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Monday, November 30, 2009

Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing this morning of four Lakewood police officers, was granted clemency nine years ago in Arkansas by then-Gov. Mike Huckabee.

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If this guy is the killer, Mike Huckabee's presidential aspirations died with those cops.

That's the danger of clemency; you don't know what will happen in the future, and it may come back to haunt you.

In any case, had I known about the clemency nine years ago, I can't say I would have disagreed with granting clemency to someone who had served 11 years, when they started their sentence at 18.
Have to know more about the case, although I'm not sure what kind of crime gets you a 108-year sentence in Arkansas.
"Weapons and robbery" doesn't tell you enough.

One of the reasons I like Huckabee is that he attempted to show some Christian compassion while in office. But clemency is fraught with political peril. No one would ever be able to forget his role in this, however well-intentioned he was a decade ago.

I can not in good conscience condemn Huckabee for this. He was doing what Jesus would want done. You know forgiveness. It is sad that this suspected cop killer decided to not take that forgiveness to heart and change His life for the better. Sorry but no condemnation for Huckabee will be coming from Me.

Larry

Let's see if the RNC and co. treats this like Dukakis and Willie Horton

The only one's that have an opinion on this worth worrying about are those who might have voted for Huckabee to begin with. I wouldn't have voted for him but I also wouldn't hold this against him. There are a lot of convicts walking the streets, by the release of a lot of people.


Let's see if the RNC and co. treats this like Dukakis and Willie Horton

#5 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-11-30 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Looks like the Libs already are.....

This has got to be the worst parole descision I ever heard about. What in God's name is Huckabee doing in an office like that?

Well, now Huck has his own Willie Horton. I'd hate to be in prison appealing for clemency to governor with presidential hopes...gonna be a hard sell..

Let's see if the RNC and co. treats this like Dukakis and Willie Horton

Well I sure do. Fucking dumbass (then) Gov. Huckabee freed this shady dude. It's always hard to judge in hindsight, but this was a bad call.

Huck's chances at being president were like Edwards' pre-affair, a 3rd place candidate just barely a major player.

The only one's that have an opinion on this worth worrying about are those who might have voted for Huckabee to begin with.

True, but Republican candidates hammer their opponents as soft on crime. I can't imagine GOP voters will be able to overlook a giant Willie Horton issue for one of their prospective nominees.

Huck's chances at being president were like Edwards' pre-affair ...

He's been leading in polls among potential Republicans. It's too early for polls to matter, but still ...

Huckabee won't be able to get a job as dog catcher.

He can kiss his political aspirations adios forever.

You guys that think Huckabee was right by doing the christian thing need to look at the record and see how many pot smokers were jailed in Arkansas when they released this obvious career criminal. It's all politics in cases like this and usually all about political favors for lawyers. Who wants to bet Clemmons court appointed attorney was a Huckabee favorite for a promotion?

This ia a very bizarre set of circumstances from a nearly 200 year expected prison term at 17, missed prosecution after being arrested again after commutation by Huckabee to his alleged mental state to a cop killer.

Actually,when Napalitano was governor of my state she almost granted this guy Cummerlo(I know I spelled it wrong cause I couldn't find it on the internet)clemency.The guy had chopped up his girlfriend's husband,put him in a couple ice chests and got caught dumping him in a dumpster at a holiday inn.But this happened when I was in grade school,along long time ago.
Anyway Janet was informed in time and most folks had never heard of this guy.But I was in the same school district as cummerlo's kids and I sure remembered.Even as a stupid kid I knew that was fucked up for his kids,not to mention his wife.

You can't make this shit up..

This is the reason I don't have any sympathy for "youthful" violent offenders.

Huckabee was stupid enough to granted clemency because the perp was 17 at the time he did his crime.

Stupid move Huckabee. LET THEM ROT, or EXECUTE them.

Headline of an AP story filed 14 hours ago, before news of this clemency broke:

Huckabee leaning against another presidential run

www.google.com

Can you imagine how much better our legal system would work if it wasn't clogged up with moronic drug cases?

Next time he'll just lynch the bastard.

I thought you couldn't kill armed people?

Huckabee also granted this for a convicted rapist, who went on to rape again.

He is DONE as a presidential candidate.

ALEXANDRITE, don't be so sure.

You're assuming someone without WORSE flaws will be put against him.

Having said that, it IS an ugly flaw that could very well send my vote to someone else (not that Huck was my first choice to begin with, but he sure was not the last, and still is not...)

If this guy is the killer, Mike Huckabee's presidential aspirations died with those cops.

The story is about four cops getting killed. Only a true partisan ass would try to make it about anything else to further their agenda. Especially when the suspect isn't known, and is merely a "person of interest". I guess that because it's ok to do it at the Huffpost, it's ok here too. You were awful quick to jump on the story of the poor slob that committed suicide and had "FED" on his chest and run with it too, weren't you?

I love how libturds run around with glee in their eyes when they think something negative happened to a republican candidate.

Maybe you should get the drool out of your mouths and think about the families of the slain police officers.

As for Huckabee as a presidential candidate he is certainly better than the ass clown we have currently.

Clemmons should swing if found guilty. Then, if that happens, Huckabee should serve out the commuted remainder of Clemmons' Arkansas sentence in the murderer's stead.

The story is about four cops getting killed possibly by a guy that Mike Huckabee let out of jail early. Only a true partisan ass would try to make believe that if this story turn out to be true it won't affect Huckabee's chances of gaining the GOP nom.

~Cookie

FTFY.

Actually, the religious right seem willing to forgive and forget just about anything anyone who espouses their agenda gets caught doing.

