1. Major General Umer Bilal
2. Brigadier Abdul Rauf
3. Lieutenant Colonel Fakhar
4. Lieutenant Colonel Manzoor Saeed
5. Major Zahid
6. Major (Retd) Shoaib
7. Naik Masood
8. Sepoy Abdul Qayyum
9. Sepoy Sarwar
10. Child Bilal Riaz S/O Major General Nasim Riaz
11. Child Ali Hassan S/O Colonel Shabbir
12. Child Hassan S/O Colonel Shukhran
13. Child Sadaul Hassan S/O Lieutenant Colonel Fakhar
14. Child Zamin S/O Engineer Akmal Hussain
15. Child Qaisar Khan S/O Syed Akbar
16. Child Adil Rauf S/O Abdul Raud
17. Child Muhammad Khan S/O Sultan Bakhsh
18. Child Fazal Khan S/O Madad Khan
19. Child Hashim
20. Name not known S/O Brigadier Sadiq
21. Child Name not known S/O Brigadier Mumtaz
22. Child Name not known S/O Colonel Qaiser
23. Child Name not known S/O Colonel Kaleem Zubair
24. Child Name not known S/O Lieutenant Colonel Shoaib
25. Child Name not known S/O Major Saleem
26. Child Name not known S/O Major Ahsan
27. Deputy Director NLC Taskeen
28. F/O Major General Awais Mustafa
29. F/O Colonel Kaleem Zubair
30. F/O Lieutenant Colonel Farooq Awan
31. Civilian Kahlid Javed
32. Civilian Ghulam Mujtaba
33. Civilian Javed S/O Ghani Khan
34. Civilian Muhammad Fiaz
35. Civilian Asad
36. Civilian Name not known

SUMMARY

Officers 06

Soldiers 03

Children 17

Civilian 10

Total 36

Children 17

Sick and tragic. My sympathies to the families.

To a question by some person who assumes this was a "sensitive area"..... somebody posted the following:
---------------
You really think it was a sensitive area? While coming from Peer Wadhai to Rawalpindi, the whole area is jam-packed with those Afghans.

Its really hard ( at least in this particular area) to keep an eye on every suspected terrorist.

Now the mosque where this blast took place is guarded only by two MPs who check those who enter the mosques. I heard a defence analyst on tv who was saying that the terrorists gunned down those MPs and then they moved to their targets.
---------------

Sick and tragic. My sympathies to the families.

Thank you for the sentiments.

All this will do is piss off the army and make them go brutal.

Nobody can stop a suicidal taliban but we can counter in ways that make them hurt. This attack was personal, as can be seen from the list.

Until we put every Afghan walking the streets of Pakistan into a cage or camp, such things shall continue. But of course being a democracy won't let us do that.

Part of the goal, I should think, is to spur the military and police forces within Pakistan to crack down very, very hard -- thereby alienating folks who might be persuaded to support the agents of destablization. All you can do is drain the swamp.

Video of attack.
#2 | Posted by Tosser

Any idea who took that video? Their location at the time it was taken shouldn't be hard to pinpoint.

Any idea who took that video?

Some guy with a phone camera. Everyone seems to have them these days.

All you can do is drain the swamp.

Waziristan is the last major place left in Pakistan for these people to hide and that is being drained very successfully.

However, it doesn't take a lot of people to plant a bomb or become a suicide-attacker. Only one or two or three.

And that is where the Afghan refugees come in. We know that where they get many of their recruits from.

We have closed a few camps and sent them home to their country, but it isn't enough by a long shot.

And that is where our lousy President and his lousier people come in, not doing what is necessary to protect the rest of us from these Afghans (many of whom have Pakistani papers now... they were born here).

"The strike was part of a wave of by Islamist insurgents that has killed more than 400 people in Pakistan since October."

Islam means 'peace'

Islam means 'peace'

Yes Vermin, it does. But try telling that to the taliban, who have been declared non-muslim.

Btw, Vermin means... vermin. LOL

Hey Tosser, this is all America's fault, right? Islam may mean peace, but clearly they aren't practicing very much of it. Good thing Lord Obama brought the world together in peace and prosperity. I'll bet those fucks behind the Nobel are eating their own shit.

