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Tuesday, December 01, 2009

Jon Meacham: Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people. The best way to settle arguments is by having what we used to call full and frank exchanges about the issues, and then voting. A contest between Dick Cheney and Barack Obama would offer us a bracing referendum on competing visions.

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His health would bar him from any hope of nomination, unless he had a really kickass running mate. Maybe Norris will switch teams now that Huckster is done?

Having Cheney in the race would be...

Awesome!

The Republicans would have their asses handed to them.

Cheney, and his political philosophies, were one of the main reasons the Republicans lost the White House and Congress.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for the Cheney - Palin in '12 ticket.

Cheney is a man of conviction...

We can but hope.

Go on...

...has a record on which he can be judged...

Agreed. See previous point.

...and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people.

Agreed. Either a vote fer batshiat insanity, Forever Wars and creeping fascism or a vote fer Obama tepid reforms, less-than-forever wars and increased nanny statism.

No ambiguity there.

Be Well.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for the
Cheney - Palin in '12 ticket.

~Roy Batty

/Is funnier wif pix! ^_^

Be Well.

Cheney-Palin 2012; A moose in every pot and a shot in every face.

Go for it Dick. If America elects him we deserve 3rd world status. I would hope it would fracture America causing civil war. We shouldn't even try being one country.

I would hope it would fracture America causing civil war. We shouldn't even try being one country.

off your meds....please refill your prescription.

On topic, if they are the nominees, I won't be voting republican.

The GOP would never pick Cheney because he's the guy who said Reagan proved deficits don't matter. He's a heretic. And he's got one of them butch daughters.

only if he agrees to fully investigate 9/11

Dems: Do not underestimate his appeal to a cross section of conservatives. I don't want him to be the nominee because if GWB proved anything, it is that anyone with the right public recognition, backing and financing can win. Cheney would be a nightmare for this country.

See Dick run. Run Dick run. I doubt the GOP will
be able to draft him. They'll have no more luck than the army did in the '60's.

Cheney/Beck 2012

Cheney / Satan 2012. Raising Hell and Avoiding Change.

that anyone with the right public recognition, backing and financing can win.

Obama proved it also.

Cheney is perceived as tough. Obama isn't. America loves the tough guy.

He could never win against incumbent Pelosi

Another potential runner that I hope doesn't run.

Ha! The pubbies staying away from this thread like it was hemlock tea.

Cheney is perceived as tough.

#13 | Posted by Ron_Karate at 2009-12-01 12:25 PM

How many defferments did danger Dick get in order not to go to nam?

I'm posting this because righties love quoting Pravda:

"As Russia had said, Iraq did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction. The only source which claimed that Iraq had such weapons and was linked to Al Qaeda was the Bush regime. Now the first days of the Iraq Enquiry in London have blown the lid off the lies, the treachery, the skullduggery and the downright deceit, the web of lies spun by Bush and Co. Time for responsibility, time for accountability.


Before the Bush regime was swept to power by road blocks in Florida in November 2000, Condoleeza Rice was already writing articles about "regime change" in Baghdad and Bush was already speaking of revenge for President Hussein's supposed attempt on the life of his "Daddy".

There then ensued repeated claims from the Pentagon, which started to exert growing influence over the State Department, that Iraq not only had WMD, but was able to deploy them with "immediate" effect and posed a real danger to the USA and its allies. Claims were made to the UNO that WMD was being "driven around the desert in vehicles", complete with photos of milk powder being presented and described as dangerous chemicals.

Anyone with an iota of intelligence could see that there was no evidence whatsoever and the proof presented for a causus belli was simply hearsay, rumour and conjecture. In short, paramount to someone in some rural backwater pointing at a villager from another village, saying "He's a witch" and the poor man being set upon with machetes.

Attempts to claim Saddam Hussein had WMD, attempts to link Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda were ridiculed in this column at the time, while the Bush regime and its puppy-dog sycophants in Europe were warned they were making a grave mistake.

Six and a half years on, the Iraq Enquiry in London proves us right and the perpetrators of this act of slaughter wrong. Among the wealth of evidence supporting our claims and relegating those of the Bush regime to an act of mass murder and war crimes is the following: "

english.pravda.ru

How many defferments(sic)...

I stated perceived, towel biter. I didn't write he was Capt. America.

-----Cheney-Palin 2012; A moose in every pot and a shot in every face.

#5 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-12-01 08:39 AM -----

That would cause a mass neo-conserv-o-gasm!

Meacham has a point. It would finally be a real election between two vastly different world views.

Cheney should run-in front of a bus.

Now this fuckstick is saying that the Bush administration isn't responsible for the mess they left behind in Afghanistan.

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

What all America truly needs is a Glenn Beck who would stand up and protect the Constitution, and make the best kick ass Pres of all times...

Hope he runs and embarrasses himself even further.

Crazy (aka INSANE!)idea to even contemplate. How about a fresh, unsullied candidate like Franklin Graham who won't have to drag tons of baggage along the campaign trail. If the Republicans can't do better than Mr. Cheney, I will gladly vote INDEPENDENT and watch my ballot go down the toilet!

