count me in

"They tuk our jobz!"

MSNBC? Such an unlikely source for this story!

From Wikipedia:

The policy or doctrine of trying to isolate one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, and generally attempting to make one's economy entirely self-reliant; seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement, both diplomatically and economically, while remaining in a state of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.

Makes sense from the National Sovereignty perspective as well.

Isolationism.

What a stupid fucking idea.

No wonder l rcuntrarian thinks it's a good idea.

This is truly what the people want - too bad the government won't listen. Afganistan is a great example. Barry was elected because he said that he would stop the wars but then does a 180 once in power. It is almost enough to make one think that the people are not really in control of anything and that a shadow organization is really calling the shots....

It is almost enough to make one think that the people are not really in control of anything and that a shadow organization is really calling the shots....

#6 | POSTED BY GOODLITTLENAZI AT 2009-12-03 04:25 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Or, that after looking at the intel, some of Bush's decisions weren't all that moronic.

Tsk, tsk, Dave. I don't recall any history with you. Whatever have I done to make the mighty Dave upset?

From common posting history it appears to be either my common gun-control postings or the God's gene posting.

Obviously dave ain't for Isolationism if he's either a simpleton pro-establishment type or an elist-centric globalist atheist.

people are not really in control of anything and that a shadow organization is really calling the shots....

#6 | Posted by goodlittlenazi

It's easier to believe that than that we now have bush-o-bama.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

Sounds great to me. Somebody needs to convince our very weird, glassy eyed leaders that the average Ameritard is tired of the US trying to be the worlds babysitter. Mind our own business, we are not the world.

If we need to go to war, make it short and to the point, no mission creep. Remember the first gulf war, that is the way it should be done. We went in to secure one of our main sources of oil and liberate Kuwait. We also brutalized the Iraq army sending a big message to the headchoppers in the ME to keep thier hands off of our oil supply/allies. Good job old man Bush.

America to the world;

We just need a quiet place to go think for awhile. It's not you, honest, it's me. I just can't have a serious relationship right now....

ya know, the holidays and all..... I'll see ya around, okay?

I am ALL for this IF this Country is serious about it. By that I mean no telling other Countries how they should run their affairs. No meddling into Others backyards. Oh and we can not go dictating how another Country should behave. Until then we must abide by the rules in world affairs that we expect others to abide by.

Larry

From Wikipedia:

The policy or doctrine of trying to isolate one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, and generally attempting to make one's economy entirely self-reliant; seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement, both diplomatically and economically, while remaining in a state of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.

I like it.... count me in.... the isolationist party.....the cure to relieving both the democrat and republican parites of any power......think about it....talk about it.... promote it..... live it...... vote it.....

I like it how people who don't want to pay so that corporations can colonize the world are labeled 'isolationists'.

The bullshit propaganda never ends.

End the empire.

We need to fortify the southern border if we are to be more isolationist. First thing's first. I don't know if being more isolationist is such a bad idea. TOTALLY isolationist, otoh...

like this fascist asshole who just posted.

Well when your president is screwing up in every way shape and form. Spending us out of debt and announcing when we will pull out of the war!

Wow print some more money for your buddies Barry! LMAO!

THEY TUK 'UR JUBZ!!!!!

This is one of those brain washing attempts to soften us up for you-know-who's socialist agenda: we can't rise up to anything anymore, we're just a has-been-leader of the world, need to keep China in good terms...
all defeatism! We need to recall to mind those words "a government FOR the People".
For starters, how about an old fashion protest march in front our local town hall if our Comander in Chief vows again to whom ever?
Look at it as a needed warning: Obambi is just not our our Country's face.

one fascist marketing cocksucker after another.

After Chimpy's disastrous foray into nation-building, what the fuck did you expect.

to: rein
I fixed it for you.

After Chimpy and BAMSTERS disastrous foray into nation-building, what the fuck did you expect.

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-12-03 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

After Chimpy and BAMSTERS disastrous foray into nation-building, what the fuck did you expect.

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#24 | Posted by tickyul

Who knew? Obama orchestrated Chimpy's twin quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq? That's quite a scoop you got there, maybe even worthy of a Pulitzer.

To: Rein

Did'nt say Bammster set things up, but he sure is going at it just as good as a Phonycon.

A shadow organization has been calling the shots for over seventy years, they stumble amongst us still asleep, with eyes wide open.

there is nothing shadowy about it.

some people just would rather believe that jesus closed his eyes to empire/genocide/torture.

America would self destruct tomorrow if it wasn't for the communist Chinese suddenly becoming capitalist.

yep
slap a wall around the country
that'll do the trick

#15 | Posted by Washboard

Ye who wants the bases to surround the oil...

#16,28 shawn
Sounds like your speaking the same language as most in here. Ya just don't like the label.

I'd call myself a liberal, but most 'liberals' are fagot ass pussy bitch losers, and that is not what i mean.

So yes, the language has been co-opted by the fascist corporate whore politicians/lobbyists, and their war pig marketing cocksucker lying piece of shit psychological operations yes men.

