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Puzzling how the "Get Government Establishment Out of Everything" Crowd seem Obsessed with Getting Religion into the Government Establishment.

It takes a truly tortured mind to be a WingDing now a day ----- and some really flexible "principles"!

"The criticism is based on the U.S. Constitution's guarantee of church-state separation."
Posted by Doc_Sarvis

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. It is nothing more than a political statement often quoted as fact. The Constitution does guarantee the freedom of religion, however.

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The new home of C Street!

The Constitution does guarantee the freedom of religion, however.
.......#4 | Posted by KBM

....and more importantly, freedom FROM religion....

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. It is nothing more than a political statement often quoted as fact. The Constitution does guarantee the freedom of religion, however.
#4 | Posted by KBM

Actually, the separation of church and state derives from the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."

Which is, as has always been the case, open to interpretation. (You will, for example, almost certainly not escape a first-degree murder charge by claiming that obtaining food for the table is part of a religious exercise devoted to the divinely-ordained practice of cannibalism.)

Christians should have their own prison. Imagine how aghast they must be to serve their sentences with the guttural "religions".

Crucify them and save the taxpayers the trouble of feeding them.

It is going to look like the roman coliseum

That would violate the constitution big time.
You can beleive anything you want, but you cannot install it into the fabric of society.

Point of fact, for the government to officially recognise any religion, or to proclaim it as just or acceptable is a breach of the law.
This would be a clear example.
To do so is a subversive act, to willfully undermine the prime law, to establish an unlawful authority, a defined criminal act, within the document.
The tax exempt status is another clear violation.
Requiring publicly supported employees to hold a particular religious beleif, criminal.
Imposing a particular religious beleif, under force of law and sanction, well, that is cause for armed intervention and revolution.

Puzzling how the "Get Government Establishment Out of Everything" Crowd seem Obsessed with Getting Religion into the Government Establishment.

Now if only you could actually find someone who fit into both of those crowds. Oh well. Must be fun arguing against imaginary hypocrites who don't exist.

A prison for American "Christians"? Better be a BIG f-ing prison.

A Christian prison?

Didn't the Romans try sommat like that?

Or is Spud thinking of the Coliseum?

Spud thinks this is a dumb idear.

Putting people in prison just fer being Christians is really, really dum...

Sorry? Wot's that?

No, DNRTA.

* reads article *

Ohhhhh, a prison run by Christians exclusively for Christian inmates replete with mandatory participation in the "Christ centered curriculum".

That's different.

Still dumb tho.

Fer a coupla reasons.

First, the whole "seperation of church and state" thing already pointed out above.

Second, the whole idea of segregation as a solution to anything in the prison system is a dangerous slippery slope.

Too bad.

A prison based around regaining a moral center through religious observance might actually have a greater chance of turning some lives around than the FAILed gang recruitment centers and criminal universities that the state run prisons have currently become.

* deep sigh *

Be Well.

They are all "Christian Prisons" if we characterize them based on who is inside: "christians".

too many converted muslims coming out of prisons i guess.

They are all "Christian Prisons" if we characterize them based on who is inside: "christians".

No, they are incarceration facilities for political entities (government). I daresay the population includes people of virtually all faiths and those of no faith.

"No, they are incarceration facilities for political entities (government). I daresay the population includes people of virtually all faiths and those of no faith"

prisons hold the faithful congregants and high priests of crime, the most highly organized religion of all time.

Seeing as how the bad guys landed in jail by not giving a damn about God anyway, what makes these fools think they are going to get a crowd of pliable murderers and thieves anyway to carry their holy water? The scumbags will be begging to go to heavenly jail just to avoid the just punishment they deserve which is Rev. Bubba and the holy brown eye express.

Remember... Bush said it... it must be true.

Jesus fixes everything.

Aren't Christians supposed to be all good people and law abiding and lovin' Jaysus and adhering to the 10 commandments and doing no wrong? If even if they do wrong, they gets themselves all forgiven no matter the transgression. So what's the point of a Christian prison? Seems it would be empty except for the unnecessary staff.

I daresay the population includes people of virtually all faiths and those of no faith.

Sure, but not in a way reflective of the population at large. Christians represent a higher percentage of inmates than citizens. Jews, atheists, Buddhists and agnostics are SIGNIFIGANTLY less represented in the prison population.

Gay bars are "gay" because it is mostly gays inside. The owner might not necessarily be gay and some of the patrons/employees might just be there for the show, cheap beer, or high-tipping customers. It doesn't need a neon sign and flashing light outside stating, "gay bar here" to formalize the thing.

Same thing with prisons. It is mostly "christians" inside. Prison ministries, regular bible school, and a pretty solid history of "christian" conversion within the gates already make the incarceration industry (and it is a profit making industry) about as "christian" as a Southern Baptist Revival.

"Aren't Christians supposed to be all good people and law abiding and lovin' Jaysus and adhering to the 10 commandments and doing no wrong?"

the 10 commandments are so old testament. the followers of saul have no place for that part of the bible. if they held the OT and the 10 commandments holy you'd think they would also circumsize and not consume pork.

there's only one christian commandment nowadays, the golden rule:

"do unto others that which you think perhaps someday they would do unto you"

Cool, does this also mean we can't have that proposed Muslim prison in Illinois also,

Guess it's back to Gitmo for them.

It's an ill wind that doesn't blow some good I guess.

Cool, does this also mean we can't have that proposed Muslim prison in Illinois also

We should send muslim prisoners to the christian prison, christian prisoners to the muslim prison, and mix the atheists in like chocolate chips in cookie dough. It's one way to have our prison overcrowding problem fix itself.

We should send muslim prisoners to the christian prison, christian prisoners to the muslim prison, and mix the atheists in like chocolate chips in cookie dough. It's one way to have our prison overcrowding problem fix itself.

