Your two party system in action ladies and gents.

How wise. It would be easy to write an immediate response if you wrote the other side's argument as well.

That's right. And if you happen to expose the two party system as the sold out pit of corporate shills that it is, then all the better.

You mean the dems use "talking points"?

It can't be.

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Yeah, and they don't take money from lobbyists either.

"You mean the dems use "talking points"?"

We never denied that there are Democrats owned and operated by the insurance industry.

Liberman
Baucus
Ben Nelson
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others

Anyone who is basing their opposition to the health care bill on the public option is a shill and all the other Senators know it.

Anyone who is basing their opposition to the health care bill on the public option is a shill and all the other Senators know it.

Even if they believe that the public option doesn't really change anything and is a waste of money if you aren't going to have single payer?

This is what writers do. Hired guns, just like lawyers, real estate brokers and a lot of other occupations.

I've ghost written book chapters, training manuals, books, and speeches.

A writer is not a puppet master but someone who understands how to put ideas into words. I don't write anything that my client does not believe in.

"Even if they believe that the public option doesn't really change anything and is a waste of money if you aren't going to have single payer?"

No, those are the smart people. Obviously the public option will be just as you say but it is a necessary stage on the journey. We will eventually get there but we may have to play some idiotic games before we do.

#8 | Posted by vernon

So you're saying this lobby group had such outstanding ideas that both parties couldn't help but believe in them? To the extent that over a dozen would enter statements that were a word for word recitation of the lobby group talking points?

Or did our lawmakers just say what their corporate overlords paid them to say?

One lobbyist close to Genentec said, ""This happens all the time."

Finest government money can buy. Like the righties say, some people are more equal than others.

Talking points mocking points, Corporations are writing our legislation for Congress, who obediently vote on it. Democracy in action.

"Democracy in action."

Is that three words, or only two?

No, those are the smart people. Obviously the public option will be just as you say but it is a necessary stage on the journey. We will eventually get there but we may have to play some idiotic games before we do.

#9 | Posted by danni

Journey to where?

Someday, should there also be public options for eating and sleeping? Free food and housing for the masses?

In the end, there are only two choices that really matter.

A sovereign United States ruled under the Constitution.

Or, a former United States ruled under international treaties by unelected bureaucrats.

Sadly, most of you will wake up to this fact after it is too late to change it.

All because you, incrementally, gave away your own Freedom.

So you're saying this lobby group had such outstanding ideas that both parties couldn't help but believe in them?

#10 | Posted by the_nether at 2009-11-23 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a moron.

I said that a writer takes the ideas of the clients and puts them into clear language. The idea comes from the client. As the writer I just help express the idea.

#15 | Posted by vernon

Are you a lobbyist?

If so, please explain how a dozen or so legislators from both sides of the aisle all brought the same ideas to the same lobby group.

If you're not, then I don't think this has much to do with your line of work.

whores...

I detest talking points. Has our society so dumbed down that if it takes more than 15 seconds to express a concept we are unable to comprehend?

Here at Shill & Co. we refer to the phenomena as the "Power Point Mentality" - if you can't fit it on one slide, they won't understand...

So you're saying this lobby group had such outstanding ideas that both parties couldn't help but believe in them?

A politician is a creature who can hold totally opposing views in his head and fervently believe both of them at the same time.

I think Twain said that.

FTA: In recent years, Genentech's political action committee and lobbyists for Roche and Genentech have made campaign contributions to many House members, including some who filed statements in the Congressional Record. And company employees have been among the hosts at fund-raisers for some of those lawmakers. But Evan L. Morris, head of Genentech's Washington office, said, "There was no connection between the contributions and the statements."

No connection?

Good one!

Very funneh!

This is a case in point fer wot Spud is always going on about.

Too often the national debate in America, both in the media and in the words of yer popularly elected leaders, is a script. One that was originated in a series of corporately funded think tanks and then disseminated widely through the use of lobbyists.

Therefore the national debate gets framed in a certain way and folks are either supposed to believe script A or script B.

Which is why Spud luffs blogworld so much.

Here we can deconstruct the spin of these various talking points and think outside the narrow box that has been given us.

Be Well.

so, uh, what he fuck are we paying the politicians for?

what he fuck are we paying the politicians for?

who is "we"?

don't you live in Europe?

great question though.

This is an outrage...

- Happens all the time...

But, our system is compromised...

- If it has been standard operating procedure so far, then all is good...

But, all our destinies lead by this kind of rhetoric...

- Sure, but this is the way it has always been...

But, if that is true, then we are just the tide; controlled by whatever political gravitational body is closer to us at any given time...

- Such is the nature of American politics... Ad nauseam...