Hey Tosser, this is all America's fault, right?

It's everyone's fault on many different levels.

It's the taliban's fault for hosting O'binbin.

It's America's fault for upsetting the apple-cart and not stopping them from coming into Pakistan and creating a "spillover".

It's our fault for electing a stupid President who is actually a mental patient and a crook.

It's also our fault for being a democracy. If this was the 1980s, you would've seen Afghan blood in the streets.

but clearly they aren't practicing very much of it.

Taliban are practicing zero Islam, which is why we now regard them as non-Muslim.

This classification makes it easier for us to kill them without any guilt.

This thread was hilarious

Oh... you find terrorism funny as hell...

Not surprising at all.

Tosser,
You have to understand that, to many in the West, a Muslim terrorist attack on Muslims really blows major holes in their entire world view. It will be a hard pill for them to swallow.

You have to understand that, to many in the West, a Muslim terrorist attack on Muslims really blows major holes in their entire world view.

I'm not sure I understand.....

Tosser,
They believe Muslims act as a hive and that there is uniform disgust with the Western lifestyle. Most cannot believe there is any strife between Muslims that is not about us. We have large egos. To know Muslims kill each other with the same wrath they kill destroys the entire "they hate our freedoms" argument and forces them to realize there are just bad people who do bad things and not one ideology against another.

that there is uniform disgust with the Western lifestyle

If you look at me up close at how I spend my day, you would swear I have a "western lifestyle", even though I would strongly disagree.

To know Muslims kill each other with the same wrath they kill destroys the entire "they hate our freedoms" argument and forces them to realize there are just bad people who do bad things and not one ideology against another.

Ah. Thanks for explaining.

This classification makes it easier for us to kill them without any guilt.

#12 | Posted by Tosser

Tosser (talking to God): 'But they murdered whole village!!'.

God: 'So you think it is okay to kill them?'

Tosser; 'It's what you said in your book'.

God; 'Which one?'

Tosser; 'The Koran'.

God; 'That's not my book'

Tosser; 'Well, which one is your book?'

God; 'The only book I ever wrote was The Iluminati Trilogy'. 'I did help write the Kama Sutra, but that was a long time ago, before I realized my children would rather control and kill each other than make love.'

Hey Tosser,

Been a while since I was here....

In fairness...

I have been looking at ole' Karzai. He looks alot more corrupt to me. Maybe a change in the guard is in order.

LOTS of Paki's in afghanistan. And alot of paki's driving trucks up and down those dangerous roads. I love the Jingle trucks, though....

yes it is americas fault.

These kinds of bombings weren't going on before the us stuck it's corporate dick in there.

Also quite revealing is the fact that we never get any video of civ/blackwater bombings. Those are top secret.

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But aren't things supposed to be great in Paki since the terrorist have all these US soldiers to attack as you claim. Also find it a sad fact that you have been claiming since SWAT that the terrorist are on their last legs in paki, yet bombings are escalating there!!!

LM

And in other news, millions have been massacred in The Congo and surrounding areas. No one cares because they have now oil, but the simmering war in the region makes it easier to feed the Diamond and Gold markets. If they ever start affecting that, we are really gonna be angry.

now oil = no oil

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That and Africa is predominantly black peoples......

LM

Also find it a sad fact that you have been claiming since SWAT that the terrorist are on their last legs in paki, yet bombings are escalating there!!!

What is sad is your lack of understanding of the dynamics of guerrilla wars and sabotage.

It only takes a few men... sometimes only one guy.... to set off an incident or a bomb.

I believe Israel has the best security in the world right now (far better than the US at least), but even THEY can't stop those "one or two guys" from setting off a bomb in the middle of civilians.

The small team... specially if the are suicidal and don't expect to make it back... often gets through.

As I have said many times before, even though Pakistan has successfully denied them areas of operation and kicked them out of Bajaur, Swat, Malakand and now Waziristan, they can always send a guy or two and do this.

I have been looking at ole' Karzai. He looks alot more corrupt to me.

Oh he looks corrupt to you NOW?

Better late than never to see how things really are.

Maybe a change in the guard is in order.

Nope. America has accepted Karzai and they are going to try and work with him, come what may, while he drags you down with him.