While crucifying folks like Dukkakis fer doing the same thing, btw.

That sed, while this will lower his chances at a GOP nom bid it will not sink them.

It will definitely sink him in the general but not neccessarily the nom.

Spud's take.

Be Well.

Funny how Buzkiller condemns anyone who would make political points against a Republican candidate while in the same post making political points against a Democrat. While declaring a Republican is better Funny how that all works out,

Larry

"Four cops were killed. Yawn. What?!! Huckabee's name is somehow losely connected with this guy that no one can confirm as the killer? Big Bold Print on the Front Page!!! Yeah! I'm gonna learn the journalism business, 'cause this is fun! And, hey, that third-person-talking-potato- idiot-from-Canada thinks I'm cool, too! Bonus!!"

Ol' Huck has his own TV show so he can pull a "Jimmy Swaggart" and bawl like a baby any time he wants.

Crying in public can be a good political move.

Watch and see if he doesn't moist up for the camera at some point.

(Weeping Pathetically) I have sinned against You Mah Lord. Jimmy Swaggert circa around 1988 or there bouts. Makes one wonder if those Televangilists take acting classes.

LARRY

I don't know about acting lessons but they certainly have bespeckled beancounters behind the curtain, keeping track of what tactic brings in the most money.

It's the money, not the Lord's work, they're in it for.

I repeat . . .

"Crying in public is a good political move."

So, let me see if I have the jist of the story... someone committed crimes at age 17... and after 11 years in jail... he was allowed to go free by Huck. Now, this criminals MIGHT have committed new crimes [in this case, very horrible ones]. By that token, can you say that any gov. ever could be elected? What are they supposed to do, keep convicts in prison forever?

The left needs to be honest... you can't attack Huck for allowing someone out of jail and then bitch cause we have over crowded prisons and higher taxes to support them.

The right needs to be honest, if you want lower taxes then criminals will have to be released before they serve their full sentence... and sentences for non-violent crimes [including drugs] will need to be re-thought.

Personally, as a libertarian, I would say legalize anything a person wanted to put in their body (drug, prostitution, make all prescriptions available over the counter) and tell people to be responsible for the results themselves.

Yep it's about the money. They don't care about the souls of their followers, It's all about how to fleece the flock of their monies. Damned snake oil salesmen

Larry

Actually, the religious right seem willing to forgive and forget just about anything anyone who espouses their agenda gets caught doing.

While crucifying folks like Dukkakis fer doing the same thing, btw.

That sed, while this will lower his chances at a GOP nom bid it will not sink them.

It will definitely sink him in the general but not neccessarily the nom.

Spud's take.

Be Well.

#28 | Posted by dethspud

Yeah OK... Spud, Dems never do the same. They are all full of shit. Maybe you need to drink some Astroglide (as you usually refer to me as) it may make it easier to remember some shit.

On another note you catch the Junkies this year? They skipped Dallas, but I caught them in Santa Fe...

I thought you couldn't kill armed people?

What idiot liberal told you that shit?

LARRY

There are a gazillion of them out there fleecing somebody every time they open their mouth,

I thought Robert Kennedy was the worst of them all . . . for weeks he was selling a Y2K survival book. For weeks he was telling his followers that anything with a computer chip was going to stop working.

The man was a menace.

Also, Robert Tilton who was selling prayer cloths (which ended up in the dumpster behind his bank).
He was back on the air after doing his jail time. Some other bozo is also on the air now selling "prayer towells."

Also, Oral Roberts, whose claim to fame was "If I don't raise a million dollars, the Lord is going to take me home."

They're all bunko artists, but they're rich bunko artists.

I never could understand why people remain so gullible.

TwinPac I think the ONLY Teleevangilist that was ever totally honest about solicitig donations from His flock was Dr Gene Scott. I always loved hearing His sermons. He didn't beat around the Bush and lie to You. Too bad His widow is a conartist. Pastor Michelle Scott aka Barbie Bridges Porn fame. Now She is a definite Charlatin.

Larry

Sorry that is Melissa Scott NOT Michelle.

When I was looking at Huckabee months ago there was a lot to like about his decision making as governor of Arkansas, however, some of his clemency decisions left me cold---it's interesting now that this happened--Eric Holder's involvement in the pardoning of Marc Rich also makes my blood boil

A christian behaving like Christ upsets you?

A christian behaving like Christ upsets you?

#42 | Posted by jackass

I don't know how this is behaving like Christ?

The story is about four cops getting killed. Only a true partisan ass would try to make it about anything else to further their agenda.

I like Huckabee and would prefer him to be the Republican nominee out of the current field. He's the most moderate of the bunch. I just think he's toast.

Christian try to show forgiveness. He did it didn't work this time. Hopefully there will be others who continue to show forgiveness. I don't agree with him on much but I think he is a decent man. One of very few republicans. He seems like the type of guy who would actually give a shit about his employees unlike Romney.

I think Huckabee will be Dukakisized if he runs again. Who knows if it will work on him though, since he can do damage control beforehand... no doubt it will be brought up though...

.....I'm not a Huck fan.......

.....but you can't blame him for this......

....hindsight being 20 / 20 ......

If Lee Atwater wasn't a moldering corpse, think of the political hay that scumbag would make out of this story. That is, before cancer turned his brain into mush and he became a repentent follower of baby jeebus.

I'm not going to knock Huck on the decision he made to commute the sentence. I don't know the details of what led to that decision. I'm sure more will come out on that. If this man ends up getting arrested and convicted from these murders I wonder how this will weigh on Huckabee's conscious.

