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Tuesday, November 24, 2009

The state of California agreed today to enact strict regulations on the amount of power televisions can consume, effectively outlawing some large plasma TVs as of January 1, 2011, with many more televisions set to be banned beginning January 1, 2013.

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CA is falling apart and this is one of their priorities???

No wonder people are fleeing from there in record numbers.

All told, the new rules are expected to save 6,515 Gigawatt-hours annually in the state, save the state $8.7 billion in costs for additional power plants, and save consumers $8.1 billion a year in lower energy bills.

Stupid Californians.


CA is falling apart and this is one of their priorities???
.......#1 | Posted by MSgt

....they don't have enough electricity.....

....better to ban the big tv's than to have rolling blackouts .......

.....besides, if they don't have tv's to look at, the Californians can look at each other.......

big stupid

Yeah, conserving is so stupid.

Where California goes, the rest of the U.S. Follows...

California to outlaw large plasma TV


What's next.

Get me out of here.

Hay man, these grow lights take alot of juce en' you dudes are wastin it on gonzo TVs!

Don't be foolish Cali. If you leave you will regret it forever. Other states have too many republicans.

California to outlaw large plasma TV


Every sports bar owner in the state just broke into tears.

In related news .......

Best Buy announces new chain of BIG TV stores in Arizona, Nevada, Oregon.

Like casinos and liquor stores, they will straddle state borders

Every sports bar owner in the state just broke into tears.
Posted by CalifChris

My heart is breaking for them. I hated bartending at sports bars.

The best bars I ever worked at were ones that were kinda like the retort actually.

California aside, try the LED type. The picture is superior to the LCDs and they consume 40% less energy according to Samsung.

All you need is a 27 inch tv. That is all we ever had in my house as a kid.

All you need is a 27 inch tv. That is all we ever had in my house as a kid.

How dare you have a TV when there are so many out there that don't? You're just a greedy fucker.

If someone can't see the difference between HD and SD, you need an eye exam.

This law is a scam. It was done to set a precident and open the door for some following regulatory actions. If they really wanted to make a difference, there are a lot of other ways to make a real difference. How about trying a few of these:
-Encouraging employers to have more of their employees work from home thus saving fuel for transit and for heating, cooling and lighting their working area.
-Build a few Nuclear Power plants and get rid of the old fossil fuel plants
-Tie energy consumption to income taxes (talk about taxing the rich)
-Tack on an energy tax for all the B.S. websites with all their mega-servers sucking up tons of energy for things like who's sleeping with who in Hollywood.

Regulating the size of a T.V. isn't even a start. It's a joke. And will likely have the net affect of hurting the California economy, and making criminals out of people who are not criminals.

Don't be foolish Cali. If you leave you will regret it forever....

Posted by jackass at 2009-11-23 02:04 PM


You left California.

I speak from experience and I am saving to move back while applying for hundreds of jobs.

better to ban the big tv's than to have rolling blackouts .......


.....besides, if they don't have tv's to look at, the Californians can look at each other.......

#3 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-23 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BUT WAIT A MINUTE

ENRON was at fault for all of those. I KNOW I READ it here...

they start with painting the top of your house black and your car black.
whats next
taking your damn dog?????


BUT THIS IS OKAY..its not like there is any football in california WORTH A shit to watch on the tube..LOL

KA BOOM...



better to ban the big tv's than to have rolling blackouts

If managed properly, rolling blackouts are not noticable. I voluntarily signed up for a rolling blackout program with Cobb EMC when I lived in Georgia for a 5% discount on my bill -- on top of the power I didn't pay for during the blackout. It affected only the AC/heater. I was promised it would never happen for more than a total of an hour a day and never more than 8 mnutes at a time. I don't know why the concept freaks people out so. I didn't notice it and it saved me money

All you need is a 27 inch tv.