America could've called him out on his fake election results... they didn't.

There will be no change.

LOTS of Paki's in afghanistan. And alot of paki's driving trucks up and down those dangerous roads.

We bring you all your food, fuel, water and ammo. We keep the war going.

And we keep feeding this landlocked shit country of Afghanistan with those trucks.

Even then, the war-lords stop the trucks every few miles and take a "tax".

This makes the price of the fuel we send you to go up to $400 a gallon.

Dirty, third world, backward, upside-down failed muslim culture.

Well, these dirty taliban keep whooping your ass in Afghanistan and are taking back territory.

Not so backward when it comes to fighting, are they Champ? LOL

unfortunately the american empire isn't dead yet.

Nobody can stop a suicidal taliban but we can counter in ways that make them hurt. This attack was personal, as can be seen from the list.

#5 | Posted by Tosser

some CCW's tip their ammo - - it's not well publicized tho

Not so backward when it comes to fighting, are they Champ? LOL

Nope. Afghanistan is where empires go to die. Alexander the Great. Hannibal. The British. The Russians...on and on. We won't win there either.

We should've lobed missiles at Taliban strongholds and stayed out of there.

the american empire might manage to hold the territory for a while, but the only way it can 'win' is to commit open genocide.

We should've lobed missiles at Taliban strongholds and stayed out of there.

There is not even a proper target to lob missiles at... as the Russians discovered to their cost.

We miss Mushy. He kept a lid on those Muslim whackjobs. Actually, we miss Saddam Hussein too. All we had to do was keep him supplied with poison gas. Islam will never know democracy, but what do we care, fuck em.

Islam will never know democracy, but what do we care, fuck em.

Pakistan is a democracy... unfortunately.... and fuck you. LOL

"Pakistan is a democracy..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

"Pakistan is a democracy..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Like I said, it is one.... unfortunately.

Though we still don't have rigged voting machines in ours.

Rodgers! You have been hit by the curse of Dodgers!

This very thread is showing up on the Front Page AND on the Back Page.

Glitch Glitch!

Turn the valve! Hit it with a spanner! Use superglue!

Do something!

I'm tryin but she can't take it Captain!

O me poor poor engines....

Democracy only works among civilized people. Primitive cultures and ones accustomed to military domination almost never have healthy elected governments. Pakistanis, as reflected by Tosser, have too much of the fascist military mindset to ever truly support democracy.

Pakistanis, as reflected by Tosser, have too much of the fascist military mindset to ever truly support democracy.

On the other hand, Americans are too bigoted against women to elect Hillary as President.

At least we elected a woman twice as leader of the country. LOL

American democracy is twisted. Ours is more egalitarian and more gender-neutral.

And listen you buffoon-lawyer... please stop making bullshit posts until RCADE can fix whatever the hell is going wrong with DR.

Don't overload the system!

america isn't a democracy either.

"Well, these dirty taliban keep whooping your ass in Afghanistan and are taking back territory.

Not so backward when it comes to fighting, are they Champ? LOL"

Really, where are they whooping ass, if we loose 8 soldiers they lose 150...sounds like decent math to me, and certainly not an ass whooping. They fight like cowardly pieces of shit, hide and set traps instead of being real men, but hey that's what the Koran teaches, cowardice!

LM

They fight like cowardly pieces of shit, hide and set traps instead of being real men, but hey that's what the Koran teaches, cowardice!

They actually are better at ground fighting than you are mongrel.

You only seem to kill more of them because you:

1. kill innocent civilians and include them in the body count as "taliban".

2. You can call in air-strikes.

The afghan-taliban fight in the textbook guerrilla warfare fashion. Anyone who calls that way of fighting "cowardly" hasn't heard of "Vietnam". LOL

Anyway, the real math is... YOU are 100,000. THEY are 10 million.

How do you like that math?

Please explain the loss of the province of Nuristan to the Taliban last month, would you? LOL

See what I mean by "winning"? Their area of operations expands. Yours keeps shrinking.