The people I think need a close look in all of this are those that released this man from jail 6 days ago. Even if he is not the person responsible for the cop killings how can a judge sleep at night after granting bond for someone like Clemmons? Just because a psychologist said he mentally fit to stand trial does not mean he is mentally fit to be set free.

From Huckabee's statement:

Should he [Clemmons] be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State. He was recommended for and received a commutation of his original sentence from 1990. This commutation made him parole eligible and he was then was paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time. He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him. It appears that he has continued to have a string of criminal and psychotic behavior but was not kept incarcerated by either state....
www.politico.com

Lotsa luck, Mike, explaining that to the bumper-sticker thinkers in your party.

Christian try to show forgiveness. He did it didn't work this time. Hopefully there will be others who continue to show forgiveness. I don't agree with him on much but I think he is a decent man. One of very few republicans. He seems like the type of guy who would actually give a shit about his employees unlike Romney.

#45 | Posted by jackass

The act of forgiveness has to do with forgiving the individual--getting past the bitterness and hatred and not holding the act against the individual that they committed against you. Example--Jackass posts a derogatory post toward me filled with invective and inappropriate language--if I were a chrisian, I would forgive Jackass for that abusive behavior but not necessarily the act--that's why we have societal laws to protect us from similar acts by individuals. I do not personally try to injure Jackass for his behavior and still love him in return as a creation of God--but I may want to separate Jackass from others since out of love you wouldn't want others to be harmed by his abusive behavior.

Jackass, I do agree with you that Huckabee is an honorable and good man and as president would actually care about the common man of this country--also agree with your assessment of Romney who I am very uncomfortable with.

One of the reasons I like Huckabee is that he attempted to show some Christian compassion while in office. But clemency is fraught with political peril. No one would ever be able to forget his role in this, however well-intentioned he was a decade ago.

#3 | Posted by rcade at 2009-11-30 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Excellent point!

Governor Bill Clinton made a show of executing retard Ricky Ray during his campaign, so as to burnish his 'tough on crime' credentials.

That was shameful on Clinton's part. If there is a heaven you can better believe he will have to answer for that.

Huckabee is a moron. Even if he doesn't deserve to get flak over this, I hope it keeps him from being a serious contender. Hopefully Palin and Jindal have done the same thing.

One of the reasons I like Huckabee is that he attempted to show some Christian compassion while in office. But clemency is fraught with political peril. No one would ever be able to forget his role in this, however well-intentioned he was a decade ago.

#3 | Posted by rcade

Huckabee was the only republican I was comfortable with and admired what he accomplished in Arkansas as governor---the only area that caused me discomfiture was some of his clemency decisions---forgiveness is admirable but you have to separate the person from the act---you forgive the person but then you have to look at the act and the chance of that continual bshavior--you don't reform psycho-paths or socio-paths and that's where I feel Mike made some poor decisions. Having said that he was better presidential material then a person we all know that was totally unqualified for that position and now is being unmasked.

"Hopefully Palin and Jindal have done the same thing...."

Huckabee may have made an error of judgment, but there's really no way it could have been his error alone.

As for Palin, the woman has already communicated her taste for a cynical use of power. The people who like her appear not to care.

there's really no way it could have been his error alone.

That's why I said he may not deserve what's coming to him after this. I have other reasons for wanting Huckabee to fail, but if this is the one that works, so be it.

Of course, Texas Gov Rick GoodHair Perry not only executed a guy that did apparently deserved clemency, but has now replaced the members of a commission that were investigating his actions with his friends.

Politicians shouldn't be the ones making these decisions when there are judges that could do it with less possibility of political influence for whatever reason.

I can't imagine how bad Palin would be. She would probably quit after a year though so she could write another book.

"One of the reasons I like Huckabee is that he attempted to show some Christian compassion while in office. But clemency is fraught with political peril."
#3 | Posted by rcade

Rcade, I am pretty sure you would not praise to a pol who invades a foreign country because God told him to do so or a Taliban leader who denies education to women because they do so based on what they claim is their religious principles.

If Huck made his decision because there were outstanding questions about Clemmons guilt then I cannot knock his decision. If he says his religious faith was a determining factor then Huckabee loses my support on this issue.

"If he says his religous faith was a determining factor then Huckabee loses my support on this issue..."

Mercy is such a rare thing. Huckabee may have made a mistake in reasoning and judgment. Its never a mistake to feel compassion.

Rcade, I am pretty sure you would not praise to a pol who invades a foreign country because God told him to do so or a Taliban leader who denies education to women because they do so based on what they claim is their religious principles.

No, I wouldn't. But those aren't examples of Christian compassion.

huckabee will NEVER, EVER win a national office now. Poor decision, poor judgment. He's toast.

Wanna bet his pathetic show on Fixed News ends soon. This type of error is non-negotiable with the moronic and repugnant GOP.

"No, I wouldn't. But those aren't examples of Christian compassion."
#62 | Posted by rcade

"Its never a mistake to feel compassion."
#61 | Posted by Zed

Let me put it to you a different way then. How about a political leader who says we need to topple (enter harsh government name of your choice) because the people who live in that country deserve our compassion and therefore should be liberated from living under said regime.

How do you determine when it is appropriate to make political decisions based on religious ideology?

That's why I said he may not deserve what's coming to him after this. I have other reasons for wanting Huckabee to fail, but if this is the one that works, so be it.

#57 | Posted by JOE

Obviously, Joe is a political partisan and that is a statement in itself on his intellect and decision making.

JOHNNY, I'm the last person here to defend George W. Bush, if this is what you're getting to.