No one needs a tv at all

For those who never bother to read an article before commenting:

"Rest assured, this doesn't mean the end of the television as we know it. As the California Energy Commission notes, as of now, over 1,000 televisions already meet the 2011 standards, so many manufacturers won't have to panic in order to comply with the regulations, at least for now."

How would I watch the UFC and other combat sports?

Goatman,

For those of us that work in IT and maintain lab/test equipment in our homes it's a bad, bad thing. I'd have to spend $800- 1500 in UPS' if I let Snobb EMC sign me up for that.

Mostly, I'm sorry that you had to deal with Snobb EMC, buncha thievin' bastards after they fgured out the dereg rules.

as of now, over 1,000 televisions already meet the 2011 standards

Gee, there has to be more TVs in California than that.

:-)

Hag how could a bar be like the DR? I don't know if I would attend a bar that Tosser would be at.

If the bar was called "Nooners" would you allow BL2 in there to talk everyone's ear off?

And then theres Chapel, discussing how we are all swimming in sin.

I would not like the DR Bar, unless there was a ping pong table. I would woop Danni's ass in ping pong.

Maybe they should also outlaw jacuzzis, swimming pools, and air conditioning in homes over 2,250 square feet. That would save a lot of money too. We're all about conservation, right?

They can also do something about all those server farms in Silicon Valley--imagine how much power those things gobble up, just so that millions of people can log on to Facebook. Then you can shut down bars and restaurants after 9:00 PM. Big savings there.

For those of us that work in IT and maintain lab/test equipment in our homes it's a bad, bad thing.

Why? Is temperature that critical? And if so, you are a very small minority I would think.

I never had any problems with Cobb EMC.

#16 | Posted by CalifChris

Sorry to hear that you are leaving Cali, it's not so bad, parts of it are excellent. It's all what you make it.

This state just amazes me.......... We cannot balance our budget, but they have the time for this SHIT..... NOW?????


ARE YOU SHITTING ME??????

If it were not for the kids and their families, I would get the so fuck out of this state.

TIMEX - It's about FREEDOM - so you are willing to accept the state govt telling you what type TV you can buy? THe govt is going to tell you what light bulbs you can use......

Ask yourself next - where will their mandates stop AND how submissive are you willing to be?

No one needs a tv at all


Amen to that.


It's about FREEDOM

I suggest you drive as fast as you want, ignore stop signs and traffic lights. It is all about FREEDOM.

ARE YOU SHITTING ME??????

If someone were able to pass a turd the size of you it would be a world record.

build another power plant and give Californians jobs. oops. I said the "J" word.

I enjoy watching TV. I will respect the laws of California though. They know better what's good for me than some foolish republican.

This story is confusing. It states that California is making large plasma TVs illegal, but also states that over 1,000 televisions meet the 2011 standards.

The end result here is likely to be that big TVs will meet these standards, not that they will be illegal.

"They know better what's good for me "

You funny...

Didn't they have a big push out there for electric lawnmowers? Perhaps now that has worked so well they can outlaw lawnmowing altogether... oh, wait, then they'll need a welfare program for illegals... oh, wait, then they'll need to raise taxes... oh, shit we're broke... what to do what to do...

Let's just fill the San Andreas with Crisco and sing Auld Lang Syne..

Californians still have TVs?

Another environmental legislative move that will insure CA's demise.

Brilliant!

This law is a scam.

Regulating the size of a T.V. isn't even a start.

#15 | Posted by bogey1355

"the state of California agreed today to enact strict regulations on the amount of power televisions can consume..."

Where in this statement is there any mention of regulating the size of the TV?

"The state had been concerned that 10 percent of a home's energy use is typically devoted to the TV and its related equipment, and that percentage has been increasing as consumers gain access to larger and larger (and cheaper and cheaper) televisions, which command an ever-increasing hunger for power."

The obvious result is that because a unit is larger, it demands more power. Add on all the ancillary equipment that everybody seems to require so they can have the full sensurround experience watching the "reality" shows.