HAHAHA....RCONT just called SHAWN a Libertarian.

most libertarians are like ron paul.

bunch of fascists who love the corporate person, but don't want government mandating parking for the handicapped. Intellectually dishonest lying corporate trash.

#34 wurst
I didn't call anybody anything. Typical case of making a mountain out of a molehill. The question asked: Do you believe in isolationism as defined by wiki.

Shawn in a round-about way stated that he did:
don't want to pay so that corporations can colonize the world

End the empire.

jesus closed his eyes to empire/genocide/torture.

and Wurst too: count me in

You're just not being honest.

In the 'global' community isolationism is fine...especially when your the only country with a constitution like ours.

Regroup...get back on track for America's sake...then emerge and show by example what this democracy has to offer.

Now, if we could just get those bozos on capital hill to understand...!

their war pig marketing cocksucker lying piece of shit psychological operations yes men.

#33 | Posted by Shawn

I resemble that remark.

----bush-o-bama------

Now, if we could just get those bozos on capital hill to understand...!

#37 | Posted by UpL8

Believe me, they understand all too well. It's the american people who do not understand.

Americans don't understand that democrats and republican machines are exactly the same thing. Whatever distinction they once enjoyed is long dead and gone.

The machine only needs to keep you distracted while it does what it needs to do, because the machine knows one unbeaten truth. No gov't can ever stand when it's people rise up against it.

Have you heard 12,000 newscast a day about swine flu lately? No, because that distraction was so last season.

Oh, look, Tiger Woods and Sarah Palin are having an affair. Now, that's important.

"Americans don't understand that democrats and republican machines are exactly the same thing. Whatever distinction they once enjoyed is long dead and gone.The machine only needs to keep you distracted while it does what it needs to do, because the machine knows one unbeaten truth. No gov't can ever stand when it's people rise up against it."

Very true!

both parties are national socialist.

There is no turning back, the 40,000 offshored factories are gone for good.

But there is no reason to be the world's policeman and bully, attempting to force Aynn Rand's failed policies on the rest of the world.

Bernanke wants to take from Social Security, which is now defined as an entitlement. It is not an entitlement, it is a forced savings program which has been looted by this countries leadership, mostly to fight unnecessary wars.

To the extent "Isolationism" means abandoning militaristic Imperialism, its just good policy. All we need to do to achieve unprecedented prosperity is put the military back into a truley defensive posture and make the financial, insurance and real estate sectors subordinate to manufacturing. Its called straightening our your priorities.

Sadly Nutcase You are correct. Greed and Glutony have ruled the day. It is probably too late for America but I Hope not.

Larry

This is truly what the people want - too bad the government won't listen. Afganistan is a great example. Barry was elected because he said that he would stop the wars but then does a 180 once in power. It is almost enough to make one think that the people are not really in control of anything and that a shadow organization is really calling the shots....

#6 | Posted by goodlittlenazi at 2009-12-03 04:25 PM

You're just not being honest.

You can count me in, just as I said.

I was mostly laughing at Shawn. He goes on about how bad government is, yet calls himself a liberal. I think its funny.

There are a lot of people who call themselves 'liberal' and don't have a real understanding of the true liberal agenda.

Anyone who is for isolationism must also be for very strict immigration laws. This includes rounding up any and all illegals and deporting them and then build whatever structure necessary to keep everyone out.

I still can't understand why we are still in Japan, Europe, and Korea. Let thoes folks take care of themselves. AND.... get the hell out of the UN!!! It is run by a bunch of third world dick taters.

I still can't understand why we are still in Japan, Europe, and Korea.

Because they are great career builders for Pentagonians and markets for the military industrial complex. Even NATO,until Bush needed it to bail his ass out in afghanistan, was the same. You'll note that every eastern block country coming in to NATO is gonna cost a ton of US dollars, especially those that would inherit St. George's Missile defense systems. Places like Czehistan and Poland look at it as welfare debt, which America's grandchildren will gladly pay.
Right 101?

It's a no brainer for the Pentagon. You could figure out how much removing these bases would save the taxpayer, but try and find a politician with the guts to suggest ANY Defense Department budget cuts. Or any politician who is willing to cut defense jobs in hs district. Guys like Tret Lott porkbarrelled ships the Navy didn't want into the budget just to keep his state's shipyards stimulated. Murtha and B-2 Bob Doener did the same thing.

try and find a politician with the guts to suggest ANY Defense Department budget cuts. Or any politician who is willing to cut defense jobs in hs district.

#48 | Posted by northguy3

Nice try ace. In the 60s defense was about 60% of our budget but now......... less than 15%. It's all our welfare/socalistic programs that are the cause of our massive debt.

Do you know? The military is required by our constitution but there is no mention of the government being responsible for welfare.

Murtha and B-2 Bob Doener did the same thing.

You can add Max Baucus to that list.

but there is no mention of the government being responsible for welfare.

Expect for Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution, you are right.

Oh, and the Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

- insure domestic Tranquility

Hmmmm.... I wonder if NORML is onto this?