Have the Dark Lord run for Prez????

Talk about batshit crazy.....

Tell ya wot...if he can run to the end of the block and back-without needing to be resuscitated-Let him run-I'd love to watch the neo-cons go down in flames...again!

He'd be the only prez to take the oath in a wheel chair.....

Vice President Waaaaah.

Dr Feelgood, Dr Feelgood to the Psych ward, STAT!

Post # 26 Franklin Graham.

Americans have become too heathen to ever vote in a Christian for Pres.

Present day political administration have brainwashed the masses totally against Christianity.

Look at what happened to Pat Robinson when he was considered a few years ago, Americans have become very heathen and very un-christian with their New Age african political co-ignorant-ness.

O.K. it's settled from most of the expressed opinions, Cheney has to enter the political arena so that lefty nerds have a beast of burden to hack...who can deny our current Press's main trait is a character full of frozen wind just ready to bow to the next whatever that comes his way.

Oh yes please! See Dick Run. Run Dick, Run!

Cheney is a man of conviction, has a record on which he can be judged, and whatever the result, there could be no ambiguity about the will of the people.

Other then the 'man of conviction' part Meacham is half right.

Jon Meacham's column seems like the kind of thing a pundit writes to get attention, not because he expects there's a chance in hell it will ever happen.

Dick Cheney will be 71 years old in 2012 and he had four heart attacks. He's not going to run for president.

Funny, the libs are practically cumming in their pants. Leave it to Newsweak to start such a line of idiocy. Cheney isn't running, no conservative would want him too. Much too polarizing. Don't expect too much for Obama, either, though. Again, too polarizing and the legions of never-before and never-again voters that got him elected lost interest long ago. Likely it'll be something like Romney/Palin, versus Obama/Clinton, but who really knows at this point. Better yet, how about a Clinton/Pelosi ticket?

Cheney would be a fool to even run. I'm pretty sure Dobbs has better odds.

But I'll give him this. He will be one of the few presidents in history who needs make no election promises or bullshit us. We all know exactly his mindset, platform and where he'd take us. That to me is at least a little refreshing in this age of 24/7 wall to wall bullshit.

Truth is though we pretty much already had Cheney as president. At least for the first 4 years.

This sounds like a pro-Obama editorial. Everyone knows that after the Bush/Cheney years, Cheney does not have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected president. This article is manipulative, advocating conditions in which, Obama would be easily handed a second term.

Condi in 2012!!!

Funny, the libs are practically cumming in their pants.

More like laughing their asses off.

The circular firing squad that is the Party of No will continue fucking everything and everyone in sight for the foreseeable future. The Democrats don't have to do a damned thing except sit back and snicker.

Republicans might continue to elect a few congressmen and senators from the rapidly shrinking red states, but they will never again be a serious factor in the politics of the Unites States of America.

As long as Palin and Cheney have to kiss Glen Beck's ass and bow down to Flush Rimjob, who really is in charge of the clusterfuck they used to call the GOP?

Cheney would be a fool to even run. I'm pretty sure Dobbs has better odds.
But I'll give him this. He will be one of the few presidents in history who needs make no election promises or bullshit us. We all know exactly his mindset, platform and where he'd take us. That to me is at least a little refreshing in this age of 24/7 wall to wall bullshit.
Truth is though we pretty much already had Cheney as president. At least for the first 4 years.
#37 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-12-01 06:44 PM

I'm not so certain we are understanding the implications of these resource hording oligarchy. Isn't the 24/7 news to their benefit? I would have a very hard time equating Cheney with "refreshing" under any circumstances other than "suicide bomber".

The reason I use that word is because of the type of social elite that Cheney operates for.

wiki: Oligarchy

An oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχία, Oligarkha) (oligocracy) is a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royal, wealth, intellectual, family, military, or religious hegemony. The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγος olgos) and "rule" (ἀρχή arkhē). Such states are often controlled by politically powerful families whose children are heavily conditioned and mentored to be heirs of the power of the oligarchy.[citation needed]

Oligarchies have been tyrannical throughout history, being completely reliant on public servitude to exist. Although Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group. Some city-states from ancient Greece were oligarchies. The combination of the words plutocracy and oligarchy make the word plutarchy.

Run! Frankly Cheney should be impeached (it can be done post office, although it'd take a people with integrity to do it) impeached for the deaths of thousands of innocent human beings in light of the fact of the counterfeit, delusive, false, hypocritical deceit that was and is the invasion of Iraq plus and the abuse of our military because of it and it's furtherance of complications of this necessary war on terror and it's attended violence and associated terror and the need have to deal it seems continually now with Afghanistan! Run!? The only "run" applied to Cheney and his ilk is to have him "run" out of town, tar and feathered , on a rail!

CHE ERNESTO

Personally, when it comes to Cheney's just deserts, I always leaned toward 'draw and quarter.'

Personally, when it comes to Cheney's just deserts, I always leaned toward 'draw and quarter.'

Posted by Twinpac at 2009-12-02 06:09 AM | Reply | Flag: BUT PLEASE DO NOT WATERBOARD THOSE POOR POOR FREEDOM FIGHTERS

I think terrorist is the correct word but wanted to align with your PC sensibility.