Politicians shouldn't be the ones making these decisions when there are judges that could do it with less possibility of political influence for whatever reason.

#58 | Posted by Corky

Agree completely.

In regards to war, I think this should be an absolute last resort. I think God approves of this attitude. It is, I need to say it, merciful and compassionate.

Cynical people have always attempted to use God for personal ends. People truly hearing the voice of God have usually not been granted much in this life. If I heard that "still voice", I might pull a Jonah and try to run.

Zed, while Iraq was certainly an inspiration for that scenario it is not reason for my question. I think my point is summed up pretty well in that question.

"How do you determine when it is appropriate to make political decisions based on religious ideology?"

FYI...I think Bush was a fake christian who only decided to find religion about the same time he decided to become a "rancher" and that is because it was a calculated political move. Bush had a dozen reasons, all of them wrong minded, for going into Iraq but I don't believe christian compassion came into the decision.

"If this guy is the killer, Mike Huckabee's presidential aspirations died with those cops."

Not with the devotee's ------ they are willing to overlook and excuse culpability of their favored Imam while simultaneously claiming ownership of "personal responsibility".
Huckabee will blame Jesus as his kind always does and they will respond with a collective Amen.

Huck for Prez id dead. The only question is will FAUX keep this aider of cop killers on the air. Glad to see people remember Willie Horton, cause paybacks may be a bitch, but what goes around, comes around is cool.

How do you determine when it is appropriate to make political decisions based on religious ideology?

People make political decisions based on their personal morality all the time, whether it's a religious-based morality or something else. The blanket rule you're looking for here seems excessively anti-religious to me. If a Christian feeds the poor, isn't that a good thing regardless of whether another Christian thinks we need to fight a holy war against Islam?

Any compassion shown towards killers, rapists, terrorists or lazy welfare types is always a mistake and has nothing to do with real Chistianity. Mike H. is a secular weeny lib.

I don't think it is anti-religious. I think it is anti-religious ideologues. What I question is the approach because they are not making that decision based on the facts of the situation.

If a pol's faith teaches them to care for the poor and he makes the decision to start a program that provides breakfast at school for poor kids based on his religious belief then I don't agree with the method.

If a pol with the same faith decides that his religion inspired him to look into the issue and he found that hungry kids are more likely to get sick, miss school and that they cannot concentrate in class which causes them get lower grades and they create disruptions in the classroom so we need to provide them breakfast then I can get behind that.

Funny how religion played so little in this decision, yet as usual it dominates the conversation. Why? Because it was a republican governor? I guess everyone from the PO to the governor that signed off on this release, were obviously republican as well, and Christianity is to blame for this guy being released and killing four cops.

Funny how religion played so little in this decision, yet as usual it dominates the conversation. Why? Because it was a republican governor? I guess everyone from the PO to the governor that signed off on this release, were obviously republican as well, and Christianity is to blame for this guy being released and killing four cops.

#75 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-11-30 10:57 AM

No shit.

Having said that he was better presidential material then a person we all know that was totally unqualified for that position and now is being unmasked.

Matsop-this is about Huckabee, not SARAH!!

Can we get the headline font size increased? I can barely make out what it says...

Religion and spirituality are two different issues--you can be religious and not spiritual--example: the Kennedys--say they are catholic but don't go with the church's tenets such as the sanctity of life and abortion---their personal careers are more important then their beliefs---they try to get out of the dilemma with the ubiquitous cop-out of "I personally don't agree with abortion but a woman has the right to do with her body what she wants"--so the kennedys go to mass and they do everything a "religious" person should do for good standing. They are religious as are many in other faiths. They aren't spiritual. The spiritual person would make the basis of their beliefs (bible, koran, etc) as the ultimate determinate of their world-life view and it would be reflected in their thought processes, what they say, and their actions. They would risk their careers, personal advancement based on their beliefs---they may even make the decision to give up their lives for what they believe in---they certainly would not be successful as politicians (post of how politicians and serial killers traits are similar). More important to spiritual individuals is what they perceive their god has directed them to be and not what the world and man tries to direct them to be. In other words a religious person goes through religious motions and the spiritual person lives or attempts to live what he/she confess.

"Funny how religion played so little in this decision, yet as usual it dominates the conversation. Why? Because it was a republican governor? ...Christianity is to blame for this guy being released and killing four cops."
#75 | Posted by crispee_oc

Crisp, I give Huck the benefit of the doubt that religion was probably not the determining factor in Huck's decision.
That said we do not know that it was not either. And considering that Huckabee is a Southern Baptist Minister I can certainly understand why some would jump to the conclusion.

As for the chain of events that led to Clemmons release, in the end buck stopped with Huck. He is the one who needs to explain his decision.

And who is blaming Christianity for the cops deaths, assuming Clemmons is guilty party? The people I most want to hear from are the ones who let him walk back on to the streets a week ago.

Huckabee would never have or will be a political contender, too much of a bible throwing whimp. Why is this story so huge for Rcade then? Don't get it. Stupid.

I'm waiting for the Clowns at Fox News to condemn their fellow employee an Republican Presidential candidate to say something about this clown HUCKABEE.....How many segments on the Fox-Republican Network would there HAVE had this been a Democratic Governor, lets say BILL CLINTON, had let this KILLER go free HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHATHESE CLOWNS WOULD HAVE HAD A FIELD DAY, This MAJOR NEWS EVENT will give the Fox-Republican Network a chance to prove that they are indeed a News Network, my guess is they will FAIL!!!!!!!!

Your just calling him a clown because he is white Celerystick.

