This "war" should have been finished years ago.

Another four brave heros. May god welcome you into his open arms and comfort you.

2003-

desired goal in Afghanistan:

desired end date:

2010-

desired goal in Afghanistan:

desired end date:

it's always nice to have a plan.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

The only thing that's changed is the cheerleaders.

It would be nice if Obama would at least make a decision on this one since it is costing lives. Tell his generals to crash one of his weekly white house rap parties, that may be the only way that they could get him to see them.

I watched Bill Moyers Journal this weekend where he played audiotapes of Johnson speaking about Vietnam with McNamara, Bundy and others. It was depressing as hell to realize that we could basically replace all the Vietnam references with Afghanistan/Iraq references and all the communism references with terrorism references without any difficulty.

Yeah, we learn nothing.

Four more American lives lost while Obama slowly figures out which exit plan he likes best.

Obama has no intentions on doing what it would take to win, therefore, Bring them all home Now.
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Yes, bring them all home now.

bring them home is a tiring catchphrase because we never address the real reasons we send them out in the first place.

as far as i'm concerned, doesn't matter, they'll just go somewhere else in a few years and suck up more lives and taxpayer $$$

You don't mean that people are getting killed in bho's 'just war'?

How is it that the "rich" benifit more from the war in Afagastan?

The more anyone takes care of something you don't want to the less you have to. Isn't it right-wing war-mongering mentality to feel your kids are safe at soccer/karate/band practice now that someone else's are dying to protect them from some terrorist act at the mall or something?

rad, you make no sense at all. A vast majority of the people in the military are conservative, not flaming libs like you.

Yes - Sniper - I believe you are correct "vast majority..." aka fools who believe the same crap you do and can be duped into dying for it, while you and others who give them lip service go to the movies this weekend and wonder what your Thanksgiving day menu will consist of. My point is, when you and/or anyone making more than $200K have more at stake in this war then maybe you will change your tune?

You don't mean that people are getting killed in bho's 'just war'?

#10 | Posted by Sniper

Just as they did in Ike and Nixon's wars against communism. Using your logic, neither Truman or LBJ hold any responsibility for the wars started under them. Right?

I do enjoy reading the comments of the once supportive righties who are now the cut and runner defeaticans and those who supported Bush's endless wars without exit plans now demanding one. Where were you guys in 2001-2008?

Oh yeah, drinking draft-dodger Rush's koolaide...

And Hag-that was pretty depressing. The only difference is LBJ created that war, just as Bush created Iraq and afghanistan. Bush didn't worry about the costs or casualties because he was just doing what God told him to do.

rad, I was drafted into the army. We were fighting LBJ's war which the government wouldn't allow us to win, yet... I am a conservative. What have you done for your country?

I still don't understand why the rich benifit more.

What have you done for your country?

Yes, because that is the only yardstick to measure whether someone has the right of free speech.

Approx 89 days since obama was asked for more troops. The dithere- in-chief still can not decide. You mocked the 'decider' Well, i'd rather have a POTUS who can make a decision.

I do enjoy reading the comments of the once supportive righties who are now the cut and runner defeaticans and those who supported Bush's endless wars without exit plans now demanding one. Where were you guys in 2001-2008?

#16 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-11-23 01:10 PM

And Hag-that was pretty depressing. The only difference is LBJ created that war, just as Bush created Iraq and afghanistan. Bush didn't worry about the costs or casualties because he was just doing what God told him to do.
#16 | Posted by northguy3

Not disputed. The interesting thing was getting to hear that he was looking for a way not to send troops such that he could preserve his job. And look what happened. By 68 he was definitely kicking himself.
The program really humanized Johnson for me. Damn that Moyers.

"Present"

-President Obama

#16 | Posted by northguy3

Um, the right largely wants B.O. to follow the requests of the generals and escalate further.

#20 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Personally, I rather pull out and nuke the place from orbit, only way to be sure.

Personally, I rather pull out and nuke the place from orbit, only way to be sure.
Posted by STIRSUMUP

A Taiwanese associate of mine advocates that very thing. He calls it Operation Green Glass.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Fix a lot of problems...fewer terrorist, cheaper than borrowing the money to pay for it and cut down on global warming. A lot less goats and it will reflect the rays of the sun.

Who the hell else is left to consult with? George C. Fucking Scott?

"Might this explain the dithering?"

"Is Obama really looking to surrender provinces to the Taliban in exchange for a cessation of attacks on our troops?"

Yes, because that is the only yardstick to measure whether someone has the right of free speech.

#18 | Posted by 726

That is a lame statement.

and EVEN ON cnn

they show obama practicing his putting..

But they never give his scores.

Approx 89 days since obama was asked for more troops.