Pretty soon, in about a year, all Americans will cease patrols and be confined to base. LOL

Tosser, you are a rightwinger. In fact you may well be a fascist. There is no question about it. Also, based on your posts, clearly you would be perfectly happy if Pakistan reverted back to a military dictatorship. Through your posts and your opinions you have clearly stated your dislike of democracy. Further, based on your posts, your head is so far up the military's ass that you would almost certainly be the first on board if the military chose to overthrow the currently democratically elected leader of Pakistan. Given all that, who gives a fuck what you think about anything?

Fuck Pakistan.

Tosser, you are a rightwinger. In fact you may well be a fascist. There is no question about it. Also, based on your posts, clearly you would be perfectly happy if Pakistan reverted back to a military dictatorship. Through your posts and your opinions you have clearly stated your dislike of democracy. Further, based on your posts, your head is so far up the military's ass that you would almost certainly be the first on board if the military chose to overthrow the currently democratically elected leader of Pakistan. Given all that, who gives a fuck what you think about anything?

You have to blindly support democracy for your opinion to matter?

Oh well I guess Bismarck, Jesus Christ, and Sun Tzu were full of shit.

Tosser, you are a rightwinger.

Pakistani right-winger, true. That is same as American-centrist and "life of the party".

Also, based on your posts, clearly you would be perfectly happy if Pakistan reverted back to a military dictatorship.

Of course. I have said so many times.

you have clearly stated your dislike of democracy.

True. All we get from "democracy" is "red tape" that slows everything down and crooks and cockroaches looking for their cut.

Just like America.

your head is so far up the military's ass that you would almost certainly be the first on board if the military chose to overthrow the currently democratically elected leader of Pakistan.

You have no idea how far my head is up the military's ass.

Hint: more than you can ever think possible. LOL

Given all that, who gives a fuck what you think about anything?

LOL... and who gives a fuck what you, an ambulance chasing lawyer, thinks about anything?

Fuck Pakistan.

Fuck USA.

if the military chose to overthrow the currently democratically elected leader of Pakistan.

Oh, he's about to be overthrown by his own party.

And it's a very democratic process.

Last Saturday, the President gave up his powers to launch a nuclear strike.

You will now see him shedding more powers until he is nothing more than a plucked chicken ready for the pot.

.. Until we put every Afghan walking the streets of Pakistan into a cage or camp, such things shall continue. But of course being a democracy won't let us do that.
#5 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-04 03:05 PM

What was the purpose of the bombing? Why suicide and not remote detonation, poisonings, etc? Who are these suicidal bombers - are they ISI Taliban special forces under drugs and hypnosis? How can you be certain they are Afghani?

The car suicide bombers in Iraq were captured locals who were generally already dead when they're strapped in, the car then directed into the public. I've always observed this to be the work of a specific military operation. What do you think of them? Is there a parallel other than US-led military coalition proximity?

Also, are you aware of any connections between Pakistan government and the events of September eleventh? Is this merely the continuation of ME redistricting?

What was the purpose of the bombing?

Seems like personal revenge.

If it had been against "the Islamic republic of Pakistan", they could have just easily targeted some politician.

Why suicide and not remote detonation, poisonings, etc?

So they can make a "statement". So they can say to their people "how our brave boys went into this area and shot it up and gave their lives doing so!"

How can you be certain they are Afghani?

We keep catching them. For every incident that happens, we stop a hundred you never hear of.

Afghanis and Indians (uncircumcised.. non-Muslim).

Also, notice that these things only happen in places like Peshawar and Rawalpindi where you find Afghans by the ton.

There is no problem in Karachi where the Afghans are less.

I've always observed this to be the work of a specific military operation. What do you think of them?

In Iraq, British special forces were caught with bombs and the were in Arab dress.

So false flag ops are always a possibility... hell, they are a certainty. It is one very successful way used to fuck up the other side's reputation and create doubt about their motives and undercut their support base.

Or it could just be Iranians (in Iraq).

Also, are you aware of any connections between Pakistan government and the events of September eleventh?

If I was aware (which I am not) do you think I would blab all about it on Rodger's blog? LOL

The Pakistani Govt. is indirectly responsible for 9-11, at the most, not directly.

All through the 90s, the US treated Pakistan like a hostile nation and not only tried to ruin it's economy with economic sanctions, but went around all over Europe and bad mouthed Pakistan and ruined our relationship with international bankers by calling in "favors".