This guy took ALL the under-educated states last time around

As I said earlier Huckabee is a dumb-ass but he commuted the sentence 9 years ago on the recommendation of the parole board which means the 108 year sentence was cut down to something like 48. Btw celisary, it is the lead story on Fox, do your homework for once numb nuts.

Huckabee's fault? A little. But this guy still have decades of time hanging over his head that was never served, even after he got out of jail in the first place. Commuted from 104 to 47(?), this fuck should still be in jail. Huckabee did not have power over the parole board's action. Fucked up situation. Hopefully this dumb fuck will die several hours after a few gunshots to the gut.

it is the lead story on Fox, do your homework for once numb nuts.

#85 | Posted by fishpaw

Good for FOX--what seperates them from other media.

Nice rant there celerystick. The story is all about Huckabee, but it does mention, ( you could have picked up on if you could read) was that Clemmons was released 7 days ago from Washington on bail for a child rape charge. I don't think that was Huckabee's decision. Nice use of the word Cunt on your part though.

"He was released on bond 6 days ago from Pierce County Wa. Jail where he was being held on a 2nd degree child rape charge."

He was released in Arkansas after serving eleven years after he had been convicted of weapons and robbery charges. He wasn't a killer or child rapist at that point. If everyone wants Huckabee to share the blame, it would appear logical to me to place the MAJORITY of the blame for these killings on the liberal judge who put this guy back on the street in Washington.

it is the lead story on Fox, do your homework for once numb nuts.

#85 | Posted by fishpaw

Good for FOX--what seperates them from other media.

So if lefties hold Huck to Republican standards (Willie Horton)for this, its a bad thing, but if FAUX reports it, it's a good thing? Has Mikey resigned yet?

From FOX-"The whole time Clemmons kept saying things like trust him, the world is going to end soon, and that he was Jesus," the report reads.

maybe Mikey was just covering his bases...

Huckabee shares No Blame in any of this ------ it was the Prosecutors Fault.

Sincerely

"republicans" for Personal Responsibility

What's the latest scoop? He was injured in a shootout with cops. There is evidence left behind at a carwash. He was seen getting off of a bus near the local university.

So he may now start a shootup at the university. Fear. This mental case continues to elude cops like only a highly trained OP could. He had 200 years worth of charges or convictions, yet he was released, then prosecuters failed to indict him on futher crimes. Did he have a mission to fulfill? Maybe time will tell. How much more drama will it take for common sense to dictate how improbable this story is?

His family claimed secret service were after him for a letter to the President. What better script for gun control and other false extremism legislation than this one?

I'm a little surprised not to see someone blaming Bush for all this. Seems like every thing else is his fault. But the left needs someone to blame, preferably someone conservative to deflect blame from the liberal crap that the current criminal justice system is drowning in. Sure Huckabee commuted the sentence down to a mere four decades, but who let him out of jail? Looking for someone to blame? Look in the do-gooder ACLU mirror, for aren't these poor fucks just misunderstood? And isn't it racist to even call this poor man a criminal. Surely he's merely a victim of white power and a governmental establishment that only wants to keep the black man down. The lib posters here should be this man's greatest fans.

"Did he have a mission to fulfill? Maybe time will tell. How much more drama will it take for common sense to dictate how improbable this story is?

His family claimed secret service were after him for a letter to the President. What better script for gun control and other false extremism legislation than this one?"

So are you saying Huckabee may be part of some secret organization that is out to tighten gun restrictions? That's rich!

"What better script for gun control and other false extremism legislation than this one?"

This is the Thread where the predictably Delusional starts in with their claims of a kennedy/kerry/Clinton/obama conspiracy hatched during the Vietnam War to undermine Bush's war record and legacy, kill Christmas, destroy chritianity, convert us to islam, take our gunz, and malign the republican's outstanding record of governance.

No, this is the thread where Liberals pretend to believe in law and order, rather than their belief that criminal are merely repressed minorities and it's the fault of conservatives that they were in jail in the first place. This is sort of like their silly arguments that they support the troops, but hate the war. In reality, libs hate any symbol of law and order, be that police or military, and have no remorse when such are killed. Clearly it's the fault of the police officers that they got themselves killed. No doubt they were very recently beating a minority into submission for something they didn't commit.

#95 johnny
Not necessarily. Of course it's all speculation, but how much sense does this story have?

Huck would probably not know why he was to release him, just that political favors were involved.

According to ABC, he was released from WA custody although he had warrant in Arkansas. He cut off his monitoring bracelet. He was suspected to be in a house where they locked down a neighborhood, fired tear gas, then determined he wasn't there. He has a potentially fatal wound to the chest, but is at large. Acquaintances of his stated he told them he was going to shoot some cops. They told police after the events unfolded.

As a condition of early release why don't they surgically neuter these convicts to diminish their aggressiveness? It would save prison costs and reduce subsequent crime.

#96 redneck
Why don't you write something that adds to the story? Use your wisecrack skills to make some sense of this drama.

malign the republican's outstanding record of governance.

No redneck. I am no fan of Huckabee. I do not wish to make a victim out of him.

Yes, obviously there is only speculation at this point.

Let's see if the RNC and co. treats this like Dukakis and Willie Horton

#5 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ AT 2009-11-30 12:27 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Uh, don't you mean the DNC?

Of course the RNC isn't going to cannibalize it's own. Question is whether all of those lefties that moaned about racism and Willie Horton will capitalize on this unfortunate event.

"Question is whether all of those lefties that moaned about racism and Willie Horton will capitalize on this unfortunate event."

And if they don't, and Fox keeps quiet, who -- in your estimation -- will be the hypocrites?