Cheney's campaign song for 2012. It's from HBO's vampire series, "True Blood. A perfect match for him in so many ways.

"When I walk in, the air walks out... I wanna do bad things to you."

At least we'd know that with Dick Cheney at the helm, the best interests of THIS country would be represented because, unlike the fascists in charge right now, Cheney actually loves this country and believes this country and its people are worthy of praise and defending.

Cheney also believes in the power of individuals to solve their own problems, not have some stupid bureaucrat running every aspect of our lives. Cheney is an American first, not some warmed over wannabe European socialist like so many running the Democrat party today.

I'd take Cheney in a heartbeat over this nothing, talking empty suit in the White House we are saddled with for the next 3 years.

"At least we'd know that with Dick Cheney at the helm, the best interests of THIS country would be represented "

With Dick Cheney at the helm the only interests represented are his own, not his country nor his fellow countrymen.

Kiss

Would you please make up your mind?

Are the fascists or socialists in charge?

You really can't have it both ways.

Cheney's goal was and would be to defund the US Treasury so that the country can't pay for all those programs that the right hates so much. You know, the ones that benefit people rather than corporations.

As a bonus he gets to give all that money to his cronies or has everybody forgotten about Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater and all the other vultures. Encouraged by him and his self-serving patriotism, they descended on Iraq and Afghanistan and New Orleaans to pick the bones clean while our troops were dying and New Orleans was decaying.

...unlike the fascists in charge right now...

kissntell...another moron who doesn't know what a fascist is.

On topic, if they are the nominees, I won't be voting republican.

Yo Eberly, there's a R. you would vote for at this point? Gingrich? Jindal? Hucka-cop-killer-spree?

I'm really curious who the GOP can run at this point. (And the fact that I'm curious about 2012 in 2009 makes me realize I'm getting old.)

Cheney also believes in the power of individuals to solve their own problems

You mean like the power of Cheney to get six draft deferments by going to seminary school? Or do you mean the way Cheney solved the problem of shooting his friend in the face?

Or perhaps it was when he single-handedly installed his own pacemaker/defibrillator on his own tired heart? Yes, the power of the individual.

not have some stupid bureaucrat running every aspect of our lives.

I take it you haven't flown since the creation of the TSA bureaucracy. Oh well, keep flapping your arms, someday you'll make it! Better yet, you could be the REAL Balloon Boy, you ever think of that?

"Cheney also believes in the power of individuals to help themselves...."

Dick Cheney got a multimillion dollar retirement plan from at almost the same time his company was vacating the retirement plans of thousands of less known workers.

This is the sort of thing that absolutely screws with the power of hard-working, independent people to help themselves with any damned thing.

Dick Cheney is a rich pig. Rich. Pig.

But go ahead and run him anyway. Nice to see Republicans considering acandidate who will actually get fewer electoral votes than Palin.

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"Cheney is a man of conviction"

Yes, he'll throw as many American lives away as he needs to in order to enrich him and his already wealthy buddies.

"has a record on which he can be judged"

As someone who cavalierly pushed an unnecessary war justified by lies. And as someone who not only couldn't be bothered to make sure there was a any sort of plan for handling that war but who actually actively punished anyone who he caught trying to engage in meaningful strategic dialogue. To any sane American, the judgement is that he's pretty much a traitor.

" A contest between Dick Cheney and Barack Obama would offer us a bracing referendum on competing visions."

Yes, one between sycophants who think saying the word "hope" over and over doesn't cheapen the meaning of the term and those who decide to completely give up by voting for Cheney. If you're interested in seeing that contest, you're an idiot.

Paul-Trafficant

Campaign slogan "No more Federal Reserve".

Run! Frankly Cheney should be impeached (it can be done post office, although it'd take a people with integrity to do it) impeached for the deaths of thousands of innocent human beings in light of the fact of the counterfeit, delusive, false, hypocritical deceit that was and is the invasion of Iraq plus the resultant abuse of our military because of it and it's furtherance of complications of this necessary war on terror and it's attended violence and associated terror and the need to have to deal with it, so it seems, continually now with Afghanistan! Cheney run!? The only "run" applied to Cheney and his ilk is to have him "run" out of town, tar and feathered , on a rail!

Anyone who can take Cheney seriously anymore has a serious mental deficiency.

Given that Cheney is not against gay marriage, he would not pass the current Republican purity test.

Cheney in 2012?

Considering his ticker problems, I have to wonder if he'll still be alive in 2012.

A 24 pt headline (any day now) wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Aside from that, Cheney fancies himself a "king maker" . . . (not a King). Cheney's skullduggery works better when it's someone else's head on the chopping block (George Bush).

The neo-cons are still looking for their ideal puppet candidate. Smarter than George Bush (according to PNACer Bill Krystol) but still willing to do as he's told. However, the Land of OZ seems a little barren right now . . . except for some crazy ol' white rabbit called Newt.

Also, I read recently that JEB's son, George Prescott Bush, is being groomed for later down the road. Obviously "P", as he's nicknamed, will have to do some damage control over all three of his names.

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