" "It's not fair" "He inherited that money, he did not earn it so it's ok if we take it from him".

Did I miss one? Which is your favorite DANNI?

Reagan took office in 1981 DANNI, what happened between 1970 and 1981?

Read this and get over your BS line about the Reagan tax cuts:

"Which is your favorite DANNI?"

My favorite one is the one where we talk about the percentage of the budget dedictated to paying interest on the debt.

You know if nothing else at least We find out who really cares about their fellow citizenry and who doesn't during this Health Care insurance debate. They finally show their true hearts.

Larry

Tort reform... which effects something like 1/2 of 1 percent of medical expanses doesn't even have a GNOP approved solution, and busting up corporate monopolies is not on the Rethug agenda, so one wonder which party it is that El Stupido Supremo is talking about.
#50 | POSTED BY CORKY

These fucking morons don't understand bush jr initiated an experiment on tort reform in California and Texas.. the two largest recipients of healthcare in the country and came to the same conclusion you stated.

The ones on the Insurance TEAT is the REPUKES.. they have no incentive to bring down costs or to increase competition because that would kill profits.

As opposed to the government can solve anything kneejerk reaction of the left? Please. Bong hits have served to make DANNI more of an idiot than she was when married to a man. Bong hits obviously have prevented you from a coherent definition of viable. I'll take a pass on the bong hit - you can share mine with DANNI and continue to "thinking" in your own dream world.
#116 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90

Sounds like ole el-dickhead is about to stroke out with the hate of the bogey man left and all the evil socialist commies..

Must be scary being the minority and only you possessing the Cassandra sight with no one listening.

Our middle class and our industrial base began to deteriorate when those tax rates were cut by Ronnie Raygun and have continued since.

#128 | POSTED BY DANNI

yep.. it is being re-concentrated.

Hoax and change folks!

I see a Health Care Plan by Christmas, possibly with a robust public plan, which is a substitute for strong regulation.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-20 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag (X) LOL

What really is happening is that business will go where there are the fewest restrictions but it will also destroy the environment, hire the illegals, screw long term employees....yeah is's growth but is is progress???? Hardly.

#91 | Posted by danni at 2009-12-09 12:15 PM

Yeah. Wait and see how many large corporations ship jobs overseas when they are forced to pay for employees medical insurance at the inflated rate that follows obamacare. Of course, small businesses will just close the doors because the owners are simply too greedy to pay for employee health insruance to their detriment. Profits over people. Isn't that right Danni? I mean, you made that decision once didn't you? Even the great communist that you are chose your personal profit over your own employees. I guess when you were planning that decision you said, "Screw the long term employees." when you were cashing out?

You know if nothing else at least We find out who really cares about their fellow citizenry and who doesn't during this Health Care insurance debate. They finally show their true hearts.

Larry

#132 | Posted by LarryMohr

Larry,

i know you have some dread disease that is apparently preventing you from getting health insurance but let me ask you...

Have you bought a house for a homeless person? No? I guess you just don't care about your fellow citizens - especially during the coldest part of the year.

Have you purchased a car for someone that doesn't have one? No? I guess you just don't care if your fellow citizen is even able to exercise their right to travel.

You are pitiful. SIGH!!! I wish you weren't so greedy. I wish you cared more for your fellow citizens. Wouldn't this country be a better place if you did?

I know, why don't we get the Federal Government to FORCE you to buy a homeless person a house and give a car to someone without! If you don't we will just put you in jail. Now there is an idea.

Have you bought a house for a homeless person? No? I guess you just don't care about your fellow citizens - especially during the coldest part of the year.
Takes money to buy a house for someone. I ain't got that kind of money so that is a red herring A_Citizen which is typical for Your sorry asses on the right.

Have you purchased a car for someone that doesn't have one? No? I guess you just don't care if your fellow citizen is even able to exercise their right to travel.
Read My statement for the previous question because it applies here as well

You are pitiful. SIGH!!! I wish you weren't so greedy. I wish you cared more for your fellow citizens. Wouldn't this country be a better place if you did?
SAME ANSWER but do carry on with Your bullshit sp[ew A_Citizen because that's all You've got some sorry assed deflections which is typical

I know, why don't we get the Federal Government to FORCE you to buy a homeless person a house and give a car to someone without! If you don't we will just put you in jail. Now there is an idea.

#139 | Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-12-10 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Do carry on with being a typical right winged prick A_Citizen You are in "Good" company with that one.

If the bill in the Senate passes with out the public option it doesn't matter, private health insurance is going to be real expensive, because all the other provisions in the bill will add major cost.

This bill if it passes will still be able to wipe out private insurance even if there is no public option.

Larry,

I agree. I suggest that people like George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Payne, James Madison, and many other similar "extremists" would agree with me. I consider them to bee "good" company.

I suggest that you return to "the little red book" and refresh your supply of argument. the "Sigh...I should have expected that from a right wing prick" is getting way too old. I am certain that you have SOMETHING to add.

In response to my Red Herring, you contend that you don't have the money to buy a car or a house for someone else. (I'll bet if you did without a little bit you could save up and do that, but you just don't care about your fellow citizens.) Regardless, why do you think I have "enough" money that I can afford to pay for your health insurance? Isn't it interesting how "enough" is in the eye of the beholder?

#137 Yes, nearly prescient, eh?

Considering that you've been crying for a public option for months now, and that it just got yanked by your spineless heroes in the Senate, NO.

to hell with the plubic option,i get medicaid it's free

#103 | Posted by semtex111

surely you are being sarcastic..sometimes around here its hard to tell

ah yes....a politicians dream

cut half a trillion off medicare
already cut about 60 billion including to nursing homes.

and then get on tv and talk about how the other side is all about killing old people...

what bullshit.

I have no more respect for President Obama for not geting behind the Public Option sooner. These Senators have no idea whats going on. Most of their constiuents want the public option yet the Senators are not voting what the people want there voting what the lobbyists want. And the USA says Afganistan is a corrupt government. The most corrupt government in the world is the USA. Right on.

Joel,

If the majority of the people favored this kind of monsterosity, I promise you that we would already have it. The problem is none of the Dem senators want to go home for good in December of 2010.