Then Fox would be. I hear it's their lead story. But I don't watch it so don't really know for sure.

If everyone wants Huckabee to share the blame,

Jest-according to the Republican position, Huck should never have let this guy out. If he had done his job in the first place, this never would have happened. It's all on him.

Just ask George Herbert Bush.

Like I said, what goes around, comes around.

My compassion for Mr. Clemmons goes as far as my preferring the authorities just camp on the house until he bleeds out and saves the taxpayers of Washington State all that $$ he'll suck up being incarcerated for the rest of his life. Gut shot, eh? Hopefully, that will take a while. We should get a collection together and send the barneys a couple boxes of Krispy Kremes and some coffee while they wait.

This isn't Huckabee's fault any more than Willie Horton was Dukakis.' Granting parole and/or early release isn't an exact science.

Non story as far as Huckabee is concerned. Commuted the sentence to 47 years on advice from the parole board 9 years ago.

If you take the story on face value, this guy claimed to be Jesus. One might understand this claim as arrogance given how he was sprung free so many times upon a continued crime spree. Perhaps for other reasons as well.

In Huckabee's defense --

At the time he granted this alleged cop killer clemency, this guy had already served 11 years of a 60 year sentence for robbery and possessing a handgun on school property.

60 years is a long time for a crime where there was no bodily injury, assault or murder on another person. In California today, he'd probably would have been sentenced to do only 5 years in jail.

Huckabee may not have been that out of line in granting clemancy considering the guy had already served 11 years and was only 17 at the time he committed the crimes. All the other criminal charges the man committed occurred afterwards, and Huckabee isn't a fortune teller.

For Christ sake, he assualted a cop and raped a child 7 days ago in Washington and the judge granted him bail, so that is all Huckabee's fault? You Libs are priceless.

oh I just heard about this on the radio

is this is willy horton??

does anyone think that if there was a 'd' after his name that the media would be even be reporting it.

I report
you decide...

hee hee

"so that is all Huckabee's fault? You Libs are priceless."

Who are the libs saying it is "all Huckabee's fault"?

This Lib is wanting to know why in the hell this guy was set free on bond a week ago. Many other libs here has noted they understood why Huckabee gave the commutation.

You generalizers are priceless.

Um Johnny, what is the headline of the story?

"Non story as far as Huckabee is concerned. Commuted the sentence to 47 years on advice from the parole board 9 years ago."
#106 | Posted by fishpaw

I disagree that it is a non story for Huck. By commuting the sentence Huckabee made Clemmons available for parole and may have known that in doing so parole would be granted. To act as if Huckabee played no role in his release is disingenuous.

I feel bad for Huck in this situation because I imagine, regardless of his public statement, that he is wrestling with his conscious today to some degree. I can't imagine any normal person could have something like this happen and not question themselves and that is even if Clemmons ends up being found not guilty.

"Um Johnny, what is the headline of the story?"

And the person who wrote that headline, Rcade, has come to the defense of Huckabee in this situation.

Do you only ever read the headline and think you are getting the full story?

If Rcade didn't want to put a jab into Repubs by using the Huckabee headline he wouldn't have run the thread especially in giant font this morning. The story could have started "man released on bail 8 days ago for raping a child and assaulting a police officer goes on killing spree." Then mention in the article that Huck commuted the sentence. My point is that the headlines as always are written politically and people like you have said that we need to do too much research on thir own to see if the intent of the headline is actually the whole story.

If Rcade didn't want to put a jab into Repubs by using the Huckabee headline he wouldn't have run the thread especially in giant font this morning.

This isn't a jab at Reps. It's big news for the whole country if Huckabee doesn't run in 2012. He was second to Palin in a recent poll of GOP hopefuls. Who will pick up his supporters? My guess is Palin.

Exactly my point that the headline was written strictly for political reasons. Nothing wrong with it but just the way things work these days.

If Willie Horton was "fair game," isn't this "fair game" too?

Payback's a bitch.

so is it a sure thing that it will keep him from running and/or winning?
I mean the left was outraged over willie horton so surely they wouldnt take the "OPPosITE" side when it suits them.

would THEY??????????????????????????

A friend of mine said he heard Huckabee say yesterday on one of the Sunday talk shows that he won't run in 2012. Did Huck know about this guy killing the cops then? Don't know.

EVEN though it wasnt republicans who first gave us the name willie horton

it was al gore wasnt it?

PS ..

he said on interview that he was happy with this show on fox.

"If Willie Horton was "fair game"..."

Well, that's what Republicans have been claiming...until just after Thanksgiving.

If Willie Horton was "fair game," isn't this "fair game" too?

I wonder what Huckabee has had to say about Willie Horton and clemency in general on his Fox show? He by have damned himself by his own past statements.

Im not saying anything one way or the other...

but if the gop is going to be demeaned about the 'real' willie horton shit, then why cant the left get the same treatment they gave to the gop then...

I wonder what Huckabee has had to say about Willie Horton and clemency in general on his Fox show? He by have damned himself by his own past statements.
#122 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2009-11-30 03:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG

While I don't know for sure, I do suspect that he recognizes that shit happens when you make decisions as Governor that don't pan out right. Believe it or not, plenty on the right - myself included - thought that the Willie Horton exploitation was terrible.

I will not hesitate, however, to point out the hypocrisy of the left should it start running Willie-Horton styled commercials.

This shouldn't be a deal killer for Huckabee (in and of itself) - but it probably is.

"If Clemmons is found responsible, "it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State," Huckabee said. He added that Clemmons' release from prison had been reviewed and approved by the Arkansas parole board"

OK Huck, blame The Justice System of AK and the Parole Board. You were just the governor, why should you take any responsibility?