In this hostile atmosphere, O'Binbin and Al-Qaeda fell through the cracks.

Clinton did have a plan to get them when they were small-fry but we told him "fuck you, we ain't helping, do it on your own".

If there had been no economic sanctions against Pakistan, we would've teamed up and I have no doubt in my mind that this would've been stopped before it could've started.

And why, pray tell, all the sudden pointy questions?

For your interest....

Notice the black turbans on two of them. That's taliban uniform. Or they could just think it was cool to wear that color, which makes them stupid.

Interview with arrested suicide bomber. Listen/read (English subtitles) the pure nonsense and poison this man has for Pakistan and it's people. LOL

And why, pray tell, all the sudden pointy questions?
#60 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-06 02:10 AM

As our main point of regional contact I want to see whom you are favoring and possibly why. I'd love to pay for al Jazeera but our cable company is embedded with BushCo interests.

Do you believe that these are possibly false flag to start an internal conflict with the displaced Afghani population?

These bombings are increasingly similar to Iraqs.. and you can't be certain whom benefits? You mentioned Iran - were the British operating with Iranian secret forces or Zionists? Was Bin Laden ever in the Sudan with the Janjaweed? Could that region are be playing out similarly such as with contracted agents in Pakistan? As in a coalition ally embedding local terrorist operations with the help of corrupt government leadership?

If you get a chance you might find the third chapter of Zeitgeist of interest. It alleges that US intelligence services were funneling money to Muhammad Atta via ISI. Other sources appear to corroborate this story. Sure that you've never heard of this before?

I'd love to pay for al Jazeera

Why? It's garbage.

Want the real news in the English language? Watch DAWN-news, live internet feed (free). Do it right now.

As our main point of regional contact I want to see whom you are favoring and possibly why.

Not any taliban and certainly not the USA.

Do you believe that these are possibly false flag to start an internal conflict with the displaced Afghani population?

Of course. This is common knowledge around here that these people are being armed with American and Indian weapons.

But at the end of the day, the finger that presses the trigger is Afghan.

These bombings are increasingly similar to Iraqs

This one was not similar to any Iraqi thing. This was a hit on a mosque where military people could be found praying on Friday. It was pure revenge since we are making them hurt bad.

and you can't be certain whom benefits?

The US benefits IF we turn on the afghan-taliban, which we are not doing. We are only targeting TTP (pakistani-taliban... but made up of Afghans) since they are the ones who are making a nuisance of themselves.

This article will explain everything. Please read it well and read all of it.

You mentioned Iran - were the British operating with Iranian secret forces or Zionists?

They were on their own.

Was Bin Laden ever in the Sudan with the Janjaweed?

With the WHO??? What is a "janjaweed"? LOL

It alleges that US intelligence services were funneling money to Muhammad Atta via ISI.

I remember... very clearly... that the idea that the ISI funded money to Ata first came from an Indian newspaper/source and was repeated by every other conspiracy buff.

Indian. Garbage. Disregarded.

And RCADE... what are you doing? Why is this thread showing up both at the front page and at the back page?

Don't you realize that things that don't fit a pattern, make me nervous?

When I get nervous, I get upset tummy. When I get upset tummy, I pass wind. When I pass wind, people get upset. When people get upset, I tell them "RCADE did it".

Is this how you want to be known around town?

"You mentioned Iran - were the British operating with Iranian secret forces or Zionists?"

They were on their own.

But you claim that it's possible that Iranians were also organized inside of coalition operations, such as how Blackwater and Aegis function?

"Was Bin Laden ever in the Sudan with the Janjaweed?"

With the WHO??? What is a "janjaweed"? LOL

So, it's ridiculous that he spent any time training and supplying them? They seem so.. military. And from what I remember the genocidal violence from them initiated from other Saudi fundamentalists.

"It alleges that US intelligence services were funneling money to Muhammad Atta via ISI."