I'm still pissed at NORML for never taking the "if it took an amendment to outlaw alcohol, then it should take one for Pot too" approach, but it is not in NORML's best interest to end the prohibition because then they would be out of a job.

The military is required by our constitution but there is no mention of the government being responsible for welfare.

Snippy-What part of the Constitution rquires troops in Okinawa and Korea? You wanted to know why there are troops all over the world, I told you. Now you thnk they are required by the Constitution? Methinks you just need to be contraty.

The Department of Defense will never allow isolationism to happen.

Snip-it's actually more than 15%, if you include Iraq and afghanistan's costs, which Bush ket out of the DoD budgets.

Using a different source (GAO data, which is on the accrual basis rather than cash basis) for FY 2008, roughly $800 billion was spent for the Department of Defense, Iraq & Afghanistan wars, and Homeland Security. This gives a higher ratio, as follows:

* 800/2,979 outlays = 27%.
* 800/2,524 receipts = 32%.

People who demonize isolationism think we live an ideal world. All their theories take place in this ideal world rather than our reality.

Isolationism is a great idea when your polticians are all either horrible negotiators in trade talks or traitorous globalist shitbags who only care about the labor costs of major politicians.

I actually wouldn't mind if we became isolationists. But if we were to, we would need to go all the way with it. It seems like it would certainly keep us out of a lot of messes. But, then again, a lot of people around the world depend on us for mere survival. Others depend on us for other things. So, I'm not so sure it would be a good thing after all.

There are a lot of people who call themselves 'liberal' and don't have a real understanding of the true liberal agenda.

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there are no real liberals in power nor corporate media.

Not one.

"Isolationism is a great idea when your polticians are all either horrible negotiators in trade talks or traitorous globalist shitbags who only care about the labor costs of major politicians."

Umm corporations, that last word should be corporations.

#52 | Posted by kanrei
Oh, and the Preamble:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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If that was true then why did the Founders tell widows after the revolutionary war who wanted financial help from the Federal Government to go have dollar dances to support themselves.

But feel free to show me wear the Founders who wrote these documents intended the Federal Government to supply for the day to day living of Americans.
Also why did it take 150 plus years before the Feds created any type of Government handout for the general public, if that was the Founders intention all along

I'm not supportive of Isolationism as I would prefer Non-Interventionalist.

Believe me, they understand all too well. It's the american people who do not understand.

Americans don't understand that democrats and republican machines are exactly the same thing. Whatever distinction they once enjoyed is long dead and gone.

The machine only needs to keep you distracted while it does what it needs to do, because the machine knows one unbeaten truth. No gov't can ever stand when it's people rise up against it.

Have you heard 12,000 newscast a day about swine flu lately? No, because that distraction was so last season.

Oh, look, Tiger Woods and Sarah Palin are having an affair. Now, that's important.

#39 | Posted by Lipzoidial

You're right. Thanks for the re-fresher...the bozos only run the show because we, the people, let them; and because too many Americans are apathetic to their abuse of power.

Ye who wants the bases to surround the oil...

#31 | Posted by wurster at 2009-12-04 12:18 AM |

Show me where I said that. You can't, dumbass.

Sadly Nutcase You are correct. Greed and Glutony have ruled the day. It is probably too late for America but I Hope not.

Larry

#43 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-12-04 09:22 AM

Have you been dieting, Larry?

Believe me, they understand all too well. It's the american people who do not understand.

Americans don't understand that democrats and republican machines are exactly the same thing. Whatever distinction they once enjoyed is long dead and gone.

The machine only needs to keep you distracted while it does what it needs to do, because the machine knows one unbeaten truth. No gov't can ever stand when it's people rise up against it.

Have you heard 12,000 newscast a day about swine flu lately? No, because that distraction was so last season.

Oh, look, Tiger Woods and Sarah Palin are having an affair. Now, that's important.

#39 | Posted by Lipzoidial

My sentiments exactly, I could not have stated it soo precisely. This media pushes so muuch crap that passes for news, and the average Ameritard eats it up.

I still can't understand why we are still in Japan, Europe, and Korea. Let thoes folks take care of themselves. AND.... get the hell out of the UN!!! It is run by a bunch of third world dick taters.

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-12-04 11:03 AM |

We annexed them following World War 2.

Should you need details try googling the words "United States annexed Japan, korea and Europe following World War 2".

Glad to have been of help.

Oh, and the Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

#52 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-12-04 11:44 AM

Here, this might help you.....

Yup, forget about the Afghanis. Got some stuff at home to clean up...like NUKING coolforsale.

#63 petrous
I'm not supportive of Isolationism as I would prefer Non-Interventionalist.

Perhaps you meant non-interventionism.

Nonintervention or non-interventionism is a foreign policy which holds that political rulers should avoid alliances with other nations and avoid all wars not related to direct territorial self-defense. A similar phrase is "strategic independence".[1]

Nonintervention is one step removed from isolationism, the latter featuring economic nationalism (protectionism) and restrictive immigration. Proponents of non-interventionism distinguish their polices from isolationism through their advoacy of more open national relations and free trade.