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

What Huckabee said was that right now it is not likely that he would make a run but his decision is not made and that he would assess the situation at a later date before making a decision.

I believe his actual words were that it is less likely rather than more likely.

And he made that statement before the shooting occurred.

"the headline was written strictly for political reasons."

Is that why Matt Drudge also names Huckabee in his headline about the story?

The Huck will necessarily take heat for the decision... even though he's acting on input from his staff and perhaps others in the state. He made the decision based on the info available and thus owns it for better or worse.

Generally Dems are viewed as softer on crime and Reps are the tougher law and order gang.

So it'll hurt Huck to some degree should he decide to run... but not as much as it would harm a Dem like it did Dukakis.

#126 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Thanks for the info, j_h.

Good ole FOX's News Mr. Orielly circling the wagons around Mr. Huckabee, NOW according to Mr. Orielly its the Judges fault that this KILLER got loose not that he was commuted by Mr. Huckabee while he was Governor.....Where was Orielly when Mr. Dukakis, (DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SPELLING BUT YOU GET THE POINT) was being blasted about WILLIE HORTON, Fair and Balanced my ASS!!!!!!!

If Huck made his decision because there were outstanding questions about Clemmons guilt then I cannot knock his decision. If he says his religious faith was a determining factor then Huckabee loses my support on this issue.

#60 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

He was just on O'Reilly.

Huck says the judge in the kids case recommended commuting his sentence because the 100 years was over the top. The sentence was commuted to 47 years or something.

Huck would get 1200 pleas a year for commutations, pardons, etc. He said he denied 92% of them. That is over 10 years as governor.

He did the crime at 16 and served his time. I think he was released in 1989(?)

The parole board gave the guy goals to complete and the guy met them and they paroled him.

He was running amuk in AR....Were there charges or violations committed there too?

Then he goes to WA state and attacks a police officer and then allegedly rapes or molests a child. There may be other crimes--or alleged crimes charged.

The judge gives him bail and another releases him.

The guy them goes to the coffee shop and kills four cops.

Huck's situation is not the same as the Dukakis situation.

How could the judge(s) give him bail and let him out??

"Where was Orielly when Mr. Dukakis was being blasted about WILLIE HORTON"

Cussing out the staff on Inside Edition and sexually harassing any barely legal hottie that crossed his path?

This suspect is quilty if Huckabee is involved. -The Left.

Well, the Huck and FOX News took another stride away from the rest of the media in being fair and standing up, even when it is difficult.

Huckabee explained the Arkansas situation and the judges who let the guy out on $15,000 bail in Washington did not.

Sad situation which could happen anytime in this day and age.

And not going to say Huck won't get a lot of grief for this either.

#133 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Why go after O'Reilly JH?

Your comment was Huck and basing his decision on the law or his religious beliefs.

The judge in the case recommended to Huck to commute the guy's sentence--and he did.

Horton involved an entire program to let out dangerous people.

Huckabee acts like a conservative by admitting he was wrong and didn't blame anybody.

"the headline was written strictly for political reasons."

Is that why Matt Drudge also names Huckabee in his headline about the story?

#127 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2009-11-30 07:05 PM

The difference is this headline says "Huckabee Freed Suspected Cop Killer" which is false and suggestive.

The Drudge headline said "Huckabee granted clemency to man wanted for questioning." which is accurate without the political slant.

Aren't all the normal "right" here [i.e Murph, you listening?] in DR that are conveniently slow to judge this guy the same "right" that willing jumps head first into EVERY wild conclusions at any sensational news story about a supposed radical Muslim jihadist?

You must face the hypocrisy if you are to advance to your next level of intelligence!


Huckabee acts like a conservative by admitting he was wrong and didn't blame anybody.

#137 | Posted by KBM

Spoken like a true chimptard.


Huckabee said on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday night that Clemmons was allowed back on the street because prosecutors failed to file paperwork in time.

Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley, whose office opposed Clemmons' parole in 2000 and 2004, said Huckabee's comments were "red herrings."

"My word to Mr. Huckabee is man up and own what you did," Jegley said.


Read more: www.sfgate.com

Well, the Huck and FOX News took another stride away from the rest of the media in being fair and standing up, even when it is difficult.

They provided Huckabee with some calculated damage control on their propaganda network and you think that that's an example of Fox being "fair and standing up"?

S'rsly?

Thinking.

You're Doing It Wrong.

Be Well.

Fer the record Spud actually does like Huckabee.

He's dumber than dirt but in terms of potentially leading the Christian Right out of the wilderness they've been camping in for so long now he's a more viable candidate than Scary Failin by a massive margin.

Scary is dumber than retarded dirt.

Be Well.

In a decade as governor beginning in 1996, Mr. Huckabee did so twice as many times as his three predecessors combined. He typically gave little explanation for individual pardons. But he spoke often of his belief in redemption, based on a strong religious belief that even criminals are capable of changing their lives and often deserve a second chance. He also raised concerns about the fairness of the Arkansas justice system.

Jeebuz' fault!

Huckabee shares No Blame in any of this ------ it was the Prosecutors Fault.

Sincerely

"republicans" for Personal Responsibility

#91 | Posted by Redneckville

you and celisary have posted these things without watching one moment of fox I would guess because there is little of what you say going on
laura ingraham is roasting him this morning.......

Huckabee acts like a conservative by admitting he was wrong and didn't blame anybody.