I remember... very clearly... that the idea that the ISI funded money to Ata first came from an Indian newspaper/source and was repeated by every other conspiracy buff.
Indian. Garbage. Disregarded.
#68 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-06 04:19 AM

[sigh] IF you wouldn't mind, in order for me to feel comfortable communicating with you at all I would really like to know if it's alright to denigrate you based on your race? I'm not sure why you perpetually demonstrate a general racism unless you are wanting to justify it with your own general oppression? Otherwise, if we are to continue it would be pleasant if you were to stop dehumanizing others and let me pretend that you are better than a Zionist.:]

But you claim that it's possible that Iranians were also organized inside of coalition operations

No. I claim the Iranians are putting on a show all their own and killing your people and Iraqis in Iraq.

So, it's ridiculous that he spent any time training and supplying them?

What ARE you talking about? I am afraid I don't know anything about Africa.

IF you wouldn't mind, in order for me to feel comfortable communicating with you at all I would really like to know if it's alright to denigrate you based on your race?

Indian source. Garbage. Disregarded.

Btw - thanks for the DAWN link! I'd still like to compare it with al Jazeera.

All-Jizz is anti-American for the sake of being anti-American. And they will lie for that.

This one isn't.

Listen to me one last time.

If you push any info in my direction that was created in India, let me assure you, it will have an anti-Pakistan spin on it or it would be an outright mischievous lie. They have been doing it for a long time.

Therefore.

Indian source. Garbage. Disregarded.

I'm not sure why you perpetually demonstrate a general racism unless

During the Cold War, Americans thought all Russian propaganda was garbage (and it was.. most of it).

This American attitude was not racist at all.

Same here. I think Indian news sources are garbage and have an agenda. Why are you saying that is racist of me??? LOL

Perhaps the word you are searching for is "nationalist", not "racist".

What bothers curious and intelligent Americans like yourself and Americans who are in the intelligence community working for their Govt., is that when you look for the inside story ... any inside story... that concerns Pakistan in some way, you hit a info black hole.

You have no real info on Pakistan or how the gears work or how to predict what will happen next. We have never done things "according to plan".

So, to fill this info-gap, American planners have no choice but to depend on Indian sources.

Indians don't know shit either, but they make it up as they go along.

You know what you are getting is garbage, but that is all you got.

What happens to American intelligence experts is what is happening to you on a much smaller scale.

To try and offset that disadvantage I will, from time to time, try and give you Pakistani public sources of info, like DAWN-tv.

Not a problem.

Oh.. and one more thing for you to think about.

You all know I liked Mushi as President. But then Mushi was Indian.

If I were racist, how could I accept an Indian as President of Pakistan? LOL

"But you claim that it's possible that Iranians were also organized inside of coalition operations"

No. I claim the Iranians are putting on a show all their own and killing your people and Iraqis in Iraq.

If found wouldn't that have provided impetus for a possible Iran invasion via Iraq? I wonder what percentage of Iraq terrorists are Saudi versus Iranian?

"So, it's ridiculous that he spent any time training and supplying them?"

What ARE you talking about? I am afraid I don't know anything about Africa.

I'm referring to another resource war using Islamic fundamentalists who were gifted support by the Sudanese and Saudi governments. A joint genocide operation.

"IF you wouldn't mind, in order for me to feel comfortable communicating with you at all I would really like to know if it's alright to denigrate you based on your race?"
Indian source. Garbage. Disregarded.

I forget, how old is the Indian culture? What do you think of their space program? Does Pakistan share any of that potential?

"Btw - thanks for the DAWN link! I'd still like to compare it with al Jazeera."

All-Jizz is anti-American for the sake of being anti-American. And they will lie for that.
This one isn't.
#74 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-06 07:07 AM

I instantly noticed the pro-American slant, and really prefer non-commercial news.

Listen to me one last time.
If you push any info in my direction that was created in India, let me assure you, it will have an anti-Pakistan spin on it or it would be an outright mischievous lie. They have been doing it for a long time.
Therefore.
Indian source. Garbage. Disregarded.
#75 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-06 07:10 AM

It just makes you seem insecure to me. My friends deceased father was tortured by Japanese as a child so he had a deep hatred. Yours is so flippant that I tend to view it as misplaced. I've met Indians who are awesome, lived with Pakis who impressed me and been embarrassed by my inability to tell them apart.

Well, as you will see the documentary doesn't mention India, but does follow from where the alleged money really came from, as well as the alleged ISI connection, but remains fair and factual. Portland, the city that I live in, was used and that makes it quite a large, strange conspiracy, imo.