Bush sat on a request for 20,000 more troops for afghanistan for six months and left office instead of supplying the troops. Sucking and blowing on the right...
And we're still waiting for an explanation why Bush the war prezdunce couldn't defeat a small bunch of donkey-riding guys with WW2 vintage weapons. Or those dead-enders in Iraq, either.

Every time a KIA is reported in afghanistan or Iraq everybody who voted for Bush needs to apologize to the next of kin for voting in the worst C-in-C ever. Then again, since no Republican has won a war since Lincoln, it would have been ludicrous to assume Bush wouldn't lose both his wars. It's not like you ever heard of combat KIAs in the mid 1920s or late 40s from WW1 or 2.

Karsai and the taliban have been talking for some time, even while Preident Mission Accomplished was still wasting WH air. Rumor has it, the taliban will be invited to the next loyal jurga. All sides, including the US, Pakistan and NATO, are looking for a face-saving way to end the fighting. Sort of a Peace with Honorable Mention II.

Who the hell else is left to consult with? George C. Fucking Scott?

Maybe he's waiting for advice from the Republican's favorite Sec. Def., Rummy, who is trying to put it into iambic pentameter.

LBJ was inwardly tortured for months on what to do about Vietnam. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. It was the right wing - including Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon - who were screaming we needed to escalate troop levels. LBJ discussed his options with everyone under the sun the thought offered credible opinions for months before finally deciding, after the Gulf of Tonkin incident, to send more troops.

President Obama is being far more careful and considered about what to do in Afghanistan - especially an 'end game' - than the Bush Administration was about starting an unnecessary war in Iraq and ignoring what has become a huge problem in Afghanistan after years of neglect. It could have been so differently good.

Had Bush focused on Afghanistan that country could have been well on it's way to prospering in peace. The Afghani people wanted it, we had a lot of offers of help from the Middle East, the Taliban were on the run in 2001. Bush blew it. Also blew Iraq by not planning an 'end game' or any post invasion plan. It's best to learn from history and not repeat mistakes of the past.

"End game". Look, call it what it is: surrender. We surrendered in Vietnam, surrendered in Lebanon, and we'll surrender Afghanistan. Next time you see someone with a t-shirt with an American flag on it with the caption, "These colors don't run", please remind him that, yes, they do. Obama will call it something else, something clever like "constructive disengagement" or something equally obtuse to convince the TimexWokeDanniGuy's of the world we're not throwing in the towel, and throwing our allies to the wolves. But it'll all mean the same to our friends, and to our enemies.

He is down to 4 options--

Leave

Stay

Bomb Pakistan

uh--ummm--oh crap--can't remember...

Northguy3-You can't blame these four soldiers on Bush so zip it, you sound like a dunce trying to cast OLoudmouth's blame on Bush.

OLoudmouth has their blood on his hands, he and his sicko Demogogs are responsible, he's had plenty of time to have brought them all home, but no he couldn't spend trillions of dollars if he did something as sensible and simple as that, the ssob has to make sure he redistributes the wealth around, he could care less about peoples lives...

Northguy3-You can't blame these four soldiers on Bush so zip it, you sound like a dunce trying to cast OLoudmouth's blame on Bush.

He can't help himself. He is afflicted with an uncontrollable jerking left knee. No amount of common sense seems to help. He is a lost cause. Frank2.5 has the same horrible affliction.

He is down to 4 options--

Leave

Stay

Bomb Pakistan

According to a retired Pak General, Mirza Aslam Baig, the US can't leave Afghanistan until Pakistan wants it to.

And Pakistan wants you to stay. hahahahahahahahahaha

#34 | Posted by rightisright

Um, that was before LBJ increased our commitment in Vietnam. You know, just as I typed. Best to read all of a post before commenting. Richard Nixon, one of the two I mentioned was hollering the loudest about increasing our commitment in Vietnam in 1964 was the one who pulled us o-u-t in the end. Another GOP schmuck who didn't have a clue.

Another GOP schmuck who didn't have a clue.

???

Nixon knew Americans wanted out of Vietnam. He got us out. I'd say he "had a clue". I suppose you would have been happier if that war dragged on since it was a democrat who got us in the deepest. Partianship sure fucks up a person's thinking, doesn't it, timex?

Um, the right largely wants B.O. to follow the requests of the generals and escalate further.

#20 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

You have oversimplified the facts again.

10little o told the generals what the policy was going to be.
2)The general told the little o what he needed to carry out that policy.
3)little o can't seem to make up his mind if that is what he wants to do NOW>

"little o told the generals what the policy was going to be. "

What?!?

The superior officer giving orders to the subordinate officer?

Stop the presses!!!