Your suggestions:

"-Encouraging employers to have more of their employees work from home thus saving fuel for transit and for heating, cooling and lighting their working area.
-Build a few Nuclear Power plants and get rid of the old fossil fuel plants
-Tie energy consumption to income taxes (talk about taxing the rich)
-Tack on an energy tax for all the B.S. websites with all their mega-servers sucking up tons of energy for things like who's sleeping with who in Hollywood."

Some are workable. Some are not.

Nuke plants are hugely expensive.

Working from home is only feasible in a small amount of jobs.

An energy tax on "B.S. websites with all their mega-servers" will be passed on to the users of these websites somehow.

Which brings it all back around to high energy consuming devices, such as large format plasma TVs.

The consumers themselves, for the most part, are not willing to take steps to reduce. The consumer makes the choice of purchasing the 54-inch energy hog plasma set (how big a set does one really need?) without considering the long-term costs and consequences. Like the consumer who commutes 50 miles to work everyday in a Chevy Avalanche by him/herself.

More people, more need for entertainment, more energy consumption, more bitching about how the power industry can't keep up with increased demand, but when the taxes are levied and the energy costs rise because of the former, the people bitch and whine more, but still want more.

We are energy pigs in the US. We consume more than anybody. We entertain ourselves through the lavish application of energy more than anybody else. And we get all indignant when it is pointed out to us what a bunch of resource hogs we are.

A breaking point is coming...

Oink oink!

I've always been told to never ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself.

Maybe the California Gov't should follow the same policy...

Maybe the California Gov't should follow the same policy...

#41 | Posted by daprof

Y'a think Arnold and Maria would move into a two-bedroom rancher and take BART to work?


Hmm...legalize pot, criminalize big tv's.

heh, what are we going to watch when high?

Loh

CA is falling apart and this is one of their priorities???

No wonder people are fleeing from there in record numbers.

#1 | Posted by MSgt

The down side to it all is, 'what CA does, the rest of the nation follows'.

All told, the new rules are expected to save 6,515 Gigawatt-hours annually in the state, save the state $8.7 billion in costs for additional power plants, and save consumers $8.1 billion a year in lower energy bills.

Californians have way too much time on their hands.


Kinda wondering how they're going to enforce this...

I mean, sure the intent is to do beneficial things, but what's to stop consumers from buying out of State? It will also force people to buy a product to replace a perfectly functioning one in order to comply with pretty goofy law. Is akin to sodomy laws in the deep south (sodomy includes oral not just anal sex for those who dont know), where enforcment's almost non-existent because of privacy laws.

Also, would wonder, considering the immediate power issues they're already facing, what other things they'd rather regulate instead of addressing the real issue which is lack of power generation ability forcing them to buy from other states at rediculous rates.

Due to population increases, the consumption is going to go up and negate that "savings"...short term gain and puts a burden on the population, but then again short-term is the name of the game, long-term is just some other elected schlup's problem.


Weird.

Loh

Kinda wondering how they're going to enforce this...

#46 | Posted by Lohocla

With the electronic snooper tech available today, it could be as easy as driving a van down the street to read e-emissions or electrical power usage, or "reading" a apartment building with thermal imaging equipment.

How about simply placing power throttles/governors on incoming electrical current - meters already exist for measuring usage and charging the owners/renters for product (electricity). That's probably the most feasible of all: power throttles/governors. Each dwelling can have a max top usage limit, or a max allowance per day, based on the number of people living there. Reach these limits and your dwelling goes into brown-out mode until you turn off a few things.

Just speculating here.

The best thing about this is...what about the whole carbon credits mentality? If I run the most Green house in the world, install my own windmill, solar cells, a water sink for heating and cooling, etc... But I want my one vice in the world to be a HONKING LARGE energy guzzling TV, I can't? Even if with that TV my overall energy suck is still less then 90% of those around me? My neighbor could be running his AC at 50 degrees year round home or not, with 50 high end PC's running multiple HD's in each consuming about 300W per but they're fine.