I forget, how old is the Indian culture?

Younger than mine. Look up "Indus Valley".

What do you think of their space program?

Bigger than ours.

Does Pakistan share any of that potential?

Of course.

For example, even though the Indian civilian space program might be ahead of ours, Pakistan's missiles technology, specially when it comes solid fuel engines is far more advanced.

As is our targeting (Indian missiles are not on target) and as is our cruise missile tech (India doesn't do cruise missiles).

In fact, SUPARCO (Pak space agency) was the first in Asia to launch a rocket into the upper atmosphere in the 50s or 60s.

If found wouldn't that have provided impetus for a possible Iran invasion via Iraq?

Why would the Iranians invade Iraq when they can do so much by remote control?

I wonder what percentage of Iraq terrorists are Saudi versus Iranian?

There might be possibility of that, but Saudis won't last two seconds.

Arabs can't fight. And Iranians are not Arab (common American mistake).

and been embarrassed by my inability to tell them apart.

You should be.

If found wouldn't that have provided impetus for a possible Iran invasion via Iraq?

Or do you mean why haven't the Americans invaded Iran because of what the Iranians are doing?

Two reasons.

1. Iranians have "plausible deniablity".

2. The US doesn't have the resources to go after Iran.

On June 7, 1962 at 19:53 hours (PST) Rehbar-I was successfully launched from Sonmiani Satellite Launch Center. It soared to about 130 km into the atmosphere, making Pakistan the third country in Asia and the 10th in the world to conduct such a launch.

Sorry. Third in Asia... not first.

Now everything is focused on the military side which is more advanced than Indian military space program.

At some point in the future SUPARCO will probably turn military missiles into launch vehicles. A cheap short-cut.

Once upon a time I wanted to go work for them. LOL

Two of my teachers (computers) worked for SUPARCO so thought why not.

And Chumps call Islam peace!
Wouldn't want to see what they call war!

Arabs can't fight. And Iranians are not Arab (common American mistake).
#79 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-06 08:27 AM

I too get the definite impression that American military don't know the difference, so Iranians hiding amid the Iraqi would be quite simple. But would Iranians really destroy Iraq's ancient mosques? It's far easier for me to imagine American Christians doing that sort of atrocity - and remarkably Gates is still a free man. So, you think it's not really likely that Iranians would be working alongside of or within the coalition forces inside of Iraq? Who was doing the car bombings? They appeared directed at the Iraqi population only, very similar to what the British and those nasty Aegis contractors were doing inventing the insurgents by blowing up civilians willy-nilly.

"and been embarrassed by my inability to tell them apart."
You should be.
#80 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-12-06 08:30 AM

:] We're only human. Then again, I rather doubt you could tell a Scot from an Irishman other than the [insert vaguely crude joke here]. You've already admitted to not recognizing the Janjaweed Arab community in Africa and their ties to Saudi Arabia and Osama bin Laden, so I'm not certain you recognize a similar Persian terrorist community outside of Iran.

Also, I thoroughly read that editorial and have a few comments. First, the Clinton and Brown snarks made it difficult to get to even the second paragraph, but beyond that it has some interesting notions regarding Taliban. It would appear that Pakistan have created the Taliban as a joint service with American intelligence, thus use them as their proxies in Kabul and Kandahar, putting a local face on an otherwise obvious military presence. This would be a good reason for Pakistan to not use their own military on behalf of American interests - I'm not certain how "owned" the Afghani wealthy are yet, but the British hand-off to American forces made it appear to me that things were going swimmingly. That is obviously in question as we are in a race to not only control the existing Taliban, but overthrow the Pakistani influence. Thus the editorial makes sense claiming that Pakistani officials wouldn't commit political suicide through military intervention.

Is that the real reason for the Afghani suicide bomber yesterday? That the displaced Afghani civilians are claiming Jihad and attacking the Pakistani mosques for their Taliban presence?

Was Musharraf involved in the Taliban? Training them, supporting them and the like? Something was intimated during his book tour in the United States that he had something on George Bush, but standing side-by-side they both laughed at those questions.

Did you watch Mohamed Atta And The Venice Flying Circus?