And send the straights to the gay prison and the gays to the straight prison??

Naww that don't work.

I have an aunt who is a nun who works with some of the most ruthless gangstas in Cali jail. She says about 1 in 5 come around. It is not funded by the state or fed, she does it on her own time, totally volunteering to try to save these guys souls.

She is in her mid 70's and continues to do it despite the fact that the church said she could retire years ago.

Hey, Lisa, instead of parsing scripture all day, maybe you could go to the Wisconsin prisons and try to do the same thing? Ya know? Like a Catholic would????

I have an aunt who is a nun who works with some of the most ruthless gangstas in Cali jail. She says about 1 in 5 come around.

Sounds like a HS teacher I had. He was a priest who once worked with Latino gang bangers in AZ, and he said something similar. He pulled out a picture one day - it was some Latino gangsters and started pointing at the people who were dead or in prison. There were quite a lot of them.

It is not funded by the state or fed, she does it on her own time, totally volunteering to try to save these guys souls.

That's nice of her. Every redeemed thug is one less person who might mow down an innocent bystander during a drive-by. I'm not interested in saving "souls," seeing how there is no reason to believe that they exist. Saving lives is more important. Religion can be a way of doing that.

Booj:

Great story about your aunt!

However, before you begin to insult me, you might want to consider the fact you have no idea what I do for other people and think about this:

Better to look guilty in the eyes of man than in the eyes of God.

Makes you look silly, otherwise.

Especially to God!

BTW...it wouldn't hurt you to actually LEARN some of that Scripture you mock! : )

XOXOXOX

I knew your answer before I wrote it!!

"The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution."

Neither does "corporate personhood" but the present SC still pretends that it does, even the "originalist" Scalia.

I just wonder what Jesus would think about a "Christian Prison."

Especially to God!

BTW...it wouldn't hurt you to actually LEARN some of that Scripture you mock! : )

#28 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-19 02:50 PM |

Fairy tales. Plain and simple.

In a truly Christian prison, I would imagine that if the prisoner was truly sorry for the sins he committed that he would be forgiven?

I'm sure nobody would be upset with a Muslim centred prison. Or a wiccan one...

Why do Xians think Iran is a good role model for government?

Why don't we just shoot them all? At least de-nut them. I can hardly support myself as is much less everyone in prison. If the crime is worth 1 yr or less...chemical castration and time served in a same sex gay halfway house. Longer than a year...just shoot them.

I daresay the population includes people of virtually all faiths and those of no faith.

Sure, but not in a way reflective of the population at large. Christians represent a higher percentage of inmates than citizens. Jews, atheists, Buddhists and agnostics are SIGNIFIGANTLY less represented in the prison population.

Gay bars are "gay" because it is mostly gays inside. The owner might not necessarily be gay and some of the patrons/employees might just be there for the show, cheap beer, or high-tipping customers. It doesn't need a neon sign and flashing light outside stating, "gay bar here" to formalize the thing.

Same thing with prisons. It is mostly "christians" inside. Prison ministries, regular bible school, and a pretty solid history of "christian" conversion within the gates already make the incarceration industry (and it is a profit making industry) about as "christian" as a Southern Baptist Revival.

#22 | Posted by BluSky at 2009-11-19 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like you're saying most "christians" inside are converts after winding up in prison; not before. Can you provide reliable evidence to support the claim that most inside are christians?

That said, at best this proposal for the prison in Oklahoma is well intended but misguided; the product of belief in free will...that a person can choose to follow Christ on his own. The Scripture states that is not possible. Christ himself said that "no man can come to me except my Father draws him."

Considering what I know of Christians and what I know of our prisons, it would seem that the most Christian prison would be the one with the best system for denying that rape and molestation exist within its walls.

BTW...it wouldn't hurt you to actually LEARN some of that Scripture you mock! : )

#28 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-11-19 02:50 PM |

I learned the Craptures. Which is why I mock a lot of them.

Relaxxxxx, people, just take a deep beathe and let's think about this rationally.

What's the worse that can happen? The prisoners will become like catholic priests.

OMG!!!PANIC!!!!!

I LIKES I LIKES. I see nothing wrong with this. I was regularly visited by 2 chaplins every thursday evening 7 through 9 OClock. I enjoyed it and it brought comfort to Me. This is a great idear. Cheers.

Larry

did they touch you, you know, down there?

RADE Please don't delete/Dump Lipz #41 post. I dropped My gatorade in My lap You asshole. That was the funniest thing I have read here in a long time. NO THEY DIDN'T Touch me down there You idgit. My word what kind of Jails do You think they have here in Kansas anyways?? My word. Now I must go change.

Larry

I bet they did.

Wow Lisa. You're the most self-righteous excuse for a christian I've had the misfortune of coming across. False pride oozes out of my monitor when I read your posts.

If we're supposed to "know a tree by its fruit," I'm pretty sure the tree that grew you needs to be chopped the f down.

Cruel and unusual punishment?

"I'm pretty sure the tree that grew you needs to be chopped the f--- down...."

Funny, I somehow think about handsaws every time I read one of your posts. Just saying.

christian fundos and christian sharia.

no different then muslim fundos and muslim sharia.

At least de-nut them.
chemical castration and time served in a same sex gay halfway house.
.......#35 | Posted by Tedly

.....maybe we could just get you to chew their cocks off......

......since you're down there anyways......

Can you provide reliable evidence to support the claim that most inside are christians?

I already have. Check post #15.

84% of inmates are "christians" of some stripe. While atheists and agnostics make up about 12% of the population at large, they comprise less than one quarter of one percent of the prison population.

In other words, if "christians" were to all start acting like atheists we'd be living in a much, much safer world.