Tack on the enforcement angle, Zot, you know they're not going to do any of those things, and in my example they wouldn't detect my TV...they'd get flagged on the pc user in my example...and do what? get a warrant to search his house for a big screen? and then find nothing?

the whole thing is silly and not enforceable.

to boot... over 1,000 models already qualify, Americans are sucking wind on finances and the makers are responding with TV's designed to use less electricity to make them more appealing, so the 'evil' market is correcting for this on it's own. It's a symbolic law that will do nothing, and will be made obsolete with the natural progression of the technology.

Nothing more than a band-aid on a gun-shot wound. Addressing over population and lack of conservation in other areas is a more realistic approach.

this happens every time we go to war.

The way I see it the government has to do something unless they all want to be in the dark. The stupid morons that live there sure aren't going to do anything but bitch about it.

Personally I favor the idea of rolling blackouts. It will wake the fat ass couch potatoes up. It might even motivate some of them do something more constructive with their time, but don't bet the farm on it.

"The way I see it the government has to do something"

Whether that something is effective or not?

whether that something is merely posturing, and wasting time?

I'd rather they do something, that works

Like the consumer who commutes 50 miles to work everyday in a Chevy Avalanche by him/herself.

by ZOT - Hey now. Don't get personal! I need that to carry my chain saws in case a power pole falls in front of me. :@))


I used to live in California, and I remember when they asked everyone to conserve energy because of peak usage problems. Everyone did their part and reduced energy consumption. THEN the energy companies raised their rates stating that since less energy is being used, they were not collecting enough money!

I left Cali in '91, and have been very happy with the move.

"Everyone did their part and reduced energy consumption. THEN the energy companies raised their rates stating that since less energy is being used, they were not collecting enough money!"

Had a similar issue in Colorado. Drought for many years and water board begged everyone to conserve. Water consumption finally dropped 30% so the water board raised rates. That was totally fucked up. Glad I moved. Sorry I spent 30 years there. It's good to be back home with family and friends now.

Fools.

I wonder why they didn't put energy limits on...

...say...

30,000 sq.ft. homes in Hollywood?

They gotta be using a lot more than their fair share of natural resources...

...or, private jets?

Lots and lots of those in Kalifornia.

...or, movie production?

I'll bet that industry wastes one hell of a lot of natural resources.

Never mind. I already know the answers.


Where California goes, the rest of the U.S. Follows...

#5 | Posted by Bu_Heecha
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Oh hell no!!!!! Texas prides itself on big things. Besides, we really don't have a lot of liberals in charge by design.

Lonnie

Personally I favor the idea of rolling blackouts. It will wake the fat ass couch potatoes up. It might even motivate some of them do something more constructive with their time, but don't bet the farm on it.

#51 | Posted by RingMaster
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Yeah, like that's any of your business what people do. Oh I forgot who I was talking to, liberals believe they have a say in what people do when they are not working.

Besides this wasn't about conserving electricity as much as a global warming preventative measure which based on hacked emails have absolutely no scientific evidence since they admit to inflating numbers so they can hide the lack of warming.

Lonnie

Lonnie

If RingMaster was in charge there would be a bureaucrat in every room in your house, and he is totaly cool with it.

Talk about a Fascist scary.

LMFAO 90C2CAB, they wouldn't hang out at my house very long before they were running out of the house for their life. I wouldn't do anything to them they'd be running from the wife and the dog. I had a priest refuse to come out to the house. LMFAO.

Lonnie

"Everyone did their part and reduced energy consumption. THEN the energy companies raised their rates stating that since less energy is being used, they were not collecting enough money!"

"Had a similar issue in Colorado. Drought for many years and water board begged everyone to conserve. Water consumption finally dropped 30% so the water board raised rates. "

Definitely the Catch 22.

City of Colo Spgs pegged X percent of growth on borrowing on sales of future water taps, city growth. Economy went kersplat. City Guv went begging hat in hand to the tapxpayers for a property tax increase to keep various and sundry public functions going. Got handed their hat back.