#137 | Posted by KBM at 2009

he also takes full responsibility for it..
and the left went after bush for using it when it was a goddamn democrat who first brought it up in the primary.
lets NOT forget that assboys.....

what I think this shows includes both huckabe and dukakis...
give these fuckers some sympathy and they will come back and fuck you over.

"these fuckers' are what I am calling the perps..not the govs.

Why are Republicans so weak on crime? :)

I'm sure there's no way he could have known.

#137 | Posted by KBM at 2009
#145 | Posted by afkabl2

Which planet do you both live on and how many drugs are you taking? Do we need to bring up the long list of GOP hypocrits and responsibility dodgers? Really? Seriously? I think Huckabee is the first one to actually admit he made a mistake.

Let's See:

Liberal Judges Show Leniency to Killers and advocate for no death penalty...

...Republicans go fucking bananas and shout from the roof tops about a America's moral decay at the hands of 'Soft-On-Crime Libruls'...

Gov. Mike Huckebee show Leniency to a Killer/Child Rapist and lets him go...to kill again...

...and Republicans cite Christian Compassion.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Morons.

Gays can't marry! Hahahahahahahaha!

Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2009-12-01 02:49 PM | Reply| Flag: USES MOP TO PAINT

Here is the crux of his statement. As typical for media - they basically lie in the headline to attack. Notice that they only do this to Conservatives.

1st) He DID NOT "FREE" him. He reduced his sentence from over 100 years to 47. Had the parole board done its job the guy would still be in prison

2nd) it was at the recommendation of all 5 review board members

3rd) the Parole came after - then he did more crimes so they locked him up AGAIN. But the prosecutor screwed up by letting him go.

4th) as to Willy Horton - Dukakis did not just reduce his sentence - he let him go scott free. - a world of difference than this case...but anything to take out a potential viable Republican.

"Each state is different, but in Arkansas, a governor doesn't initiate a parolethe Post Prison Transfer Board does after it conducts a thorough review of an inmate's file and request. The board then makes a recommendation to the governor, who decides to grant or deny."

"If the decision is made to grant any form of clemency (the broad term for a commutation or a full pardon), the governor gives notice of intent and the file is sent to the prosecutor, judge, law enforcement officials, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of State as well as to the news media. A period of 30 days is then started for there to be public input as well as response from the above named officials. At the end of the public response period, the final decision is rendered. "

"Between 1,000 and 1,200 requests for some form of clemency came to my desk each and every one of the 10 years I was governor. Ninety-two percent of the time, I denied the requests. When I did grant them, it was usually based on the recommendation of at least five of the members of the PPTB, with consideration given to the input from public officials."

"Maurice Clemmons was 16 years old when he was charged with burglary and robbery. He was sentenced to a total of 108 years based on the way in which the sentences were stacked. For the crimes he committed and the age at which he committed the crimes, it was dramatically outside the norm for sentencing. The PPTB recommended in 2000 by a 5-0 vote for his sentence to be commuted."

"He had served 11 years of his sentence. A pardon would have set him free and cleared his record. A commutation to "time served" would have set him free and released him from any parole reporting. As per the recommendation, I commuted his sentence to the term of 47 years, still a long sentence for the type of crime he had committed, but it would make him parole eligible. It would not parole him, as governors do not have that power in Arkansas. He would have to separately apply for parole and meet the criteria for that."

"Despite news reports to the contrary, the only record of public response to the notice to commute was from the trial judge, who recommended the commendation in concert with the board. There were letters of support, but no record of letters of opposition."

"Following the commutation, he met the criteria for parole and was paroled to supervision in late 2000. When he violated terms of his parole by participating in additional crimes, he was returned to prison and should have stayed there. For reasons only the prosecutor can explain, charges were not brought forth in a timely way and the prosecutor ended up dropping the charges, allowing him to leave prison and return to supervised parole."

The problem, or rather one problem is that Huck had a habit of altering sentences for some awfully bad people based upon the word of his Baptist buddies. Several went on to kill, rape, rob or steal again.

www.salon.com

So...let me see if I have this right - we are being cruel to the Gitmo guys that are trying to kill us - by not letting them go......but Huckabee had a massive mistake in judgement that disqualifies him from the Whitehouse - because he shortened a 16 yr kids sentence from 106 years to 47?

#153...

Now I see where religion came into this thread. Should have known someone would have picked up that crap and smeared that concept here. Sadly, the Salon articles are a far cry from what FOSHAFFERS #152 post and pretty much proves how worthless echoing the likes of Salon, Huffington, Kos, Media Matters as truth or newsworthy.

Lets keep this in perspective. After all, which was
a worse transgression, Huckabee's pardon of Clemmons or McCain unleashing Palin on America?

a worse transgression, Huckabee's pardon of Clemmons or McCain unleashing Palin on America?

Palin's entertainment for the majority of Americans. She's deadly to the GOP.

I vote for McCain. This Huckabee thing, to me, isn't of itself an indictment of the man. Unfortunately it's enough of an indictment to harpoon his chances of being nominated or even running much of a campaign.

WILLIE HORTONS REVENGE!!

CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!

#152 Foshaffer
For reasons only the prosecutor can explain, charges were not brought forth in a timely way and the prosecutor ended up dropping the charges

Assuming this full account to be accurate, do you know where is this prosecutor now? Was he fired immediately?

Could Huckabee have commuted him to 36 more years w/o possibility of parole?

#155 crispee
the Salon articles are a far cry from what FOSHAFFERS #152 post

The #152 post does not even address Huck's previous issues with commutations. Did you bother to read it? Even if skewed somewhat, it's not simply made up.

maybe huckapoo can get him one of obama's non-existant new jobs.

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