If RingMaster was in charge there would be a bureaucrat in every room in your house, and he is totaly cool with it.

Only in places like California and Texas.

Hawaiians are already pretty self governing on conservation issues. It's the morons from the mainland that need a nanny. They screw up every place they migrate too like Kailua-Kona.

California is hosed.


Their referendum process neuters their politicians to a point where the needed changes simply can't happen.

They'll continue to wallow - they'll likely be propped up by the Dems which will buy them a couple of years, but they will ultimately fail and our national debt will be even bigger as a result of delaying the inevitable via propping up.

IF obama care passes. what will they have to do without when new medicaid money is REQUIRED from the states I BELIEVE after two years......

and is it ironic that the state where most of the tv programs originate from that they are looking at having controls over how large of a set you can have?

While everyone likes to blame nanny politics on the TV issue, the real problem is waste and we all know it, even the most outspoken conservatives, who BTW are the ones crying the loudest as usual. California has a huge population and experienced furious growth before the collapse of the economy (along with Las Vegas, also in deep Kim Chee). Texas has a huge surplus in oil which is the only reason they are not broke. Palin is riding on the same luck in Alaska. It had nothing to do with smarter politics.

California is a mess because it simply cannot compete with other places in the world with gross overpopulation (like India and China) because of the fact that they can't keep industry in the state happy anymore. The taxes are too high, and the utility bills are outrageous.

The resources are now inadequate and there is no money to increase facilities especially in a time when resources are now dwindling world wide. The conservatives are in denial (what's new here?) but that is no solution either. Californians must learn to tighten their belts or they will all be forced to, one way or another. You conservatives can cry all you want but the solution is still only conservation at this point.

I suggest that those who don't like it move to Texas. Aflak surely won't complain. Texans are smart enough to take care of the whole world. Just ask anyone of them.

"outlawing some large plasma TVs "

Since criminals usually have these, it gives the police reasonable cause for search and seizure.

Hey Ring_m how do you like paying that electric bill in Hawaii? At 20 cents per kwh the highest in the country. But, I see you are right, Cali shows a rate of 15 cents right up there with Massachusetts, pretty damn outrageous for a monster powerhouse of an economy, the 7th or 8th largest in the world, to have the same power rate as a little boutique state.

Hey Ring_m how do you like paying that electric bill in Hawaii? At 20 cents per kwh the highest in the country.

The last time I checked the bill it was more like 30 cent a kw. We don't need heating or air conditioning, and water doesn't need to be heated from near freezing, so it's all relative. I wouldn't waste good money of a large screen TV anyway, but I do often keep three computers running. I damned sure wouldn't want a nuke plant just to get cheaper electricity. People got by for thousands of years without any electricity at all. I my self lived off the grid for ten tears. I wish I was now, but I run a wood shop too, and hand tools are definitely out if you want to make a profit in that business.

People got by for thousands of years without any electricity at all.

#67 | Posted by RingMaster

And there were far, far fewer people, they had far less variety of food and entertainment, they worked much harder and longer to obtain what they could for food and shelter, and they lived far shorter lives.

"I my self lived off the grid for ten tears."

What does that mean, you "lived off the grid"? You had no electrically powered devices whatsoever? No car? No bills? All light and heat were via fire?

new medicaid money is REQUIRED from the states I BELIEVE after two years......


heard report yesterday that by 2019 state of california would pay out 6 BIllion MORE on medicaid..

good luck chris

First of all the "State" does not build power plants, utility companies do. I find it hard to believe that 8.1 billion dollars is spent on electricity for plasma tv's. If someone wants to spend the money, let them.

If California and the US for that matter had many more nuke plants electricity wouldn't be as much of a big issue. But since Cali and the like minded white house seem to prefer coal plants to nuclear plants then it will be an issue.

#67 - Thanks for that reply. I did not realize you did not need A/C in Hawaii, that would make a huge difference. But man three computers whoa you are burning up some juice right there.

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